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BobMcGhee

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Hi, I’m Bob (66) from the Robin Hood area of the UK.
Planning to travel to sjpdp on 31/8/21 and start on 1st September, COVID permitting.
Looking forward to the “unknown” with growing excitement and trepidation at the same time.
I’m not sure why it is becoming more and more obsessive.
Training is going well, although not many hills in the Trent Valley, hoping to get into Derbyshire for more testing of the legs, feet and breathing!
 
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Hi Bob,

You must be very excited since your planned departure is just a few months away. We all have felt that combo of trepidation/excitement before the big day; it's a great tonic!
Please continue to keep in touch as your plans develop.

Happy training and, in the truest sense, Ultreia.
 
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Hi, I’m Bob (66) from the Robin Hood area of the UK.
Planning to travel to sjpdp on 31/8/21 and start on 1st September, COVID permitting.
Looking forward to the “unknown” with growing excitement and trepidation at the same time.
I’m not sure why it is becoming more and more obsessive.
Training is going well, although not many hills in the Trent Valley, hoping to get into Derbyshire for more testing of the legs, feet and breathing!
Good luck with the training.

If you don't have time pressure and haven't booked yet can I suggest taking the train to SJPDP rather than flying. I did this in July from London. I took Eurostar at c8am and was there at about 6pm local time, after changing in Paris and Bayonne.

I realise that you would have to travel and stay in London overnight (or you could overnight in Paris) but it made the journey feel much more like part of the Camino than when I have flown to Spain.
 
Hi Bob, I'm Eric, from Canada. I like to say that your Camino has already started. The interest, research, training, getting comfortable with shoes and gear, reaching out to this community, and yes the obsession, is all part of the process. Enjoy every bit, even the hills, haha, it will enhance your life forever. Good luck, Buen Camino
 
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Hi, I’m Bob (66) from the Robin Hood area of the UK.
Planning to travel to sjpdp on 31/8/21 and start on 1st September, COVID permitting.
Looking forward to the “unknown” with growing excitement and trepidation at the same time.
I’m not sure why it is becoming more and more obsessive.
Training is going well, although not many hills in the Trent Valley, hoping to get into Derbyshire for more testing of the legs, feet and breathing!
Keep us posted as the time gets closer
 
Good luck and Buen Camino, Bob. Glad to hear there are definite plans being made; for me, the anticipation is the beginning of the Camino. All the planning, reading, maps, pictures, etc... are a major part of the trek. Hope you have a safe and wonderful trip.
Next year for me... 2021 is already full of non-Camino activities.
 
We all have trepidations before our first Camino. I will start Camino number 6 in Sevilla cone October 15th and I still have some doubts and worries. It is normal and part of the fun. In no time at all you will be walking like a pilgrim. Just listen to your body, find your rhythm and pace and you can’t go wrong. Enjoy it all you are only a virgin pilgrim once!!!
 
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Good luck with the training.

If you don't have time pressure and haven't booked yet can I suggest taking the train to SJPDP rather than flying. I did this in July from London. I took Eurostar at c8am and was there at about 6pm local time, after changing in Paris and Bayonne.

I realise that you would have to travel and stay in London overnight (or you could overnight in Paris) but it made the journey feel much more like part of the Camino than when I have flown to Spain.
Great minds!
I am waiting for ECML to sort out their timetable so I can leave Newark just before 6 and as you say arrive in SJPDP at 18:11!
I had hoped to walk on to Orisson but can’t make their mealtime of 18:30, so it looks like an overnight in SJPDP & off for the “adventure “
 
Great minds!
I am waiting for ECML to sort out their timetable so I can leave Newark just before 6 and as you say arrive in SJPDP at 18:11!
I had hoped to walk on to Orisson but can’t make their mealtime of 18:30, so it looks like an overnight in SJPDP & off for the “adventure “
I’m so glad that I stopped at Orisson for the first night. It was very strange having the hostel to my self, but it allowed me to arrive at Roncavelles without any leg injuries the following day. It would have been a tough first day otherwise, as many of the walkers I met the second night confirmed.
 
We loved the walk in the Sept. weather when we went, and stayed in Orissa the first night as well, just to shake off the jet lag.
My only suggestion for training is make sure you actually walk with your weighted pack, we ran into a lot of people who spent all their training time time walking distance, but without the weight. A pack will change your pace a bit.
Will also encourage you to ensure what you have in the pack is 100% needed!
Otherwise, enjoy!
 
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You won't regret training on hills WITH your loaded pack particularly in the first week of the camino. I live and trained in East Anglia and did regret not doing much more on the hills. Unfortunately they are in short supply here. Good luck.
 
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Great minds!
I am waiting for ECML to sort out their timetable so I can leave Newark just before 6 and as you say arrive in SJPDP at 18:11!
I had hoped to walk on to Orisson but can’t make their mealtime of 18:30, so it looks like an overnight in SJPDP & off for the “adventure “
I also have a flight booked out of Newark (departs 7:30pm) Sept 1 and arrives in Madrid the next morning. I'm going on to Pamplona and will relax and take a jet lag day. A day in SJPP is always a good time, too. It's a refundable ticket. We shall see!
 
I'm looking at a late August start and early October finish on the Frances from Burgos to Santiago. Considering the Camino de Madrid as an alternative if I hear albergues are going to be too full. I've been training since my plans for last year were canceled. I've done a number of virtual walks in that time (Camino Frances, GR20 in Corsica, John Muir Trail, Scottish Highlands Way and the Superior Hiking Trail) but there's a hunger only the real thing can provide.
 
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I am planning on a 3-week journet sometime in early September, date dependent on the cheap air fares. Start in Roncevalles and end up in Burgos. Hopefully, will have a few days left over so I can bus back to SJPdP and work my way up the Pyrenees. At 76 with bad knees and back, doing the climb first might result in my spending 3 weeks on my back. Walked from Burgos to Carrion 3 years ago, then from Lugo to Santiago. At this rate I will be in my 80s when I complete the Camino!
 
You won't regret training on hills WITH your loaded pack particularly in the first week of the camino. I live and trained in East Anglia and did regret not doing much more on the hills. Unfortunately they are in short supply here. Good luck.
Having lived in Sudbury for many years, yes there are similar hill issues to Newark. I am a little fortunate in having Derbyshire about 3/4 - an hour away.
 
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I'm looking at a late August start and early October finish on the Frances from Burgos to Santiago. Considering the Camino de Madrid as an alternative if I hear albergues are going to be too full. I've been training since my plans for last year were canceled. I've done a number of virtual walks in that time (Camino Frances, GR20 in Corsica, John Muir Trail, Scottish Highlands Way and the Superior Hiking Trail) but there's a hunger only the real thing can provide.
Can I suggest you add the West Highland Way to your list, fabulous scenery all the way. Just watch out for the migies from middle of May to August. Only about 5 - 6 day walk, and it may rain :) .
 
I am planning on a 3-week journet sometime in early September, date dependent on the cheap air fares. Start in Roncevalles and end up in Burgos. Hopefully, will have a few days left over so I can bus back to SJPdP and work my way up the Pyrenees. At 76 with bad knees and back, doing the climb first might result in my spending 3 weeks on my back. Walked from Burgos to Carrion 3 years ago, then from Lugo to Santiago. At this rate I will be in my 80s when I complete the Camino!
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The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
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Hi Bob - Looks like you’ll be about 2 weeks ahead of me, so I doubt I’ll meet you on the Camino. Take care of your back & knees so yo can enjoy that adventure. I share your trepidation as I too am working through an aging and uncooperative back. But I’m driven by a quote (often used by a good friend) from George Adair: “Everything you’ve ever wanted is on the other side of fear”. Buen Camino to you as well!
 
Hi JREwing,
We’re on countdown 114 days for you and 128 for me!
I think the biggest concern is the day after day after day routine. However, I take positive thoughts from those who have completed with more years and in some cases much worse health. So sitting with a cup of tea in the spring morning sunshine and eagerly looking forward to the ups and downs (physical and mental and geographic). Bob
 
All taken into accounts, I will likely be less than a week ahead of you. Keep an eye out, especially at the wine fountain at Irache, just past Estella. I may be found sitting on a bench enjoying the current vintage.
Do find a big bench Arn; your digital friends might wish to also take a cup for Auld Lang Syne.
 
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All taken into accounts, I will likely be less than a week ahead of you. Keep an eye out, especially at the wine fountain at Irache, just past Estella. I may be found sitting on a bench enjoying the current vintage.
With covid very much in the picture will the monks seriously have that fountain open? I, for one, will not stop there in Sept.21!
 
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All said, reading information on the Forum, the Camino Discussion Group and other credible sources, I am confident this Fall will see me and many others walking the Way.
 
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With covid very much in the picture will the monks seriously have that fountain open? I, for one, will not stop there in Sept.21!
I can't see a problem if you take your own cup (not bottle please). The Riojas and Navarras I've consumed over the last few months have kept me remarkably free of all sorts of diabolical infections ;)
 
The next step is taken: new boots to break in New Balance 978. These are the next generation of the 900 series I have worn the past four Caminos. Black Diamond Distance Z sticks. At under $100, these are looking to be a big assistance to my stride and physical condition. And, lastly (at least for now), a new neckerchief. My old one has finally gotten threadbare, so time for a replacement.
All said, reading information on the Forum, the Camino Discussion Group and other credible sources, I am confident this Fall will see me and many others walking the Way.
Arn, you are such a positive person...kudos to you..I hope all goes well for your August departure. I will be following with interest as you hopefully lead the pack for USA citizens! 👍
 
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Hi learned pilgrims. Hoping to have a long day’all’s train travel arriving at SJPDP at 18:11. Is it ‘reasonable’ to walk up to Orrison afterwards to reduce the hill and make the following day less of task? Suggestions are it’s about a 2-3 hour walk from the station, so should be OK for daylight, although I will miss their dinner at 18:30.
 
I’m so glad that I stopped at Orisson for the first night. It was very strange having the hostel to my self, but it allowed me to arrive at Roncavelles without any leg injuries the following day. It would have been a tough first day otherwise, as many of the walkers I met the second night confirmed.
Hi Sue,
can you recall how long it took you to go from SJPDP to Orbison?
Bob
 
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It’s 7km
allow 1.5 hours or 2 hours for a leisurely strool
weather dependent and of course a bed booked
stay in sjpdp for night
@BobMcGhee So be aware, if you haven’t done much hill preparation before, it is practically all upwards and in places quite steep. Definitely good preparation for the following day and I’m certainly glad that I did break the two days. I probably took a little more than two hours but I did have to battle with putting my poncho on and off as the weather was very changeable. Buen camino
 
Hi Bob. I shall likely see you at some stage, as my flight lands in Biarritz on 31st August, and I will also travel to St Jean Pied De Port that evening, ready to start walking on 1st September 2021.

I am not planning to stay in Orisson, but instead I have booked 2 nights in SJPdP, and will get the shuttle bus up and down. The reason for this is I have a small budget, and I can get 2 nights in St Jean accommodation for the same price as 1 night in Orisson.
Does anyone know if I need to book the shuttle bus and how much it costs, or is it hop on-hop off?

It will be 3rd time lucky for my flight, as had to previously cancel in April and September 2020, due to the pandemic, but I have faith that it will go ahead this time.

I received my 1st Pfizer jab last week, and will have my 2nd in mid July, so will be fully vaccinated. All I have to do now is walk the legs off myself over the next 2 months and get myself FIT.

See you there x
 
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Hi Bob. I shall likely see you at some stage, as my flight lands in Biarritz on 31st August, and I will also travel to St Jean Pied De Port that evening, ready to start walking on 1st September 2021.

I am not planning to stay in Orisson, but instead I have booked 2 nights in SJPdP, and will get the shuttle bus up and down. The reason for this is I have a small budget, and I can get 2 nights in St Jean accommodation for the same price as 1 night in Orisson.
Does anyone know if I need to book the shuttle bus and how much it costs, or is it hop on-hop off?

It will be 3rd time lucky for my flight, as had to previously cancel in April and September 2020, due to the pandemic, but I have faith that it will go ahead this time.

I received my 1st Pfizer jab last week, and will have my 2nd in mid July, so will be fully vaccinated. All I have to do now is walk the legs off myself over the next 2 months and get myself FIT.

See you there x
Hi Lindor
Fit! I thought stopping at Orrison after the train journey would fill the day, so to speak. It should also leave me plenty of time to get down to the relative level at Roncevalles as the downhill but I currently find more knee damaging than the uphill sections.
Hope to see you en-route
Buen Camino
Bob
 
It’s 7km
allow 1.5 hours or 2 hours for a leisurely strool
weather dependent and of course a bed booked
stay in sjpdp for night
Thank you Sean
I am / was unsure whether to go straight from the train to Orrison rather than spending the night in SJPdP or having a ‘heavy’ first day up and down to Roncesvalle.
7 km, even uphill, should be comfortable and raise the heart rate a good bit. In training albeit in a relatively flat river valley I walk at about 5km/hr dropping a little on uphill and oddly slower downhill! Story of my life seems to be opposite to others😃
But 65 days and counting.
Bob
 
@BobMcGhee So be aware, if you haven’t done much hill preparation before, it is practically all upwards and in places quite steep. Definitely good preparation for the following day and I’m certainly glad that I did break the two days. I probably took a little more than two hours but I did have to battle with putting my poncho on and off as the weather was very changeable. Buen camino
Thank you Sue,
Being a contrary soul; it was mainly the downhill after the climb that tempts me to go straight from train to Orrison without the overnight in SJPdP. Training has been going well with a rapid start of 3km ‘at a good pace’ most mornings and one or two 15 - 20km walk a week. I’ll tweak these up as the countdown continues (new variants permitting). 65 days and counting.
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Hi, I’m Bob (66) from the Robin Hood area of the UK.
Planning to travel to sjpdp on 31/8/21 and start on 1st September, COVID permitting.
Looking forward to the “unknown” with growing excitement and trepidation at the same time.
I’m not sure why it is becoming more and more obsessive.
Training is going well, although not many hills in the Trent Valley, hoping to get into Derbyshire for more testing of the legs, feet and breathing!
Hi, Bob! I will be 14 days ahead of you, starting in Pamplona. I am 67. You will have a great time, and hopefully return home as a new member of the CA gang. (Caminoholics Anonymous).
 
Hi Alex
Looking forward to it, key element is tomorrow and reserving train seats, the UK has a strange way of running it’s rail network! If I can get the first train in the morning I’ll be In SJPdP by 6ish and hoping to go straight up to Orrison. Hopefully saving my legs for the downhill.
65 days to go.
Bob
 
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Hi Alex
Looking forward to it, key element is tomorrow and reserving train seats, the UK has a strange way of running it’s rail network! If I can get the first train in the morning I’ll be In SJPdP by 6ish and hoping to go straight up to Orrison. Hopefully saving my legs for the downhill.
65 days to go.
Bob
If that is 6PM I would advice to stay in SJpdP and get going next morning. You are walking in Sept. and the darkness will come fast. Not good to be walking alone in the dark up there. The climb up to Orrison is the toughest part of the crossing to Roncesvalles.

When I walked, I did that. It was good I stopped in Orrison and enjoed the mountain wievs and a communal dinner, before completing to Roncesvalles the next day.

The walk from SJpdP to Roncesvalles is by far the hardest day on the whole CF, and many have ruined their Caminos by going too hard. A break in Orrison is wise.

Just my 0.02 Euros.
 
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Thankyou very much, that's exactly the info I was looking for.

I see they also do transport from Biarritz. 4 persons for only €24pp seems quite reasonable.

Would anyone reading this like to share transport from Biarritz to St Jean with me on 31st August?
My flight from Dublin gets in at approx 13.20pm.
 
Hi, Bob! I will be 14 days ahead of you, starting in Pamplona. I am 67. You will have a great time, and hopefully return home as a new member of the CA gang. (Caminoholics Anonymous).
@alexwalker - so easy to get addicted!!! I've only completed the CF and so looking forward to getting back later this year. CP from Porto then Sarria to Santiago. :)
 
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Hi, I’m Bob (66) from the Robin Hood area of the UK.
Planning to travel to sjpdp on 31/8/21 and start on 1st September, COVID permitting.
Looking forward to the “unknown” with growing excitement and trepidation at the same time.
I’m not sure why it is becoming more and more obsessive.
Training is going well, although not many hills in the Trent Valley, hoping to get into Derbyshire for more testing of the legs, feet and breathing!
Still planning on starting 1/9/21
 
If that is 6PM I would advice to stay in SJpdP and get going next morning. You are walking in Sept. and the darkness will come fast. Not good to be walking alone in the dark up there. The climb up to Orrison is the toughest part of the crossing to Roncesvalles.

When I walked, I did that. It was good I stopped in Orrison and enjoed the mountain wievs and a communal dinner, before completing to Roncesvalles the next day.

The walk from SJpdP to Roncesvalles is by far the hardest day on the whole CF, and many have ruined their Caminos by going too hard. A break in Orrison is wise.

Just my 0.02 Euros.
In full agreement @alexwalker
 
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Hi Bob. I shall likely see you at some stage, as my flight lands in Biarritz on 31st August, and I will also travel to St Jean Pied De Port that evening, ready to start walking on 1st September 2021.

I am not planning to stay in Orisson, but instead I have booked 2 nights in SJPdP, and will get the shuttle bus up and down. The reason for this is I have a small budget, and I can get 2 nights in St Jean accommodation for the same price as 1 night in Orisson.
Does anyone know if I need to book the shuttle bus and how much it costs, or is it hop on-hop off?

It will be 3rd time lucky for my flight, as had to previously cancel in April and September 2020, due to the pandemic, but I have faith that it will go ahead this time.

I received my 1st Pfizer jab last week, and will have my 2nd in mid July, so will be fully vaccinated. All I have to do now is walk the legs off myself over the next 2 months and get myself FIT.

See you there x
Hi Lindor,
hope 2nd jab has gone well and you’re ready for the remainin 40 days! I have booked at the new “Albergue Borda” for the 31st, so will climb the hill after a long days travel by train.
Weight loss programme (failing poorly at present) but work in progress.
Walking, so far so good, thigh recovering from a little tumble but it will be good. Biggest walk so far just under a marathon at 40km, most of the time it’s a 15 - 20km and at about 4 kph on average. So probably foolish in thinking I should be OK with the physical aspect, although the ‘day after day’ bit will be challenging I’m sure.
Utreia y Suseia
 
Hi Lindor,
hope 2nd jab has gone well and you’re ready for the remainin 40 days! I have booked at the new “Albergue Borda” for the 31st, so will climb the hill after a long days travel by train.
Weight loss programme (failing poorly at present) but work in progress.
Walking, so far so good, thigh recovering from a little tumble but it will be good. Biggest walk so far just under a marathon at 40km, most of the time it’s a 15 - 20km and at about 4 kph on average. So probably foolish in thinking I should be OK with the physical aspect, although the ‘day after day’ bit will be challenging I’m sure.
Utreia y Suseia
Oh wow, you are getting a lot more training done than me. I do 10km pavement walking most

Hi Lindor,
hope 2nd jab has gone well and you’re ready for the remainin 40 days! I have booked at the new “Albergue Borda” for the 31st, so will climb the hill after a long days travel by train.
Weight loss programme (failing poorly at present) but work in progress.
Walking, so far so good, thigh recovering from a little tumble but it will be good. Biggest walk so far just under a marathon at 40km, most of the time it’s a 15 - 20km and at about 4 kph on average. So probably foolish in thinking I should be OK with the physical aspect, although the ‘day after day’ bit will be challenging I’m sure.
Utreia y Suseia

Vaccine went great, thanks. Got it a week ago, and didn't even feel the needle OR get sick afterwards.
Oh wow, you are getting a lot more training done than me. I'm walking 7-10k most days, but that is just mostly flat pavement walking around my town, and is probably not enough.
I was supposed to be kicking up my hill-training, planned to do a 15km loop (twice a week) in the Galtee mountains, which luckily are located only 20mins drive from my home in Ireland. The highest point is Galtee Mor, approx 900metres high, so it really gets my lungs gasping for breath lol
Supposed to have been doing it twice a week for the past 3 weeks, and have been there twice in total recently😆. Life just keeps getting in the way, but hopefully will get to stick to my schedule for the next 5-odd weeks left before we go. I do go hiking in the hills fairly regularly, so hopefully that will stand me in good stead walking the first few days.

40k walk? That is a fairly long stroll. I think I would collapse if I attempted that.
Your first days walk will be tough after a long train journey, but hopefully excitement and adrenaline will push you up theat hill.

I will look out for you on the path. Buen Camino

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I am arriving in SJPdP on Thurs 16 Sept and heading up the hill to begin the adventure on Fri am. Been planning this for over a year now, so am excited that the date is getting closer.
I will be arriving in SJPDP on the same date and starting the camino also on Friday ! See you around peregrino !
 

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