Of the 12% of pilgrims who start the Camino Frances from St. Jean Pied de Port, what percent finish at Compostela de Santiago?
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Of the 12% of pilgrims who start the Camino Frances from St. Jean Pied de Port, what percent finish at Compostela de Santiago?
Que? Half a dozen posts, maybe a dozen, perhaps even a hundred posts a year from Pilgrims obliged by one cause or another to finish their camino before they intended. Is that a "good number' out of the quarter of a million shuffling down the Way?But I've seen quite a good number of pilgrims were forced to stop their camino in the "La Meseta" for one reason or another....
My impression is that for a variety of reasons quite a few do not register on arrival in Santiago either. My last arrival in Santiago was not recorded by the pilgrim office and I have no plans to visit them in future.but as others on the thread have mentioned, quite a few pilgrims take a number of years to finish, and not everyone "registers" at SJPP.
I'm minded of a poem I can't put my hand to so I'll misquote for posterity:
"The gulls cry: "Achieve","Believe",
The Bells sound "Some".
At certain states of the tide you can leave, dry shod, this fitful Island."
(If anyone can help me out with the source I'll be a grateful Tinker)
Que? Half a dozen posts, maybe a dozen, perhaps even a hundred posts a year from Pilgrims obliged by one cause or another to finish their camino before they intended. Is that a "good number' out of the quarter of a million shuffling down the Way?
@NorthernLight its great to see another mathematician posting . 100% of the Pilgrims who started in StJdP and arrived in Santiago represent 100% of Pilgrims who started in StJdP etc etc. They also represent 12% of all those who arrived in Santiago. Thats a pretty spectacular proportion given how many start in Sarria. Do 100% of those who start in StJdP arrive in Santiago? As part of a contiguous journey, as part of a sectioned hike spread over years? Who the hell knows. The beloved Pilgrims' office certainly don't because on my last couple of trips I didn't present myself for counting and anyway I was going somewhere else. If I start in Irun, walk the Vasco, the Frances to Leon, the Salvador to Oviedo, the Primitivo to Lugo, the Verde to Sobrado and then just follow my nose to Santiago which "Camino" did I walk, where did i start and where did I finish?
I'm minded of a poem I can't put my hand to so I'll misquote for posterity:
"The gulls cry: "Achieve","Believe",
The Bells sound "Some".
At certain states of the tide you can leave, dry shod, this fitful Island."
(If anyone can help me out with the source I'll be a grateful Tinker)
Ahhh, @Tincatinker, for the dedicated mathematician, every number is a good number!Is that a "good number' out of the quarter of a million shuffling down the Way?
I'm not sure either, but I would be confident that there is no source that can answer the OP's question as it is currently framed.Not to dis the OP question, but what's the point for asking the question?
On my last CF last October/Of the 12% of pilgrims who start the Camino Frances from St. Jean Pied de Port, what percent finish at Compostela de Santiago?
HiOf the 12% of pilgrims who start the Camino Frances from St. Jean Pied de Port, what percent finish at Compostela de Santiago?
That would be broadly consistent with the statistic that over 40% don't finish by registering at the pilgrim office. Perhaps if people haven't 'got it together' by Burgos, that is a good indication that they won't finish.Hi
On my last CF in October/ November by Burgos around 40% had feet and leg issues and unlikely to go much further.
Not a formal statistic, but an observation. Some planned to bus the Meseta and others forced to stop.
@happymarkos that is an interesting observation, and @stratophile's expansion is interesting too. Perhaps it is time for a prominent, multilingual sign in StJdP stating "Start slowly! Santiago isn't going anywhere".On my last CF last October/
Hi
On my last CF in October/ November by Burgos around 40% had feet and leg issues and unlikely to go much further.
Not a formal statistic, but an observation. Some planned to bus the Meseta and others forced to stop.
Right next to the one which says "Throw that ****** book away and stop where and when you want to!"Perhaps it is time for a prominent, multilingual sign in StJdP stating "Start slowly! Santiago isn't going anywhere"
Something in that I think. Perhaps those of us who tick one (or all) of your boxes have already been there, done that and remember it well enough not to want to do it again ;-)One of my observations is that many of the pilgrims I encounter injured that have to give up are the young and fit (and mostly male). Maybe us oldies/overweight/infirm/insane have a more sensible idea of what we can or cannot do!
Something in that I think. Perhaps those of us who tick one (or all) of your boxes have already been there, done that and remember it well enough not to want to do it again ;-)
I have two compostellas already so don’t see the point in queuing for a third. I do treasure the credentials though as I love seeing where I have been. I start Camino Frances again next weekQue? Half a dozen posts, maybe a dozen, perhaps even a hundred posts a year from Pilgrims obliged by one cause or another to finish their camino before they intended. Is that a "good number' out of the quarter of a million shuffling down the Way?
@NorthernLight its great to see another mathematician posting . 100% of the Pilgrims who started in StJdP and arrived in Santiago represent 100% of Pilgrims who started in StJdP etc etc. They also represent 12% of all those who arrived in Santiago. Thats a pretty spectacular proportion given how many start in Sarria. Do 100% of those who start in StJdP arrive in Santiago? As part of a contiguous journey, as part of a sectioned hike spread over years? Who the hell knows. The beloved Pilgrims' office certainly don't because on my last couple of trips I didn't present myself for counting and anyway I was going somewhere else. If I start in Irun, walk the Vasco, the Frances to Leon, the Salvador to Oviedo, the Primitivo to Lugo, the Verde to Sobrado and then just follow my nose to Santiago which "Camino" did I walk, where did i start and where did I finish?
I'm minded of a poem I can't put my hand to so I'll misquote for posterity:
"The gulls cry: "Achieve","Believe",
The Bells sound "Some".
At certain states of the tide you can leave, dry shod, this fitful Island."
(If anyone can help me out with the source I'll be a grateful Tinker)
One of my observations is that many of the pilgrims I encounter injured that have to give up are the young and fit (and mostly male). Maybe us oldies/overweight/infirm/insane have a more sensible idea of what we can or cannot do!
I've only been once granted but I did not see anyone go home from the meseta. Most of what I saw injury(mentally and physically) wise happened pre Burgos. The usual aches, pains and occasional missing toenail followed.
I met an Englishwoman on the Camino Frances who was quite shocked that I wasn't using Brierley's guide or walking his stages. On hearing my own plans she asked "Oh! Are you allowed to do that?" That is the most extreme example I've encountered but I have met several others - and read accounts here - who have felt some obligation to stick to Brierley's stages. For many people the Caminos are their first long-distance walk. As it is the de facto standard English guidebook I think a lot of inexperienced walkers quite reasonably assume Brierley's pattern is the norm and will be manageable. They may then commit themselves to Brierley's stages by pre-booking accommodation and transport home only to find themselves struggling to keep up.She said it wasn't until she read my article that she realized you didn't have to stick to the Brierley stages.
I don't think people drop out on the Mesetā , they just die of boredom.The meseta can be challenging due to long stretches of little-to-no shade and longer distances between villages. It can sometimes wear people down. That said, I've never really noticed any sudden spikes in people dropping out on the meseta.
I met an Englishwoman on the Camino Frances who was quite shocked that I wasn't using Brierley's guide or walking his stages. On hearing my own plans she asked "Oh! Are you allowed to do that?" That is the most extreme example I've encountered but I have met several others - and read accounts here - who have felt some obligation to stick to Brierley's stages. For many people the Caminos are their first long-distance walk. As it is the de facto standard English guidebook I think a lot of inexperienced walkers quite reasonably assume Brierley's pattern is the norm and will be manageable. They may then commit themselves to Brierley's stages by pre-booking accommodation and transport home only to find themselves struggling to keep up.
If you think the Meseta is boring then try out a job at the post office, or on an assembly line or working for the government of what ever country you come from. I find the Meseta a salve.I don't think people drop out on the Mesetā , they just die of boredom.
I don't think people drop out on the Mesetā , they just die of boredom.
I have actually done all those jobs including working at an Amazon fulfillment centre. I was reminded of all those jobs while walking amidst miles and miles of flat land. With a ridiculously wide unpaved road laid right through the middle, I have a funny suspicion that the farmers have used Camino funding to lay that road so they can put more irrigation into there fields.If you think the Meseta is boring then try out a job at the post office, or on an assembly line or working for the government of what ever country you come from. I find the Meseta a salve.
I have actually done all those jobs including working at an Amazon fulfillment centre. I was reminded of all those jobs while walking amidst miles and miles of flat land. With a ridiculously wide unpaved road laid right through the middle, I have a funny suspicion that the farmers have used Camino funding to lay that road so they can put more irrigation into there fields.
I am starting in May, I did not realize that was the busiest time - yikes!!The pilgrim office publishes figures for pilgrims "registering" in Saint Jean Pied de Port. Figures for 2018 can be found here (statistics for previous years here). I suppose you could get some idea by comparing the numbers departing with those arriving (a month later?) but as others on the thread have mentioned, quite a few pilgrims take a number of years to finish, and not everyone "registers" at SJPP.
In case anyone is interested, here are the SJPP figures from 2018:
- Janvier : 292
- Février : 320
- Mars : 2 077
- Avril : 7 499
- Mai : 10 837
- Juin : 7 148
- Juillet : 6 173
- Août : 8 320
- Septembre : 10 189
- Octobre : 4 135
- Novembre : 602
- Décembre : 289
He's part of the 12%, I guessIam joined, posted, then left...
Out of the 20 pilgrims that became my Camino family whom all started in SJPdP Sept 2013, all but one made it all the way to Santiago de Compostela. So I would say 1 out of 20 do NOT make it. It’s not for everyone, he soon found out and left after his last nights sleep in Estella.Of the 12% of pilgrims who start the Camino Frances from St. Jean Pied de Port, what percent finish at Compostela de Santiago?
Why should this stop us from commenting or even matter?Iam joined, posted, then left...
Good for them! Being an ex-development worker myself, I like nothing better than the art of hijacking development funds earmarked for nonsense uses by desk bureaucrats, and sink them into something truly useful for the community!I have actually done all those jobs including working at an Amazon fulfillment centre. I was reminded of all those jobs while walking amidst miles and miles of flat land. With a ridiculously wide unpaved road laid right through the middle, I have a funny suspicion that the farmers have used Camino funding to lay that road so they can put more irrigation into there fields.
I think those who love the Mesata and those who purposely avoid it can likely also be divided into those who are at peace in nature and with their own company, and those who are not. And the Mesata will tell you which you are!I don't think people drop out on the Mesetā , they just die of boredom.
I did not have the same experience as you with Cruz de Ferro, but I did learn a new word today, so thanks for that! I guess I viewed the detritus as an emblematic and spiritual shedding of dead skin.My favourite day for nature was the leg from Astoria to El acebo, it was a misty driek day with a brisk wind, the heather gorse and broom were in full bloom, I thought I was in heaven. There were many hikers on the road because it was Easter weekend but I walked totally alone that day just loving the cool damp air and the fantastic views when the mist cleared. It was almost the perfect day spoiled only by the detritus surrounding the Cruz de Ferri, possibly the most underwhelming event of my Camino.
There are just two kinds of people: those who categorize everyone into two categories, and those who don't.divided into those who are at peace in nature and with their own company, and those who are not
Of the people I have met who had to 'drop out' it was before the Meseta........The meseta can be challenging due to long stretches of little-to-no shade and longer distances between villages. It can sometimes wear people down. That said, I've never really noticed any sudden spikes in people dropping out on the meseta.
I don't think people drop out on the Mesetā , they just die of boredom.
Do you include yourself in the first category?There are just two kinds of people: those who categorize everyone into two categories, and those who don't.