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futurefjp

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started in 2013 ... the plot thickens ... 2019 is here and my feet are itching!
Recently returned from walking the southern route between Beziers -
Chemin du piémont pyrénéen -
towards Lourdes (17th September to 3rd October) in France.

Now I am heading to Alicante (5th November) to walk a few weeks the Camino del Sureste (or towards Valencia, Cuenca thence Madrid on the Levante) - escaping Brexit!
 

futurefjp

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Has anyone started from Elche?
 

futurefjp

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It begins tomorrow morning.

I've not been able to get the official stamp today, but I will try the Basilica Santa María later.

It's a bit warm for November! 22°C...
 

Bad Pilgrim

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Staying in Orito or Novelda tomorrow??

Everyone goes to Novelda anyway, I know… :O(

Good luck!

/BP
 

futurefjp

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Staying in Orito or Novelda tomorrow??

Everyone goes to Novelda anyway, I know… :O(

Good luck!

/BP
Why is that? My route was going to follow yours today ...
 

futurefjp

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I am in Orito, but it's now €16 a night. The Bar is fantastic for Menu del Dias ...
 

futurefjp

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This morning, at the Mercado in Alicante, I think I heard a special word, or one I understood? Mantequilla? But when in Alicante why would you? But this guy was an angler and got me a free coffee (so I don't understand).
 

futurefjp

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Just had a fantastic lunch in Petrer, but I've more distance to travel today. Sax isn't too far from here so I must carry on. No real features to the route from Orito this morning.
 

futurefjp

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It's now €35, ouch, to stay at the Hotel Fuente El Cura. But as I really didn't sleep very well in either Alicante or Orito it's probably money well spent - and it includes breakfast which will more than make up for the cost?
 

Bad Pilgrim

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It's now €35, ouch, to stay at the Hotel Fuente El Cura. But as I really didn't sleep very well in either Alicante or Orito it's probably money well spent - and it includes breakfast which will more than make up for the cost?
That's weird. I have stayed there 3 times, always with a pilgrim discount (below 30 euros). It could be someone new in the reception who is not familiar with the Camino?

/BP
 

Bad Pilgrim

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It's now €35, ouch, to stay at the Hotel Fuente El Cura. But as I really didn't sleep very well in either Alicante or Orito it's probably money well spent - and it includes breakfast which will more than make up for the cost?
Just checked your blog. Yes, Caudete will be less expensive if you go to the albergue! The albergue is quaint & cozy in Summer. Just wondering if it will keep warm in autumn/Winter? The hospitalero will probably be Joaquín - he is very nice and will help you with anything!

/BP
 

futurefjp

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Just checked your blog. Yes, Caudete will be less expensive if you go to the albergue! The albergue is quaint & cozy in Summer. Just wondering if it will keep warm in autumn/Winter? The hospitalero will probably be Joaquín - he is very nice and will help you with anything!

/BP
Maybe it's under new ownership?

Today I begin the Camino again. Perhaps I'll start to leave main roads behind me soon? Walking with the constant rush of modernity gets me too caught up in it for my own peace of mind.

Day Three ... It usually takes that many days to get a big city or England out of my mood!
 

futurefjp

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Just checked your blog. Yes, Caudete will be less expensive if you go to the albergue! The albergue is quaint & cozy in Summer. Just wondering if it will keep warm in autumn/Winter? The hospitalero will probably be Joaquín - he is very nice and will help you with anything!

/BP

La Mancha it's relentless.
 

futurefjp

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Keep on walking, I check your blog every day. And the weather! Yes it must be windy and cold out there when it's flat as a pancake?
I want to stop on Sunday ... A rest day. In 3 days where should I head? Levante or Sureste for a town, not a hamlet!
 

futurefjp

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I am so tired today. Only 17 kilometres until Minaya, but the last two days of 40+ Kms really busy me up!
 

Bad Pilgrim

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I am so tired today. Only 17 kilometres until Minaya, but the last two days of 40+ Kms really busy me up!
OK, as for the rest days: La Roda will be the largest place for a while, whether you go on the Sureste or the Levante from there (Minaya). I think San Clemente would be nice to stay for a while? There are no cities until you reach Toledo. On the other hand, the other stops are no hamlets; they are large enough to have all the facilities.

/BP
 

futurefjp

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futurefjp

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OK, as for the rest days: La Roda will be the largest place for a while, whether you go on the Sureste or the Levante from there (Minaya). I think San Clemente would be nice to stay for a while? There are no cities until you reach Toledo. On the other hand, the other stops are no hamlets; they are large enough to have all the facilities.

/BP
The rain. It's got me. But I reached Minaya alive and not absolutely bonkers! Now I'm in the Hostal Restaurante Antolín with fine food, fantastic wine, a few locals staring at me and a most helpful host who is giving me love in the foods he shares! And I'm next to the fire!!!
 

Bad Pilgrim

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Holy hailstorm,

You look like a frozen polar bear in that picture! :Oo

The route splits in Minaya, as you may know. I would prefer to go to San Clemente (jump on the Levante) but it was five years ago so I don't know how much you should take my advice. At least, San Clemente is larger than El Provencio, so more things to see/stores to buy stuff or whatever.

Choose wisely in Minaya. Many a pilgrim has taken the wrong turn and ended up in the "other" place (San Clemente/El Provencio)....!

/BP
 

Bad Pilgrim

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Watch your steps when you go from San Clemente to Las Pedroñeras. You may have read in other blogs about a turn that is easily overlooked. But this was years ago and honestly I haven't heard people complaining for a while… Only those who recently walked the Levante can shine light on this.

I can't stand the noise in some bars either. I walk right out as soon I hear there is a shouting contest. I really don't see the point of 7 men standing in front of each other screaming their lungs out!

/BP
 

futurefjp

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Watch your steps when you go from San Clemente to Las Pedroñeras. You may have read in other blogs about a turn that is easily overlooked. But this was years ago and honestly I haven't heard people complaining for a while… Only those who recently walked the Levante can shine light on this.

I can't stand the noise in some bars either. I walk right out as soon I hear there is a shouting contest. I really don't see the point of 7 men standing in front of each other screaming their lungs out!

/BP
They're simply not present. They're in another world entirely separate from the one which is the Camino - the silence, the chatter of the birds and the shining of the sun!
 

futurefjp

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Now only two. My ankles are ragged after La Mancha

 

futurefjp

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Thinking February. But not Sureste. There is another way that heads via Salamanca
Levante from Toledo to Avíla then to Salamanca?
 

Bad Pilgrim

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Now only two. My ankles are ragged after La Mancha

I read that you have met the hospitalero in Villa de Don Fadrique? He is... interesting.

He could do with a little less talking, that's for sure.

First time around I stayed there and he was very friendly (and talkative). Another year I ran into him in the street (he didn't recognize me) and he got so mad at me because I had decided to carry on to the next village.
 

futurefjp

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I read that you have met the hospitalero in Villa de Don Fadrique? He is... interesting.

He could do with a little less talking, that's for sure.

First time around I stayed there and he was very friendly (and talkative). Another year I ran into him in the street (he didn't recognize me) and he got so mad at me because I had decided to carry on to the next village.
Some people just can't read body signals! It's odd really as he must know how tiring it can be to walk the Camino and the last thing any pilgrim needs is a lecture about pitfalls, etc.

He asked me to list all the ways I've been on forever ... It's impossible! This year I've been on parts of three!!!
 

futurefjp

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I've only claimed a Compostele once. But that was really enough ... And I really didn't know why I was queuing up for a piece of paper?
 

futurefjp

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That's it folks until the spring of 2020.

And I'm already planning coming back to continue from Toledo.

Camino? It's just so addictive!!!
 

Bad Pilgrim

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That's it folks until the spring of 2020.

And I'm already planning coming back to continue from Toledo.

Camino? It's just so addictive!!!
Thanks for the insights on this rainy Camino… I wish I could walk this time of year as well!
 

futurefjp

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Not being a fan of Christmas in the UK, with its huge commercialism, and the threat of Boris Johnson winning this election I've decided I'm better off continuing the Sureste, Levante, etc towards Santiago from Toledo for a few more weeks!

As I find walking much more pleasurable than eating, drinking and watching telly I'm heading back towards Toledo.

Got a flight to Alicante and hopefully BlaBlaCar towards Madrid on Thursday ... But I will get back to Toledo and carry on!
 

Bad Pilgrim

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Not being a fan of Christmas in the UK, with its huge commercialism, and the threat of Boris Johnson winning this election I've decided I'm better off continuing the Sureste, Levante, etc towards Santiago from Toledo for a few more weeks!

As I find walking much more pleasurable than eating, drinking and watching telly I'm heading back towards Toledo.

Got a flight to Alicante and hopefully BlaBlaCar towards Madrid on Thursday ... But I will get back to Toledo and carry on!
Holy hailstorm...!

Not even Lord Buckethead can keep you in the UK?? :Oo He seems like a nice chap.

Does this mean I can cancel my daily newspaper and start following your blog again??

I'm getting sooo jealous... I could go to Spain as well, but I would have to do all the arrangements within a week from now. Furthermore, I don't have any gear for a Winter Camino and would probably get the wrong items and then freeze to death.

I hope you start writing as soon as possible...!

/BP
 

futurefjp

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Hmm, this means you will soon reach the mountains you have to cross to get to Ávila. Not to discourage you, but it could get a little chilly. I hope you have nice weather up there. I would really like to know what it looks like in December.

BP
I've some thermals
 

futurefjp

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Hmm, this means you will soon reach the mountains you have to cross to get to Ávila. Not to discourage you, but it could get a little chilly. I hope you have nice weather up there. I would really like to know what it looks like in December.

BP

 

futurefjp

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I might end my life on
Hmm, this means you will soon reach the mountains you have to cross to get to Ávila. Not to discourage you, but it could get a little chilly. I hope you have nice weather up there. I would really like to know what it looks like in December.

BP
I might end my life on this senseless quest
 

Bad Pilgrim

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The stretch you walked today is so beautiful and peaceful in summer. And a long stretch of non-stop walking without any bars of course. I suspect you are staying in Escalona next? You will like it, it's all pretty and medieval and yadda-yadda. But not as touristy as Toledo. It will make you forget all about Boris...!
 

futurefjp

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Has either village an Albergue?
 

Bad Pilgrim

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Has either village an Albergue?
Albergue?! How the flying flip should I know. I always go for the hostal…! I am the Bad pilgrim, not the Good pilgrim. The only way to get me into an albergue is blindfolded with my hands and feet tied together.

Isolation-wise there is a difference. Apart from Almorox, the Levante includes a large stretch in the lonely hills before San Martín de Valdeiglesias that is poorly waymarked. At least that's what it was in 2014. The Sureste passes a few more villages as far as I remember. I would certainly stick to the Sureste, for practical reasons. But if you don't like road walking, there is more of it on the Sureste here.

Anyway: they both team up again at the Toros de Guisando Theme Park the next day. Don't forget to take a ride.

Good luck!
 

futurefjp

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Albergue?! How the flying flip should I know. I always go for the hostal…! I am the Bad pilgrim, not the Good pilgrim. The only way to get me into an albergue is blindfolded with my hands and feet tied together.

Isolation-wise there is a difference. Apart from Almorox, there is a large stretch in the lonely hills before San Martín de Valdeiglesias that is poorly waymarked. At least that's what it was in 2014. The Sureste passes a few more villages as far as I remember. I would certainly stick to the Sureste, for practical reasons. But if you don't like road walking, there is more of it on the Sureste here.

Anyway: they both team up again at the Toros de Guisando Theme Park the next day. Don't forget to take a tour.

Good luck!
I want a Hostal, but over Christmas Eve and Day. Trying to save my pennies. I stuck to the short route to Sureste. But in two days I hope to reach Ávila.
 

Bad Pilgrim

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You in Ávila yet, cowboy? There are 2 hills to conquer before getting there.

Oh and I just remembered there are 2 ways of descending from that first hill into San Bartolomé de Pinares (are you there already?) I wouldn't know which one is best in Winter conditions. I just know that the one that descends on the road has nicer views. It's the one on asphalt, and possibly traffic, though. It sounds strange but it's the better one of the 2 if you want stunning views of the surroundings. And then again, it might just all be wrapped in December mist...
 

futurefjp

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Ávila by today. Yesterday I tried to get to Saint Bartolomé but it was simply too far before it got dark. I hitched the final 4 kilometres, and the views were wonderful!
 

Bad Pilgrim

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Ok! Just a question: why didn't you stay in Cebreros between Cadalso and Bartolomé? But I haven't stayed there myself so I don't know about accomodation.

The albergue in Ávila is big & comfy & well equipped. I wonder about heating in winter though.
 

futurefjp

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Ok! Just a question: why didn't you stay in Cebreros between Cadalso and Bartolomé? But I haven't stayed there myself so I don't know about accomodation.

The albergue in Ávila is big & comfy & well equipped. I wonder about heating in winter though.
The Albergue was closed
 

Bad Pilgrim

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OK, but if the french cheatigrina mainly travel by bus, you should still have the rest of your journey for yourself, right?

Ávila is beautiful, but always looked a bit stern to me.
 

intrepidtraveler

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Caminos Madrid, Frances and Finisterre (2015)
Camino Norte-2017; Camino Ingles from A Coruna - 2017
Recently returned from walking the southern route between Beziers -
Chemin du piémont pyrénéen -
towards Lourdes (17th September to 3rd October) in France.

Now I am heading to Alicante (5th November) to walk a few weeks the Camino del Sureste (or towards Valencia, Cuenca thence Madrid on the Levante) - escaping Brexit!
The Chemin du Piemont is on my very long Camino-to-Do-List. What was your impression of it? Did you meet any other pilgrims? Thanks for any insight you are willing to offer.
 

futurefjp

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The Chemin du Piemont is on my very long Camino-to-Do-List. What was your impression of it? Did you meet any other pilgrims? Thanks for any insight you are willing to offer.
There were pilgrims. It was great, on the whole, but Lourdes isn't somewhere if ever wish to visit again.
 

futurefjp

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OK, but if the french cheatigrina mainly travel by bus, you should still have the rest of your journey for yourself, right?

Ávila is beautiful, but always looked a bit stern to me.
I preferred Ávila to Toledo
 

futurefjp

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futurefjp

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Ávila must be freezing, at that altitude. So you leave the Sureste and veer off to Salamanca?
I'm now following the Camino Theresa until Alba de Tormes and it gives me one day to reach Salamanca on the Via and stop for 2019!
 

futurefjp

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The day I off in Ávila was crisp and beautiful: perfect weather for me, but yesterday it turned warmer, wetter and windy!
 

Bad Pilgrim

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This is unknown territory for me...! Do you think there are at least a few luxurious hostels between Ávila and Salamanca??
 

Bad Pilgrim

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Congratulations to you and your arrival in Sally-Manca!

All the things you just reported from the albergue de peregrinos are the reasons why I prefer not to stay at albergues anymore. Talking loud and annoying behaviour. No thanks. Whenever I have to stay in an albergue, I try to keep as quiet as possible and avoid to do those same thing to others - but I feel that the "others" never care and just behave as they want towards me anyway. The Camino Choir is quick to tell me "don't stay in the albergue then". Well I don't intend to stay in them anymore so... End of rant.

So you are going back to UK on Boxing Day?
 

futurefjp

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Congratulations to you and your arrival in Sally-Manca!

All the things you just reported from the albergue de peregrinos are the reasons why I prefer not to stay at albergues anymore. Talking loud and annoying behaviour. No thanks. Whenever I have to stay in an albergue, I try to keep as quiet as possible and avoid to do those same thing to others - but I feel that the "others" never care and just behave as they want towards me anyway. The Camino Choir is quick to tell me "don't stay in the albergue then". Well I don't intend to stay in them anymore so... End of rant.

So you are going back to UK on Boxing Day?

Tomorrow ...
 

futurefjp

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That's all for 2019. Next Camino will be Jakobsweg Frankfurt towards France during Lent 2020!
 

Bad Pilgrim

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That's all for 2019. Next Camino will be Jakobsweg Frankfurt towards France during Lent 2020!
Well I for one would certainly like to follow your blog on the Jacobsweg as well. I know nothing about German Caminos, and I only walked 1 Camino in France (Le Puy) a long time ago. Germany sounds like a real adventure!

As for the Sureste, I think spring or autumn would be the best seasons to walk. Too cold in winter and too hot in summer: I walked in 41-42 Celcius in the middle of the day around Toboso in June. I walked with my umbrella, as there was no shadow, much to the bemusement of the few people I saw...

As much as I long to do a December Camino, I have always been scared of the days during the holidays (Christmas, New Year) and the shrinking possibilities of having a place to stay; as well as lack of food and deserted cities. You mentioned some of that in Salamanca. I admire hardy pilgrims who survive that period. Oh well, I will have to find out myself. I have this idea about walking the Camino Francés in winter: perhaps the only time of year to have it (almost) to myself...

/BP
 

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