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Are pilgrims benefitting from the financial woes in Spain?

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An article written by Kiwi journalist Simon Winter on his dirt cheap Camino set me thinking.
Are we pilgrims the only ones benefitting from the twin scourges of low commodity prices and high unemployment in Spain today?
Maybe we should be even more grateful for what we receive whilst on the Camino.

The journalist writes:
"Fresh fruit, cereals, cheese and meats are less than half what they sell for in NZ. It's the same with liquor and other liquids. Of course on the other hand, it's about meeting the market. For Camino locals, riches are in short supply. All of which plays into the pilgrims' hands."


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/walking-the-c ... d=10809011
 
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Pilgrims were an economic engine before the currents financial woes. Prices have actually gone up a bit in the last five years, so no, I don't think pilgrims are taking advantage of the financial woes in Spain. Are they benefiting? We always benefited, it seems to me, as all parties benefit in honest free markets. :D
 
I'm not sure foreign pilgrims are benefitting as much as the Spanish are suffering.

If Spain still had the peseta that would have devalued compared to the Euro and other foreign currencies, leading to an increase in the cost of their imports but making their exports more competitive. This would have allowed for some economic growth to ease unemployment.

As foreigners we would benefit from the better exchange rate so wouldn't notice the difference in the cost of imported goods but potentially benefit from the relatively low cost of home produced fare, which is what I usually gorge on.

So I'd say the answer is no. The difference in price between Spain and NZ is probably more down to the level of tax applied to goods such as alcohol in the two countries.

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when you start feeling guilty, think about how much money is flowing into the towns along the camino and how many people are employed because of services provided to pilgrims and then ask yourself if they'd be better off if we weren't there. In general, the answer to that question is no so, IMO, both groups are benefiting. We get a potentially lower cost and they get money that wouldn't be there were it not for the camino.
 
On the east coast in recent years, costs tend to have stabilised rather than decreased. On the camino it is probably the same. Santiago itself can be quite expensive. In one cafe I was charged 10 Euros for a bottle of wine on top of the 10 Euros for the menu del dia. I expressed surprise but was told it was normal in Santiago. Knowing that wine can cost the restaurant under a euro a bottle, I used a different bar the next evening .. and was charged 7 Euros for tapas of ten croquettes [ungarnished] and 15 Euros for a bottle of wine! But that is Santiago.
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Yes. Inflation in Spain is in line with the EU average. There is no deflation as the article suggests. Nor is the decline of some of the villages along the Camino due to the recent situation but rather decades of internal migration.

The current problems are largely due to a property bubble and poor lending by banks, and in that sense are more similar to the US a few years ago than, say Greece.

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If things are cheaper we naturally eat more, so yes .......& getting fatter too :lol:

sorry this is very tongue in check, I hope 50% unemployment figure changes for the better, but then I did not see 50% of Spanish people lying about......did you?

& what would be the best unemployment figure?
 
The first few of Simon Winters' articles in my opinion showed him to be a Kiwi whinger and I'm a Kiwi so I know one when I come across one. How hard the walking was, the blisters, how the snoring drove him out of albergues into more suitable accommodation.
Practically nothing regarding the wonders of the countryside, its history, architecture, people or culture.
I did submit my views but they were not considered suitable to be included under 'Comments'. They were somewhat harsh I must admit. I'm not backward in dealing it out to my somewhat insular fellow countrymen when I feel they are out of line.
Get on topic Gerard.
Are pilgrims benefitting from the financial woes in Spain?
Of course!
It's called capitalism. The 'situation' ensures 'tourism' in Spain is very competitive internationally. It ensures a steady flow of money into Spain, thereby helping it's financial reconstruction.
Instead of guilt, let's feel happy, for both the pilgrims and the Spanish.
Eat up pilgrim, drink up pilgrim.
Do yourself and our Spanish friends a favour,

Gerard
 
Abbeydore said:
sorry this is very tongue in check, I hope 50% unemployment figure changes for the better, but then I did not see 50% of Spanish people lying about......did you?

& what would be the best unemployment figure?
I think the 50% figure is among young people. General unemployment is closer to 25%, which is still far too high.

What's the best unemployment figure? On an economic level you can argue that some unemployment helps keep wages down and by consequence inflation. On a human/social level you can argue that any unemployment is negative.

I used to work on the labour market stats for the UK government. Unemployment here never got lower than about 1.5m (5.x%), but at that point a lot of the analysis was shifting from getting the 'unemployed' into work, to the 'inactive'. These are people who are not working but aren't classed as unemployed because they're not looking for work or available to start etc. (due to lack of childcare, caring responsibilities etc).

Sorry we're getting way, way off topic. You shouldn't get me started.

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It seems to me that meals in Spain cost slightly more than in the US but the quality is better. We are going to New Zealand later this Summer and it appears from our research that food costs are much higher...as you would expect from a remote island where a many things are imported.

Tourism is usually a great economic benefit to a country. I remember stopping at a small bar for a sandwich and watching 15 other pilgrims do the same. There weren't many houses in the area and I can't help but think that pilgrims were a major source of income for that small business.
 
tyrrek said:
Sorry we're getting way, way off topic. You shouldn't get me started.
Yes we are, and no we shouldn't!
Along the Camino, suppliers of services to pilgrims (let me refrain from further qualifying the masses which are moving along the stretches to Santiago), have obviously noticed the increasing volumes of people taking "The Walk". Thus operators are asking what they can possibly get. It's related to the local conditions, not the country's economics as a whole. Prices during off-season are lower than in the peak.
So far they seem to remain stable, not withstanding the financial woes of Spain.
 
fraluchi said:
tyrrek said:
Sorry we're getting way, way off topic. You shouldn't get me started.
Yes we are, and no we shouldn't!
Along the Camino, suppliers of services to pilgrims (let me refrain from further qualifying the masses which are moving along the stretches to Santiago), have obviously noticed the increasing volumes of people taking "The Walk". Thus operators are asking what they can possibly get. It's related to the local conditions, not the country's economics as a whole. Prices during off-season are lower than in the peak.
So far they seem to remain stable, not withstanding the financial woes of Spain.
Thank you for the correction Fraluhi (I'd already corrected myself). And for the qualification about who are pilgrims or not - thanks for reminding us. It's so important that we distinguish carefully between 'types' on the Camino. Not.:shock:

I do however disagree with the 'operators are asking what they can possibly get' statement. In a number of villages there is one bar/cafe. These tend to be reasonably priced in my experience despite the captive market. I appreciate that rents are probably very low etc, but I never got the sense of being ripped off.

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A complex issue
a)some rural villages would have died out or become museum pieces without the camino passing through them

b)i sell coffee in London England where i have a delicatesen.The mark up on coffee and drinks is what supports the whole shop.I charge a market rate for a cafe latte...but my most regular customers get it discounted. You will find the camino rate for drinks in bars is differant to the villager rate.Don't think you are being ripped off...you spend 5 euros on your visit...a local may spend a thousand euros a year..they deserve to be looked after...plain economics

c)The most expensive part of anyones travells(excluding Las Vegas) will be accomadation...as pilgrims we have the chance for well priced budget lodgings...this is the item that brings the camino within reach of so many.It saves each of us walking approx 40 euros a day.Try doing a month long walk in Scotland and see how far 30 euros a day will take you.

the relationship between spain and the pelligrino is entirely symbiotic
 
The worst of the freeloading pilgrims cannot hold a candle to these folks:
(Reuters) - A flock of "vulture" funds is gathering in Madrid in the hope that a banking sector shakeout will finally deliver a bonanza of real estate and distressed company assets at rock bottom prices.

Hedge funds and private equity houses are renewing ties with Spanish lenders and government officials, bankers said, as reforms push banks to offload troubled assets at steep discounts.

"They want to make sure they're among the first five people we call up when assets from the banks start moving," said a senior investment banker who spent the last two weeks shepherding such investors around the Spanish capital.

Vulture funds, which were a regular sight at Dublin airport when Ireland's banks were in turmoil, have swooped on Madrid's plush Palace Hotel, shuttling up and down the Castellana avenue, one of the capital's main arteries and home to investment bank offices and Spanish banks.
 
I walked 2011 and 2012. I was on the Norte this year and feel I actually spent less as the Alberques were generally only €5 a night and I didn't drink as many grande claras (stuck to a wine from shop). However, very near the Cathedral in Santiago there is a Restaurant "tarara?" and we ate there last year and again this year, €6.40 for menu incl wine, water and pan. And he brought us white and red wine too, can't complain about that, like all cities you need to look for value. (Up near Santa Clara we had a very dear night out-€25 each!-lots of good ribeiro vino).
Our young Portugese friend would hardly ever eat with us in a bar/daytime/cafe but go in search of a eroski/tienda where he bought rolls, ham, cheese etc..but he also had menus with us when he needed real hot food, we enjoyed many very fine meals and great hospitality.
 
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Rocco Rossi: The human cost of the eurozone crisis

Rocco Rossi, National Post Jun 7, 2012 – 3:13 PM ET

At age 50, his factory shut down and he lost his job. Two years later, his money ran out, and so did his wife and young daughter. At age 55, he was walking the Camino de Santiago in Spain. That’s where I met him.

During the Depression, many “rode the rails” in Canada and the United States. Enrique, however, has been walking the Camino — a thousand-year-old pilgrimage route — continuously for over three years. His well-worn shoes, clothes and two carrying bags represent the sum total of his worldly possessions. He sleeps out most nights, and his favourite spots are cemeteries, “They are quiet,” he explained. “No one bothers me there.”

He looked for work for years, and still does. But he’s largely given up hope he can return to the life he once had. He doesn’t want to beg and can’t afford a bus ticket or a place to stay, so he walks.

A proud man who values working to support himself, he does odd jobs along the way for food and the odd coin. He’s picked apples and cherries in Bierzo; gutted fish in Galicia; cut and stacked hundreds of cords of wood in Navarre; harvested grapes in the Rioja; loaded potatoes in Palencia; weeded gardens in Castille; and milked cows, goats and sheep everywhere in between. For one week each month he can stay in a monastery in Santiago for 1.50 euro a day. That gets him a bed, a hot shower and three meals. He can only stay there for a week each month, though, because of the rules — and because he needs the other three weeks to raise the 10.50 euro.

When on the move, Enrique walks an average of 30 km a day. He’s covered almost 27,000 km in the last three years — two-thirds the circumference of the Earth.

Politics make little difference to Enrique — he lost everything under the socialist regime. The “austerity” measures of the current conservative government have no relevance to him. Walking and sleeping out have not been any different under either government.

He is not the only “economic pilgrim” on the trail. Not one of the Spanish parents I met walking expect their children to work in Spain when they graduate. All are encouraging their children to learn German, English or Chinese as passports to greater opportunity. Many of those whose children have already graduated have seen them leave for the U.K., the Netherlands or Germany.

The official unemployment rate in Spain is almost 25% — numbers North America hasn’t seen since the Great Depression. Youth unemployment is over twice that. And those numbers don’t include people like Enrique, who are completely off the statistical grid, or those who have gone elsewhere.

Spending well beyond its means didn’t help Spain’s government create the sort of diversified economy that could absorb the thousands of university students graduating each year. Nor did building thousands of new apartments, factories and offices with cheap borrowed money ensure that there would be buyers in the end. In fact, for people like Enrique, the only silver lining to the massive real estate bubble that devastated Spain is that there are now many empty buildings within which to squat.

It’s not much better in the countryside. Near Ponferrada, I came across Antonio, who was out herding his 500 sheep in the hills. He always has meat, milk and cheese, but it cost him over 1,000 euro to have his sheep shorn this year, and he received only 50 euro for the wool. The price he gets for meat and milk has declined over the last three years, and, the week before we met, he lost 23 of his sheep to wolves. Thankfully, he is still able to make ends meet because his wife has found a part-time job helping in a local restaurant that services the growing number of pilgrims in the region.

The recent headlines about the “euro crisis” and “downgrading of credit ratings” and “currency fluctuations” simply don’t capture the very significant personal toll that is being experienced here each and every day.

National Post
 

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