While you're not doing anything else ... help identify this church!

[Deleted member 73526]

Well, I've searched in vain in the following three communities, which are listed in the credits above:

Ames - 13 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-ames-2337ep_2ay.html)
Dumbria - 7 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-dumbria-2337ep_35ay.html)
Mazaricos - 12 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-mazaricos-2337ep_46ay.html)

I believe I found images (or google street view) for all of the churches above and was able to eliminate them for one reason or another. (Very few are rendered, for a start).

I think the best bet may be to wait for conditions in Spain to settle and then send a screenshot and a polite request to the town halls in that region to see if anyone would identify the church. (Or better still, visit and ask in person)

Not now, though. They've got more urgent work to do.

 

[Bert45]

After Muxia, they apparently filmed for three days in Madrid and for one day in Marrakesh, according to La Voz de Galicia. And below are the credits with the thank yous for Galicia. It doesn't mean that there are scenes in the movie from all these places but may we safely assume that all the scenes filmed in Galicia were filmed in one of the places referenced below?

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Even they made the mistake of putting the apostrophe in "O Cebreiro". Why acknowledge the Parador in Santiago twice (Parador Hostal dos Reis Católicos ... Parador Hostal de los Reyes Católicos)?

 

[Bert45]

Toronto International Film Festival

Thanks, Kathar1na!
So nothing to do with Tagged Image File Format.
I bet they were confused by the date on the compostela being nearly a month in the future .

 

[Bert45]

Well, I've searched in vain in the following three communities, which are listed in the credits above:

Ames - 13 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-ames-2337ep_2ay.html)
Dumbria - 7 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-dumbria-2337ep_35ay.html)
Mazaricos - 12 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-mazaricos-2337ep_46ay.html)

I believe I found images (or google street view) for all of the churches above and was able to eliminate them for one reason or another. (Very few are rendered, for a start).

I think the best bet may be to wait for conditions in Spain to settle and then send a screenshot and a polite request to the town halls in that region to see if anyone would identify the church. (Or better still, visit and ask in person)

Not now, though. They've got more urgent work to do.

I had a look at those villages as well as I could on Streetview a long time ago after somebody made a similar suggestion, and I came to the same conclusion, i.e. that the church where Joost rings the bell is not in any of them. But it's good that you have done this independently.

 

[Deleted member 73526]

I had a look at those villages as well as I could on Streetview a long time ago after somebody made a similar suggestion, and I came to the same conclusion, i.e. that the church where Joost rings the bell is not in any of them. But it's good that you have done this independently.

Time to check the adjacent communities, then. The style makes me feel that it's probably an 18th or 19th century church to the west of Santiago.

 

[Pelegrin]

Time to check the adjacent communities, then. The style makes me feel that it's probably an 18th or 19th century church to the west of Santiago.

I read that when Martin Sheen first visited the cemetery in his family village Salceda de Caselas he cried. Maybe what was important for him here is the cemetery not the church because he likes Galician cemeteries.

 

[Kathar1na]

Well, I've searched in vain in the following three communities, which are listed in the credits above:
Ames - 13 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-ames-2337ep_2ay.html)
Dumbria - 7 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-dumbria-2337ep_35ay.html)
Mazaricos - 12 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-mazaricos-2337ep_46ay.html)

Yep, that's correct. @Bert45's church and cemetery is not in any of the many parishes of Ames, Dumbria, or Mazaricos.

 

[Kathar1na]

I think the best bet may be to wait for conditions in Spain to settle and then send a screenshot and a polite request to the town halls in that region to see if anyone would identify the church.

I have no doubts at all that all the clues for finding it are in this thread and that one or the other participant will reveal the location before the lockdown is over.

 

[Deleted member 73526]

I reckon I've found it.
Do you want hints? Or shall I spill the beans?

 

[Kathar1na]

Do you want hints? Or shall I spill the beans?

Hints.

 

[Camino Chrissy]

I reckon I've found it.
Do you want hints? Or shall I spill the beans?

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You can PM me the beans, but give everyone else hints, cuz I've put in the most detective work.

 

[Deleted member 73526]

Hint 1 - An aerial view - looking over James Nesbit's shoulder and beyond. I think your "tower" is just a dark roof of an ordinary building:

 

[Deleted member 73526]

Hint 2 - The municipality is credited in the screenshot that Kathar1na posted earlier, but it's not one of the villages that I searched earlier.

 

[Deleted member 73526]

Hint 3 - It's not directly on the Camino a Finisterre - Muxía. It's about 4km from the route that we walk.

 

[Deleted member 73526]

Hint 4 - I'll post the answer when I wake up if you haven't Figueired it out by then.

 

[VNwalking]

Taa daaaaa!

 

[Pelegrin]

Santa Mariña de Ameixenda (Ames) ?

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

Unbelievable @Raggy.

La iglesia románica de Santa María de Figueiras

The first two links will locate the church.

This is slightly off. Use Google Street View once this comes up:

42°53'54.3"N 8°35'07.7"W · Municipality of Santiago de Compostela, A Coruña, Spain

Municipality of Santiago de Compostela, A Coruña, Spain

www.google.com

This is right in the courtyard. An ariel view:

GPS Visualizer: Freehand Drawing Utility: Draw on a map and save GPX data

www.gpsvisualizer.com

Other pictures of the church:

santa maria - Google Search

 

[ApproachingBliss]

I just want to know how you knew I wasn't doing anything??

 

[Lydia Le]

That looks like it's on the Camino Portuguese.

 

[Camino Chrissy]

I just want to know how you knew I wasn't doing anything??

And I was beginning to worry the answer wouldn't be figured out before all the self isolation was lifted and all "our" hard work would be in vain.

 

[Jeff Crawley]

The next scene is the village of O’Cebreiro, so the odds are it won’t be far away, but no guarantees that it will actually be on the Camino...

I've been wandering the highways and byways all over the place looking at churches and or cemeteries anywhere along either side of the man route. Trouble is not all of the tagged churches have photos and not all of them are on GoogleStreetView routes . . . This calls for a field study!

 

[Jeff Crawley]

I love sidetracks! You can end up in interesting places!
It looks quite clear on my PC (47 cm diagonal) at 1:59:19 (Thomas) and at 1:59:53 (Daniel): CAPITULUM hujus ... notum facit ... et confero. Datum Compostellae die ...
The (not very) 'hairy hand' is Martin Sheen's (or a hand model's, I suppose), well over to the right of the screen.

Shame it's not PC49, he'd have sorted it out in no time (lame joke about a fiction British "Bobby" known to us of a "certain age")

 

[Jeff Crawley]

Even they made the mistake of putting the apostrophe in "O Cebreiro". Why acknowledge the Parador in Santiago twice (Parador Hostal dos Reis Católicos ... Parador Hostal de los Reyes Católicos)?

The first is the name in Gallego, the second is its name in Castillano - keeping both factions happy?.

 

[Jeff Crawley]

So what do we do for the rest of the week?

 

[Bert45]

Time to check the adjacent communities, then. The style makes me feel that it's probably an 18th or 19th century church to the west of Santiago.

When I looked at that site that lists all the churches in Galicia, and looked at Ames, Dumbria and Mazaricos, there were so many churches that were without a photo, I could not say that it definitely was not there. I had used Streetview to look at one church in each above-named village, rather than all the churches in the administrative area. (I have seen that you have found the church.)

 

[Bert45]

You can PM me the beans, but give everyone else hints, cuz I've put in the most detective work.

I beg your pardon?

 

[Bert45]

Congratulation, Raggy! I'd like to than everyone who took part in this search. If covid-19 gets me, at least I will die happy .
Now, there's just that hut where they spent the night, and the rest area (área de descanso) where Joost hugs Tom at 1:37:44 to 1:37:56 to find.

 

[NorthernLight]

What hut? Didn’t they camp out on a porch?

Pictures please. I don’t have the film

 

[Bert45]

What hut? Didn’t they camp out on a porch?

Pictures please. I don’t have the film

I managed to post pictures on my original list of locations, which I have just re-posted with Santa Maria de Figueiras added, but I can't remember how I did it. It is easier (for me) to refer you to the Youtube presentation of the film [

] and the time of 1:08:20 to 1:12:22.

 

[NorthernLight]

Yeah, thanks but that would push me over my data limit. Always a complication...

Oh, congrats on finding the church location!

 

[Walking Lover]

Walking Lover wrote: Santuario da Virxe da Barca.

Have you been paying attention? It's nothing like the Santuario da Virxe da Barca, a photo of which which you kindly attached to your post. The Santuario da Virxe da Barca is huge and it is not surrounded by a cemetery. The church I am (we are) trying to find is at 1:48:09 to 1:48:29 in the Youtube version of the film. The Santuario da Virxe da Barca is at 2:01:24 to 2:01:32 and again, briefly, at 2:02:38/40. Joost does not ring a bell at the Santuario da Virxe da Barca.

I own the movie. I forwarded it to the time you stated and this is the church at that minute in the film. With that said, and in watching the movie last night, i realized the error. The church you describe is at is at 1:42 in the Kindle version.

 

[peregrina2000]

So what do we do for the rest of the week?

I think we tell @Kathar1na that she has to come up with another challenge that will give forum members another productive way to spend their idle hours.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

I think we tell @Kathar1na that she has to come up with another challenge that will give forum members another productive way to spend their idle hours.

I think we will be more productive if each one of us gave @Kathar1na a challenge. And then each of us another one after two days after she answers all 23,000 of the first set.

 

[Deleted member 73526]

Now, there's just that hut where they spent the night, and the rest area (área de descanso) where Joost hugs Tom at 1:37:44 to 1:37:56 to find.

On the whole, it seems the scenes of the movie were filmed in the sequence that they appear in the plot, although some "filler scenes," seem to have been thrown in out of sequence when the film was edited - e.g. Joost ringing that bell.

My guess is that the camping scene with the discussion about true pilgrims and the next morning's physical struggle was a central / consequential element of the plot from the early planning stages. So I expect it's somewhere close to the location of the Casa Ramon (or somewhere close to the location of the next significant scene). It looks like it's a lean to on the side of a building - could be any house or hotel or farm building. Good luck finding that.

The area de descanso scene seems to be "filler" - a montage of general mood-setting footage. Knowing what we know about the way the film makers worked (selecting filler footage without too much regard to the location during the editing process), this could be virtually anywhere. I'm struck by one piece of the montage, where Martin Sheen's character is removing something from Joost's eye. Since the background story of Martin Sheen's character is that he was an ophthalmologist, I wonder if this footage was originally shot as part of a relationship-establishing scene that never made it into the final movie. I also wonder if some of the footage was just general interaction between the cast members. By all accounts, Martin Sheen is a lovely guy to work with (I've heard this in interviews with actors from other shows - e.g. The West Wing). You can see that in the black and white footage of the cast and crew interacting at Muxia. The look on the face of the sound guy as Martin Sheen walks back from the rocks ... the silly arm waving joke that the crew and Martin Sheen share during the group photograph at the end. Seems like it was a very warm atmosphere.

 

[Jeff Crawley]

I think we tell @Kathar1na that she has to come up with another challenge that will give forum members another productive way to spend their idle hours.

Or we write a screenplay featuring @Kathar1na as a super sleuth solving crimes along the Way . . .

As an aside, Katharina, what is your role in life when you're not cracking Camino puzzles? I'm guessing something highly cerebral? Research? Sciences? (If you don't mind me asking?)

 

[Kathar1na]

Sciences? (If you don't mind me asking?)

I am a pensioner ☺. But, and that's probably what you are curious about, from distant memories of a very very long time ago, I can say that I once had a closer relationship with one of the hard sciences. I would go as far as to say that there is only one hard science . In those long ago times I occasionally enjoyed Martin Gardener's puzzles. Using ALL the clues to solve a puzzle, including the ones from outside the story's frame, is a good skill to develop. ☺

 

[Jeff Crawley]

I am a pensioner ☺. But, and that's probably what you are curious about, from distant memories of a very very long time ago, I can say that I once had a closer relationship with one of the hard sciences. I would go as far as to say that there is only one hard science . In those long ago times I occasionally enjoyed Martin Gardener's puzzles. Using ALL the clues to solve a puzzle, including the ones from outside the story's frame, is a good skill to develop. ☺

Yes, that doesn't surprise me. It's hard to retire an analytical mind!

Martin Gardener is a name I associated with magic - did not know of his many, many other facets - and I came upon him again only last summer at a seminar on illusion, psychology and deception and its place in the modern world.

Keep on solving!

 

[Bert45]

Or we write a screenplay featuring @Kathar1na as a super sleuth solving crimes along the Way . . .

As an aside, Katharina, what is your role in life when you're not cracking Camino puzzles? I'm guessing something highly cerebral? Research? Sciences? (If you don't mind me asking?)

Exsqueeze me, Jeff, but it was Raggy who solved the puzzle. Kathar1na made some useful suggestions, and told me what TIFF meant, but not a lot more. And it was I who set the puzzle (not Kathar1na). My physics teacher reckoned that physics was the 'best' science. He thought that mathematics was useless unless it was applied to physics, and chemistry is simply applied physics. Biology is simply the hobby of collecting things.

 

[Kathar1na]

Martin Gardener is a name I associated with magic - did not know of his many, many other facets - and I came upon him again only last summer at a seminar on illusion, psychology and deception and its place in the modern world.

Some of it resurfaces in my mind now, and I've just learnt that I am not the only one.

The problem of The Monkey and the Coconuts which nearly broke me, and the other one, though that wasn't Gardener I think, the one with the three doors during a TV game show, a probability problem, which I didn't solve on my own beforehand but at least I managed to understand the solution and the steps leading to it.

 

[Jeff Crawley]

Exsqueeze me, Jeff, but it was Raggy who solved the puzzle. Kathar1na made some useful suggestions, and told me what TIFF meant, but not a lot more. And it was I who set the puzzle (not Kathar1na). My physics teacher reckoned that physics was the 'best' science. He thought that mathematics was useless unless it was applied to physics, and chemistry is simply applied physics. Biology is simply the hobby of collecting things.

Point taken! So in the screenplay scenario

@Bert45 plays the Cunning Mastermind who's plan to take over the world will be successful unless the riddle is solved
@Kathar1na heads up an International Team of Sleuths
@Raggy is the plucky sidekick who does all the legwork and comes up with the solution to the puzzle at the eleventh hour . . .

 

[Jeff Crawley]

Some of it resurfaces in my mind now, and I've just learnt that I am not the only one.

The problem of The Monkey and the Coconuts which nearly broke me, and the other one, though that wasn't Gardener I think, the one with the three doors during a TV game show, a probability problem, which I didn't solve on my own beforehand but at least I managed to understand the solution and the steps leading to it.

I read about the Monkey and the Coconuts this afternoon. I'll stick to cryptic crosswords.

 

[jsalt]

Thoroughly enjoyed this thread! My only contribution was that the cemetery must be off the camino otherwise it would have been recognised, but I love puzzles and seeing how people tackle them from different directions, and how they eventually come to a positive conclusion. It’s like my genealogy sleuthing – someone somewhere has the answer to getting over that brick wall.

 

[Kathar1na]

It’s like my genealogy sleuthing – someone somewhere has the answer to getting over that brick wall.

It's really the synergy of many that led to the answer. I had been looking for this wretched church (pardon my language ) repeatedly in the past, without success. I'd like to thank in particular @Saint Mike II for telling us that "it was the last film scene shot and that Joost had to (almost literally) jump on a plane to go directly to film 'The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo'" which narrowed the search significantly, and @mark connolly for reminding us of the credits again. And there it was suddenly, in plain view, shouting: "Here I am, here I am".

 

[Saint Mike II]

This is why I asked whether someone who owns the DVD with the comments about individual scenes would be so kind to post a transcript of what is said about this scene. There may be a minute clue in it that could help with the search. Unless guesswork has already solved the conundrum? If so, it would be useful if an actual photo or other image of the church in question is posted here. I did not check up on any of the suggestions made so far.

I played the Extra Commentary a day or so ago and the transcript does not provide any more information other than it was the last scene filmed. Martin makes a comment that it was a beautiful church - which then leads into the others saying that it was the last scene filmed.
If you have access to the film you will see that this "last scene" is then edited in immediately before they reach O'Cebreiro and the commentary then of course moves on to the filming of this scene. So no real help. Cheers

 

[Saint Mike II]

After Muxia, they apparently filmed for three days in Madrid and for one day in Marrakesh, according to La Voz de Galicia. And below are the credits with the thank yous for Galicia. It doesn't mean that there are scenes in the movie from all these places but may we safely assume that all the scenes filmed in Galicia were filmed in one of the places referenced below?

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Does any one know why (former) US President Bill Clinton gets a thank you given that by the time of filming he was out of office 8 years.
I am not sure if brother Charlie Sheen gets a mention - he should because when they came to do the final editing and putting the music into place they were over $2 million US short - which he then contributed.
Thanks

 

[Bert45]

I played the Extra Commentary a day or so ago and the transcript does not provide any more information other than it was the last scene filmed. Martin makes a comment that it was a beautiful church - which then leads into the others saying that it was the last scene filmed.
If you have access to the film you will see that this "last scene" is then edited in immediately before they reach O'Cebreiro and the commentary then of course moves on to the filming of this scene. So no real help. Cheers

But which church were they talking about? What scene were they talking about? They might have been talking about La Virxe de la Barca at Muxía, if that was the last scene filmed. That church is certainly more impressive than the small church at Figueiras, I don't know about 'beautiful'. The church at Figueiras is very much like many others from the outside, nothing especially beautiful about it. They could have been referring to the church in its setting – the cemetery with all the flowers. However, it seems they they were talking about the church at Figueiras, which they must have filmed on the way back to Santiago from Muxía. That's why we (Kathar1na and I) wanted a transcript of that part of the interview. But it's not necessary now, of course. The village that comes after that scene has been edited in is O Cebreiro [El Cebrero in Spanish]. It seems that Brierley may be responsible for popularising the apostrophe. It's wrong in the credits too. It's a pet peeve of mine.

 

[Saint Mike II]

But which church were they talking about? What scene were they talking about? They might have been talking about La Virxe de la Barca at Muxía, if that was the last scene filmed. That church is certainly more impressive than the small church at Figueiras, I don't know about 'beautiful'. The church at Figueiras is very much like many others from the outside, nothing especially beautiful about it. They could have been referring to the church in its setting – the cemetery with all the flowers. However, it seems they they were talking about the church at Figueiras, which they must have filmed on the way back to Santiago from Muxía. That's why we (Kathar1na and I) wanted a transcript of that part of the interview. But it's not necessary now, of course. The village that comes after that scene has been edited in is O Cebreiro [El Cebrero in Spanish]. It seems that Brierley may be responsible for popularising the apostrophe. It's wrong in the credits too. It's a pet peeve of mine.

Please Bert - slow down!! The transcript is not going to help - it 10/15/20 words at most and as there is only ONE church in view as they talk then I take it to be the church with the bell/rope and cemetry.

 

[Bert45]

It seems that the scene at Figueiras was not the very last scene they filmed. I wonder what they filmed in Madrid. (Kathar1na's post #99 on the previous page.) Then they took a crew to Marrakesh for 29 seconds of film on screen. [Is saying 'the very last' the same as saying 'very unique', i.e. wrong?]

 

[Kathar1na]

A thank you is given to the Community de Madrid Club de Golf "La Herreria". It is possible that the golf course scene was filmed there, I don't know.

Well spotted, @mark connolly! They really fooled me there ☺.

I had, of course, assumed that they played golf in California. But no, they played golf in Madrid in what is apparently the most beautiful golf course of all of Spain:

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

Does any one know why (former) US President Bill Clinton gets a thank you given that by the time of filming he was out of office 8 years.

I don't know but in this case I'll make a guess. For advice on how to portray a president on The West Wing.

 

[Bert45]

Well spotted, @mark connolly! They really fooled me there ☺.

I had, of course, assumed that they played golf in California. But no, they played golf in Madrid in what is apparently the most beautiful golf course of all of Spain:

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I've read somewhere else that the golf course is 80 km from Madrid, but it's not; it's 49 km from Plaza Mayor, Madrid. I suppose, to an American, 49 km from Madrid counts as still in Madrid. Although Estevez says in one interview that they shot the film in sequence, we know very well that they didn't. A lot of it they did, but some of it – like the church at Figueiras – they didn't. Some scenes might have been edited into the wrong sequence – like Orisson. A great piece of picture research, Kathar1na! I wondered if anyone could have identified the species of trees at the golf course and been able to say they don't grow in California.
Waiting for a clue to the location of the overnight 'wild camping' stay.

 

[Kathar1na]

Does any one know why (former) US President Bill Clinton gets a thank you given that by the time of filming he was out of office 8 years.

Is the thank you to Bill Clinton in the credits of the movie or in the commentary that you have on your DVD? Google says that Bill Clinton and Martin Sheen are friends and that Clinton was the keynote speaker at a premiere/prerelease screening in New York. Which was for the benefit of a charity called Walkabout Foundation. They provide wheelchairs to paralyzed people around the world who cannot afford them. My guess is that Clinton helped with the promotion which was important for Sheen/Estevez as they did the distribution/promotion on their own at first.

See for example: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/bill-clinton-attends-premiere-way-245255

 

[Deleted member 73526]

Apart from assisting with the promotion, is it possible that Bill Clinton also helped with requests to film in places like the cathedral? I have no idea how these things work, but I guess that someone like Clinton knows people who know people who know the bishop.

 

[Pelegrin]

Well spotted, @mark connolly! They really fooled me there ☺.

I had, of course, assumed that they played golf in California. But no, they played golf in Madrid in what is apparently the most beautiful golf course of all of Spain:

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Yes, I think that the hill behind is La Machota alta (S,SW). There is a rebollo (Quercus Pyrinaica) on a photo (right) very common in the area.
This golf course is located between the Monasterio del Escorial and the Silla de Felipe II, from where supposedly the king watched the Monasterio construction.

 

[Saint Mike II]

Well spotted, @mark connolly! They really fooled me there ☺.

I had, of course, assumed that they played golf in California. But no, they played golf in Madrid in what is apparently the most beautiful golf course of all of Spain:

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No apart from those opening coastal shots in Ventura County the rest of the movie was filmed in Spain. The golf course was somewhere outside of Madrid.

 

[BKEpps]

From the context of the movie, it looks like it's between Cruz de Ferro and O'Cebreiro - although there are some scenes filmed out of sequence. I remember walking through a few cemetery / chapels like this along the way. I'm not sure if they were parish churches though.

It's hard to go by the context of the film, as it's not completely in order. He arrives in Roncesvalles on the first night and is sitting outside of Orisson like, 3 days later. And they are walking in the wrong direction in O'Cebreiro and on the road past Religios. That church actually looks like one that we saw 1 day out of Santiago on the Portuguese route.

 

[peregrina2000]

It's hard to go by the context of the film, as it's not completely in order. He arrives in Roncesvalles on the first night and is sitting outside of Orisson like, 3 days later. And they are walking in the wrong direction in O Cebreiro and on the road past Religios. That church actually looks like one that we saw 1 day out of Santiago on the Portuguese route.

The church has been identified, as has the golf course, just see further up in the thread. I am going to pull out the shelter question and make it a separate thread to avoid confusion.

 

[Bert45]

It's hard to go by the context of the film, as it's not completely in order. He arrives in Roncesvalles on the first night and is sitting outside of Orisson like, 3 days later. And they are walking in the wrong direction in O'Cebreiro and on the road past Religios. That church actually looks like one that we saw 1 day out of Santiago on the Portuguese route.

The church was found at post #115, Tuesday! Four days ago. For the rest, and more, check out my other thread Locations used in "The Way".

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

Here is the thread Locations used in "The Way".

https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/locations-used-in-the-way.67359/

 

[wisepilgrim]

I know where it is. Until recently, it was in my own backyard!

 

[gypsy9]

Warning Bert, this is a vague post with nebulous specifics.
I recall a cemetery on the way to Finisterre. It was run down and the flowers were dry, wilting and sad looking. I can see it in my mind's eye. It was a stage of the Camino where I was desperate for water and spied a tap in the Cemetary. I had to jump a gate to get in, which I did. It was not as fancy as this one in the movie, however...but there are similarities. It was in a leafy part of the Camino, on a corner before you made a left turn down a long street...that passed a white house ...and then more forest track to a village... I am not recalling. Maybe the building is not a church at all but a mausoleum. And maybe John Brieley would know

 

[Bert45]

I know where it is. Until recently, it was in my own backyard!

Why didn't you tell us a week ago, and save us (me) a lot of grief?

 

[Bert45]

Warning Bert, this is a vague post with nebulous specifics.
I recall a cemetery on the way to Finisterre. It was run down and the flowers were dry, wilting and sad looking. I can see it in my mind's eye. It was a stage of the Camino where I was desperate for water and spied a tap in the Cemetary. I had to jump a gate to get in, which I did. It was not as fancy as this one in the movie, however...but there are similarities. It was in a leafy part of the Camino, on a corner before you made a left turn down a long street...that passed a white house ...and then more forest track to a village... I am not recalling. Maybe the building is not a church at all but a mausoleum. And maybe John Brieley would know

Holy Moly! Please read this page from the start.
nebulous specifics – that is what is known as an oxymoron.
So you're basically saying that you vaguely remember a cemetery that was similar to the one we were looking for, till Raggy found it.

 

[Tracey Neal]

I sat on the steps there and ate lunch but can't remember where it was and did not take any pictures

 

[Bert45]

I'm torn between saying "Well, that's a fat lot of use!" and saying, "Well, now you know where it is!" (if you go back to post #115 on this page, or, if that's not enough, #118).

 

[Saint Mike II]

Is the thank you to Bill Clinton in the credits of the movie or in the commentary that you have on your DVD? Google says that Bill Clinton and Martin Sheen are friends and that Clinton was the keynote speaker at a premiere/prerelease screening in New York. Which was for the benefit of a charity called Walkabout Foundation. They provide wheelchairs to paralyzed people around the world who cannot afford them. My guess is that Clinton helped with the promotion which was important for Sheen/Estevez as they did the distribution/promotion on their own at first.

See for example: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/bill-clinton-attends-premiere-way-245255

Hola Kathar - its in the credits. There is no mention of any assistance from the President. Although I know from an outside source that the two are close friends. In fact in the last year of Clinton's presidency he invited the cast and producers/directors to visit the White House. One of the cast wanted to see the "real" Oval Office and of course the security people would not let her in. Martin Sheen just walked up to the guards, showed them an invitation card signed personally by Clinton and immediate access was granted.
The access they received to shoot inside the Santiago Cathedral was only granted a day or so before the shooting deadline and was apparently given by the bishop personally. At the time of the filming this was the only occasion on which filming access has been granted as was Emilio's participation in joining the crew of the tiraboleiro. He makes the comment that he felt very special to be so honoured. Cheers

 

[Bert45]

Bill Clinton is not in the credits of the version on Youtube and he's not mentioned in the credits of my 123 minutes DVD, which also omits all the thanks to the various autonomous regions of Spain, to their individual ayuntamientos and to the various hotels they stayed at. Which DVD do you have, Mike?

 

[taigirl]

If you're not too busy, I'd like to ask you to take a look at the church where Joost rings the bell near the end of the film "The Way". It is the last location I would like to identify, having identified all the others that I want to identify. If you know where it is, please put me out of my misery and tell me. It's at 1:48:09 to 1:48:29 in the copy of the film on Youtube:

[There are no subtitles in Spanish or any other language.] I have tried contacting the Spanish location director -- no luck. I have a copy of the script and list of locations, but both were prepared before the film was made, and this scene is not mentioned in either. Surely somebody knows where it is?

If you watch Efren Gonzales Vlog on Camino Portugese, there is a very similar church on the way to Finisterre. Like you, I didnt remember that on my CF but was surprised to see it on the youtube clip.

 

[Bert45]

If you watch Efren Gonzales Vlog on Camino Portugese, there is a very similar church on the way to Finisterre.
Could you be a bit more precise, please, taigirl? I just skipped through his Portugués vlogs, and they end at Santiago. I then looked at his vlog to Fisterra. The first day he went to Vilaserío. It seems unlikely that he would go near Figueiras on that journey. Can you give the link to the episode and the time on the vlog when you saw the church? The church where Joost rings the bell was found at Post #115 (or #118 if you didn't get it at #115), so I am not interested in churches that are similar to the church at Figueiras.

 

[Kathar1na]

Emilio Estevez speaking about miracles and things happening for a reason:

While flying to Madrid for the Spanish premiere of the film last October [2010], Estevez was introduced to Rolando Gonzalez-Bunster, who is on the board of the William J. Clinton Foundation as well as the father of Walkabout Foundation founders Carolina and Luis Gonzalez-Bunster. The former president, whose own charity works closely with Walkabout, was on hand at the screening and spoke after the film about the importance of the cause. ​

​

“You know, I don’t believe in coincidence,” Estevez mused. “I believe that there are things that happen for a reason and that you are in the place where you are when they happen for a reason. And you meet people in that moment for a reason. And I was on that plane last October to meet Rolando and to create this event tonight. It’s been truly miraculous.”​

​

The New York premiere of The Way took place in October 2011. Proceeds of the $300-per-ticket event benefited The Walkabout Foundation that focuses on funding research to find a cure for paralysis and donates easily-repairable all-terrain wheelchairs to people in need around the world. The wheelchairs, of which one was donated for every person in the audience [...]

 

[Kathar1na]

If you watch Efren Gonzales Vlog on Camino Portugese, there is a very similar church on the way to Finisterre. Like you, I didnt remember that on my CF but was surprised to see it on the youtube clip.

@taigirl, perhaps you mean this church (see below) on Efren's Camino de Fisterra Vlog 02?

You made an astute observation: churches, and cemeteries for that matter, look amazingly similar in a given area. When you walk for thousands of miles through Europe, or for hundreds of miles through Spain for that matter, you can nicely observe the gradual change from churches with square bell towers to churches with bell gables, from cemeteries with earth graves densely planted with bright seasonal flowers to stone cemeteries with niche graves.

 

[Pelegrin]

@taigirl, perhaps you mean this church (see below) on Efren's Camino de Fisterra Vlog 02?

You made an astute observation: churches, and cemeteries for that matter, look amazingly similar in a given area. When you walk for thousands of miles through Europe, or for hundreds of miles through Spain for that matter, you can nicely observe the gradual change from churches with square bell towers to churches with bell gables, from cemeteries with earth graves densely planted with bright seasonal flowers to stone cemeteries with niche graves.

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And cemeteries with the church (parish) inside. This only happens in Galicia in cemeteries owned by the Church. There are also municipal cemeteries in bigger towns with no church inside.
In the case of the parish of Figueiras (officially Santa Maria de Figueiras), which is part of the Santiago municipality, the church and the cemetery give service to 12 different population entities.

 

[VNwalking]

And cemeteries with the church (parish) inside. This only happens in Galicia in cemeteries owned by the Church.

On the Invierno, there were a few very touching examples of this. Obviously old, where the precinct was so small that the entire pavement was graves.

 

[Pelegrin]

On the Invierno, there were a few very touching examples of this. Obviously old, where the precinct was so small that the entire pavement was graves.

I have never seen anything like that. This must be a very old cemetery.

 

[VNwalking]

I have never seen anything like that. This must be a very old cemetery.

It seemed so. Here's the wider view.

Osmand reminds me this is is Parroquia San Xiao de Pedroso in A Eirexe, and looking it up, I found this:

Iglesia de San Xulián de Pedroso -
La iglesia parroquial de San Xulián es románica, muy transformada, si bien el conservado de la fábrica permitiría datarla en el año 1200. En ella destaca una virgen gótica de madera, datable de finales del siglo XIII, que evoca la imaginería de los tímpanos compostelanos

 

[Pelegrin]

It seemed so. Here's the wider view.
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Osmand reminds me this is is Parroquia San Xiao de Pedroso in A Eirexe, and looking it up, I found this:

"A Eirexe" and "A Igrexa" mean the same: The Church in Galego. There are 821 villages/hamlets in Galicia called either Igrexa or Eirexe.
This is completely off topic (sorry) but I thought it could be interesting.

 

[VNwalking]

It is. Thank you.
It sure would have been nice to see the inside of that church, but it was a tiny hamlet and seemed deserted except for a vigilant barking dog.

 

[wisepilgrim]

Why didn't you tell us a week ago, and save us (me) a lot of grief?

Unfortunately I didn't see the post, twas doing other stuff. BUT..

Here is some fun trivia for you. Just down the road from the church is the print shop that prints the Wise Pilgrim books and maps, AND the Pilgrim Credentials AND the Compostela Certificates. They also do the tubes to protect the Compostelas.

 

[Bert45]

The screenshot from Efren's vlog, in Kathar1na's post #172, is the church of Santiago at Olveiroa.

 

[Bert45]

Unfortunately I didn't see the post, twas doing other stuff. BUT..

Here is some fun trivia for you. Just down the road from the church is the print shop that prints the Wise Pilgrim books and maps, AND the Pilgrim Credentials AND the Compostela Certificates. They also do the tubes to protect the Compostelas.

Excellent! That is fun trivia. What a coincidence! Or, should I say, along with Emilio (see Post #171), that it happened for a reason?

 

[Kathar1na]

We've already identified several churches but there is still at least one yet to be identified church. It appears during the introduction, it is not linked to a particular scene. I could have sworn I walked past it on a rainy day looking either for food or for the camino out of town but I must have been wrong. So ... did anyone see a church like this in Castrojeriz?

 

[Bert45]

Yes, I did! But I didn't know till you told me. I've had a beer at the bar on the right. You know, Kathar1na, you are now the apple of my eye!
[In case you don't get it I'll put the name on my big list.]
It is also shown on my other thread So what ...

 

[Saint Mike II]

Bill Clinton is not in the credits of the version on Youtube and he's not mentioned in the credits of my 123 minutes DVD, which also omits all the thanks to the various autonomous regions of Spain, to their individual ayuntamientos and to the various hotels they stayed at. Which DVD do you have, Mike?

I have the original DVD (as I say above from 6 or so years back). Pres Clinton is in that group of many many people who thanked for their assistancd.

 

[Kathar1na]

I have the original DVD (as I say above from 6 or so years back). Pres Clinton is in that group of many many people who thanked for their assistancd.

@Saint Mike II, that DVD seems to be a real treasure trove ☺ .

I wondered in another thread (click here) whether they say something about the "shelter" location in the comments on the DVD to which most of us don't have access. I'd be curious to know.

The "shelter" location is the place where they "camp out" and talk about a "true pilgrim experience". They have a campfire in the evening and in the morning there is a misunderstanding between Tom and Sarah with a violent reaction on her side. It's about 1 hour into the movie. Do they say anything about the location on your DVD?

 

[Saint Mike II]

@Saint Mike II, that DVD seems to be a real treasure trove ☺ .

I wondered in another thread (click here) whether they say something about the "shelter" location in the comments on the DVD to which most of us don't have access. I'd be curious to know.

The "shelter" location is the place where they "camp out" and talk about a "true pilgrim experience". They have a campfire in the evening and in the morning there is a misunderstanding between Tom and Sarah with a violent reaction on her side. It's about 1 hour into the movie. Do they say anything about the location on your DVD?

Hola KatharIna - I have been doing some research into that location. In the extra commentary it gets referred to as both a "dis-used" church and then later a church that gets used once per month. About 2,7 km on from Torres del Rio there is a church that I have visited twice (in 2015 when there was a coffee van) and again in 2017 just to check it out to see if it fits the scenes from the film. But I was never able to reconcile the features - especially the "porch" where they all sleep, although they do mention how one of the crew takes a wrench and removes guard rail so they could shoot the scene and that church does have a guard rail. But the scene after that where they follow a green tractor is in the general area.
I think we could go on almost forever examining this film and would still have "discussions" as to who is right and who is wrong. Cheers for now M

 

[Kathar1na]

I have been doing some research into that location. In the extra commentary it gets referred to as both a "dis-used" church and then later a church that gets used once per month. About 2,7 km on from Torres del Rio there is a church that I have visited twice (in 2015 when there was a coffee van) and again in 2017 just to check it out to see if it fits the scenes from the film. But I was never able to reconcile the features - especially the "porch" where they all sleep, although they do mention how one of the crew takes a wrench and removes guard rail so they could shoot the scene and that church does have a guard rail. But the scene after that where they follow a green tractor is in the general area.

Now we're are talking . You are a well of information, @Saint Mike II. Thank you for taking the time and for posting this info here. I've been wondering about the guard rails. I'll transfer some of this info into the "Guess where the shelter is" thread. Ever tiny bit of information can make a difference. We're going to get there before the lockdown ends, I'm confident of it.

 

[Bert45]

One of my other threads is not getting much reaction: https://www.caminodesantiago.me/com...o-for-the-rest-of-the-week.67364/#post-845181 There are still some locations to be found there.
In case you are thinking, "He's asking us to do all the work while he sits back and takes the credit," (true) I have posted the route of the chase through Burgos (which I did all by myself) here: https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/locations-used-in-the-way.67359/#post-845258

 

[Saint Mike II]

Some of the locations have changed in the 10 or more years since the film was shot. The road into Torres del Rio (the one they walk along - heading East not West (the sunlight back drop was required) was significantly altered when I waled it in 2017 (May) - the surface had been resealed and some other works also;
The cafe/bar in Burgos where the backpack is stolen was still the same in 2015 there was still some The Way posters, but when I was there in 2017 new owners had done a full renovation - not much of a welcome for pilgrims or film tragics;
The Cafe in Pamplona is or was still the same when I had lunch there in May 2017 (still no lamb - but a great range of lunchtime salads);
I have staid in the Parador San Marcos (twice - in 2015 and again in 2017), unfortunately they do not let you see those two rooms (Tom's and Jack's - 459 and 465 as I seem to recall, but don't hold me to it). Of course as many will know the hotel is undergoing a major renovation. All except the 16thC front has been demolished. There was a recent post that they were expecting to re-open at the end of May this year. How Covid 19 has affected this I can only guess.
O'Cebreiro - no changes (or at least non in 2017). Cheers for now its lunch time!!

 

[RENSHAW]

Hint 4 - I'll post the answer when I wake up if you haven't Figueired it out by then.

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You guys are amazing

 

[Kelly Ann]

Thanks so much for posting the film! I've seen these posts before but never took the time to check the video out as I thought it was just a short, but today I checked it out and realized it was the entire film which I was so happy to discover as I've always wanted to see this film but never had the chance and heard about the Camino before I ever heard about the film.

 

[Carolyn Parent]

If you're not too busy, I'd like to ask you to take a look at the church where Joost rings the bell near the end of the film "The Way". It is the last location I would like to identify, having identified all the others that I want to identify. If you know where it is, please put me out of my misery and tell me. It's at 1:48:09 to 1:48:29 in the copy of the film on Youtube:

[There are no subtitles in Spanish or any other language.] I have tried contacting the Spanish location director -- no luck. I have a copy of the script and list of locations, but both were prepared before the film was made, and this scene is not mentioned in either. Surely somebody knows where it is?

Has anyone tried to contact Emilio about his? He might answer this question that our quarantine selves need to know

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

Has anyone tried to contact Emilio about his? He might answer this question that our quarantine selves need to know

@Raggy got it. See post 109 through post 118.

 

[Bert45]

Has anyone tried to contact Emilio about his? He might answer this question that our quarantine selves need to know

Rick got there before me, Carolyn. You obviously have not read the first 118 posts on this thread, apart from the first one. Have you ever tried to contact a famous movie star/film director? It's not easy. They don't broadcast their email addresses from the rooftops. Also, if the location manager can't remember where it was, I don't think that there is much chance that Mr Estevez will remember, even if he ever knew the name of the church. It's over 10 years ago that they made the movie. I tried to contact Yorick van Wageningen, and Emilio Estevez through their agents ages ago. No reply.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

There has been another request for identifying a The Way location. See the following link to the thread.

https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/another-the-way-filming-location-query.67517

 

[waterdog205]

Not sure if I am jumping into the thread at the right place after scrolling so many pages, but the beginning of this scene is almost certainly O'Cebreiro. The building directly behind them is the restaurant that is run by the same lady that manages the convent (now a hotel). To the right of that building is St. Mary's 0 a small chapel originally built in the early 900 and the burial site of the priest who started the whole "flecha" thing to help pilgrims. The cemetery looks very familiar but I can't recall exactly where it is - there are so many that are like that.

 

[Bert45]

Not sure if I am jumping into the thread at the right place after scrolling so many pages, but the beginning of this scene is almost certainly O'Cebreiro. The building directly behind them is the restaurant that is run by the same lady that manages the convent (now a hotel). To the right of that building is St. Mary's 0 a small chapel originally built in the early 900 and the burial site of the priest who started the whole "flecha" thing to help pilgrims. The cemetery looks very familiar but I can't recall exactly where it is - there are so many that are like that.

Sorry, waterdog, you are jumping in at the wrong place. The church was found a lifetime ago (seems like). There is no such place as O'Cebreiro – it's O Cebreiro. Check posts #109 to 118.

 

[RobWen]

Igrexa de Santa María de Figueiras

Its about 1km north off the route to Fisterra (Route marked by brown line).

 

[Bert45]

I have asked a Moderator to close this thread, so I don't get any more notifications of posts "helping" me to find the church.