So I'm just gonna say it...names/photos without permission

[shefollowsshells]

Every six months or so it seems someone (with obviously only the best of intentions) posts that someone needs help, is lost etc.. etc...

I see nothing wrong with posting such threads BUT I see something very wrong with posting someones picture and their last name in such threads.

These people are not giving permission for us to do such things and I would be furious if someone did this with my name and any picture they wanted to post. It would be so unfair to go zen and walk the Camino only to have this wonderful experience expose your name and picture for every future employer and contact to see...

This really should not be allowed...and I think their picture and name needs to be removed from the thread...

...just saying...
I have sent this to the mods but posting here so we can all think about this some before we go doing this...

 

[tploomis]

In my case I cannot imagine friends or relatives reporting me lost, whether I had checked in with them or not. However, if somebody is likely in need of help from the point of view of friends and family, what good does it do to post a missing persons thread without give the person's name or picture? I suggest that if you have jumpy friends and relatives, you let them know before your trip that you do not intend to be checking in with them frequently and you do not want them posting missing person threads.

 

[Bajaracer]

How would you find a missing person if you don't have their name and a picture of them? That's not much to go off of, I'm sure the local authorities would need that information before they can even begin to start looking for them.
A lot of resources were used in locating this person, Irish media, Gardai, Irish Department of Foreign Affairs, French Consulate, French Gendarmerie, and the Spanish Guardia Civil.
It's fine to go zen while on the Camino, but first make a travel plan with pertinent information and leave it with family and or friends back home, make some prior arrangements to those you leave behind at home if you want to be contacted or not, it is unfair to them if you don't.

Here is a travel plan form to fill out to leave with those you leave behind.
https://www.adventuresmart.ca/images/NSS_AdventureSmart-Brochure_TP_En-c.pdf

 

[MickMac]

In my case I cannot imagine friends or relatives reporting me lost, whether I had checked in with them or not. However, if somebody is likely in need of help from the point of view of friends and family, what good does it do to post a missing persons thread without give the person's name or picture? I suggest that if you have jumpy friends and relatives, you let them know before your trip that you do not intend to be checking in with them frequently and you do not want them posting missing person threads.

My family told me to get lost

 

[Finisterre]

There is a great big world out there that we cannot control.

 

[michryan]

My family told me to get lost

Oh poor you MickMac. Oh well. Just go walkabout on one of those long trails called the camino and get lost with all the rest of us pilgrims.

 

[Finisterre]

Actually the embarrassment of the poor man is tickling me considerably.

I must be bad!

It is like being a teenager, social media are infantilising us all. I am just glad it is a recent phenomena and my mum didn't see my orange and blue hair in the seventies. I would have been cut out of the will.

 

[Deleted member 3000]

All the photos and text were from a public Facebook page, so there was no privacy or copyright problem.

The Forum holds pity parties all the time for ill- prepared pilgrims who fail. One more never hurts!

 

[Olivares]

The "zen" on the original post seems to be lost as well.... . Sorry, but I have only seen pictures posted that have been ALREADY publicly distributed by relatives and ASKED to disseminate in a plea and hope to get some info. I see absolutely nothing wrong, would encourage people to continue doing so. If the people who got lost mind, THEY are the ones who should complain about it. Doubt they would, though....

 

[JoeNYC]

The "zen" on the original post seems to be lost as well.... . Sorry, but I have only seen pictures posted that have been ALREADY publicly distributed by relatives and ASKED to disseminate in a plea and hope to get some info. I see absolutely nothing wrong, would encourage people to continue doing so. If the people who got lost mind, THEY are the ones who should complain about it. Doubt they would, though....

I agree with this. Besides, if the poor lost soul has a problem with the postings, they can always contact the mods and have the thread scrubbed of photos and name.

 

[xin loi]

I met several people on the Camino in May/June who said they intended to NOT have ANY contact with people back home but were going to wander the Camino all summer. Everyone who said that was a woman.

 

[Scott Sweeney]

It seemed like members on APOC page got somewhat wrapped up in the missing person situation. And then when good news came through it was like this huge hug fest going on with each other. I also felt it was somewhat out of place to inject themselves into the situation on social media 3000 miles away.

It was really the last I could take, I left the group.

 

[Margaret Perry]

My family told me to get lost

That's funny.

 

[William Marques]

I have tried to delete all the photos I could find and remove his name where possible, if I have missed any please tell me. There is one attachment where I have asked the poster to remove the photo as I cannot do it myself.

 

[Olivares]

It seemed like members on APOC page....... It was really the last I could take, I left the group.

I lasted a week as a member of that group/page . My "bye-bye" point was when everybody got super-excited for this $50 rain coat in electric blue from this fancy outlet. Everybody had to have it, it seemed. When I cheered on about my $6 poncho from Walt-Mart and got frozen out I knew it was time to leave this crowd behind......

 

[Bajaracer]

It seemed like members on APOC page got somewhat wrapped up in the missing person situation. And then when good news came through it was like this huge hug fest going on with each other. I also felt it was somewhat out of place to inject themselves into the situation on social media 3000 miles away.

It was really the last I could take, I left the group.

I got into a heated exchange by aunt of the missing pilgrim on the APOC page, I sure wasn't a part of the huge hug fest going on, I explained how numerous resources were used for someone who didn't need it. Like I said before, there are family and friends at home when you go on the Camino that are concerned about you, make arrangements with them before you leave, if you don't want to be contacted, schedule some form of occasional contact if wanted or needed.

 

[MickMac]

I have tried to delete all the photos I could find and remove his name where possible, if I have missed any please tell me. There is one attachment where I have asked the poster to remove the photo as I cannot do it myself.

Every Irish news media posted his photo why delete this ????

 

[Magwood]

I am probably missing something very obvious......but what is APOC?

 

[bystander]

I am probably missing something very obvious......but what is APOC?

I was thinking of asking the same question!

 

[Bajaracer]

American Pilgrims on the Camino FB page, I got into in it with the "temporary missing" pilgrim's aunt.

 

[bystander]

American Pilgrims on the Camino FB page, I got into in it with the "temporary missing" pilgrim's aunt.

Thank you, Bajaracer, for the explanation.

 

[Rebekah Scott]

Somehow I don't feel comfortable trashing another Camino website on this one. The APOC people have built a community that suits their needs. If some of us find it is not to our tastes, we don't have to hang out there.

Camino online communities do seem to suffer from a bit of overheating when stressful things are going on. I think it is a mix of nostalgic longing, fellow-feeling, compassionate spirits, and Too Much Information... Former pilgrims feel great brotherhood with those on the road. They feel like the camino is a part of them now, and they want to take part, even vicariously. Those who have not walked are often in the "fascination stage," soaking up all the camino lore they can...This makes for an audience with its heart wide open, dying for the next update.
And sometimes, people with Ego Needs step into that vacuum and put on various dramatic performances. It is an internet phenomenon worthy of further study!
When a pilgrim goes missing or an accident or crime occurs on the trail, there is a well-established network that carries the news fast and effectively from place to place along the trail. I believe it predates the internet by many years. I do not think a "Pilgrim Phone Home" appeal needs to become international news, but tell that to the kind hearts who enjoy a little "camino flutter" in the comfort of rural New Zealand or urban Idaho!

 

[CaptBuddy]

It seemed like members on APOC page got somewhat wrapped up in the missing person situation. And then when good news came through it was like this huge hug fest going on with each other. I also felt it was somewhat out of place to inject themselves into the situation on social media 3000 miles away.

It was really the last I could take, I left the group.

I beat you out the door by 3 months.

 

[Bajaracer]

I beat you out the door by 3 months.

I just left the group.

 

[shefollowsshells]

All the photos and text were from a public Facebook page, so there was no privacy or copyright problem.

The Forum holds pity parties all the time for ill- prepared pilgrims who fail. One more never hurts!

No one suggested this had anything to do with "copy right"...and I do not think this forum "all the time" post pics of pilgrims and their last name ...
and honestly I don't think it matters if there are a million facebook users posting his picture with a plea to help him...I assume they are not pilgrims (maybe I am wrong)...
Maybe it is just me...but I feel like there is an appreciation that we pilgrims share together , an understanding of sorts , an understanding that a pilgrim might not be wanting to be found for a few days or the whole 5 weeks. I'm not the least bit suprised that there are hundreds of facebook pages with a "lost" pilgrim's name and picture...BUT we are pilgrims...and I think the last thing we should do is post pictures of some pilgrim who we are pretty certain is not lost and certainly should not print someones last name without THEIR permission.

 

[CaptBuddy]

I am probably missing something very obvious......but what is APOC?

It is much more than a FB group.
APOC is an internationally affiliated Camino group.
http://www.americanpilgrims.com/
Lots of great people, lots of good information and support.

 

[Bajaracer]

It is much more than a FB group.
APOC is an internationally affiliated Camino group.
http://www.americanpilgrims.com/
Lots of great people, lots of good information and support.

I agree that it's a great Camino group that provide a great service to Pilgrims.
Their FB page, not so much, I dropped myself from their FB page today.

 

[grayland]

It may be appropriate to close this thread along with the many others on the subject of the non-missing pilgrim.

The critical comments on another pilgrim site is probably not our best foot forward.