Backpack recommendations

[StepheninDC]

I'm looking at backpacks for my upcoming (and first) Camino, which is in June 2017. I've been to several stores and tried on several packs, about 10 so far. I'm looking for recommendations from other peregrinos. So far I've been impressed with two models in particular, because of the way they sit on my hips and shoulders. Both models are from Osprey. They are:

Manta AG 36
Kestrel 38

I'm 5'4" and weigh 135 lbs, so I'm looking at packs with capacity less than 40L. (which I keep having to point out to sales staff trying to sell me 60L packs!) I know from reading here and trying things on that different packs feel different to everyone, but I'm trying to get some advice on what to look for. For instance, on me, the Manta AG sits nicely on the hips, but yesterday when I tried one on for the second time, the sternum strap felt very tight and the length was maxed out-maybe I need to adjust the height? The Kestrel did better in that regard, but it has fewer pockets and the back of it has less airflow (key since I'll be in Spain when it's hot). I'm also really interested in two additional models, the Stratos 34 and the Exos 38, but no stores near me have them in stock. I don't want to purchase something sight unseen over the internet and have to return it later. I have read good things about other backpack manufacturers on here, but a lot of them seem to be only available in the UK, Australia or NZ. Anyway, all recommendations or suggestions cheerfully received!

 

[C clearly]

yesterday when I tried one on for the second time, the sternum strap felt very tight and the length was maxed out-maybe I need to adjust the height?

The height adjustment can be very important.

You said "the length was maxed out..." Do you mean the length of the sternum strap? The placement of the strap (up and down) may be adjustable as well so it fits across a different place on your chest.

You should try the backpack with layers that you might be wearing often.

Almost certainly you will have to make tradeoffs. Don't trade comfort for pockets!

 

[Bob Hummel]

Hello StepheninDC!
I too am doing my first Camino this Spring. I'm starting at the end of April.
I have tried several packs so far, and I believe I will be going with the Osprey Exos 48.
At 62 years old, I think I will appreciate the weight of the Exos!
I started with the Exos 58, but exchanged it for the 48, as I do not want to be tempted to take too much gear!
I was also looking at the Atmos and Kestrel models. Both seem like very good packs and both were very comfortable, perhaps even slightly more comfortable than the Exos. But they also weigh significantly more.
I'm still testing the Exos 48 on training hikes. Other than the waist belt not wrapping all the way around the front of my hips, I'm liking this pack. I will just need to keep it light.
Good luck!
Bob

 

[StepheninDC]

The height adjustment can be very important.

You said "the length was maxed out..." Do you mean the length of the sternum strap? The placement of the strap (up and down) may be adjustable as well so it fits across a different place on your chest.

>> Yes, the sternum strap length. I guess I was assuming it needed to be across the pectoral muscles, which is the widest part of my chest. The strap does adjust downward, maybe I'll try it that way.

You should try the backpack with layers that you might be wearing often.

>> I assume you mean layers of clothing? If so, yes, I agree. I want to do some more trying on wearing what I'll have on during the hike, for sure.

Almost certainly you will have to make tradeoffs. Don't trade comfort for pockets!

>> Agreed! I know I will have to make some tradeoffs. I guess I was hoping to find the *perfect* backpack, but maybe such a thing doesn't exist. The advice I've been getting from retailers is to have the belt sit right around the hip area so the weight mostly sits there. That's why I liked the two packs I mentioned. They seemed to do a good job on that.

 

[Deleted member 43985]

I have an Atmosphere AG 50L which I love for the harness support however because of the way it wraps around you so tightly it really does increase the heat on your body. So much so, I'd revert to my old Atmos with the plain Airspeed back for a warm weather Camino. This may not be an issue for you but could be something to consider.

Also, did the salesperson at your store fit you with Osprey's fitting guide? As mentioned above, getting the correct size pack is really important and should allow all straps to fit properly. I'm suspicious that your sternum strap doesn't fit (based only on your description of yourself not including anything about being barrel chested!) which certainly could mean a wrong pack size or at the minimum improperly adjustments.

Good luck with your process and Buen Camino!

 

[onwayhome]

I'm looking at backpacks for my upcoming (and first) Camino, which is in June 2017. I've been to several stores and tried on several packs, about 10 so far. I'm looking for recommendations from other peregrinos. So far I've been impressed with two models in particular, because of the way they sit on my hips and shoulders. Both models are from Osprey. They are:

Manta AG 36
Kestrel 38

I'm 5'4" and weigh 135 lbs, so I'm looking at packs with capacity less than 40L. (which I keep having to point out to sales staff trying to sell me 60L packs!) I know from reading here and trying things on that different packs feel different to everyone, but I'm trying to get some advice on what to look for. For instance, on me, the Manta AG sits nicely on the hips, but yesterday when I tried one on for the second time, the sternum strap felt very tight and the length was maxed out-maybe I need to adjust the height? The Kestrel did better in that regard, but it has fewer pockets and the back of it has less airflow (key since I'll be in Spain when it's hot). I'm also really interested in two additional models, the Stratos 34 and the Exos 38, but no stores near me have them in stock. I don't want to purchase something sight unseen over the internet and have to return it later. I have read good things about other backpack manufacturers on here, but a lot of them seem to be only available in the UK, Australia or NZ. Anyway, all recommendations or suggestions cheerfully received!

Hi Stephen, think you are wise to try on packs, I found a great variation in sizing and comfort. Went for the Exos 48 because it was light and a good fit. It doesn't look very substantial but has held up to life on the camino and airport baggage handling very well. The back airflow design is definitely worth considering for hot weather walking.

 

[poogeyejr]

Hello StepheninDC!
I'm still testing the Exos 48 on training hikes. Other than the waist belt not wrapping all the way around the front of my hips, I'm liking this pack. I will just need to keep it light.

Light is the key! Bob is right and also, he is hiking with his pack before he leaves, that is a great idea!

I bought a pack for my first camino and realized 50km in that it didn't fit and after 75km I hopped on a bus and bought a new pack at the next big city - 200Euros unexpected expense but so glad I changed.
I also was carrying far too much 30lbs and sometimes 34lbs with full water and food. So I shed weight in my pack for the first 3 weeks.

I had trained with the first pack - not fully packed (much lighter) and didn't have issues until I had been walking for a few days.

Kathy

 

[ShellsG]

One small suggestion. I have had several backpacks and I struggled with getting some to fit until I had a very knowledgable person show me how to fit the pack properly, which straps to adjust first when putting it on, which straps to never adjust once it has fit me well. Along the Camino last year I ran into lots of people that had no idea what some of the straps adjusted and how it was important to how the backpack was going to fit and move. The person at your local REI may seem to be the best person but often they are just assigned that area in the store and may have no expertise. There are even some youtube videos out that give very good step by step instructions. This may help you find a better backpack.

 

[kaixo]

I guess I was hoping to find the *perfect* backpack, but maybe such a thing doesn't exist.

Keep looking @StepheninDC, the right pack is out there.
This is the second most important item for your camino and you want it to be comfortable.

I met an Irish girl who had bruised hips and shoulders from her "shit pack" (her words), who walked in to Logroño near tears and swearing, and promptly plunked down a large sum of money for a new pack. She was so happy she basically skipped her way out of town.

I strongly agree with previous posters...get fitted by a professional. Try on packs loaded with weight. You'll know it when you find the "perfect" pack for you. Happy shopping.

 

[StepheninDC]

One small suggestion. I have had several backpacks and I struggled with getting some to fit until I had a very knowledgable person show me how to fit the pack properly, which straps to adjust first when putting it on, which straps to never adjust once it has fit me well. Along the Camino last year I ran into lots of people that had no idea what some of the straps adjusted and how it was important to how the backpack was going to fit and move. The person at your local REI may seem to be the best person but often they are just assigned that area in the store and may have no expertise. There are even some youtube videos out that give very good step by step instructions. This may help you find a better backpack.

>>The videos are a great idea, thanks. I have seen some videos online, but they've mostly been either comparison videos where they show you the differences and similarities between two models by the same company, or they're videos posted by people who've recently bought them and are essentially doing a review of the pack. I'll be on the lookout for good advice on how to wear them properly.

Keep looking @StepheninDC, the right pack is out there.
This is the second most important item for your camino and you want it to be comfortable.

I met an Irish girl who had bruised hips and shoulders from her "shit pack" (her words), who walked in to Logroño near tears and swearing, and promptly plunked down a large sum of money for a new pack. She was so happy she basically skipped her way out of town.

I strongly agree with previous posters...get fitted by a professional. Try on packs loaded with weight. You'll know it when you find the "perfect" pack for you. Happy shopping.

>>Thank you! Yes, I've only been testing the packs with loads in them (those little pillow-type inserts with beans or rice in them to simulate an actual load). I would like to *think* that I'll know it when I find it, but you don't know me and how picky I am. From what I can glean, I'm going to feel some weight on my back no matter what. I've gotten semi-conflicting advice on the shoulder straps. One salesperson said there should be a small gap between my shoulder and the shoulder strap so it doesn't rub too much. Another said a gap means the pack is pulling away and will cause me to tip backwards. Maybe there's a happy medium in there somewhere. Also, I really like the idea of having zippered pockets in the hip belt, but it seems hard to open/close the zipper when the pack is on and I'm strapped in.

@jozero mentioned having the person do a fitting based on Osprey's fitting guide. I'm not sure, to be honest. I'll be going back to that location at some point and will verify that. The person at the first REI store I went to seemed very knowledgeable, he wasn't just someone who happened to be in that part of the store when I came in.

 

[Bob Hummel]

Light is the key! Bob is right and also, he is hiking with his pack before he leaves, that is a great idea!

I bought a pack for my first camino and realized 50km in that it didn't fit and after 75km I hopped on a bus and bought a new pack at the next big city - 200Euros unexpected expense but so glad I changed.
I also was carrying far too much 30lbs and sometimes 34lbs with full water and food. So I shed weight in my pack for the first 3 weeks.

I had trained with the first pack - not fully packed (much lighter) and didn't have issues until I had been walking for a few days.

Kathy

Hi Kathy!
I am trying to limit the weight to 15 lbs. not counting water.
The training I am doing is with the pack full, but the longest I have gone so far is 4 hrs. I was and am concerned about how it will feel after multiple all days.
But, like you, worst case scenario, I figure I can always buy another pack along the Way.
Bob

 

[Bob Hummel]

>>The videos are a great idea, thanks. I have seen some videos online, but they've mostly been either comparison videos where they show you the differences and similarities between two models by the same company, or they're videos posted by people who've recently bought them and are essentially doing a review of the pack. I'll be on the lookout for good advice on how to wear them properly.



>>Thank you! Yes, I've only been testing the packs with loads in them (those little pillow-type inserts with beans or rice in them to simulate an actual load). I would like to *think* that I'll know it when I find it, but you don't know me and how picky I am. From what I can glean, I'm going to feel some weight on my back no matter what. I've gotten semi-conflicting advice on the shoulder straps. One salesperson said there should be a small gap between my shoulder and the shoulder strap so it doesn't rub too much. Another said a gap means the pack is pulling away and will cause me to tip backwards. Maybe there's a happy medium in there somewhere. Also, I really like the idea of having zippered pockets in the hip belt, but it seems hard to open/close the zipper when the pack is on and I'm strapped in.

@jozero mentioned having the person do a fitting based on Osprey's fitting guide. I'm not sure, to be honest. I'll be going back to that location at some point and will verify that. The person at the first REI store I went to seemed very knowledgeable, he wasn't just someone who happened to be in that part of the store when I came in.

I originally also had gaps between my straps and shoulders. I exchanged my pack with a "large" frame, to one with a "medium" frame. Now the straps follow the contours on my shoulders better. However, the hip belt padding now only goes to the center of my side. I don't think this is a big deal. The pack is still comfortable.
Bob

 

[ShellsG]

If the weight is on your hips, as it should be, you should be able to create a very small gap on your shoulders.

 

[Kiwi-d]

I'm the same height as you, and loved my Deuter pack. I tried every variant of Osprey available, but found them desperately uncomfortable for me, although I loved their features. The staff member I finally bought the Deuter from pointed out that I'm very short from underarm to waist, and I needed a pack that could accommodate that. The Deuter pack can be adjusted for different body lengths, so I'd suggest this is one feature to take into consideration.

 

[Mark Lee]

Those both look like good quality packs. I'm sure either would be a great choice.
More important than the pack you carry, is what you carry in it. A pack can be really good, but if you carry too much stuff it's a moot point.
I've been looking at the Deuter brand packs of that same size. They look pretty good to me.

 

[StepheninDC]

Hi, @Mark Lee. I've read a lot of your posts and have gained a lot of insight from them, so thank you! Yes, the weight is always on my mind (as well as my back). I'm really trying to keep it below 14 lbs max.

 

[james walter purdum iv]

I have an Atmosphere AG 50L which I love for the harness support however because of the way it wraps around you so tightly it really does increase the heat on your body. So much so, I'd revert to my old Atmos with the plain Airspeed back for a warm weather Camino. This may not be an issue for you but could be something to consider.

Also, did the salesperson at your store fit you with Osprey's fitting guide? As mentioned above, getting the correct size pack is really important and should allow all straps to fit properly. I'm suspicious that your sternum strap doesn't fit (based only on your description of yourself not including anything about being barrel chested!) which certainly could mean a wrong pack size or at the minimum improperly adjustments.

Good luck with your process and Buen Camino!

I used the 50l ag osprey as well. Loved it. I didn't use the extra room for stuff I didn't need so it was so easy to get my essentials out and see what they were rather than everything smashed into a smaller pack. Plus in Santiago it was filled with a few gifts for home. Great fit and very light.

 

[Mark Lee]

Hi, @Mark Lee. I've read a lot of your posts and have gained a lot of insight from them, so thank you! Yes, the weight is always on my mind (as well as my back). I'm really trying to keep it below 14 lbs max.

The pack I used on my last couple of CF's is a 48L REI. Great pack. Well made and durable as an anvil, but a bit too much capacity for me. I never packed it 100%. Looks a bit like a deflated football like that, ha ha. I could easily get away with a 35-38L pack I think.

 

[Kanga]

And when you are desperate and want something that is really comfortable (although expensive) try an Aarn pack. Although I'm not sure who sells them in the US.

 

[kaixo]

I'm a Deuter fan too.
They weigh more than the Osprey but absolutely works best for me.

 

[Elizabeth Cheung]

I'm the same height as you, and loved my Deuter pack. I tried every variant of Osprey available, but found them desperately uncomfortable for me, although I loved their features. The staff member I finally bought the Deuter from pointed out that I'm very short from underarm to waist, and I needed a pack that could accommodate that. The Deuter pack can be adjusted for different body lengths, so I'd suggest this is one feature to take into consideration.

I have a Deuter as well and that pack is AMAZING. Best. Pack. Ever.

 

[StepheninDC]

And when you are desperate and want something that is really comfortable (although expensive) try an Aarn pack. Although I'm not sure who sells them in the US.

Yes, I saw your glowing reviews of them but when I checked their website, there were no US distributors listed.

 

[StepheninDC]

I'm a Deuter fan too.
They weigh more than the Osprey but absolutely works best for me.

I have a Deuter as well and that pack is AMAZING. Best. Pack. Ever.

What makes them so good, in your opinion? What kind of body types are they suited for? I definitely want to try them out.

 

[dougfitz]

I have a Deuter as well and that pack is AMAZING. Best. Pack. Ever.

I have used packs from several manufacturers over the years, and my current preferred day and Camino packs are both made by Deuter. They are slightly heavier than some other makes for their volume, but are designed to take much more of a pounding. If you are only going to use the pack on the Camino, that might not be an advantage, but it certainly is if you are also doing more demanding activities.

 

[trecile]

I have a Marmot Graviton 36 women's pack, and I really like it. It weighs just about 1 kg, and is a panel loading pack. It's easy to open just the top, just the bottom or just the side. Or you can unzip the whole thing suitcase style. It has a "trampoline" style back to allow for airflow. I also like the the compression straps go under the outer pockets, so you can access a water bottle, etc., without loosening the straps.

 

[Elizabeth Cheung]

What makes them so good, in your opinion? What kind of body types are they suited for? I definitely want to try them out.

I love the frame. Great back support and ventilation. Also the hip and shoulder straps are well designed, padded and very comfortable. Makes carrying weight so much more pleasant. Also love the design for packing gear. Great external and internal pockets. Front access to my stuff as well as through the top like a traditional pack. I use mine for trekking trips and it stores and carries gear like a dream. Mine is a women's pack but I have few guy friends who also use the same pack due to size (40 + 10 L whereas the men's are 50+. They are both around 5'8 and athletic/slim build. Weighs 1.7 kg - the pack not the dudes! I think the next smaller for men is 30 or 35 which may or may not be enough for a Camino.

 

[kaixo]

The Deuter just fits me best. I use a 34L for camino and I have a 60+10L for backpacking.
I agree with Elizabeth...

I love the frame. Great back support and ventilation. Also the hip and shoulder straps are well designed, padded and very comfortable. Makes carrying weight so much more pleasant. Also love the design for packing gear. Great external and internal pockets. Front access to my stuff as well as through the top like a traditional pack. I use mine for trekking trips and it stores and carries gear like a dream.

I'm 5'8", weigh 125 lbs, and I'm long wasted (quite a different body type from @StepheninDC and @Kiwi-d).
Deuter makes the perfect pack for me!

 

[StepheninDC]

Just back home after a choir rehearsal and a trip to another REI store. Tried on 4 different packs, 3 Ospreys (Exos 58, Kestrel 38, and the Manta 36 again), as well as a Deuter ACT 50+10. Definitely liked the Deuter for a lot of reasons, especially the adjustable torso. I also liked how you can open the top and see all the way down into the pack. My favorite, though, is still the Osprey Manta 36. It has an anti-gravity suspension that does what they claim. I had 10lbs loaded in there and I felt like I had no weight on me at all. The shoulder straps fit snugly but not overly so. And the sternum strap fit just right (although you can adjust it up and down) Really like that pack!

 

[rometimed]

Just back home after a choir rehearsal and a trip to another REI store. Tried on 4 different packs, 3 Ospreys (Exos 58, Kestrel 38, and the Manta 36 again), as well as a Deuter ACT 50+10. Definitely liked the Deuter for a lot of reasons, especially the adjustable torso. I also liked how you can open the top and see all the way down into the pack. My favorite, though, is still the Osprey Manta 36. It has an anti-gravity suspension that does what they claim. I had 10lbs loaded in there and I felt like I had no weight on me at all. The shoulder straps fit snugly but not overly so. And the sternum strap fit just right (although you can adjust it up and down) Really like that pack!

I used a Deuter AC 50+10 when I did the Camino, however I was walking for 6 months all over Europe straight and brought a tent.

If you're just doing the Camino you do not at all need that much space and a Deauter has to be checked on airlines. I had no problem with this but it does cost extra sometimes.

The thing I loved the most on the Deuter was the pockets on the belt strap that made it so I could have quick access to my smartphone in one and my wallet in the other + the head pad pocket for quick access to my Credential and Map.

One thing on the Camino is there's sooooo many places for accommodation for so cheap that it's not a giant worry ... unlike other long walks.

 

[linkster]

I went to an REI near my brother's house, and they only had the Exos 58. I asked them to get one in the store so that I could test fit it. They did with no problem. I am planning on hiking with the Exos 48. You do have to make some compromises with a light pack. They just seem less durable than a traditional backpack. Top loading vs. front loading (eliminates zippers and reduces malfunction). I want to KISS my pack (keep it simple stupid). I chose the 48 because the dimension were not that much different (mostly depth), and I wanted to re purpose for other hikes. Like Mark said, it will most likely need to be cinched to keep the load tight.

• Hip belt - The hip belt does not wrap all the way around as stated above, but it really just needs to transfer the weight to your hips. This is done primarily on the back and sides of your hips, and not in the front (waist).
• Torso length - The torso length is not adjustable. This is where having someone fit you if you do not know how is helpful. There are some youtube videos on how to fit a pack. Some of my other lightweight packs have a frame sheet etc. to adjust the torso length.
• Shoulder straps - a little space with or without weight seems ok, but not a lot. Could the shoulder straps touch your shoulders when they where cinched down?
• Sternum strap - the sternum strap should be able to be cinched down. It helps to keep the weight against your back.

It is important to be able to adjust the pack while hiking to transition the weight to different parts of your body to give other parts a rest if needed. I usually have my weight belt reasonably tight, so that it transfers most of the weight to my legs and not my back. However, sometimes you might want to give them a break and transfer the weight to your back. I will tighten the shoulder straps (usually front) to transfer the weight to my shoulders, and loosen the hip belt a bit. This back and forth can work wonders over a long day. I also use the shoulder straps (top load lifters) when I ascend or descend. I usually loosen the load lifters when I ascend, so that pack stays a little more vertical as I bend forward at the waist. I usually keep the side stabilizer straps (pack to hip belt) snug. I adjust throughout the day to reduce fatigue. It seems pretty natural after a while.

My Granite Gear Blaze AC 60 is still my favorite pack, but not for the Camino.

 

[kaixo]

@rometimed makes a good point, a larger pack needs to be checked on airlines. I carried the Deuter 34L on the plane with me. Very simple and nice to have all my gear with me. May be something to consider before you purchase a pack.
You said you tried the Deuter ACT 50+10L but honestly that's really too big for camino (imho).
Again, happy shopping.

 

[Mark Lee]

Just back home after a choir rehearsal and a trip to another REI store. Tried on 4 different packs, 3 Ospreys (Exos 58, Kestrel 38, and the Manta 36 again), as well as a Deuter ACT 50+10. Definitely liked the Deuter for a lot of reasons, especially the adjustable torso. I also liked how you can open the top and see all the way down into the pack. My favorite, though, is still the Osprey Manta 36. It has an anti-gravity suspension that does what they claim. I had 10lbs loaded in there and I felt like I had no weight on me at all. The shoulder straps fit snugly but not overly so. And the sternum strap fit just right (although you can adjust it up and down) Really like that pack!

Looks like you got yourself a winner with that Osprey Manta 36. That looks like a good pack and I'm sure it will serve you well. Since it fits you so well I'd go with it. The Camino is not rough on gear at all, and hardly technical. A well made pack like that will last you for years. Another good thing is that is comes with a rain cover and it looks like it would easily stow on as carry-on luggage for a flight. Something I always try to do on the way to a Camino. The way back home? Aah, not so much. Ha ha.

 

[HikeTall]

Hey @StepheninDC. I'm an Osprey guy as well. The Manta AG 36 is a great pack. It's like a mini version of the larger Osprey Atmos AG 50 which I love. Super comfy & makes the weight in your pack just disappear. Good choice.

If you're still looking tho... You might want to check out these other packs by Osprey as well...

1)Talon 33...very light with an adjustable torso. Hugs your back closely. They also make a 44L that has a light aluminum frame which is more comfy & stable for heavier loads.

2)Stratos 34...a panel loader with a mesh back panel that lets air flow between your pack & your back. It's heavier than the Talon but it's straps are padded and super comfy. They also make a Stratos 36 which is a top loader if you prefer that style. It also comes with a rain cover like the Manta does.

Anyway...whatever you choose....Bien Camino!

 

[kaixo]

We have two posts running about backpacks. Read more here. https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/posts/469061/
The post was started in January of this year and has 2 pages of worthwhile info.

 

[cecelia]

I'm looking at backpacks for my upcoming (and first) Camino, which is in June 2017. I've been to several stores and tried on several packs, about 10 so far. I'm looking for recommendations from other peregrinos. So far I've been impressed with two models in particular, because of the way they sit on my hips and shoulders. Both models are from Osprey. ....

Hi StepheninDC,
Well you're doing the right thing that's for sure - try them on, try them on, try them on! The Osprey has been very popular for sure and I had one for my last camino. BUT what I found with it is that I couldn't get the straps at the tops of the shoulder to pull tightly enough so I had the slight forward lean for my trip. I gave the darned thing away as soon as I got home! I did notice that many other people had the same problem - sometimes without even noticing it. You should not have to lean forward to balance the weight.

I'm going to check out the Aarn backpack from New Zealand if I can find a local distributor (now has distributors in the US and, I think Canada). Those are the ones that carry some of the weight in front of the body. I met two people on the camino who had them and loved them, but as you said, you need to try it on for yourself. Their website is here: http://www.aarnpacks.com/ and is definitely worth checking out.

And I'd like to add my support to what others have said - get a professional to show you exactly how they should fit (even if it's a video). It makes a HUGE difference if your backpack fits right. My first one was perfect and my back was actually more comfortable with it on than off. But the airline wrecked it, unfortunately.

 

[dougfitz]

You should not have to lean forward to balance the weight.

It is mechanically impossible to alter your centre of gravity by putting a pack on your back and not have to lean forward a little to bring your altered centre of gravity back within your walking balance zone. Reducing the amount of the lean required is important, but it cannot be eliminated entirely unless you move a substantial part of your load in front of your body, and I see you are looking at Aarn packs which is one way of doing this. The other thing to think about is how you place items in your pack to reduce the distance of the centre of gravity of the pack from your body.

 

[StepheninDC]

I went to an REI near my brother's house, and they only had the Exos 58. I asked them to get one in the store so that I could test fit it. They did with no problem. I am planning on hiking with the Exos 48. You do have to make some compromises with a light pack. They just seem less durable than a traditional backpack. Top loading vs. front loading (eliminates zippers and reduces malfunction). I want to KISS my pack (keep it simple stupid). I chose the 48 because the dimension were not that much different (mostly depth), and I wanted to re purpose for other hikes. Like Mark said, it will most likely need to be cinched to keep the load tight.

• Hip belt - The hip belt does not wrap all the way around as stated above, but it really just needs to transfer the weight to your hips. This is done primarily on the back and sides of your hips, and not in the front (waist).
• Torso length - The torso length is not adjustable. This is where having someone fit you if you do not know how is helpful. There are some youtube videos on how to fit a pack. Some of my other lightweight packs have a frame sheet etc. to adjust the torso length.
• Shoulder straps - a little space with or without weight seems ok, but not a lot. Could the shoulder straps touch your shoulders when they where cinched down?
• Sternum strap - the sternum strap should be able to be cinched down. It helps to keep the weight against your back.

It is important to be able to adjust the pack while hiking to transition the weight to different parts of your body to give other parts a rest if needed. I usually have my weight belt reasonably tight, so that it transfers most of the weight to my legs and not my back. However, sometimes you might want to give them a break and transfer the weight to your back. I will tighten the shoulder straps (usually front) to transfer the weight to my shoulders, and loosen the hip belt a bit. This back and forth can work wonders over a long day. I also use the shoulder straps (top load lifters) when I ascend or descend. I usually loosen the load lifters when I ascend, so that pack stays a little more vertical as I bend forward at the waist. I usually keep the side stabilizer straps (pack to hip belt) snug. I adjust throughout the day to reduce fatigue. It seems pretty natural after a while.

My Granite Gear Blaze AC 60 is still my favorite pack, but not for the Camino.

Thank you so much, @linkster, I appreciate the detail, very much. I am aware of what you're talking about, and during my shopping visits, I've gotten better and better about knowing how to put the pack on and how to adjust it. I love how these backpacks allow you to adjust things like the shoulder straps. I might've discounted certain models because they didn't seem to sit on me correctly, but once I cinched the straps in place, it felt more comfortable and more natural. I like the idea of a smaller pack so that it forces me to be conservative in terms of how much gear I bring. I'm kind of a packrat, anyway, and I'm afraid I might be tempted to stuff too much into a larger pack.

Looks like you got yourself a winner with that Osprey Manta 36. That looks like a good pack and I'm sure it will serve you well. Since it fits you so well I'd go with it. The Camino is not rough on gear at all, and hardly technical. A well made pack like that will last you for years. Another good thing is that is comes with a rain cover and it looks like it would easily stow on as carry-on luggage for a flight. Something I always try to do on the way to a Camino. The way back home? Aah, not so much. Ha ha.

Thanks @Mark Lee, at this point the Camino is the only journey I'm planning to use the backpack on, though of course I might get bitten by the Camino bug and want to do one again. I like the attached raincover, I've seen that now on several backpacks and like that a lot. I'd also prefer to have a backpack that I can carry on, so yeah, that is a priority. My only complaint about the Manta is that it's difficult to open and close the zippers on the hip pockets with the pack on, but I've seen some workarounds online. I LOVE the fact that the little "fins" on the hips hug the body, not sure why, but I do.

Hey @StepheninDC. I'm an Osprey guy as well. The Manta AG 36 is a great pack. It's like a mini version of the larger Osprey Atmos AG 50 which I love. Super comfy & makes the weight in your pack just disappear. Good choice.

If you're still looking tho... You might want to check out these other packs by Osprey as well...

1)Talon 33...very light with an adjustable torso. Hugs your back closely.

2)Stratos 34...a panel loader with a mesh back panel that lets air flow between your pack & your back. It's heavier than the Talon but it's straps are padded and super comfy. They also make a Stratos 36 which is a top loader if you prefer that style. It also comes with a rain cover like the Manta does.

Anyway...whatever you choose....Bien Camino!

Hi, @HikeTall, I will look for those models, as well. I have 6 months to go before my trip, so plenty of time to do comparison shopping. I think I did try on a Stratos last night, too, they're starting to run together, haha. The mesh panel is a great feature, since I'll be wearing just a thin shirt and it'll be warm and sunny (fingers crossed), I need good ventilation.

Hi StepheninDC,
Well you're doing the right thing that's for sure - try them on, try them on, try them on! The Osprey has been very popular for sure and I had one for my last camino. BUT what I found with it is that I couldn't get the straps at the tops of the shoulder to pull tightly enough so I had the slight forward lean for my trip. I gave the darned thing away as soon as I got home! I did notice that many other people had the same problem - sometimes without even noticing it. You should not have to lean forward to balance the weight.

I'm going to check out the Aarn backpack from New Zealand if I can find a local distributor (now has distributors in the US and, I think Canada). Those are the ones that carry some of the weight in front of the body. I met two people on the camino who had them and loved them, but as you said, you need to try it on for yourself. Their website is here: http://www.aarnpacks.com/ and is definitely worth checking out.

And I'd like to add my support to what others have said - get a professional to show you exactly how they should fit (even if it's a video). It makes a HUGE difference if your backpack fits right. My first one was perfect and my back was actually more comfortable with it on than off. But the airline wrecked it, unfortunately.

Hi, @cecelia. According to their site, Aarn packs are only sold outside the US, although they say they can ship from NZ, but I really need to try one on. For now, I only see them on a well-known auction site.
I know what you're saying about the straps on the top of the shoulders, I think they're called load straps or something. I didn't have an issue with that on the Manta 36, but it was an issue for other packs (couldn't pull them up enough). I have done some reading on here and elsewhere, and it's pretty common, from what I can tell, to adjust the weight on the back depending on whether one is ascending or descending. Maybe I'm just falling for the marketing gimmicks, but I definitely felt very comfortable and very light with the Osprey Manta 36 on me. I wonder just slightly whether it's different having one sack of rice weighing 10# on your back vs a lot of gear of various kinds that has a sum total of 10#. Perhaps not, it may all sink to the bottom and feel the same. But I guess what I'm saying is that if I pack things correctly (bulky things at bottom, heavier in the middle, smaller stuff like a rain jacket on top) it will help distribute the load better. And you are so right about having a professional! I've been to 3 local REI stores and they've all been very patient with me and helped me customize the fit, if you will, by making sure things are symmetrical and tightened up just right.

 

[HikeTall]

Just remember @StepheninDC ... when packing your pack to put the light fluffy stuff like your sleeping bag(if you bring one) at the bottom of the pack...and the heaviest stuff above it and closest to your back with lighter stuff around it. By placing the heavier stuff in the middle of the pack and closer to your back, it keeps your center of gravity and helps greatly with comfort of carry. Forgive me if you already know this. Bien Camino!

 

[StepheninDC]

Just remember @StepheninDC ... when packing your pack to put the light fluffy stuff like your sleeping bag(if you bring one) at the bottom of the pack...and the heaviest stuff above it and closest to your back with lighter stuff around it. By placing the heavier stuff in the middle of the pack and closer to your back, it keeps your center of gravity and helps greatly with comfort of carry. Forgive me if you already know this. Bien Camino!

I do, @HikeTall, but it never hurts to hear it more than once! Incidentally, and I apologize if this seems off topic, but do you have any advice in terms of how to store toiletry items like soap, toothpaste, deodorant, etc.? Do you recommend a specific bag for that, or just clear plastic, Ziploc-type ones?

 

[Mark Lee]

I do, @HikeTall, but it never hurts to hear it more than once! Incidentally, and I apologize if this seems off topic, but do you have any advice in terms of how to store toiletry items like soap, toothpaste, deodorant, etc.? Do you recommend a specific bag for that, or just clear plastic, Ziploc-type ones?

I'll throw my two-cents in here. I always just used a heavy duty clear zip-loc bag and that I put that in a lightweight, nylon type travel case made for toiletries. One that has a loop on it you can hand from a shower stall hook while showering in the albergues. Also bring another waterproof bag to put your wallet/passport in while you shower. Hang it within sight.
I carried one bar of soap, and my toothpaste and deodorant, sunscreen etc I bought in containers that met TSA carry-on regs (3.4 ounces/100 ml and under). I also carried only dry/powder type roll on deodorant as I have found that the liquid type tends to leak and get all over your stuff.

 

[dougfitz]

I do, @HikeTall, but it never hurts to hear it more than once! Incidentally, and I apologize if this seems off topic, but do you have any advice in terms of how to store toiletry items like soap, toothpaste, deodorant, etc.? Do you recommend a specific bag for that, or just clear plastic, Ziploc-type ones?

I put wet items (soap, flannel) into plastic zip lock bags, and carried those in a ultrasil toiletries bag that I could hang in the shower.

 

[Sixwheeler]

Osprey and Deuteronomy both make excellent packs, my own are all Osprey as they work best for me.

Always, when trying on in stores, make sure that you have them filled and weighted and, if possible, walk up and down some stairs. If the store won't do this I suggest that you do what I once did, take your business elsewhere.

Ultreïa

 

[HikeTall]

I do, @HikeTall, but it never hurts to hear it more than once! Incidentally, and I apologize if this seems off topic, but do you have any advice in terms of how to store toiletry items like soap, toothpaste, deodorant, etc.? Do you recommend a specific bag for that, or just clear plastic, Ziploc-type ones?

I have a little zippered toiletry organizer from Eagle Creek I think. But there are so many out there. No matter what tho, I always carry a bunch of ziplock bags with me. They are a must for storing & organizing soap and other items.

 

[StepheninDC]

What about something like this:

 

[Mark Lee]

What about something like this:

Yeah, that'd work, as long as it's not too heavy or takes up too much room.
I carry one like this:

 

[jo webber]

Shower items can be carried in a makeup bag, much lighter.

The Osprey zippers on the hip strap are stiff when new, open and close them about 50 times and they work much easier. Also tighten the strap from the pack to the hip belt, that will pull the zippers straight and make them easier to open. Those straps are easy to miss as they also set the tension on the mesh areas to hold water bottles etc.

 

[trecile]

I have three of these super lightweight triple zipper bags to hold my toiletries, first aid stuff, phone charger and cables, and other bits and bobs. They weigh less than an ounce each.
For taking my things into the shower I have a giant ziplock bag with a handle. I also used it to transport my laundry.

 

[Susan Peacock]

I have walked the Camino with a Gregory 38L and the Osprey Kyte 36 (which I thought was the women version of the Kestrel). I have some buldging disc in my back so I have been on a mission to find the perfect pack. I ordered the Aarn from New Zealand but decided it weighs too much (4 lbs) . It hasn't been used if anyone is interested in buying it. I decided that I was going to really pay attention to the weight of the pack. I am now trying the Osprey Exos 38L and the Gossamer Gorilla 40L. I have loaded them (plenty of room in both) and for now think that I like the Exos a bit more. The both weigh around 2 lbs, saving me a little over a pound from my prior backpacks. After a lot of research and switching to lighter gear I am at about 10lbs total without water, so one pound is a big deal.
My local REI does not carry any ultra-light packs so I ordered them. Most ship free, so I will only be out a little return shipping for the ones I decide not to keep. The pack is so important this is a small price to pay. Good luck with your search.

 

[LiliM]

I have a Marmot Graviton 36 women's pack, and I really like it. It weighs just about 1 kg, and is a panel loading pack. It's easy to open just the top, just the bottom or just the side. Or you can unzip the whole thing suitcase style. It has a "trampoline" style back to allow for airflow. I also like the the compression straps go under the outer pockets, so you can access a water bottle, etc., without loosening the straps.

I couldn't find the Marmot one and I got an Osprey Kyte 36 L which weights 1.4 kgs. This is the very first one I tried and it feels ok. I will probably have the chance to try some other ones and see the difference, but for now I'm just happy I got it, even on sale

 

[StepheninDC]

I have walked the Camino with a Gregory 38L and the Osprey Kyte 36 (which I thought was the women version of the Kestrel). I have some buldging disc in my back so I have been on a mission to find the perfect pack. I ordered the Aarn from New Zealand but decided it weighs too much (4 lbs) . It hasn't been used if anyone is interested in buying it. I decided that I was going to really pay attention to the weight of the pack. I am now trying the Osprey Exos 38L and the Gossamer Gorilla 40L. I have loaded them (plenty of room in both) and for now think that I like the Exos a bit more. The both weigh around 2 lbs, saving me a little over a pound from my prior backpacks. After a lot of research and switching to lighter gear I am at about 10lbs total without water, so one pound is a big deal.
My local REI does not carry any ultra-light packs so I ordered them. Most ship free, so I will only be out a little return shipping for the ones I decide not to keep. The pack is so important this is a small price to pay. Good luck with your search.

Thanks, @Susan Peacock, I emailed customer service at Osprey on Tuesday and got a response today. Apparently, the REI stores near me in DC don't stock the Exos 38, either. I may order one online and test it out, or perhaps I'll prevail on REI and have them order one for me so I can try it on.

 

[HikeTall]

Thanks, @Susan Peacock, I emailed customer service at Osprey on Tuesday and got a response today. Apparently, the REI stores near me in DC don't stock the Exos 38, either. I may order one online and test it out, or perhaps I'll prevail on REI and have them order one for me so I can try it on.

I have the Exos 38 and like it. Super light but not light on features. Definitely worth a look. I just read that Osprey is updating the Talon line along with the Stratos line for the Spring. Since you aren't leaving for 6 months, you may have time to check them out as well.

 

[tomnorth]

I'm looking at backpacks for my upcoming (and first) Camino, which is in June 2017. I've been to several stores and tried on several packs, about 10 so far. I'm looking for recommendations from other peregrinos. So far I've been impressed with two models in particular, because of the way they sit on my hips and shoulders. Both models are from Osprey. They are:

Manta AG 36
Kestrel 38

I'm 5'4" and weigh 135 lbs, so I'm looking at packs with capacity less than 40L. (which I keep having to point out to sales staff trying to sell me 60L packs!) I know from reading here and trying things on that different packs feel different to everyone, but I'm trying to get some advice on what to look for. For instance, on me, the Manta AG sits nicely on the hips, but yesterday when I tried one on for the second time, the sternum strap felt very tight and the length was maxed out-maybe I need to adjust the height? The Kestrel did better in that regard, but it has fewer pockets and the back of it has less airflow (key since I'll be in Spain when it's hot). I'm also really interested in two additional models, the Stratos 34 and the Exos 38, but no stores near me have them in stock. I don't want to purchase something sight unseen over the internet and have to return it later. I have read good things about other backpack manufacturers on here, but a lot of them seem to be only available in the UK, Australia or NZ. Anyway, all recommendations or suggestions cheerfully received!

I walked in the fall of 2015 with the Stratus 36 from Osprey. This pack was perfect for me. I've tried on the AG (anti-gravity) packs from Osprey but found they felt tipped forward to me. According to the salesperson at Midwest Mountaineering, the AG packs are designed for steady uphill climbs. There are long stretches of straight and level trekking on the Camino. The Stratus pack breathed well, and I tend to sweat quite a bit. I love the mesh pockets on the outside of the Stratus bag. I kept my water bottles there and got really good at extracting them from the pockets without having to remove the bag. The 36l size was the perfect size for me. I was able to carry a lightweight sleeping bag along with my clothing and other items. The total pack weight was about 8.5 kg.

 

[HikeTall]

I walked in the fall of 2015 with the Stratus 36 from Osprey. This pack was perfect for me. I've tried on the AG (anti-gravity) packs from Osprey but found they felt tipped forward to me. According to the salesperson at Midwest Mountaineering, the AG packs are designed for steady uphill climbs. There are long stretches of straight and level trekking on the Camino. The Stratus pack breathed well, and I tend to sweat quite a bit. I love the mesh pockets on the outside of the Stratus bag. I kept my water bottles there and got really good at extracting them from the pockets without having to remove the bag. The 36l size was the perfect size for me. I was able to carry a lightweight sleeping bag along with my clothing and other items. The total pack weight was about 8.5 kg.

I love the Stratos series as well. I have the 34L & 50L. Both of which are carry on compatible. My only gripe with them is that they don't have the stretch mesh back pocket that most other Osprey packs have - which are great for stashing wet clothes or items you may want quick access to, like a rain jacket. I actually wrote Osprey a letter about that, and what do you know?...Their updated Stratos packs coming out in the Spring include a back pocket. Heh heh heh.

 

[Kanga]

I ordered the Aarn from New Zealand but decided it weighs too much (4 lbs) . It hasn't been used if anyone is interested in buying it.

Please, please try it fully loaded and properly adjusted before you abandon it. Comfort is the aim, although I am surprised - it does not sound like one of the Aarn ultra-lites.

 

[StepheninDC]

I think I'll try on the Stratos on Monday, and try the Manta 36 once again for comparison's sake. I wasn't aware of this last being more suited for steep climbing. It definitely did not tip forward on me. It just felt great, like I had no pack on at all. That's why I said I agreed with the anti-gravity design, it seemed right on me. I see also that Osprey carries some lightweight travel bags that might be a good choice for toiletries.

 

[HikeTall]

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I think I'll try on the Stratos on Monday, and try the Manta 36 once again for comparison's sake. I wasn't aware of this last being more suited for steep climbing. It definitely did not tip forward on me. It just felt great, like I had no pack on at all. That's why I said I agreed with the anti-gravity design, it seemed right on me. I see also that Osprey carries some lightweight travel bags that might be a good choice for toiletries.

Nah. The Manta AG isn't a "tip forward" pack. First of all, it's too small of a pack to even worry about having to compensate by leaning forward. And even tho it does use the AG suspension system, the pack really hugs your body unlike other similar mesh suspension packs. So even the larger Atmos AG packs fully loaded, I've found not to be an issue with having to lean forward.

Most alpine hikers that hike up steep inclines & mountainsides want a pack to be close to their body as possible. But like with any pack, it's also very subjective. The important thing is - does it fit you? And will it do what you need it to do?

Osprey is even putting their AG suspension system in their upcoming Aether packs which are traditional load hauling hiking & trekking packs. Which I find interesting. So I don't think it's an issue at all.

If the Manta really fits you well, and you keep going back to it as a reference point, that's all that matters. Since you're not leaving for 6 months, take your time, and keep trying on packs. This is the fun part, so Enjoy the process!

 

[trecile]

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I couldn't find the Marmot one and I got an Osprey Kyte 36 L which weights 1.4 kgs. This is the very first one I tried and it feels ok. I will probably have the chance to try some other ones and see the difference, but for now I'm just happy I got it, even on sale

I had to order mine.

 

[tomnorth]

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I think I'll try on the Stratos on Monday, and try the Manta 36 once again for comparison's sake. I wasn't aware of this last being more suited for steep climbing. It definitely did not tip forward on me. It just felt great, like I had no pack on at all. That's why I said I agreed with the anti-gravity design, it seemed right on me. I see also that Osprey carries some lightweight travel bags that might be a good choice for toiletries.

If it felt good to you that's what counts. When I tried the AG system it was with a much larger pack, around 65l.

 

[StepheninDC]

If it felt good to you that's what counts. When I tried the AG system it was with a much larger pack, around 65l.

Ah, OK, I was under the impression you had been using the same pack I'd been considering. I think I'll keep using the Manta 36L as my reference point, then.

 

[BlueBowers]

I walked in the fall of 2015 with the Stratus 36 from Osprey. This pack was perfect for me. I've tried on the AG (anti-gravity) packs from Osprey but found they felt tipped forward to me. According to the salesperson at Midwest Mountaineering, the AG packs are designed for steady uphill climbs. There are long stretches of straight and level trekking on the Camino. The Stratus pack breathed well, and I tend to sweat quite a bit. I love the mesh pockets on the outside of the Stratus bag. I kept my water bottles there and got really good at extracting them from the pockets without having to remove the bag. The 36l size was the perfect size for me. I was able to carry a lightweight sleeping bag along with my clothing and other items. The total pack weight was about 8.5 kg.

The Talon I used also had easy access to 500ml water bottles. I saw many people fumbling around a bit for bottles.

 

[HikeTall]

The Talon I used also had easy access to 500ml water bottles. I saw many people fumbling around a bit for bottles.

The Talon is a great pack. It was the very first Osprey pack I ever bought, and I've been hooked on Osprey ever since. My Talon 44 is pretty beat up. I may just have to upgrade it to the new version when they come out in the Spring. Heh heh heh.

 

[Gareth Griffith]

You listen to others advice but you make your own decisions in life and on the camino. Personally I don't think that you can go wrong with an Osprey backpack.

 

[Deleted member 3000]

An Aarn pack with its front balance pockets carries the most comfortably. Some do not like the obstruction of the ground directly in front (by the balance pockets), but your equipment weight is very nicely distributed.

 

[Scott Baerman]

I'm looking at backpacks for my upcoming (and first) Camino, which is in June 2017. I've been to several stores and tried on several packs, about 10 so far. I'm looking for recommendations from other peregrinos. So far I've been impressed with two models in particular, because of the way they sit on my hips and shoulders. Both models are from Osprey. They are:

Manta AG 36
Kestrel 38

I'm 5'4" and weigh 135 lbs, so I'm looking at packs with capacity less than 40L. (which I keep having to point out to sales staff trying to sell me 60L packs!) I know from reading here and trying things on that different packs feel different to everyone, but I'm trying to get some advice on what to look for. For instance, on me, the Manta AG sits nicely on the hips, but yesterday when I tried one on for the second time, the sternum strap felt very tight and the length was maxed out-maybe I need to adjust the height? The Kestrel did better in that regard, but it has fewer pockets and the back of it has less airflow (key since I'll be in Spain when it's hot). I'm also really interested in two additional models, the Stratos 34 and the Exos 38, but no stores near me have them in stock. I don't want to purchase something sight unseen over the internet and have to return it later. I have read good things about other backpack manufacturers on here, but a lot of them seem to be only available in the UK, Australia or NZ. Anyway, all recommendations or suggestions cheerfully received!

I walked from September 14th to October 26th and used a ULA Camino 2. It's probably a little larger than I needed (about 50L,) but it's a panel loader which makes loading and retrieving items much easier then a top loader. It's dimensions are also within airline carry on requirements. It addition to the zippered panel flap it has a roll top extenstion collar and has both interior and exterior compression straps. It has one exterior mesh pocket, two large water bottle pockets, two good sized waste belt pouches, one interior mesh pocket, a small silnylon pocket and a water bladder sleeve, with port openings for the drinking tube. The waste belt adjusts up and down the pack with Velcro so it'll fit any torso length and I easily adjusted the pack to a sweet fit. For me this was a great pack and the name on the pack "Camino" was just perfect.

 

[Ray J]

Lots of great advice here, but FWIW, I've used the Osprey Stratos 36 for both of my Caminos, and will use it on my 2017 hike (wherever that may be), also. I chose it because I like a panel back - I find it easier to get at stuff that's invariably at the bottom of my pack when I need it. (Although, regardless, I always wind up completely emptying my pack every night anyway ).

Note that I chose the 36, not the 34 - the brain gives you just that little bit extra, which may or may not be needed, but is always nice to have, just in case.

BTW, I've no experience with the Manta, but that AG aspect sounds interesting. I will say that the airspeed back panel in the Stratos is awesome! I couldn't tell if the Manta also has the airspeed, but I found it to be a great feature.

 

[arch]

I'm looking at backpacks for my upcoming (and first) Camino, which is in June 2017. I've been to several stores and tried on several packs, about 10 so far. I'm looking for recommendations from other peregrinos. So far I've been impressed with two models in particular, because of the way they sit on my hips and shoulders. Both models are from Osprey. They are:

Manta AG 36
Kestrel 38

I'm 5'4" and weigh 135 lbs, so I'm looking at packs with capacity less than 40L. (which I keep having to point out to sales staff trying to sell me 60L packs!) I know from reading here and trying things on that different packs feel different to everyone, but I'm trying to get some advice on what to look for. For instance, on me, the Manta AG sits nicely on the hips, but yesterday when I tried one on for the second time, the sternum strap felt very tight and the length was maxed out-maybe I need to adjust the height? The Kestrel did better in that regard, but it has fewer pockets and the back of it has less airflow (key since I'll be in Spain when it's hot). I'm also really interested in two additional models, the Stratos 34 and the Exos 38, but no stores near me have them in stock. I don't want to purchase something sight unseen over the internet and have to return it later. I have read good things about other backpack manufacturers on here, but a lot of them seem to be only available in the UK, Australia or NZ. Anyway, all recommendations or suggestions cheerfully received!

My daughter (38) and I (72) did part of the Norte,the Primitivo and Frances to Finisterre sept 2016. I carried a granite gear pack (3lbs) and my daughter a heavier Osprey. She was much happier.
Don't worry about pack weight concentrate on torso length and hip belt comfort. The following article is an excellent reference on pack fitting.
http://sectionhiker.com/how-to-fit-a-backpack/
The section hiker does extensive tests on everything he reviews. Buen Camino

 

[caminojune2017]

I'm looking at backpacks for my upcoming (and first) Camino, which is in June 2017. I've been to several stores and tried on several packs, about 10 so far. I'm looking for recommendations from other peregrinos. So far I've been impressed with two models in particular, because of the way they sit on my hips and shoulders. Both models are from Osprey. They are:

Manta AG 36
Kestrel 38

I'm 5'4" and weigh 135 lbs, so I'm looking at packs with capacity less than 40L. (which I keep having to point out to sales staff trying to sell me 60L packs!) I know from reading here and trying things on that different packs feel different to everyone, but I'm trying to get some advice on what to look for. For instance, on me, the Manta AG sits nicely on the hips, but yesterday when I tried one on for the second time, the sternum strap felt very tight and the length was maxed out-maybe I need to adjust the height? The Kestrel did better in that regard, but it has fewer pockets and the back of it has less airflow (key since I'll be in Spain when it's hot). I'm also really interested in two additional models, the Stratos 34 and the Exos 38, but no stores near me have them in stock. I don't want to purchase something sight unseen over the internet and have to return it later. I have read good things about other backpack manufacturers on here, but a lot of them seem to be only available in the UK, Australia or NZ. Anyway, all recommendations or suggestions cheerfully received!

My daughter and I are also starting the French way in the end of May. We went to REI and found the Gregory brand to be way more comfortable than the Osprey because the frame is curved to fit a woman's shape. It is important to be fit for length. I'm 5'2" and preferred the medium as I wear my pack on my hips. She is 5'5" and preferred the small even though she is taller. We did the J38 model which weighs under 3lb. I was worried it might be too big but after reading these comments I feel better.

 

[LakeMcD]

On my first Camino, I carried a stratos 32 and came in at 12 lbs without water, really enjoyed the pack, it gave me a little room to spare, but decided the pack was a bit overbuilt for that load. I still use it as a winter ski pack. Last year on the Portuguese I opted for a Talon 22, this time coming in at 11lbs and was happy as can be. The padding on Talon, both shoulder and waist were spec'd for a lighter load and more comfortable and compliant than the Stratus.

A good fitting pack sized and designed for the task at hand that distributes the weight comfortably and accordingly is key, after that its weight then features on my decision making tree. Ymmw

 

[Justabob]

I'm looking at backpacks for my upcoming (and first) Camino, which is in June 2017. I've been to several stores and tried on several packs, about 10 so far. I'm looking for recommendations from other peregrinos. So far I've been impressed with two models in particular, because of the way they sit on my hips and shoulders. Both models are from Osprey. They are:

Manta AG 36
Kestrel 38

I'm 5'4" and weigh 135 lbs, so I'm looking at packs with capacity less than 40L. (which I keep having to point out to sales staff trying to sell me 60L packs!) I know from reading here and trying things on that different packs feel different to everyone, but I'm trying to get some advice on what to look for. For instance, on me, the Manta AG sits nicely on the hips, but yesterday when I tried one on for the second time, the sternum strap felt very tight and the length was maxed out-maybe I need to adjust the height? The Kestrel did better in that regard, but it has fewer pockets and the back of it has less airflow (key since I'll be in Spain when it's hot). I'm also really interested in two additional models, the Stratos 34 and the Exos 38, but no stores near me have them in stock. I don't want to purchase something sight unseen over the internet and have to return it later. I have read good things about other backpack manufacturers on here, but a lot of them seem to be only available in the UK, Australia or NZ. Anyway, all recommendations or suggestions cheerfully received!

Osprey has women's sizes....have you been fitted?

 

[Mark Lee]

Osprey has women's sizes....have you been fitted?

The OP is a male.

 

[Gustavus]

I'm looking at backpacks for my upcoming (and first) Camino, which is in June 2017. I've been to several stores and tried on several packs, about 10 so far. I'm looking for recommendations from other peregrinos. So far I've been impressed with two models in particular, because of the way they sit on my hips and shoulders. Both models are from Osprey. They are:

Manta AG 36
Kestrel 38

I'm 5'4" and weigh 135 lbs, so I'm looking at packs with capacity less than 40L. (which I keep having to point out to sales staff trying to sell me 60L packs!) I know from reading here and trying things on that different packs feel different to everyone, but I'm trying to get some advice on what to look for. For instance, on me, the Manta AG sits nicely on the hips, but yesterday when I tried one on for the second time, the sternum strap felt very tight and the length was maxed out-maybe I need to adjust the height? The Kestrel did better in that regard, but it has fewer pockets and the back of it has less airflow (key since I'll be in Spain when it's hot). I'm also really interested in two additional models, the Stratos 34 and the Exos 38, but no stores near me have them in stock. I don't want to purchase something sight unseen over the internet and have to return it later. I have read good things about other backpack manufacturers on here, but a lot of them seem to be only available in the UK, Australia or NZ. Anyway, all recommendations or suggestions cheerfully received!

These days I like a fairly large pack with a light load. It's not necessary to fill it completely, but it's good to be able to add something without totally repacking . It's wise to shop in stores that have a large variety of packs and a knowledgeable staff. I like REI Stores that can be found across the country. They sell brands mentioned on some of responses to this thread. https://www.rei.com/c/backpacking-packs?r=c&ir=category:backpacking-packs&page=1 In my years with the US Forest Service I sometimes had to carry very heavy packs into remote areas. In retirement I pack a light load and stay in hotels. The Camino is nothing like the Pacific Crest Trail, so take it easy on yourself.

 

[james walter purdum iv]

Thanks, @Susan Peacock, I emailed customer service at Osprey on Tuesday and got a response today. Apparently, the REI stores near me in DC don't stock the Exos 38, either. I may order one online and test it out, or perhaps I'll prevail on REI and have them order one for me so I can try it on.

rei in rockville has good selection

 

[kaixo]

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I see also that Osprey carries some lightweight travel bags that might be a good choice for toiletries.

Carry what is comfortable for you but this is way too much for me.

 

[StepheninDC]

Carry what is comfortable for you but this is way too much for me.

I have seen various suggestions on here to bring a small toiletry bag to bring to the bathroom, in order to keep valuables nearby while one showers. This seems to fit the bill and is very light, to boot. It also has a hook for hanging up, which was another suggested feature.

 

[StepheninDC]

These days I like a fairly large pack with a light load. It's not necessary to fill it completely, but it's good to be able to add something without totally repacking . It's wise to shop in stores that have a large variety of packs and a knowledgeable staff. I like REI Stores that can be found across the country. They sell brands mentioned on some of responses to this thread. https://www.rei.com/c/backpacking-packs?r=c&ir=category:backpacking-packs&page=1 In my years with the US Forest Service I sometimes had to carry very heavy packs into remote areas. In retirement I pack a light load and stay in hotels. The Camino is nothing like the Pacific Crest Trail, so take it easy on yourself.

REI is great, that's where I've been concentrating my searches. They indeed have great staff, in fact I called two of the locations where I shopped in order to tell the manager what a great job their employees did. I plan to head out there again tomorrow to see some more gear.

 

[HikeTall]

I have seen various suggestions on here to bring a small toiletry bag to bring to the bathroom, in order to keep valuables nearby while one showers. This seems to fit the bill and is very light, to boot. It also has a hook for hanging up, which was another suggested feature.

Yeah, I'm an Osprey guy, and I didn't even know they made those. I may have to pick one up now! But will still bring ziplock bags.mthey ALWAYS come in handy.

 

[StepheninDC]

You listen to others advice but you make your own decisions in life and on the camino. Personally I don't think that you can go wrong with an Osprey backpack.

Thank you, I tend to agree. I appreciate all of the advice because I'm new to all of this. I am really enjoying the backpack search. Things are much more advanced than when I used to carry a school backpack!

 

[StepheninDC]

Yeah, I'm an Osprey guy, and I didn't even know they made those. I may have to pick one up now! But will still bring ziplock bags.mthey ALWAYS come in handy.

Oh, I'm definitely planning on bringing ziplock bags. They're part of my regular travel accessory kit.

 

[james walter purdum iv]

a simple "S" hook made of plastic or metal will come in handy for those and there are many without a hook...shower basin ever for your bag hooked to your bunk...invaluable

 

[trecile]

I have three of these super lightweight triple zipper bags to hold my toiletries, first aid stuff, phone charger and cables, and other bits and bobs. They weigh less than an ounce each.
For taking my things into the shower I have a giant ziplock bag with a handle. I also used it to transport my laundry.

This is the type of zip lock bag that I brought to carry my things (toiletries, towel, clothing, valuables, etc.) to the shower. I bought mine at the dollar store. You really need something big enough to store everything that you want to take to the shower with you.

 

[J Willhaus]

Oh, I'm definitely planning on bringing ziplock bags. They're part of my regular travel accessory kit.

Hi StepheninDC,
I used a 3 gallon ziplock bag for things like cheese, loaf of bread, butter, shoved in the stretchy back pocket of my husband's Osprey pack. Used gallon ziplock to carry a toothbrush (got the kind of toothbrush cover that fits on the brush only), toothpaste, deodorant, small hotel shampoo. Then a ziplock sandwich bag to carry a bar of soap. A toiletry bag was not needed. Used a ziplock bag for my pilgrim's passport which I carried in one of those "around the neck" things which also held my regular passport, credit cards, and extra cash. Carried my day-to-day cash in a small zippered coin purse in a zipped thigh pocket. I also had a few extra ziplock bags folded with a rubberband around them and we used them all up including the rubber band along the trip at some point. I used one of those shoulder shopping bags that folds up on itself into a ball (made from recycled waterbottles) for a shower bag. It also doubled as a laundry bag. I hung it in the shower from a shoelace tied to a small cheap caribiner clip over the shower rod or whatever was available. A small strap (like a small collar for a cat or dog) would also work.

As far as backpacks, we used packs we already had and that fit us well. I have an old 38 liter Columbia pack that fits my style (red and blue with lots of zippered pockets for organizing). It weighed 8 kilos when we started, but I trimmed it down after the first week by mailing things ahead. My husband had a bigger Osprey Kestrel, but he also carried a tiny travel CPAP which made his whole kit weigh about 10 kilos from the start and he also mailed things ahead after the first week. If you are shopping at REI, they will generally let you return the pack if you do a shakedown hike or two and find it does not fit you. We met several people on the Camino who did not know how to adjust their packs. My husband helped a school teacher with hers at the end of the first day and she remarked on the second day how much that had helped.

You don't need much and it is hard to convince yourself of that--especially before you go. I remember reading SYates book before we left and her message of "There are stores in Spain!" really hit home while we were there. We brought travel versions of toiletries with us and were able to buy what we needed to refill those when the supply ran out. If you have to buy a 3 pack of soap, you can just leave the remaining two for someone else at the albergue. We found most people to be very kind and sharing. If you need help, just ask.
Janet

 

[Caren Abernathy]

My daughter and I are also starting the French way in the end of May. We went to REI and found the Gregory brand to be way more comfortable than the Osprey because the frame is curved to fit a woman's shape. It is important to be fit for length. I'm 5'2" and preferred the medium as I wear my pack on my hips. She is 5'5" and preferred the small even though she is taller. We did the J38 model which weighs under 3lb. I was worried it might be too big but after reading these comments I feel better.

I also could NOT wear an Osprey that i was convinced that I wanted...wound up with a Gregory Jade 32L and I couldnt be happier! I am also a small woman 4' 11" and just could not get comfortable in the Osprey. Load it up and walk up a few mountains....13 miles with a fully loaded pack will make you think long and hard about what you are going to bring...at least it certainly has for me

 

[Gustavus]

The adage that: "One pound on your feet is equal to five pounds on your back", appears to be true according to this Mountain Tactical Institute webpage: http://mtntactical.com/all-articles...pounds-on-your-back-the-5-hiking-thumb-rules/ The Institute summarized carefully-researched US military information for “Rucking”, a term for hiking under load. Of course, a lot depends on the carrier. I have had smoke jumpers carrying 100# loads pass me on the uphill trail while I carried 20#. As Kipling wrote: " You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din!".

 

[StepheninDC]

Hi StepheninDC,
I used a 3 gallon ziplock bag for things like cheese, loaf of bread, butter, shoved in the stretchy back pocket of my husband's Osprey pack. Used gallon ziplock to carry a toothbrush (got the kind of toothbrush cover that fits on the brush only), toothpaste, deodorant, small hotel shampoo. Then a ziplock sandwich bag to carry a bar of soap. A toiletry bag was not needed. Used a ziplock bag for my pilgrim's passport which I carried in one of those "around the neck" things which also held my regular passport, credit cards, and extra cash. Carried my day-to-day cash in a small zippered coin purse in a zipped thigh pocket. I also had a few extra ziplock bags folded with a rubberband around them and we used them all up including the rubber band along the trip at some point. I used one of those shoulder shopping bags that folds up on itself into a ball (made from recycled waterbottles) for a shower bag. It also doubled as a laundry bag. I hung it in the shower from a shoelace tied to a small cheap caribiner clip over the shower rod or whatever was available. A small strap (like a small collar for a cat or dog) would also work.

As far as backpacks, we used packs we already had and that fit us well. I have an old 38 liter Columbia pack that fits my style (red and blue with lots of zippered pockets for organizing). It weighed 8 kilos when we started, but I trimmed it down after the first week by mailing things ahead. My husband had a bigger Osprey Kestrel, but he also carried a tiny travel CPAP which made his whole kit weigh about 10 kilos from the start and he also mailed things ahead after the first week. If you are shopping at REI, they will generally let you return the pack if you do a shakedown hike or two and find it does not fit you. We met several people on the Camino who did not know how to adjust their packs. My husband helped a school teacher with hers at the end of the first day and she remarked on the second day how much that had helped.

You don't need much and it is hard to convince yourself of that--especially before you go. I remember reading SYates book before we left and her message of "There are stores in Spain!" really hit home while we were there. We brought travel versions of toiletries with us and were able to buy what we needed to refill those when the supply ran out. If you have to buy a 3 pack of soap, you can just leave the remaining two for someone else at the albergue. We found most people to be very kind and sharing. If you need help, just ask.
Janet

Wow, that's a lot of ziplock bags! Funny that you mentioned S Yates's book. I got it as a Christmas present and already read it.
I am strictly carrying no more than 10 lbs. I put that in the pack today at REI and it feels fine.
I tried on a couple of Gregory packs, too. Theirs are very nice, pretty comfortable on me right from the start. The hip pockets were easily accessible with the pack on. One thing I noticed is that the shoulder straps rest more closely to the middle of my chest than the Osprey models. I don't know if that's a difference in design or just how I had the various straps cinched up.

 

[Kanga]

An Aarn pack with its front balance pockets carries the most comfortably. Some do not like the obstruction of the ground directly in front (by the balance pockets), but your equipment weight is very nicely distributed.

Hi Falcon, the balance pockets are specifically designed so you can see the ground - which is why they are two separate front packs, instead of one. I think the original pack was designed with climbers in mind. No matter - glad to see they get a mention! I'm always terrified Aarn will go out of business, and then where would I be?

 

[Jose J. Martinez]

I'm looking at backpacks for my upcoming (and first) Camino, which is in June 2017. I've been to several stores and tried on several packs, about 10 so far. I'm looking for recommendations from other peregrinos. So far I've been impressed with two models in particular, because of the way they sit on my hips and shoulders. Both models are from Osprey. They are:

Manta AG 36
Kestrel 38

I'm 5'4" and weigh 135 lbs, so I'm looking at packs with capacity less than 40L. (which I keep having to point out to sales staff trying to sell me 60L packs!) I know from reading here and trying things on that different packs feel different to everyone, but I'm trying to get some advice on what to look for. For instance, on me, the Manta AG sits nicely on the hips, but yesterday when I tried one on for the second time, the sternum strap felt very tight and the length was maxed out-maybe I need to adjust the height? The Kestrel did better in that regard, but it has fewer pockets and the back of it has less airflow (key since I'll be in Spain when it's hot). I'm also really interested in two additional models, the Stratos 34 and the Exos 38, but no stores near me have them in stock. I don't want to purchase something sight unseen over the internet and have to return it later. I have read good things about other backpack manufacturers on here, but a lot of them seem to be only available in the UK, Australia or NZ. Anyway, all recommendations or suggestions cheerfully received!

My wife and I went last March and April. We had 47 liter backpacks bought at Walmart that were only $30 each. The bags were good and resistant with internal frames made of aluminum. However, our lack of experience caused problems with the packs... first we took too much weight. Mine was weighing about 11 kg and my wife's 7 kg. Essentially we had too much with us. My bag was pulled with the shoulder belts until it was comfortable but the belts would get loose right away since the little buckles had no teeth and no friction to keep the bag snug against my back. The lower waist belt was ok but that only allowed for the bag to almost rest on the waist in my lumbar area while the shoulders continued loose. We did manage to get all the way to Santiago but the bags were a constant irritation. For April after Semana Santa goes by, we will fly from Tucson to Biarritz via Madrid. Take a cab or taxi to Bayonne and train to SJPP. This time we will get bags at REI or at an alternate store. We have been measured and will not take anything over 40 liters. We will only take what is really required and plan to not carry any food with us.

 

[dougfitz]

Hi Falcon, the balance pockets are specifically designed so you can see the ground - which is why they are two separate front packs, instead of one. I think the original pack was designed with climbers in mind. No matter - glad to see they get a mention! I'm always terrified Aarn will go out of business, and then where would I be?

Wearing my wife's Natural Exhileration with full balance pockets there is a zone for about 60 cm in front of my centre line which I cannot see. The balance pockets can be moved so the zone is more to the sides than directly ahead, but it is still there somewhere. If the balance pockets are brought close together so it is easier to use trekking poles, the zone is more central. Whether the pockets are moved apart or close together, it seems to me that they always obscure where my foot is going to land if I am walking normally. That's not much of a problem on smooth surfaces, but does need some extra care when walking on rough or broken ground.

 

[Elizabeth Cheung]

Wearing my wife's Natural Exhileration with full balance pockets there is a zone for about 60 cm in front of my centre line which I cannot see. The balance pockets can be moved so the zone is more to the sides than directly ahead, but it is still there somewhere. If the balance pockets are brought close together so it is easier to use trekking poles, the zone is more central. Whether the pockets are moved apart or close together, it seems to me that they always obscure where my foot is going to land if I am walking normally. That's not much of a problem on smooth surfaces, but does need some extra care when walking on rough or broken ground.

"Wearing my wife's Natural Exhileration" - That is the start of an amazing poem ;-)

 

[wayne smith]

The Lowe Alpine Air Zone Pro 35-10, is designed with women in mind (although a lot of men use it).
It is height adjustable, fit narrowly on the back for a good centre of gravity. It has a well padded
Waist/hip band with good pockets, two good water bottle holders and comes with its own waterproof cover. My wife and a friend have used this model for years for long distance, light weight walking and swear by it.

 

[Deleted member 3000]

Whether the pockets are moved apart or close together, it seems to me that they always obscure where my foot is going to land if I am walking normally. That's not much of a problem on smooth surfaces, but does need some extra care when walking on rough or broken ground.

It has been fifteen years since I planted a foot without looking at the ground! I don't find that the Aarn visual obstruction to be much of a problem. I think my varilux eyeglasses make seeing the ground more difficult than do the balance pockets. Other persons have complained about the balance pockets, so I was just trying to give their criticism a bit of serious consideration as a negative feature!

 

[Jo Jo]

Stephen,

Take advantage of living in the U.S. and all of the really great cottage manufacturers we have here--they make the lightest, best-designed gear on the planet, at least in my opinion. Specifically, Zpacks, ULA, Gossamer Gear. First Camino (CF) I carried an Osprey 28L. Second (Florence to Assisi) and Third (also CF) a Zpack Arc Haul, allegedly with 62L capacity. Why the increase? It really wasn't. The Zpacks pack was actually a pound lighter (empty weight) than the Osprey. Also, cottage manufacturers calculate the capacity by all of the pockets. REI-sold manufacterers generally calculate by the main bag. So I closed all of the compression cords down as far as they would go to reduce volume, and gladly accepted the pound of weight saved. You will have to get packs by mail and then ship back the ones you don't want (I must have shipped back 10 different ones). It was worth it for me.

Buen Camino,
Jo Jo

 

[StepheninDC]

Stephen,

Take advantage of living in the U.S. and all of the really great cottage manufacturers we have here--they make the lightest, best-designed gear on the planet, at least in my opinion. Specifically, Zpacks, ULA, Gossamer Gear. First Camino (CF) I carried an Osprey 28L. Second (Florence to Assisi) and Third (also CF) a Zpack Arc Haul, allegedly with 62L capacity. Why the increase? It really wasn't. The Zpacks pack was actually a pound lighter (empty weight) than the Osprey. Also, cottage manufacturers calculate the capacity by all of the pockets. REI-sold manufacterers generally calculate by the main bag. So I closed all of the compression cords down as far as they would go to reduce volume, and gladly accepted the pound of weight saved. You will have to get packs by mail and then ship back the ones you don't want (I must have shipped back 10 different ones). It was worth it for me.

Buen Camino,
Jo Jo

Thank you, I took a look at the Zpacks website and almost fainted, the prices are double what the Ospreys are! Ouch! The cheapest one I looked at was $299 and it didn't seem to have many features with it. Thanks for the suggestion, though!

 

[trecile]

Thank you, I took a look at the Zpacks website and almost fainted, the prices are double what the Ospreys are! Ouch! The cheapest one I looked at was $299 and it didn't seem to have many features with it. Thanks for the suggestion, though!

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, look at the Marmot Graviton pack. Only 2 lb. 4 ounces/1050 gm.

 

[StepheninDC]

So I decided to go ahead and order the Osprey Manta AG 36 from REI, and they're shipping it to me tomorrow. After I tried on a few more packs on Monday (loaded, of course), I decided that it was the best suited for me. I plan to start doing some practice walking soon, and I've bought a few items to carry with me just to get a feel for it. REI is very generous about exchanging things, so if I decide later to go with something else, that's an option.

 

[Jo Jo]

Thank you, I took a look at the Zpacks website and almost fainted, the prices are double what the Ospreys are! Ouch! The cheapest one I looked at was $299 and it didn't seem to have many features with it. Thanks for the suggestion, though!

I respect that. Osprey makes good packs (although I don't think you need 36L--I think when you have all of your gear together and all redundancies eliminated, you'll be able to fit in 25-30L range, and will exchange for a smaller, lighter Osprey).

The prices at cottage manufacturers are steep. It may be that I've used mine on three different 200+ mile trips (plus a short trip to Machu Picchu). The more I walk, the more it seems like a bargain. By this point, it was worth every penny in my book (got one for my wife too).

Buen Camino,
Jo Jo

 

[HikeTall]

I respect that. Osprey makes good packs (although I don't think you need 36L--I think when you have all of your gear together and all redundancies eliminated, you'll be able to fit in 25-30L range, and will exchange for a smaller, lighter Osprey).

The prices at cottage manufacturers are steep. It may be that I've used mine on three different 200+ mile trips (plus a short trip to Machu Picchu). The more I walk, the more it seems like a bargain. By this point, it was worth every penny in my book (got one for my wife too).

Buen Camino,
Jo Jo

I think that 25 -30L is DEFINITELY on the small end of the spectrum size wise for the Camino. More power to ya if you can walk the Camino with a 25L pack. I know many do. And thats cool. I believe less is more. But i also think the general consensus is 40L or less is adequate for the Camino. Again, depends on the person. Their size. What they are bringing. Time of year etc etc. So many variables. It is always interesting to hear everyone's opinion tho, and what worked for them. Then to filter all that info thru your own experience trying on & testing packs. I'm an Osprey guy too. I know there are other brands out there, and I have liked many of them. Not every Osprey pack fits me. But most do, and i love their features, price & of course, their Almighty Guarantee. Having said that, its more of a brand loyalty thing with me. Like Canon vs Nikon. Arguably both great camera companies, but many photogs are passionately loyal to their brand of choice. Same with packs. Some people love Osprey. Some Gregory. Others swear by ULA. It's all good. Ultimately, there is no substitute for direct experience and going out their yourself and trying on as many packs as you can.

 

[HikeTall]

So I decided to go ahead and order the Osprey Manta AG 36 from REI, and they're shipping it to me tomorrow. After I tried on a few more packs on Monday (loaded, of course), I decided that it was the best suited for me. I plan to start doing some practice walking soon, and I've bought a few items to carry with me just to get a feel for it. REI is very generous about exchanging things, so if I decide later to go with something else, that's an option.

Congrats dude. It seemed that you kept going back to the Mantra AG 36. I know the feeling. Once you find that perfect fitting pack, you just know. It's good you kept searching tho. Thats the way to do it. Now you can concentrate on your practice walks and other fun things. Happy New Year!

 

[StepheninDC]

Congrats dude. It seemed that you kept going back to the Mantra AG 36. I know the feeling. Once you find that perfect fitting pack, you just know. It's good you kept searching tho. Thats the way to do it. Now you can concentrate on your practice walks and other fun things. Happy New Year!

@HikeTall, thanks a lot. Yeah, that pack just felt right from the very beginning. I really liked how it sat on the back as well. Some of the other packs were also very comfortable, but I noticed that the top part of the pack would tend to hit the back of my head. One of the things I liked about the manta 36 is that it doesn't extend too far up, if you know what I mean. I also considered the size in terms of whether it was something I could take as a carry-on, as far as the airplane was concerned. Talked with my travel agent earlier and it looks like I'll be flying to Madrid on June 16, arriving the morning of the 17th. I'll check elsewhere here on the forum and see if there might be others arriving around the same time and whether we could carpool, so to speak. I may take the bus to Pamplona and get a ride from there to St. Jean Pied de Port.

 

[Gustavus]

StepheninDC brings up a good point about a tall pack hitting the back of your head. I always wear a broad-brimmed hat and it drives me crazy having my hat bump the pack. Note the packs and footwear on pilgrims trudging through Atapueca on a chilly October day. Their footwear varies from sandals to hiking boots. It's easy to find a place to stay in Atapuerca and one can make a side trip to Early Human Site a short bus ride out of town. (sorry the second picture is sideways)

 

[trecile]

StepheninDC brings up a good point about a tall pack hitting the back of your head. I always wear a broad-brimmed hat and it drives me crazy having my hat bump the pack. Note the packs and footwear on pilgrims trudging through Atapueca on a chilly October day. Their footwear varies from sandals to hiking boots. It's easy to find a place to stay in Atapuerca and one can make a side trip to Early Human Site a short bus ride out of town. (sorry the second picture is sideways)View attachment 30886 View attachment 30887

I also had a chance to visit the archaeological site at Atapuerca. Be aware that the tour is in Spanish, but there are some informational signs in English, and I think a couple of other languages too. Fortunately I was with a young woman who is fluent in Spanish, and she translated the highlights for us.