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COVID Albergues

peterjohn1960

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Camino(s) past & future
Camino France's (2017)(2019)
Camino Frances September 28th 2020
Under normal situations some of the albergues and other accommodation close end of October, would it be a good idea for the accommodation owners to remain open until at least Christmas to claw back some of the money they have lost, if this could happen and made public I feel pilgrims would use the extended days.
 

C clearly

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Camino(s) past & future
Frances (2012, 2014, 2015, 2016), VDLP (2017), Mozarabe (2018), Vasco/Bayona (2019)
would it be a good idea for the accommodation owners to remain open until at least Christmas
Only if there were a big enough surge of pilgrims to fill those beds, which seems very unlikely to me, this year. Even with full beds, the winter heating costs are high enough to seriously dent any profits.
 

Thomas1962

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Camino(s) past & future
2010/2011/2012/2013: Madrid -Salvador -Primitivo 2014: EPW 2015: Amsterdam - SdC
As a hospitalero this has gone through my mind. Speaking for myself, we will be happy to extend our season. We also have to do the maximum to survive.
So, get your stuff together and if it is safe by then, come over for your (probably first) winter camino.
 
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lt56ny

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Camino(s) past & future
CF(2012) Le Puy/CF (2015) Portugues (2017) Norte (2018) CF (2019) VDLP?
Worry about today. In our lives but especially In this pandemic, today is all we have and nothing else. The idea that you or anyone will walk in September or October is only a dream and I feel diverts from the work each of us must do today. It is nice to dream but in this unreal world the reality of our situation is nothing like anything we have ever experienced. Let the Camino rest. People are dying, people are close to bankrupt, people have no jobs and in many cases were already living week to week. Let the camino rest. Our prayers, our energy our help and our dreams should be devoted to protecting ourselves and families and if we are lucky enough to have economic security, maybe we should be reaching out to help those who are in dire need. Let the Camino rest.
 

Pilger Franz

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Camino(s) past & future
Podiensis-Norte-Ingles-SdC; Francigena; Touron.; Bretagne; Lemovic.; Lana; Lusitana (Este)
people are close to bankrupt, people have no jobs and in many cases were already living week to week.
Hi It56ny, you are right in this sight: This is happening now with all these constraints and doubts. We have surely to cope with the current problems in the present time.

Nevertheless: We should, at the same time, plan the future - ours and that of the albergues. Certainly there will be new challenges. We should address and cope with them as soon as they occur.
 

Pilger Franz

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Podiensis-Norte-Ingles-SdC; Francigena; Touron.; Bretagne; Lemovic.; Lana; Lusitana (Este)
Even with full beds, the winter heating costs are high enough to seriously dent any profits.
Even more costs for heating in autumn and winter should be worth it. I know surcharges for heating - they were always tolerable (you save a bit of them for not being at home).
 
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lt56ny

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CF(2012) Le Puy/CF (2015) Portugues (2017) Norte (2018) CF (2019) VDLP?
Hi It56ny, you are right in this sight: This is happening now with all these constraints and doubts. We have surely to cope with the current problems in the present time.

Nevertheless: We should, at the same time, plan the future - ours and that of the albergues. Certainly there will be new challenges. We should address and cope with them as soon as they occur.
Of course there is nothing wrong with planning for the future. But the problem today is that we do not know what the future is going to be and the plans we are making for 3 or 4 or 5 months from now may possibly go up in smoke tomorrow. Almost every day information is revised and new precautions and guidelines are being addressed as scientists learn more and more. A few days ago the thought was that up to 25% of people may be asymptomatic and there was no antibody test to determine this. Now there is a test but Dr. Anthony Fauci who is considered to be one the the best if not the number one allergy and immunology specialist in the world said that number may be as high as 50%. He and others also warn of rebounds that almost certainly will appear after this first wave of the virus seems to stabilize and maybe even subside. There is no certainty until there is a vaccine that can be administered proven drug cocktails.
My main and only point is that governments around the world must work together to share knowledge, drugs and supplies to help in this fight. Governments are responsible to help their people economically also. I have no idea what the economic response is in Spain. Hopefully it is very supportive to workers, small business owners as well as corporations. There is little or nothing to do to help someone thousands of miles away except to offer sympathy and support. As I stated the financial support, if you are lucky enough to provide that given each of our own precarious situations, should be going to the most vulnerable people in your own community. To me the thought of sending resources to help an albergue thousands of miles away because you "love" the Camino sounds very strange to say the least, when there are homeless people, old people eating cat food out of a can, or who are terrified to go out to the store because they have to take two buses and have no family member support, or are alone and afraid, these are the people we should be reaching out to. If you want to plan, maybe you should plan with other creative people in how local towns and neighborhoods can identify and help these people. Buen Camino and please take care.
 

Thomas1962

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Camino(s) past & future
2010/2011/2012/2013: Madrid -Salvador -Primitivo 2014: EPW 2015: Amsterdam - SdC
Of course there is nothing wrong with planning for the future. But the problem today is that we do not know what the future is going to be and the plans we are making for 3 or 4 or 5 months from now may possibly go up in smoke tomorrow. Almost every day information is revised and new precautions and guidelines are being addressed as scientists learn more and more. A few days ago the thought was that up to 25% of people may be asymptomatic and there was no antibody test to determine this. Now there is a test but Dr. Anthony Fauci who is considered to be one the the best if not the number one allergy and immunology specialist in the world said that number may be as high as 50%. He and others also warn of rebounds that almost certainly will appear after this first wave of the virus seems to stabilize and maybe even subside. There is no certainty until there is a vaccine that can be administered proven drug cocktails.
My main and only point is that governments around the world must work together to share knowledge, drugs and supplies to help in this fight. Governments are responsible to help their people economically also. I have no idea what the economic response is in Spain. Hopefully it is very supportive to workers, small business owners as well as corporations. There is little or nothing to do to help someone thousands of miles away except to offer sympathy and support. As I stated the financial support, if you are lucky enough to provide that given each of our own precarious situations, should be going to the most vulnerable people in your own community. To me the thought of sending resources to help an albergue thousands of miles away because you "love" the Camino sounds very strange to say the least, when there are homeless people, old people eating cat food out of a can, or who are terrified to go out to the store because they have to take two buses and have no family member support, or are alone and afraid, these are the people we should be reaching out to. If you want to plan, maybe you should plan with other creative people in how local towns and neighborhoods can identify and help these people. Buen Camino and please take care.
Doing one thing doesn't mean not to do another.
Please don't tell people what they should do or not. This is a forum about camino, not about local initiatives (which need sincere support too). Besides, camino is my front door.
 
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lt56ny

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Camino(s) past & future
CF(2012) Le Puy/CF (2015) Portugues (2017) Norte (2018) CF (2019) VDLP?
Doing one thing doesn't mean not to do another.
Please don't tell people what they should do or not. This is a forum about camino, not about local initiatives (which need sincere support too). Besides, camino is my front door.
The point I was trying to make is that we should be taking care of things at our doorstep and that is what you are doing. I am not dictating anything to anyone just voicing my opinion.I have to beg to disagree, that although this may be a forum about Camino, the state of the world and this forum has now got to confront far more important issues than a camino.
 
Camino(s) past & future
this will be my first. Norte September 2018.
From research that I've been doing on my own Camino Group here in Australia, I have learned that the Spanish Government is Definitely helping the Spanish people Economically, as is our own Government here in Australia and as are other Governments around the World. I have also been reading on some of the Camino Facebook Groups, that some of the Albergues, such as Jesus et Maria in Pamploma and one of the Albergues in Zamora, are being used just now, to house those less fortunate than most here on the Forum.....those who have no permanent rooves over the heads, and those who would normally find it very hard to live from day to day. The Spanish Redcross is helping with this initiative. There may be other Albergues involved as well.
So maybe if there was a list of the albergue participating in this housing effort, with ways to donate, the folks with time and money could donate funds. Or directly to Spanish Red Cross. Just a thought. I’m making masks for folks in grocery at home.
 

Pancho

Peregrino Nuevo
Camino(s) past & future
September 2018
Worry about today. In our lives but especially In this pandemic, today is all we have and nothing else. The idea that you or anyone will walk in September or October is only a dream and I feel diverts from the work each of us must do today. It is nice to dream but in this unreal world the reality of our situation is nothing like anything we have ever experienced. Let the Camino rest. People are dying, people are close to bankrupt, people have no jobs and in many cases were already living week to week. Let the camino rest. Our prayers, our energy our help and our dreams should be devoted to protecting ourselves and families and if we are lucky enough to have economic security, maybe we should be reaching out to help those who are in dire need. Let the Camino rest.
 

Pancho

Peregrino Nuevo
Camino(s) past & future
September 2018
I had planned this September, for two years. I feel blessed that I am able to look forward to 2021. Camino waits for us all. I will be back Santiago
 

Thomas1962

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Camino(s) past & future
2010/2011/2012/2013: Madrid -Salvador -Primitivo 2014: EPW 2015: Amsterdam - SdC
I have learned that the Spanish Government is Definitely helping the Spanish people Economically. ...that some of the Albergues, such as Jesus et Maria in Pamploma and one of the Albergues in Zamora, are being used just now, to house those less fortunate than most here on the Forum.....
It is true indeed that the Spanish government is helping 'autonomos' like many people who run an albergues are, with about €600/month. We are very happy that the government is able to do that, at the same time it is only a part of the monthly costs, especially for hospitalero's who rent their albergue.
As far as I can see the albergues who are now used for homeless people are the municipal albergues, which are being paid and owned by the city/village already.
 

anthikes

Active Member
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2016 SJPdP > SdC
2018 Porto > SdC
2019 Sevilla > SdC
If there is demand then I hope the albergues stay open to help their coffers.

There are no magic money tress and Governments can only do so much.
 

Gene_781

Active Member
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Camino francés, Camino portugués (Tui), Pilgrims Welcome Office, hospitalero 8 times
Taken from the COVID-19 advisory page on the website of American Pilgrims on the Camino: American Pilgrims on the Camino is echoing official advice from numerous sources to postpone international travel. Specifically, anyone planning to go on the Camino in April, May or even June should strongly consider CANCELLING their plans. Beyond that, no one has any idea what the situation will be. We pass along news from these official or authoritative sources:

• On March 19th, the U.S. Department of State issued a global level 4 health advisory: “Avoid all international travel”:
https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...ert-global-level-4-health-advisory-issue.html
U.S. Department of State country by country information:
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel.html

• At the request of the Prime Minister, the Spanish parliament on April 4th extended the state of emergency to April 26th.
• The Santiago Cathedral is closed to visitors:
http://catedraldesantiago.es
• The Pilgrim Welcome Office in Santiago has closed.
• All pilgrim albergues and accommodations are now closed and will remain closed for the foreseeable future.

Beyond that, we suggest that you consult official and reliable sources for information. Among such sources would be:
The COVID-19 pages at NIH and CDC.
https://www.nih.gov/health-information/coronavirus
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html

The U.S. Embassy in Spain:
https://es.usembassy.gov and then an internal search on “coronavirus”.

The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control:
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/novel-coronavirus-china

The U.S. State Department’s COVID-19 Travel Alert page:
https://travel.state.gov/content/tr.../novel-coronavirus-hubei-province--china.html

The Spanish Ministry of Health (Spanish):
https://www.mscbs.gob.es/profesionales/saludPublica/ccayes/alertasActual/nCov-China/home.htm
https://www.mscbs.gob.es/profesiona.../alertasActual/nCov-China/situacionActual.htm

Status of COVID-19 in Spain, including regional details (Spanish):
experience.arcgis.com/experience/50d6c4c5599a43f4bebf517daa3a97b6

The Spanish Health System is posting announcements in their Twitter feed (Spanish):
https://twitter.com/SaludPublicaEs

The World Health Organization:
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

WHO map of confirmed cases:
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/685d0ace521648f8a5beeeee1b9125cd

El País in English for general news.

The Federación Española de Asociaciones de Amigos del Camino de Santiago (Spanish Federation of Associations of Friends of the Camino) has a page but so far (March 29th) most of the material concerns hospitaleros. (Mostly in Spanish)

In addition, there was an article (Spanish) published on the website Gronze by Antón Pombo, a journalist and historian who specializes in the Camino, who lives near Santiago and who is involved with the Fraternidad Internacional del Camino de Santiago. The content of the article is opinion - but the opinions are of people involved with the Xacobeo, hospitaleros, owners of private establishments and heads of associations - and they discuss everything from when the Camino might reopen, whether, after it does reopen, pilgrims will come, to factors that might change the Camino as we know it, and to the economic impact on the communities along the way. English translation attached.
 

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