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shefollowsshells

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With vaccines behind me, I'm starting to think that maybe there is a chance for a Le Puy in August.
Would love thoughts on that, realizing everything is "unknown"...
A good flight is appearing , it takes me to Canada though (from the US), its the fastest and cheapest. Cheaper than some flights that have two layovers....

Makes me wonder the catch?
Do I have to worry about being qualified to go to Canada and France in August if I do this option.
Does anyone know....
I would not leave the airport and infact would have to RUN to the next flight....
Thanks,
N
 
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N,
Check out this US Embassy info updated 5 February 2021

All is currently very closed here in France. We must wear masks in public and are under curfew from 6pm to 6am.
Who knows what the next months may be?
May you and your family stay well.
Ultreia,
MM
 
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Kathar1na

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A good flight is appearing , it takes me to Canada though (from the US), its the fastest and cheapest. Cheaper than some flights that have two layovers....
Book the flight if you can cancel it without penalty, can change it without penalty or can live with the loss of the total sum of the money you paid for the flight.

The airline staff will tell you whether they will allow you to board, at the latest a day before your flight or when you stand with your backpack in front of the gate. That is all one can say about a flight of a US resident in August 2021 from the USA to France.

Right now, 7th of February 2021, you are not allowed to enter France. No matter if, where and how you transit in Canada. Check the current applicable French legislation on https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr if you doubt that. 😎
 
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Raggy

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With regard to transit through Canada I found some information on the following site:

From my experimentation with the "quiz" it seemed that a foreign citizen can transit via Canada when coming from the US, but not when coming from other countries. That could prove inconvenient, if you want to return with the same routing. Of course, the rules may change between now and August.

In the past I've bought cheap tickets that I'm not sure about using - mostly Ryanair flights for a handful of Euros. I'm not sure if I would take that risk with a typical transatlantic fare, although they can be quite cheap too.
 
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Thank you guys!
Yes fully aware, sadly, we are not wanted or in the near future... just cancelled Portugal in March about a month ago...
Flight is refundable but i think for voucher only, which is fine with us...
just wondering if I have to be mindful of CANADA and FRANCE with such a flight:(
Three weeks ago my hospital had 140 admitted covid patients.... last night 37!!!!!
Three weeks ago 120 staff members were positive, now 31.....
I’m seeing good things here where I live.
FAR from perfect but those numbers are good. Maybe people are not getting as sick to need medical care....
 
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The Canadian Government site is clear but not definitive; you may be allowed to transit but it is not certain (https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/answers/foreign-transit-flight), and there are some strong restrictions on your transit period. While customs and immigration officers will likely share your delight in the improving numbers at your hospital, their positive sentiments will have no impact on their decision-making.
 
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With vaccines behind me, I'm starting to think that maybe there is a chance for a Le Puy in August.
Would love thoughts on that, realizing everything is "unknown"...
A good flight is appearing , it takes me to Canada though (from the US), its the fastest and cheapest. Cheaper than some flights that have two layovers....

Makes me wonder the catch?
Do I have to worry about being qualified to go to Canada and France in August if I do this option.
Does anyone know....
I would not leave the airport and infact would have to RUN to the next flight....
Thanks,
N

Hello:

I live in Ontario, Canada. The COVID-19 situation here is too uncertain and fluid to provide any reassurances.

I offer the following for your evaluation and disposal. These comments are based on what I have read online. Feel free to research and verify all this for yourself.

I believe the Federal Government of Canada plans to very soon require all entrants via air and possibly via land to pass one or more COVID-19 tests before AND after the flights and also shall quarantine at a hotel under security for several days at an estimated cost of about CAD$2000.00, to be paid for by the traveller, immediately followed by more mandatory quarantining at home. Details are still being sorted.

The health situation varies widely between Provinces and Regions.

Currently the Province of Ontario is in a state of health emergency lockdown with fines for violating the prescribed health protocols, such as non-essential travel outside the home.

Also, I have read that an airline has been selling tickets for flights departing Canada and then routinely cancelling most of those flights. Not clear to me whether the ticket-holders are getting refunds or credits or just losing their money.

I strongly recommend that you do your own diligence before making commitments to travel through Canada at this time. Google and other search engines might be of help.
 

Pilgrim9

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Refunds promised by airlines: If the airline in question goes bankrupt due to e.g. prolonged low passenger numbers, where will the money for the refund come from?
 

Marbe2

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I have changed planes it Canada, prior to COVID 19 and returned via Canada as well. There were no major issues. But again this was before Covid 19.
 
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Covid aside ... I did the Le Puy route several years ago. I live in Western Canada and chose to fly thru Montreal, with a 3 hour stopover there, and then on to Lyon France. The alternative was a direct 8 hour flight to Paris.

In my opinion the Montreal - Lyon route was best. I avoided the long flight which I find discombobulates me for several days. (Montreal - Lyon was 3 hours shorter?). I had a nice walk around break at the Montreal airport with a good dinner. And best of all I Lyon was wonderful! Less stressful than Paris, cheaper, easily worth a 3 day stop over to get orientated. Lyon is also readily accessible to Le Puy.

So when it is once again possible to travel I highly recommend the Montreal - Lyon route to Le Puy.
 
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Refunds promised by airlines: If the airline in question goes bankrupt due to e.g. prolonged low passenger numbers, where will the money for the refund come from?
That all rather depends on the Insolvency regime in the country of registry of the airline. In most regimes punters will rank with all other unsecured creditors - somewhere way below the salt!

Which is why you should always use a credit-card to purchase flight tickets, or for any expenditure on future point deliverables. You can then, in necessity, call on charge-back to obtain your refund. That is also the reason you should always buy direct from the air-line rather than secondary sellers as thousands of customers of Lastminute are discovering.
 

Marbe2

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You are in-transit. You do not need a visa to enter Canada as a US citizen.
You will need your ticket to your final destination abroad and your passport.

 
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Kathar1na

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You are in-transit. You do not need a visa to enter Canada as a US citizen. You will need your ticket to your final destination abroad and your passport.
I understood the OP's question to be a question about potential hurdles connected to the public health situation and not a question about visa. I am not intensely familiar with the current situation in the world's airports and in any case we will not know what the situation in August 2021 will be like although we all expect it to be considerably better than now. But here's a quote from August last year, just to show that one needs to check what applies to one's own situation:

Under the new rules, which apply from August 31, the country of departure, not the stopover country, determines whether travellers may enter Switzerland. For example, it is no longer possible for third-country nationals to fly to Switzerland from the USA via Toronto.

So, you can transit all you want in a Canadian airport for example and without any Covid related or visa related restrictions - you may still not be allowed to fly to your destination when the destination says no.
 
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I understood the OP's question to be a question about potential hurdles connected to the public health situation and not a question about visa. I am not intensely familiar with the current situation in the world's airports and in any case we will not know what the situation in August 2021 will be like although we all expect it to be considerable better than now. But here's a quote from August last year, just to show that one needs to check what applies to one's own situation:

Under the new rules, which apply from August 31, the country of departure, not the stopover country, determines whether travellers may enter Switzerland. For example, it is no longer possible for third-country nationals to fly to Switzerland from the USA via Toronto.

So, you can transit all you want in a Canadian airport for example and without any Covid related or visa related restrictions - you may still not be allowed to fly to your destination when the destination says no.

How unfortunate that people would do this!
 

Kathar1na

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How unfortunate that people would do this!
The quote doesn't say that anyone was trying to do this on purpose in order to circumvent any regulation; it simply clarifies the regulation in force at the time.
 
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Is this ticket being offered directly from the Airline(s)?
Be wary of good deals from third party ticket sellers - they may not really exist because they don't have "live" pricing. Also, if anything goes wrong (which can happen easily with the Covid situation) you have to deal with the middleman and their terms and conditions in addition to the airline's T&Cs.
 
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Do I have to worry about being qualified to go to Canada and France in August if I do this option.
Does anyone know....

You are in-transit. You do not need a visa to enter Canada as a US citizen.
You will need your ticket to your final destination abroad and your passport.

At the moment, the US-Canada land border is essentially closed. No one knows if it will be open in August, and if so, what the rules will be. The airport borders might be different.

Just to complicate matters (or, rather, to illustrate the possible complications), under normal circumstances, some Canada-US flights have the immigration check at the departure city rather than the arrival city - this is some Canada-US special operational agreement, where we might go through US immigration at the Vancouver airport, before the flight. These flights might leave from the domestic terminal rather than the international terminal - I'm not sure. I do not know whether this complicates the "in transit" situation at all.

Covid has changed everything, and it's not over yet.
 
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With vaccines behind me, I'm starting to think that maybe there is a chance for a Le Puy in August.
Would love thoughts on that, realizing everything is "unknown"...
A good flight is appearing , it takes me to Canada though (from the US), its the fastest and cheapest. Cheaper than some flights that have two layovers....

Makes me wonder the catch?
Do I have to worry about being qualified to go to Canada and France in August if I do this option.
Does anyone know....
I would not leave the airport and infact would have to RUN to the next flight....
Thanks,
N

I think it would be fair to say, no one knows.........

Here in Australia I don't think International travel is expected to resume till the end of the year.

I saw a recent interview about vaccine rollout plans. The biggest issue might be, that poorer nations may not get vaccinated till 2023! That all has a global 'knock on' effect of course.

My wife (Thai) was reading last night that Thailand has only secured 20 million doses. (The Military Government prioritised buying more weapons it seems). The population is 66 million :(

Thailand (Bangkok) is a major international airline 'hub'. See the issues?

I suspect all of this mess might take a bit longer than we expect to sort out...........

My next Camino is planned for March 2022.
I fully expect it to be 2023........

I can't see this thing getting fixed in just over a year........ :rolleyes:
 
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Marbe2

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The quote doesn't say that anyone was trying to do this on purpose in order to circumvent any regulation; it simply clarifies the regulation in force at the
The quote doesn't say that anyone was trying to do this on purpose in order to circumvent any regulation; it simply clarifies the regulation in force at the time.
Katharina, This new regulation intends to prevent people from using loopholes in the entry requirements by travelling in transit via countries which are not on the high-risk list.

That is why the rule was put into place. So I stand by my commemt, which was meant to be conditional.

 
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Kathar1na

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That is why the rule was put into place. So I stand by my commemt, which was meant to be conditional.
This may well be the case. However, what does it matter why a country introduces rules for entry or transit or whether some people somewhere may circumvent rules?

What matters for our planning are the rules that apply to us, or are likely to apply to us in the summer of 2021, and my point was that what needs to be taken into account are whether/under which conditions our country of residence/departure lets us leave, our country of transit lets us transit and our country of destination lets us enter.

Airlines will sell tickets for August, they may even fly to the booked destination in August but there is no guarantee that they will, or can, take everyone who bought a ticket for August.
 
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Marbe2

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Why does it matter? It matters because there is a worldwide pandemic and people who are banned from entry because their country’s stats are high (including my own) should not be selfishly working the system. The sooner we all follow the rules and think about other’s safety and the common good, the sooner the pandemic will end and we can get back to walking caminos.
 
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As a Canadian, I can see that the regulations for entering and leaving Canada by air are extremely fluid at the present time. I would not buy an airline ticket because the Canadian airlines have been refusing to refund the cost of cancelled tickets. This has been a major news item in Canada for some time, as the airlines are demanding government bailouts while refusing to refund cancelled tickets which have been paid for. The government says, "When you pay what you owe and return service to many areas where airline servce in Canada has been totally cut, we would consider a bailout." I hope that this stand-off is over before I am ready to fly to Spain again. In addition, there are many new restrictions being introduced about international travel. Only four airports are open for international travel: Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and Montreal. And there are many other limitations, which largely apply to those coming to Canada, rather than those transitting. Going to Spain, I have noticed from following up an advertisement from a European airline, that the former flights from Calgary cannot currently be booked. I am not suggesting that any of these conditions may still exist in the summer, or later. The government of Canada is attempting to respond to pandemic conditions by limiting travel in order to keep infection numbers down. This situation may be changed in any way at any time until the pandemic is under control, and no one can know when that will be.
 
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Kathar1na

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Out of curiosity, I had a look at current Covid-19 related regulations at large European airports. For example, one country distinguishes between flights from risk areas, flights from high incidence areas and flights from virus mutant areas. Currently, no flights at all are allowed from virus mutant areas and there are restrictions on passengers from other areas, even when in transit at an airport.

As to the original question and to Canada, I have of course no idea, neither for now nor for the summer. Either you are allowed to transit to your destination in France or not, and if you are allowed to do so you may have to present documentation that you need to get before departure from home, vaccination perhaps, or a recent test result or perhaps you even need to pass a quick test at the airport. Who knows ...

I don’t know about the USA and Canada but here within the EU I sense great concern and fear of mutant viruses being introduced by travellers from abroad and rapid spreading of such viruses. It’s a major reason for recent further strengthening of travel restrictions in a number of EU countries.

The OP’s question cannot be answered but it gives us an opportunity to post messages, some with a bit of new content and some with the usual content :cool:. I can barely believe that it’s been 11 long months since the day in the middle of March 2020 when we heard for the first time in our news that our local shops will close in the hope that Covid-19 can be contained ...
 
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it’s been 11 long months since the day in the middle of March 2020 when we heard for the first time in our news that our local shops will close in the hope that Covid-19 can be contained ...
LOL, a flashback: there was a thread that started in January 2020. The title was "Corona Virus ...". Someone remarked that the media has much to answer for over the sensationalist reporting of this coronavirus and encouraged us to not let it upset our travel plans. Unless my memory fails me, that was the predominant forum opinion at the time, btw. To which I replied on 1 February 2020 among other remarks I made: "And the other thing is, to be honest, that I don’t care whether people change their travel plans voluntarily and out of unjustified fear. The less people travel, the better full stop."

More than a year ago! I've not changed my mind since then but I rarely feel the need to say it out loud or type it here. 😇
 
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With vaccines behind me, I'm starting to think that maybe there is a chance for a Le Puy in August.
Would love thoughts on that, realizing everything is "unknown"...
A good flight is appearing , it takes me to Canada though (from the US), its the fastest and cheapest. Cheaper than some flights that have two layovers....

Makes me wonder the catch?
Do I have to worry about being qualified to go to Canada and France in August if I do this option.
Does anyone know....
I would not leave the airport and infact would have to RUN to the next flight....
Thanks,
N
I believe in solidarity at this time of our world crisis. Despite my “no travel/no Camino” since last year growing psychological challenge and having 2 passports (EU + CAD), of which one allows me into fly to any EU country, I am joining millions by sitting tight at home and doing my tiny part. You might be vaccinated vs most of the rest of the world but there is no solid data yet for the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, indicating that you will NOT carry/transmit covid. Please be patient, dream along with the majority of us and travel when others won’t be put at risk. Thanks!
 

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As a Canadian, I can see that the regulations for entering and leaving Canada by air are extremely fluid at the present time. I would not buy an airline ticket because the Canadian airlines have been refusing to refund the cost of cancelled tickets. This has been a major news item in Canada for some time, as the airlines are demanding government bailouts while refusing to refund cancelled tickets which have been paid for. The government says, "When you pay what you owe and return service to many areas where airline servce in Canada has been totally cut, we would consider a bailout." I hope that this stand-off is over before I am ready to fly to Spain again. In addition, there are many new restrictions being introduced about international travel. Only four airports are open for international travel: Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and Vancouver. And there are many other limitations, which largely apply to those coming to Canada, rather than those transitting. Going to Spain, I have noticed from following up an advertisement from a European airline, that the former flights from Calgary cannot currently be booked. I am not suggesting that any of these conditions may still exist in the summer, or later. The government of Canada is attempting to respond to pandemic conditions by limiting travel in order to keep infection numbers down. This situation may be changed in any way at any time until the pandemic is under control, and no one can know when that will be.
4th airport is Montreal
 

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With vaccines behind me, I'm starting to think that maybe there is a chance for a Le Puy in August.
Would love thoughts on that, realizing everything is "unknown"...
A good flight is appearing , it takes me to Canada though (from the US), its the fastest and cheapest. Cheaper than some flights that have two layovers....

Makes me wonder the catch?
Do I have to worry about being qualified to go to Canada and France in August if I do this option.
Does anyone know....
I would not leave the airport and infact would have to RUN to the next flight....
Thanks,
N
The vaccine rollout in France is very slow. Think 2021 is on hold.
 

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I've been off the forum for a while but it's nice to be back, reading thoughtful and polite discussions. As a retired nurse practitioner married to a physician husband, thought I'd throw in my two cents. We planned Via Podiensis for Spring 2019 but it was cancelled when my mom was diagnosed with glioblastoma. I was honored to be her caregiver though heartbroken to lose her five short months later. We rescheduled for Spring 2020 and then the world exploded. Our personal lives were also affected when my husband spent a week on a Covid ventilator after catching it at work and spent months recovering. Immunizations have been slow to roll out in our area but, thankfully, health care workers and the vulnerable population are now protected. But the data is unable to determine how long the vaccines are protective and our local health care system got a surprise last week when three patients were diagnosed with a variant strain. With roughly only 10% of the US population immunized with at least one dose as of this date, there's a good chance of coming across someone on a plane/airport/public transport either sick/asymptomatic with Covid. I also agree with others that have said there is a moral obligation to try to do our part to protect others. As much as I want...and really need...a pilgrimage right now, we're putting things on hold, though it's tempting to buy a refundable ticket for next fall. When we do buy, I think this one will be a nonstop from the states to avoid an intermediate layover (we route both from US or through Canada to go to Europe). Wishing all health, happiness and an end to this horrendous pandemic.
 
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I started that first thread "Corona virus..." inquiring about Covid-19 and what it could possibly mean to our Camino travel plans in the "near future". Little did we know at that time what impact it would have on our world and continue to do so for the unforeseeable future.
We have lost much of our freedom for the time being to "come and go" as we please; a luxury we have taken for granted that many in our world have never had.
 

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And here's a surprise that I picked up on a reasonably reliable non-USA government website. They have this to say about current transit possibilities in USA airports:

Transit and onward travel
The entry ban also severely restricts the possibility of airport transit. For [non-US] persons who have stayed in countries of the Schengen area in the 14 days prior to travel, airport transit is currently not possible in principle.

It is not relevant for transits in Canada, of course, and not necessarily relevant for any transit in August anywhere in the world, just further proof of how fluid and varied Covid-19 regulations are, both in time and in space.

Wikivoyage has a comprehensive article that explains what they call "sterile transit" which is common in many international airports but not possible in international airports in the USA. The article also mentions that Canada does not allow sterile transit either. It has some Covid-19 related information for international passengers who transit via Canada.

https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Avoiding_travel_through_the_United_States . Although the title refers to the United States, this may be a useful link for future transit related questions that arise from time to time, as it also covers other alternative airports.
 
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With vaccines behind me, I'm starting to think that maybe there is a chance for a Le Puy in August.
Would love thoughts on that, realizing everything is "unknown"...
A good flight is appearing , it takes me to Canada though (from the US), its the fastest and cheapest. Cheaper than some flights that have two layovers....

Makes me wonder the catch?
Do I have to worry about being qualified to go to Canada and France in August if I do this option.
Does anyone know....
I would not leave the airport and infact would have to RUN to the next flight....
Thanks,
N
Canada has new restrictions. Spain is on of the worst places at the moment.
I’m sure you realize the vaccine protects your body from the effects of the virus.
you can still carry and pass the vaccine to others who are not as privileged as you. That is not a nice thing to do..
 

David Tallan

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I understood the OP's question to be a question about potential hurdles connected to the public health situation and not a question about visa. I am not intensely familiar with the current situation in the world's airports and in any case we will not know what the situation in August 2021 will be like although we all expect it to be considerably better than now. But here's a quote from August last year, just to show that one needs to check what applies to one's own situation:

Under the new rules, which apply from August 31, the country of departure, not the stopover country, determines whether travellers may enter Switzerland. For example, it is no longer possible for third-country nationals to fly to Switzerland from the USA via Toronto.

So, you can transit all you want in a Canadian airport for example and without any Covid related or visa related restrictions - you may still not be allowed to fly to your destination when the destination says no.
And then, of course, even the Canadian portion may be problematic if they don't put you on the ongoing flight from Canada because they know France (or Switzerland or whatever) won't accept you. Then, all of a sudden, you aren't transiting through Canada but stuck here with no ongoing flight. And at that point you may be subject to any quarantining requirements.

All in all, not a great situation for travellers. We live in hope that it will improve, and expect so, but none of us know the timetable for those improvements.
 

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LOL, a flashback: there was a thread that started in January 2020. The title was "Corona Virus ...".

I started that first thread "Corona virus..." inquiring about Covid-19 and what it could possibly mean to our Camino travel plans in the "near future"
If anyone wants to read this thread to see what we were all thinking last year, here it is


On January 31, 2020 I "wasn't worried at all" - what a difference a year makes! 😳
 
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And then, of course, even the Canadian portion may be problematic if they don't put you on the ongoing flight from Canada because they know France (or Switzerland or whatever) won't accept you. Then, all of a sudden, you aren't transiting through Canada but stuck here with no ongoing flight. And at that point you may be subject to any quarantining requirements.

All in all, not a great situation for travellers. We live in hope that it will improve, and expect so, but none of us know the timetable for those improvements.
And the OP implied they had a short connection...not something I would consider with a flight from USA to Canada.....which could easily be delayed because of poor weather conditions.
 
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Sixwheeler

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2013
I wouldn't hold your breath, you may consider yourself ready to go but will the good people of France and Spain be ready to receive you. From what I'm healthier vaccination programmes are not yet going well and they will want to have achieved high levels of full vaccination before they open their borders. They went too early last year so are likely not to risk doing it a second time.

I can get in my car and, given good connections, be in France in about five hours; we're all planned and ready to go but I doubt we'll be able to before the autumn in reality.
 

Natcats

Veteran | author | graphic designer | walker
Year of past OR future Camino
Chemin des Outaouais (2014)
Le Puy 1 of 2 (2015)
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Camino Francés (2022)?
Covid aside ... I did the Le Puy route several years ago. I live in Western Canada and chose to fly thru Montreal, with a 3 hour stopover there, and then on to Lyon France. The alternative was a direct 8 hour flight to Paris.

In my opinion the Montreal - Lyon route was best. I avoided the long flight which I find discombobulates me for several days. (Montreal - Lyon was 3 hours shorter?). I had a nice walk around break at the Montreal airport with a good dinner. And best of all I Lyon was wonderful! Less stressful than Paris, cheaper, easily worth a 3 day stop over to get orientated. Lyon is also readily accessible to Le Puy.

So when it is once again possible to travel I highly recommend the Montreal - Lyon route to Le Puy.
I did not know the flight from Mtl to Lyon is shorter than to Paris! Will furiously google. ;)
 

Kathar1na

Member
Year of past OR future Camino
To Santiago and back (roads & paths; Tours; Francés; sea; roads & paths)
There's already plenty of practical information and useful links in this thread. Although airline staff often get a bad rap (level of accurate information about poles spring to my mind - probably for all eternity ;)), I have the impression that their level of information about Covid-19 regulations that are applicable for their passengers is quite good and up to date. Governments work with the airlines to ensure compliance of arriving passengers and to keep unqualified passengers from departing in the first place. Just for future reference and as an example:

When you go to the Air Canada website, you will find webpages dedicated to Covid-19 issues for travellers, including information on Know your entry requirements before you fly with links to Entry into France and Transit through Canada.

AirFrance helpfully spells out that each time you cross an international border you will need to comply with three different sets of regulations which all apply: the rules on mobility (Covid-19 related); the public health measures (Covid-19 related); and the usual rules governing the right to stay.
 
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shefollowsshells

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Several alone and with children
Canada has new restrictions. Spain is on of the worst places at the moment.
I’m sure you realize the vaccine protects your body from the effects of the virus.
you can still carry and pass the vaccine to others who are not as privileged as you. That is not a nice thing to do..
What an utterly nasty response, I’m not use to such hostility. I’m “ privileged” because I work at times 16 hour shifts back to back in a very busy Emergency Room.
Your nastiness had NOTHING to do with proposed question, and extremely humored that you think you need to educate me about Covid. Also not certain anyone should take medical advice from someone stating I can “ pass the vaccine to others”....????
I wish you well!
 
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shefollowsshells

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There's already plenty of practical information and useful links in this thread. Although airline staff often get a bad rap (level of accurate information about poles spring to my mind - probably for all eternity ;)), I have the impression that their level of information about Covid-19 regulations that are applicable for their passengers is quite good and up to date. Governments work with the airlines to ensure compliance of arriving passengers and to keep unqualified passengers from departing in the first place. Just for future reference and as an example:

When you go to the Air Canada website, you will find webpages dedicated to Covid-19 issues for travellers, including information on Know your entry requirements before you fly with links to Entry into France and Transit through Canada.

AirFrance helpfully spells out that each time you cross an international border you will need to comply with three different sets of regulations which all apply: the rules on mobility (Covid-19 related); the public health measures (Covid-19 related); and the usual rules governing the right to stay.
Thank you for this information! It was exactly what kind of information I sought.
 
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With vaccines behind me, I'm starting to think that maybe there is a chance for a Le Puy in August.
Would love thoughts on that, realizing everything is "unknown"...
A good flight is appearing , it takes me to Canada though (from the US), its the fastest and cheapest. Cheaper than some flights that have two layovers....

Makes me wonder the catch?
Do I have to worry about being qualified to go to Canada and France in August if I do this option.
Does anyone know....
I would not leave the airport and infact would have to RUN to the next flight....
Thanks,
N
No one knows. There are so many uncertainties regarding vaccine production and availability, travel restrictions, viral variants, and the course of the pandemic that it is impossible to forecast what the situation will be like in August.
 

mikebet

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Year of past OR future Camino
SJPdP to Pamplona (2016); Baiona to Santiago (2018); Sarria to Santiago (2018)
At this early juncture in the international vaccination campaign it's hard to predict when new regulations will come or what they will be. I'm watching the space pretty carefully, though, and expect before long countries will begin to adjust their travel bans to accommodate vaccinated travelers. After all, there is tremendous pressure on governments to open for tourism before the entire industry is in tatters, and some countries (i.e., Spain, Italy) are so dependent on tourism that political pressure to speed up reopening will become insurmountable -- politicians hate to get tossed out, you know. I'm thinking that by summer we will have a much clearer picture, and that proof of vaccination will be the "get out of jail card" that will permit entry. But we'll see.
 

Rod Murray

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Year of past OR future Camino
2019
With vaccines behind me, I'm starting to think that maybe there is a chance for a Le Puy in August.
Would love thoughts on that, realizing everything is "unknown"...
A good flight is appearing , it takes me to Canada though (from the US), its the fastest and cheapest. Cheaper than some flights that have two layovers....

Makes me wonder the catch?
Do I have to worry about being qualified to go to Canada and France in August if I do this option.
Does anyone know....
I would not leave the airport and infact would have to RUN to the next flight....
Thanks,
N
Canada is imposing even stricter regulations on inbound travellers over the next weeks. Check the travel restrictions at https://travel.gc.ca
 

MichelleElynHogan

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Overarching all the legalities and directives, and rules, though I do not question the spirit in which this trip is devised, I must wonder why now? Yes, there will be issues crossing borders. There will be issues in finding accomodation and honouring restrictions.

There must come a point in which the issues of travel alone will diminish the joy of the travel, especially in these dangerous times, especially with so many new variants are sprouting, magnifying the dangers of person to person interaction.
 
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Rod Murray

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2019
Canada is imposing even stricter regulations on inbound travellers over the next weeks. Check the travel restrictions at https://travel.gc.ca
Up to the point where Coronavirus impacted world travel, it was often possible to get a reasonable flight to many Camino starting points from Canada as many Canadian airlines offered direct flights to smaller cities (Porto for example) due to significant populations of expats from those destinations living in Canada. I know that they would be much easier than flying to a large European hub and transferring there. US citizens could transit from one flight to a connecting flight leaving Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver without issues. The pandemic changes everything. Hopefully within a few years we will be able to be back on the Camino again!
 
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Cicada

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Year of past OR future Camino
Frances St Jean -Santiago April -June 2017
Portugues September 2018
With vaccines behind me, I'm starting to think that maybe there is a chance for a Le Puy in August.
Would love thoughts on that, realizing everything is "unknown"...
A good flight is appearing , it takes me to Canada though (from the US), its the fastest and cheapest. Cheaper than some flights that have two layovers....

Makes me wonder the catch?
Do I have to worry about being qualified to go to Canada and France in August if I do this option.
Does anyone know....
I would not leave the airport and infact would have to RUN to the next flight....
Thanks,
N
I guess you know that getting the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting Covid and it doesn't stop you from passing it on! Camino in August coming from the US? Dream on! But I do wish you good luck
 

Stephan the Painter

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Year of past OR future Camino
Frances(2020)
I guess you know that getting the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting Covid and it doesn't stop you from passing it on! Camino in August coming from the US? Dream on! But I do wish you good luck
I heard that they’re doing studies to see if people who’ve been vaccinated can pass it on. From my understanding, they’re not sure yet.
 

shefollowsshells

Active Member
Year of past OR future Camino
Several alone and with children
With vaccines behind me, I'm starting to think that maybe there is a chance for a Le Puy in August.
Would love thoughts on that, realizing everything is "unknown"...
A good flight is appearing , it takes me to Canada though (from the US), its the fastest and cheapest. Cheaper than some flights that have two layovers....

Makes me wonder the catch?
Do I have to worry about being qualified to go to Canada and France in August if I do this option.
Does anyone know....
I would not leave the airport and infact would have to RUN to the next flight....
Thanks,
N
Thank you to those who shared insight based on my question, you're the best! The knowledge on our forum never ceases to amaze me.
TICKETS are purchased for a Le Puy and Norte or Le Puy and Frances starting the second week in August, five years to the day of our last Le Puy and Norte. I'm prepared for it not to happen if things change in Covid issues. It feels great to DREAM and possibly pull off!!!!!!
and edited to add not going through Canada, however I have been convinced it might be a great way to go.
 

mspath

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Year of past OR future Camino
Frances, autumn/winter; 2004, 2005-2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
Reading of your ticket purcbase is happy news for all of us!
Looking forward to reading your blog posts when you are on route.

Carpe diem and, in the truest sense,
Ultreia..
 
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CalgaryLynn

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Year of past OR future Camino
2021
With vaccines behind me, I'm starting to think that maybe there is a chance for a Le Puy in August.
Would love thoughts on that, realizing everything is "unknown"...
A good flight is appearing , it takes me to Canada though (from the US), its the fastest and cheapest. Cheaper than some flights that have two layovers....

Makes me wonder the catch?
Do I have to worry about being qualified to go to Canada and France in August if I do this option.
Does anyone know....
I would not leave the airport and infact would have to RUN to the next flight....
Thanks,
N
I had a similar flight that was bringing me back through the US and then to Canada. Changed it to something better. To answer your question, once you are through customs and just changing planes in the same terminal, no extra paperwork will be required. If you are landing in Toronto, even if you change terminals, it is behind customs so no worries.
 

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