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COVID Americans banned from EU Travel?

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ShaLaw

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I saw this today, about how the EU may ban American travellers;


Just a heads up for what may be.
 
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C.C.

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With cases going up in parts of the US, the EU doesn’t want a 2nd wave after they fought so hard to deal with this virus. Europeans has followed the advise of their medical professionals, complied with lockdown and now, as they reopen, are wearing masks and social distancing. Unfortunately that is not the case in all parts of the US.
 

Kathar1na

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Just saw this today, about how the EU may ban American travellers;
As the NYT article points out, the list will not be definite and is not expected to be published before the beginning of next week. So we have nearly a whole week to speculate about this.

And 27 countries will have to agree!

The EU Commission recommended two weeks ago that such a list of third countries (= non-EU countries) ought to be drawn up, so that is nothing new. At the time, they also published the criteria that will be used to decide/review whether a country will be on the list or not. Here they are:
  1. Can the country be considered as being in a comparable or better epidemiological situation as the average in the EU+ area with regard to:
    • Number of new infections;
    • Trend in new infections; and
    • Response to COVID-19 taking into account available information on aspects such
      as: testing, surveillance, contact tracing, containment, treatment and reporting.

  2. Does the country ensure a comparable or better level of containment measures as the EU from its transport and transport hubs operators, including physical distancing to reduce the risk of infection associated with international travel in line with the recommendations issued for the transport by the European Commission and in particular with the COVID-19 Aviation Health Safety Protocol issued by European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and ECDC, or equivalent:
    • During travel to points of departure;
    • At points of departure; and
    • During travel, from origin to destination.
      The following elements should also be taken into consideration:
    • Do airports comply with ICAO safety recommendations?
    • Do airlines serving specific routes comply with ICAO recommendations?
    • Are airports on the EASA list3?
    • Is there negative travel advisory for this country in most of the Member States?
    • Do airlines check, in relation to transit passengers, whether the country of departure is on the list of countries for which travel restrictions can be lifted?

  3. Does the country agree to the same or comparable travel arrangements with the EU? Does this apply to all EU and Schengen States?

  4. Have the EU Member States and Schengen States lifted their travel warnings for the country concerned?
 

trecile

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As the NYT article points out, the list will not be definite and is not expected to be published before the beginning of next week. So we have nearly a whole week to speculate about this.

And 27 countries will have to agree!

The EU Commission recommended two weeks ago that such a list of third countries (= non-EU countries) ought to be drawn up, so that is nothing new. At the time, they also published the criteria that will be used to decide/review whether a country will be on the list or not. Here they are:
  1. Can the country be considered as being in a comparable or better epidemiological situation as the average in the EU+ area with regard to:
    • Number of new infections;
    • Trend in new infections; and
    • Response to COVID-19 taking into account available information on aspects such
      as: testing, surveillance, contact tracing, containment, treatment and reporting.

  2. Does the country ensure a comparable or better level of containment measures as the EU from its transport and transport hubs operators, including physical distancing to reduce the risk of infection associated with international travel in line with the recommendations issued for the transport by the European Commission and in particular with the COVID-19 Aviation Health Safety Protocol issued by European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and ECDC, or equivalent:
    • During travel to points of departure;
    • At points of departure; and
    • During travel, from origin to destination.
      The following elements should also be taken into consideration:
    • Do airports comply with ICAO safety recommendations?
    • Do airlines serving specific routes comply with ICAO recommendations?
    • Are airports on the EASA list3?
    • Is there negative travel advisory for this country in most of the Member States?
    • Do airlines check, in relation to transit passengers, whether the country of departure is on the list of countries for which travel restrictions can be lifted?

  3. Does the country agree to the same or comparable travel arrangements with the EU? Does this apply to all EU and Schengen States?

  4. Have the EU Member States and Schengen States lifted their travel warnings for the country concerned?
Do you have a link to the criteria?
 

VNwalking

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From Johns Hopkins:
20200624_102341.jpg

The US and Brazil's new cases are heading up steeply. You can see Spain's purple line way down at the bottom. So, given that one of those guidelines is equivalent containment, it may be some time for Americans to be allowed in to the EU:
Can the country be considered as being in a comparable or better epidemiological situation as the average in the EU+ area with regard to:
  • Number of new infections;
  • Trend in new infections; and
  • Response to COVID-19 taking into account available information on aspects such
    as: testing, surveillance, contact tracing, containment, treatment and reporting.
 

Kathar1na

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criteria?
The EU Commission's criteria or checklist as they call it are just a recommendation for the 27 EU governments. Nothing is set in stone. Politico (Europe edition) had more about it this morning, see: https://www.politico.eu/article/america-out-china-in-as-eu-looks-to-reopen-external-borders/.

So until yesterday there were apparently two preliminary draft lists of safe countries circulating and "shown" to some of the press, and Canada was on one of them and not on the other, the USA was on neither list and Australia was on both lists, together with about 50 other countries. And today it all may change again.

The "EU ambassadors" or "EU diplomats" mentioned in the article are permanent representatives of the 27 EU countries and they are based in Brussels. They liaise with their governments and will be the actual decision makers in the end. They meet again today, apparently to discuss this hot topic.
 
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Kathar1na

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CNN also has a pretty factual "behind the scene" report this morning: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/eu-us-coronavirus-travel/index.html

So the EU group tasked with drawing up a list of safe countries will meet today Wednesday 24 June and on Friday 26 June - the meeting calendar (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/meetings/calendar/) is public but not their topics - to discuss this topic apparently.

Currently it is suggested that the list of safe countries will be reviewed every two weeks.
 

nathanael

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Frances, Norte, Plata,
People from just about all countries have already been banned. The question is, who will be allowed in during the phases of re-opening. "Bans" may be in place for many countries, not only the US.
then Europe will suffer more economic downfalls, myself I will take a road trip to Northern Ontario and enjoy the scenery and do some hiking and enjoy RNR.
 

Kathar1na

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then Europe will suffer more economic downfalls, myself I will take a road trip to Northern Ontario and enjoy the scenery and do some hiking and enjoy RNR.
And any ideas from your side about when Canada will lift their travel ban for visitors from Europe? :cool:
 

Sean Lad

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2010 to 2019 walked total of 31 caminos
Americans not banned from Camino but Americans banned from travelling to Europe
 

The Kolbist

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past: Frances, inland Portuguese, Fatima
future: Del Norte, coastal Porugues, Englis
I heard Portugal is showing some love to us...? ;)
 

peregrina2000

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Staff member
Just wanted to add this most recent update. Looks like the US is shut out for the time being. But Canadians, go for it!



It kind of hurts to “not to figure into the discussion.”
 

peregrina2000

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On today’s zoom with Ivar, there was some talk about whether the ban applies based on passport or based on residence. I think there was some inaccurate information given — it seems that place of residence rather than nationality is the key factor, at least according to Forbes. That is the only way that makes sense to me, but maybe common sense is not the lens that applies here.


If it’s the high covid rate that is the basis for the exclusion, why would Spain or any other EU country allow entry to a person living in the US just because the person has a passport from a country not banned? Similarly, why would the EU exclude an American who lives in a country that is not within the ban?

I know this is very confusing, and it is made even more confusing by the fine print, which has exemptions to the ban for EU citizens traveling from the US, etc. etc. Bottom line remains that before you try to board a plane to Europe as either a US citizen or someone living in the US, check the fine print carefully! I believe the Spanish Ministry of Health is issuing online rulings in individual cases, so you will know ahead of time whether you are going to be allowed to travel.

As an aside, I have a friend who has lived in Italy for several years with an Italian partner. He has some official permission or visa, not sure exactly what. He flew from our town to NYC about three days ago, thinking he was going “home” to Italy, but was denied boarding by the airlines at JFK airport.
 
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