Bag transport and reservations...what?

[Khaul]

So I've just finished my third Camino and I found the bag transporting and people with little to no packs having reserved and/or got into Albergues pretty frustrating. Don't get me wrong, if people are injured that's fine but when I see the regular Jacotrans van flying by every day rammed with packs, it annoys me when way more people then not are physically capable to carry it.

My problem is the fact I got turned away from numerous places only to see people which were sitting around in their make up and fresh clothing from their wheelie bags that are transported along every stage while me with pack having to walk on to the next village sometimes.

Maybe I'm a bit angry but I think anyone who bag drops (minus injury) so be told to wait till 6pm to reserve a bed.

I'm not even going to go into the AC buses of pilgrims post Sarria that dominate the Albergues (reserved) and their tour guides book out all the tables to sit at in some bars for food so yet having to go to next bar/village for food.

I suppose I am annoyed but in the five years since my last Camino, this has turned into a commercialised joke of a walk.

 

[Waka]

@Khaul I can understand your frustration but try not to beat yourself up about it. Everyone has different priorities on the camino, some like to carry their whole wardrobe and get dolled up every evening, others like many on this forum like to carry all they need. I guess what I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't judge others for the way they do the journey.
Also remember it is only the private albergues that they are allowed to book ahead, if you concentrate on the municipals then you should be ok.
you're right, from Sarria onwards is best left unsaid.

Buen Camino

 

[trecile]

I just arrived in Santiago (started in St Jean and carrying my pack) and had absolutely zero issues getting a bed for the night anywhere along the way. In fact, last night in Pedrouzo I counted at least 20 empty beds in the very nice albergue I stayed in.

I'm pretty tired of hearing people who made a choice to walk a long distance and carry their own bag criticizing those who chose a different way.

I spent about an hour on my walk today angry about someone who left a note outside their tent along the trail asking for donations because they were a "real" pilgrim, not a tourist on a cheap holiday. (then I was angry at myself for letting it get to me) As if they are somehow more deserving to be on the Camino than someone who they know nothing about. Maybe that "tourist" has limited time because they care for a sick child or parent. Maybe that "tourist" has devoted their life to doing work that improves the lives of others. I consider those to be much more noble acts than someone who is walking the Camino, which is an act that really only benefits the "pilgrim". Every one of us who has the time, money and health to walk the Camino are very fortunate, and should be thankful that we have the opportunity to do so. It's impossible to know the circumstances of others on the way, and certainly not helpful to judge them for not taking the same path we are.

Furthermore, when people have their packs transported they are actually helping to provide jobs to Spaniards! As are those who are taking a bus, or following a tour guide.

I personally enjoyed meeting people who had just begun and were eager to start the Camino, regardless of how much time they were spending on it.

 

[Deleted member 12253]

I just arrived in Santiago (started in St Jean and carrying my pack) and had absolutely zero issues getting a bed for the night anywhere along the way. In fact, last night in Pedrouzo I counted at least 20 empty beds in the very nice albergue I stayed in.

I'm pretty tired of hearing people who made a choice to walk a long distance and carry their own bag criticizing those who chose a different way.

I spent about an hour on my walk today angry about someone who left a note outside their tent along the trail asking for donations because they were a "real" pilgrim, not a tourist on a cheap holiday. (then I was angry at myself for letting it get to me) As if they are somehow more deserving to be on the Camino than someone who they know nothing about. Maybe that "tourist" has limited time because they care for a sick child or parent. Maybe that "tourist" has devoted their life to doing work that improves the lives of others. I consider those to be much more noble acts than someone who is walking the Camino, which is an act that really only benefits the "pilgrim". Every one of us who has the time, money and health to walk the Camino are very fortunate, and should be thankful that we have the opportunity to do so. It's impossible to know the circumstances of others on the way, and certainly not helpful to judge them for not taking the same path we are.

Furthermore, when people have their packs transported they are actually helping to provide jobs to Spaniards! As are those who are taking a bus, or following a tour guide.

I personally enjoyed meeting people who had just begun and were eager to start the Camino, regardless of how much time they were spending on it.

Bed issue has me baffled as well. On Camino from sjpdep to Burgos plenty of beds. I usually finish trek by 1 30. Never start trek before 7 30. Plenty of time for shower dinner, washing clothes and exploring town or village. Bit of a breeze really Buen Camino. I walk solo and senior citizen Buen camino

 

[kmrice]

I'm in Carrion de los Condes. When we started in SJPdP, like the OP, I unhappy with the changes since I walked the Camino in 2013.

I was annoyed to see all the young, fit appearing, people pass me along the way, meeting their packs, or suitcases, at the alberques where they had reserved. Then, I met the robust appearing Irish man with only a tiny daypack who, as it turned out, was recovering from a stroke.

I was particularly annoyed at the complainers saying "oh, how hard it is to walk so far" or "oh, why is their no washing machine" or "why is the WiFi so slow." Why couldn't they accept the Camino as it is?

I've come to realize, of course, the contradiction in my thinking; I was myself complaining and not accepting the Camino as it is.

I now try to accept the Camino as it is, complete with luggage transport, taxi's, and all. The Camino is what it is, and, like everything else, it changes. I'm enjoying my Camino far more now.

 

[musicman]

Can anyone recommend luggage transfer co. On via de la Plata, from Zamora to S de C ?
Tried Correos, bu they say they don't facilitate that section.

Planning ahead, for next Spring.

Thanks.

 

[Waka]

Can anyone recommend luggage transfer co. On via de la Plata, from Zamora to S de C ?
Tried Correos, bu they say they don't facilitate that section.

Planning ahead, for next Spring.

Thanks.

Tongue in cheek methinks.

 

[jerbear]

My caminos shall temper me. A mantra of mine. Small stuff.

 

[Smallest_Sparrow]

Tongue in cheek methinks.

actually, I think a genuine plea for information. I started a new thread in VdlP, if anyone knows please answer him, I searched the forum and couldn't find an answer, and I only walked one step of this camino, so never got a feel for support infrastructure. thanks so much, and forgive the veer off topic

 

[rector]

So I've just finished my third Camino

There is the problem, I was angry after my third camino, but I got over it. It is the fourth this coming June perhaps I will be even more angry!!!!!!!!

 

[Smallest_Sparrow]

I understand the frustration of the OP (who may by now be all over it). So many good suggestions on how to deal with or avoid this aggravation (and of course venting helps); the one I didn't see: book ahead yourself. The same places they reserved you can reserve. http://Gronze.com, http://caminodesantiago.consumer.es/, booking.com, etc....this info is not to criticize the OP (they might not have known) but to help future walkers. You can book ahead just a day or two...just not the municipal or parochial ...I did it when I knew I would be caught in a mob of people, you don't need to book the whole route in advance. I understand Basic Spanish (as long as they don't talk as fast as they so often do OMG take a breath) but it's hard to understand me (especially on the phone)...still we managed between my Spanish and their English...or you could get help from the hospitaleros where you are the night before...just a suggestion. I did not find having a bed reserved detracted from my camino experience, it allowed me to relax. Sometimes I stayed in a city more than one day (how can you not in Bilbao, Leon, Pamplona, Astorga, etc.) so I booked a hotel or pension, and collected a care package from the post office that had nice things that let me be a tourist, not a pilgrim, for one day of pampering... but anyone who saw me could have recognized me from the albergue the night prior). OTOH no amount of pampering makes me look too good to be a 'true pilgrim'...to many years of life behind me.

 

[Felice]

From my limited experience on the France's in Sept, it seems that a pilgrim has 2 choices: either finish walking by 2 or 2.30 at the latest, or book ahead.
If you finish walking by very early afternoon , you will wonder what all the fuss is about as you will very seldom not get a bed. Walk until say 5, and the problems arise.
Moral, if you are a slow and steady walker or a late riser, plan ahead.

 

[Anniesantiago]

The one thing in life you can count on is change.
Sometimes that is a hard lesson.
For me, it has been - at the end of my Camino this year I was ready to toss in the towel.
In fact, I left my backpack in a dumpster in Madrid.

But now, after much struggle, I'm dealing with accepting the change that is happening on the Camino.

For one thing, the idea that a "real" pilgrim carries a pack is bull pucky.
From the beginning of the Camino, those who could afford to had their baggage transported by cart or donkey or porter.

There is nothing written anywhere that says a pilgrim must carry their pack.
Just as there is nothing written anywhere (as much as I hate it) that says a pilgrim can't take along 100 pounds of makeup and clothes if they want.

Each pilgrim walks their own way.
Some albergues save beds for those walking with packs.
Others take reservations and don't care.
Even the Roncesvalles albergue now accepts transported bags.

Change . . . it happens.
You roll with it or you suffer.
That's just life.

 

[ashleygf]

I had a wry smile at reading this thread .
My wife and I walked the Camino St Jacques in 2012 from Le Puy to Cahors and then finished in 2014 from Cahors to Roncevalles. The reasoning being that IF we did the Spanish Way we would be happier starting from TOP of the Pyrenees rather than at St JPDP.
Sooo we had walked close to 400 kms by the end of our last day . For the last week we had decided that my wife , who had suffered really bad blisters ,would have her pack carried . We had overpacked and were carrying 12kg plus packs , but at 63 we were looking at it as strength training ;-) . Strength STRAINING as it turned out.

Anyway , it was HIGHLY amusing to strike up conversations with people who were starting their camino who were quite openly disturbed at the sight of a packless person.( My wife as free as a bird since we could put her day stuff in my pack.) Why no pack ?. WHy did they care.??

Ahh life is wonderful . Anyway , this time due to injuries received from bike riding in a gale in Ireland (Greenway track is lovely - in the right weather) our mini camino from Porto to SDC will be - for at least the first week- supported by car.
Yehaah ! Couldn't be happier.

As has been been pointed out, reservations can be made in advance . We made sure of it in France and that gave us incentive to get going early to walk the long days since we HAD to get there.

The Camino is about learning about yourself , not competing. This is my 3'rd and I am SLOWLY starting to appreciate this . As another poster has pointed out , the commercialisation of the Camino has been a boon for local people. Surely that is a good thing ?.

 

[bunnymac]

So I've just finished my third Camino and I found the bag transporting and people with little to no packs having reserved and/or got into Albergues pretty frustrating. Don't get me wrong, if people are injured that's fine but when I see the regular Jacotrans van flying by every day rammed with packs, it annoys me when way more people then not are physically capable to carry it.

My problem is the fact I got turned away from numerous places only to see people which were sitting around in their make up and fresh clothing from their wheelie bags that are transported along every stage while me with pack having to walk on to the next village sometimes.

Maybe I'm a bit angry but I think anyone who bag drops (minus injury) so be told to wait till 6pm to reserve a bed.

I'm not even going to go into the AC buses of pilgrims post Sarria that dominate the Albergues (reserved) and their tour guides book out all the tables to sit at in some bars for food so yet having to go to next bar/village for food.

I suppose I am annoyed but in the five years since my last Camino, this has turned into a commercialised joke of a walk.

I had some of my kit transported along the way. Mostly I carried my own kit and that of one of my daughter's (she's 12 weighs about 40 kgs). I saw some people carry all their kit all the way, some not. I also booked some albergues in advance.
I try to ignore those who consider me less of a pilgrim, just as I ignore whether people carry their own pack or not or what kind of accommodation they seek. That's their journey and my journey is my journey. I confess that initially I found the journey from Sarria to Santiago less tranquil than that from SJPP to Sarria. At Gonzar we had to queue to walk along narrow pass. Once I chose to accept that part of the journey for what it was, busy, commercial and filled with many people who had yet to find their 'quiet', I really enjoyed it. I also accepted that it was very different from my first month of travel. I kept my mind open and met wonderful people who were doing their camino, their way and under their own terms. I now look by and consider that I had two caminos. One as far as Sarria and another from Sarria onwards.
I also have little doubt that the commercialisation of the camino has gone on for centuries. The Catholic church in particular has shown itself to be most efficient at commercialising its assets. Lourdes, Vatican City and Knock being the only ones I have personal experience of. I find them grotesque and choose not to ever go there again (with the exception of the Vatican Museum).
Should I go on the camino again for the purpose of reflection, I will probably stop at Sarria or choose a quieter time of year to walk, not because I have any objection to the crowds or the commercialisation, but because it is not the journey I seek.

 

[C clearly]

I'm pretty tired of hearing people who made a choice to walk a long distance and carry their own bag criticizing those who chose a different way.

Exactly!

Who said that carrying a pack and walking is the most important "suffering" that pilgrims should endure? Perhaps that's too easy for most of us, and learning to put up with annoying people is a more important lesson of the camino.

 

[grayland]

Remember that the OP has the right to express his/her opinion..just as others have.
Your opinion of transporting packs or wheeled suitcases ?? may differ but it is still just your "opinion".

The forum does not function on PC or "group think" basis.
Rudeness, insults and personal attacks are not allowed...Personal preferences and opinions are welcome.

 

[BonitaHolland]

Bed issue has me baffled as well. On Camino from sjpdep to Burgos plenty of beds. I usually finish trek by 1 30. Never start trek before 7 30. Plenty of time for shower dinner, washing clothes and exploring town or village. Bit of a breeze really Buen Camino. I walk solo and senior citizen Buen camino

We are walking 12-18km each day without a guide book.... we book a bed on the day using gronze.com the night before or 8 hours ahead or less as I like to know where I'm staying so I can relax on the walk. It's not a 'breeze' for me it's hard to walk everyday. I've now been on the Camino for 19 days and I'm weary even though I've had two rest days. I carry my pack to educate myself about what I really need as I'm planning on downsizing and decluttering my life on my return home, this is an opportunity for me but I might use a courier later when I've learnt what I need to know. I'm only on stage 11.... but this is ok as I stop in beautiful places to look and feel the Camino. I'll never walk the Camino again, so each footstep is special to me.

 

[SYates]

... I'll never walk the Camino again,...

You Optimist! Buen Camino, SY

 

[domigee]

Remember that the OP has the right to express his/her opinion..just as others have.
Your opinion of transporting packs or wheeled suitcases ?? may differ but it is still just your "opinion".
.

And it was the OP's first posting ...

 

[SYates]

And it was the OP's first posting ...

And hopefully not his last! Buen Camino @Khaul ! SY

 

[Smallest_Sparrow]

You Optimist! Buen Camino, SY

you owe me for the coke I just spit out....

 

[trecile]

Exactly!

Who said that carrying a pack and walking is the most important "suffering" that pilgrims should endure? Perhaps that's too easy for most of us, and learning to put up with annoying people is a more important lesson of the camino.

Why must anyone suffer? Isn't there already enough suffering in the world without inflicting it on ourselves? What's wrong with walking with joy in every step?

 

[Mark Lee]

The bags/packs sent ahead thing is not that big of a deal, and really nothing wrong with doing that. Now I do admit, it's kinda annoying to have tourist style pilgrims who aren't even really walking the Camino take up bed spaces as they unload from cars, vans and buses, but overall one is still able to hold on to a really cool Camino experience.
Now the circus acts (yes, literally circus acts) in the plaza and around the cathedral in SDC, that really disgusted me. But that's another story...

 

[Felice]

I am so grateful that I am able to carry my own pack. I'm not young, and I'm not as fit as I used to be, but I can still carry my pack WITHOUT suffering.
When I started my first Camino, I used to joke that my pack was 'my life in 6kg'. It was so therapeutic to have made life so simple, especially as my life at home was so complex - we were still in the process of merging two complete households, having recently returned from a decade overseas, as well as clearing my mother in law's home. So the contrast between the simplicity of my possessions whilst walking and the sensation of drowning under stuff back home was really acute.
The experience left a lasting change in attitudes to the importance of possessions. It would not have happened had I had my pack carried, when I would have had access to a wider range of stuff. I'd have put in lots of things 'just in case', and no doubt have used some of them. I would never have been able to let go in the same way.
So when people choose to have their bags forwarded rather than carry them themselves, I feel sad for them as they have missed out on the opportunity to learn one of the Camino lessons. That's not to criticise those who are unable to carry a basic pack, as they no doubt have experienced other lessons, and maybe others who could have carried their own pack but chose not to, too. But in this materialistic age, a Camino lesson on how less is enough, is one that as many as possible should experience.

 

[domigee]

A thousand likes to this

 

[Anemone del Camino]

Why must anyone suffer? Isn't there already enough suffering in the world without inflicting it on ourselves? What's wrong with walking with joy in every step?

Here is whatbthe Pilgrims Office hasbto say on sufferig, and what the cathedral did NOT want the Camino to be:

"The appearance of motor vehicles and, in this century, the popularisation of tourism, represented somewhat of a crisis for pilgrimage: it was feared that the effort and sacrifice in the expiation of sins embraced in the pilgrimage on foot would be exchanged by a pleasant and enjoyable activity for the holidays. The Chapter of the Metropolitan Church of Santiago continued to issue the certificate and in modern times the award of the “Compostela” is limited to those who come to the tomb of the Apostle for religious and/or spiritual reasons, and following the routes of the Way of St. James on foot, by bicycle or on horseback. They are required to have travelled at least the last 100 kilometres on foot or horseback or the last 200 by bicycle, which is demonstrated by the “Credencial del Peregrino” duly stamped along the route travelled. Therefore other forms of travel to access the Compostela are excluded, except in the case of the disabled."

The cathedral dows not want the Camino to be " a pleasant and enjoyable activity for the holidays". Hence the 100 km for walking.

 

[Mark Lee]

I guess on any of the times I walked the Camino I was just never overly concerned over how someone else was walking it. Never gave any thought to whether or not their experience was the same as mine. Whether or not they experienced what I experienced, or whether or not the Camino taught them anything. It's none of my business and honestly I didn't care. The Camino was/is my personal journey. My first priority while walking it was to reach Santiago and to experience what I wanted to experience on it. As long as nobody else walking it is injured, doing harm to others or generally acting in a negative way that effects fellow pilgrims, I could care less of their motives for the journey or how they chose to do it or what they do. Sure, the big tourist groups might get me to shake my head, as did the pilgrims with enormous suitcases and duffles transported ahead, but one quickly moves on from that. Although, I still laugh to myself a bit at the sight of one guy I saw in an albergue who had clothes transported ahead. He'd change into pajamas at night, complete with a smoking jacket looking robe and slippers. Like a Camino Hugh Hefner . but I ain't judging, just chuckling

 

[Smallest_Sparrow]

He'd change into pajamas at night, complete with a smoking jacket looking robe and slippers. Like a Camino Hugh Hefner . but I ain't judging, just chuckling

I will laugh at this mental image for at least a week, thank you

 

[Nanc]

Near the end of my first Camino and recent dinner conversations, since Sarria especially, go to the appearance of various pilgrims and their modes.
It appears theCamino is an ancient path. But the reasons, uses, methods for each person's Camino have varied for a long time.
I chose my distance, my mode, my pack size. I did find ego in my ability to carry my own pack, so when I partially blew my disc again in a coughing fit, it was hard to accept the bag HAD to be transported for 4 days. For a time, that WAS my Canino.
But There really are no regulations on how it SHOULD be done. Just the cultural setting of expectations.

So as my dinner friends spent needless (IMHO) energy in anger at the short timers with a satchels, I spoke of my admiration that so many Spaniards and college girls took the time to walk. That the large sized women who obviously weren't athletic were doing it! That the energetic Italians with light packs were spending time on the same trail as me instead of hanging in a discos.
Whatever their motive, whatever their mode, their noise, our lives are, for a moment, on this same path. And MY effort and intent are not affected by their choices.
Nanc

 

[MTtoCamino]

Amazing but it shows how a free market works.

I admit the same experience would not make me happy either. So to add to the free market situation it will simply be the less traveled routes during off season.

 

[julia-t]

It would be simpler for me if I could carry my pack. It would be nice not to have to book ahead each day, it would be lovely to have the freedom to just stop when I feel like it.

But with a dodgy disc which pops out fairly often causing excruciating pain and sciatica right down to my toes, plus foot problems (plantar fasciitis in one, navicular stress in the other, and flattening arches in both) it is better for my long-term health if I don't. So I use a transport service and book ahead.

I make sure to pack as light as possible because I have to carry my pack at the airports and when travelling to my start point, then home again. And sometimes when on camino I arrive at my day's destination and might decide to walk on a few km to stay with my companions, or just because I feel I can.

Carrying my pack does not make me a better pilgrim: it just makes me a grumpy and miserable one!

Keeping my body as healthy and pain-free as possible means I will be able to walk many more Caminos.

 

[MTtoCamino]

It would be simpler for me if I could carry my pack. It would be nice not to have to book ahead each day, it would be lovely to have the freedom to just stop when I feel like it.

But with a dodgy disc which pops out fairly often causing excruciating pain and sciatica right down to my toes, plus foot problems (plantar fasciitis in one, navicular stress in the other, and flattening arches in both) it is better for my long-term health if I don't. So I use a transport service and book ahead.

I make sure to pack as light as possible because I have to carry my pack at the airports and when travelling to my start point, then home again. And sometimes when on camino I arrive at my day's destination and might decide to walk on a few km to stay with my companions, or just because I feel I can.

Carrying my pack does not make me a better pilgrim: it just makes me a grumpy and miserable one!

Keeping my body as healthy and pain-free as possible means I will be able to walk many more Caminos.

It also means everyone is happier where they decide to stop. I don't believe the OP would disagree your need nor would I, I think it is simply how the Camino has not kept up with the changes that have occurred. Nor those of us that still keep our blissfull memories. I never saw a suitcase my entire trip, until leaving Santiago.
Keith

 

[kmrice]

One advantage to carrying your pack is that it helps you focus on how little stuff you need. On the Camino, of course, but in life, generally, as well. When you only have what you are willing to carry, you learn how happy you can be with very little.

When my wife and I returned from walking the CF in 2013, we threw out, or gave away, an amazing amount of stuff, none of which we miss. I'm sure when we get back from this year's Camino, we'll do the same.

We're grateful we are still able to carry our packs, and to continue learning how little we really need to be happy.

 

[Former member 35551]

When I did Le Puy to Santiago two years ago, there was this guy who had a huge roller bag and a backpack. He stuck the backpack in the roller bag, which he then had taxied to his nightly stops. Very interesting fella.

He was going up to St Jean and my Le Puy Camino family got tremendous enjoyment discussing why he would do such a thing. I think someone finally asked him but his answer made no sense.

I realize that this probably does not mitigate your pain but I was reminded of it by your post and gave me a good chuckle.

Viva la difference.

 

[Anniesantiago]

So when people choose to have their bags forwarded rather than carry them themselves, I feel sad for them as they have missed out on the opportunity to learn one of the Camino lessons. .

How do you know they've missed out on anything?
Seems feeling sad for people who don't carry their pack is a lesson for YOU rather than for them.
The fact is, you do not know their situation.
Take me, for example.
I carried my pack on my first Camino all the way from SJPP to Santiago.
I've been there, done that.
Every step.
I don't care to do it now.
Now, I book bag transport for many reasons.
I can.
I want to.
It's easier for me to walk.
I have had injuries.
I like supporting the Spanish economy.
I don't feel I need to suffer.
I want to enjoy every step without the burden of extra weight.
But mostly, simply because I want to.
And that's MY choice
just like carrying your pack is your choice.
So I'd say, don't feel sad ::handing Felice a hankerchief:::
Wipe those tears and worry about your own Camino.
Let others walk theirs.

 

[Anemone del Camino]

How do you know they've missed out on anything?
The fact is, you do not know their situation.
Take me, for example? I carried my pack on my first Camino all the way from SJPP to Santiago.
I've been there, done that.
Every step.
I don't care to do it now.
Now, I book bag transport for many reasons.
I can.
I want to.
It's easier for me to walk.
I have had injuries.
I like supporting the Spanish economy.
I don't feel I need to suffer..[/QUOTE

People here keep quoating people with disabilities of any kind as a reason" not to judge" . So, how many people are like you, really unable to carry their path, bs thinking they can"t, or won't? Because in my experience are those who really have a hindrance who do walk.

Last year in Cee I was overwhelmed by a foursome of South American wealthy women ( and please don't come and ask me how I knew, it' like having a radar: cuex aui s'assemble se ressemblent) discussing how little they would eat that evening in order not Gain weight...

Do don't be lazy, suffer as the Chuch asks you to, and shlep your backpack! Unkess you really can't. Or is propagting eating disorders a way to suffer as dictated? ;0(

I agree, those who don't try to carry thei pack and/or walk beyond 7am to 1pm are cheating themselves of the Camino.

And if you like supporting thr local economy, give to itd local Red Cross, hospital, and get nothing in return. That is generosity.

 

[Anniesantiago]

Do don't be lazy, suffer as the Chuch asks you to, and shlep your backpack! Unkess you really can't. Or is propagting eating disorders a way to suffer as dictated? ;0(

Can you show me where the Church asks me to schlep my backpack?
I wasn't aware it was a requirement.

Tell you what... you carry your pack and I'll ship mine ahead.
Then we'll both be happy

 

[MTtoCamino]

I met some refuges that just have been given access to to the US from the Congo. All of us blessed to have walked the Camino & are very wealthy indeed. Sometimes we are simply blind to the luck we have been born into. After meeting them I felt as though in many ways we are all tourists as we have choices.

 

[Anemone del Camino]

Can you show me where the Church asks me to schlep my backpack?
I wasn't aware it was a requirement.

Tell you what... you carry your pack and I'll ship mine ahead.
Then we'll both be happy[/QUOTE

Here ot goes again, posted for the second time in this thread. From tne Pilgrims' Office website:

"The appearance of motor vehicles and, in this century, the popularisation of tourism, represented somewhat of a crisis for pilgrimage: it was feared that the effort and sacrifice in the expiation of sins embraced in the pilgrimage on foot would be exchanged by a pleasant and enjoyable activity for the holidays. The Chapter of the Metropolitan Church of Santiago continued to issue the certificate and in modern times the award of the “Compostela” is limited to those who come to the tomb of the Apostle for religious and/or spiritual reasons, and following the routes of the Way of St. James on foot, by bicycle or on horseback. They are required to have travelled at least the last 100 kilometres on foot or horseback or the last 200 by bicycle, which is demonstrated by the “Credencial del Peregrino” duly stamped along the route travelled. Therefore other forms of travel to access the Compostela are excluded, except in the case of the disabled."

So while it does not addess the backpacks, I assume that when this was written noone had thought about the backpack industry, it does say the Church did not want the Camino to be a pleasant vaccation time, hence why it put into place minimum effort required to earn the Compostella, either by foot, bike or equine family member. Yup, effort, ie sacrifice, because it is no secret the Cathilic Church likes sacrifices.

 

[Anemone del Camino]

I met some refuges that just have been given access to to the US from the Congo. All of us blessed to have walked the Camino & are very wealthy indeed. Sometimes we are simply blind to the luck we have been born into. After meeting them I felt as though in many ways we are all tourists as we have choices.

Most definately tourists. I think that in 5 Caminos I must have met 3 people walking as pilgrims, and for the sake of conciously walking a pilgrimage.

 

[Anniesantiago]

Yes, and as it says . . .
"...in modern times the award of the “Compostela” is limited to those who come to the tomb of the Apostle for religious and/or spiritual reasons, and following the routes of the Way of St. James on foot, by bicycle or on horseback. They are required to have travelled at least the last 100 kilometres on foot or horseback or the last 200 by bicycle, which is demonstrated by the “Credencial del Peregrino” duly stamped along the route travelled. Therefore other forms of travel to access the Compostela are excluded, except in the case of the disabled."

The requirement is to have walked 100k or come on horseback or bike 200k, and have a stamped Credential.
If you are not disabled, you are not allowed to take other forms of transport THE LAST 100 KILOMETERS.
That's it.

Also, this paragraph you are quoting is talking about getting the Compostela.
Not everyone walking is doing so in order to get a Compostela,
not everyone walking is Catholic,
and not everyone considers themselves on a pilgrimage.

For some it is a pilgrimage.
For some it's a challenge on their bucket list.
For some it's just a nice trek.

 

[MTtoCamino]

Yet we still seem to share a very special bond, virtual hug

 

[Smallest_Sparrow]

I don't know...does it matter who carries a pack? what if one person's pack is expensive and light weight, does it still qualify? Is there a max amount I can spend on foot wear? Should there be a sliding scale for age? I think it is admirable, those who walk far and carry heavy packs, and those who walk less and ship them ahead. Those who make friends and sing the entire way, and those who walk silent and alone. Those in albergues and tents and hotels...really, all of us. We are all really quite remarkable. I said this today already on a VdlP thread, but I'll bore everyone here as well. IMHO, IMHO, we have excess energy to spare if we are cataloging what people do and do not carry, and should walk further or carry more (I cannot believe I am channeling my mother twice in one day). On more than one march I have carried the pack of an airman or soldier who could not continue to carry his, until we reached out pickup point. And when I became hypothermic one winter, another airman wrestled me out of my pack (at great risk to himself, from me) because he feared I would not make the last half-mile to camp (and was probably correct). I will admit, there were usually few pilgrims on my routes, but I cannot tell you if anyone used a bag service or not, or took a taxi or not, there were a lot of other things to occupy my mind. If I had known someone was using a service, I would like to think I would have offered to help carry their packs, instead, for at least one step. In the US military, we have a thing about leaving anyone behind. I think all of us on this forum would feel the same about our brother and sister pilgrims.

on that note, I've been feeling better today so will be back to work and stop annoying the &$%# out of all of you for a while.
Buen Camino

 

[MTtoCamino]

I don't know...does it matter who carries a pack? what if one person's pack is expensive and light weight, does it still qualify? Is there a max amount I can spend on foot wear? Should there be a sliding scale for age? I think it is admirable, those who walk far and carry heavy packs, and those who walk less and ship them ahead. Those who make friends and sing the entire way, and those who walk silent and alone. Those in albergues and tents and hotels...really, all of us. We are all really quite remarkable. I said this today already on a VdlP thread, but I'll bore everyone here as well. IMHO, IMHO, we have excess energy to spare if we are cataloging what people do and do not carry, and should walk further or carry more (I cannot believe I am channeling my mother twice in one day). On more than one march I have carried the pack of an airman or soldier who could not continue to carry his, until we reached out pickup point. And when I became hypothermic one winter, another airman wrestled me out of my pack (at great risk to himself, from me) because he feared I would not make the last half-mile to camp (and was probably correct). I will admit, there were usually few pilgrims on my routes, but I cannot tell you if anyone used a bag service or not, or took a taxi or not, there were a lot of other things to occupy my mind. If I had known someone was using a service, I would like to think I would have offered to help carry their packs, instead, for at least one step. In the US military, we have a thing about leaving anyone behind. I think all of us on this forum would feel the same about our brother and sister pilgrims.

on that note, I've been feeling better today so will be back to work and stop annoying the &$%# out of all of you for a while.
Buen Camino

No annoyance ..Had to clarify the like.

 

[SabsP]

Anemone,

" Last year in Cee I was overwhelmed by a foursome of South American wealthy women ( and please don't come and ask me how I knew, it' like having a radar: cuex aui s'assemble se ressemblent) discussing how little they would eat that evening in order not Gain weight..."

Quite a radar you have to detect wealthy women from less financially off people?
And I presume with your quote you mean this correctly spelt one : " Ceux qui se ressemblent s'assemblent "?

And the Catholic Church does not ask a pilgrim to suffer. He/she has to walk the last 100 k without any means of transport and has to prove this with two daily sellos if he wants to obtain the Compostela. Nada mas.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

So I've just finished my third Camino and I found the bag transporting and people with little to no packs having reserved and/or got into Albergues pretty frustrating.

That annoyed me too but then I would remind myself that religious pilgrims must be pretty annoyed with me, who was out for a long walk, taking up their space.

 

[Kanga]

I recall that even back in 2001 we all got our packs carried up from Villafranca to O Cebreiro - although that was the only leg where it was available. Since then I have been persuaded a couple of times to get my pack transported on various stages.

My conclusion? I much prefer to carry my own pack. I like the decluttering that comes with keeping my pack light, I like the sponteneity, I like having my possessions at hand, I like the body strengthening it brings, I like the feeling of competence.

I will continue to carry my own pack as long as I am physically able. After that, I will be grateful for the transport service.

Try both. See what works for you.

 

[domigee]

I much prefer to carry my own pack. I like the decluttering that comes with keeping my pack light, I like the sponteneity, I like having my possessions at hand, I like the body strengthening it brings, I like the feeling of competence.

I will continue to carry my own pack as long as I am physically able. After that, I will be grateful for the transport service.

.

Me too. As long as I am able, I will be grateful to carry my pack, for all the reasons Kanga mentioned above.

There was a time though, when I cracked a rib (or two?) and I would have given anything for a bag transport service!

We should be grateful it is available on the Camino(s).

 

[Anniesantiago]

On more than one march I have carried the pack of an airman or soldier who could not continue to carry his, until we reached out pickup point. And when I became hypothermic one winter, another airman wrestled me out of my pack (at great risk to himself, from me) because he feared I would not make the last half-mile to camp (and was probably correct). I will admit, there were usually few pilgrims on my routes, but I cannot tell you if anyone used a bag service or not, or took a taxi or not, there were a lot of other things to occupy my mind. If I had known someone was using a service, I would like to think I would have offered to help carry their packs, instead, for at least one step. In the US military, we have a thing about leaving anyone behind. I think all of us on this forum would feel the same about our brother and sister pilgrims.

This reminded me of the time we came across a Portuguese woman and her husband attempting to get down the steep mounts into Roncesvalles. She was crying and really having a hard time walking. They were probably in their 60's and their packs were way overweight. Joe, who was lugging his own pack, took her pack from her and put it on his front and carried BOTH packs into Roncesvalles. I gave her my pacer poles and walked slowly behind her. (I was carrying my pack that section too) and it had rained and was slick as snot but I was younger then and had only walked from Orisson.

The FIRST time I walked, I had a too-heavy pack and as many new pilgrims do, had cancelled my Orissob reservations and walked the entire stage from SJPP on the advice of the Hospitalero. As I struggled with each painful step, cursing the man, a bus load of busigrinos got off at the top of the hill and were running down into Roncesvalles, pack free, and I cursed them too! How I hated them! WTF! Where was their pack!? How dare they laugh and frolic when I was in such pain! Then one who passed me saw my tears and stopped. She asked if I was going to be ok and she gave me chocolate. I was ashamed of myself for my hate.

One pilgrim helping another.

I still didn't realize it was ok to have your pack shipped ahead and had several judgmental moments when I would see people with day packs.
But over the years my indignation was replaced by grateful feelings for the transport folks. Many people would not be physically able to make the walk caring a pack. They do a great service.

When I walk now, I'm not on pilgrimage for myself. I'm playing mother hen to 8 new pilgrims, most in their 50's to 70's, and about half with medical issues making transport a requirement. It is their dream to walk the Camino and bag transport makes possible this dream.

And don't believe you can tell by looking if someone is disabled. My own disability is an invisible one.

Nor can you tell if someone is rich or poor. I come from a farming community and learned early in my working career that some of the dirtiest overalled people with the most mud and cow crap up their legs have the most money.

Like Sparrow says, it takes a lot of energy to judge others. But we all do it. I catch myself all the time. My pet peeves are ugly Americans and bicigrinos on the trail. And people wearing perfume. And ...

 

[Anniesantiago]

Sorry about typos. Typing on my iPad.

 

[Fletchonides]

I and my wife have got our bags transported for all except one stage, and have mostly booked ahead.
Part of that decision is that we are not fit enough or young enough to walk the distances with our packs.
We have nothing but admiration for people who are able to carry their packs, and who are walking the whole Camino.
This year two of our Camino friends were a mother and daughter from Canada, and one day the daughters back gave out and she was unable to continue. My wife offered to carry her pack to the next place there was a bus, as we had one day pack between us. Turns out her pack was lighter than our day pack! She ended up carrying the pack the rest of the day, and our friend made it to Belorado. It was a turning point for Camino friends becoming Camino family.

The OP irritated me when I read it; its obviously been building up as he walked and he can finally offload it here. I'm not sure he wants a discussion, but just to get it off his chest. He has pointed the finger at people who reserve and have their bags transported (ie. me) as somehow depriving him of a bed, but without knowing more about how he is walking that is unverifiable. He may be starting late and walking long distances and arriving late. The primary reason I book in advance is that I will not be a part of the bed race. If I have to get up really early, walk faster, take shorter breaks etc. all so I can get to the next place early enough (before other people do) in order to get a bed, then that changes the nature of the Camino so much that I would not want to do it.

 

[Pville]

I understand the frustration of the OP (who may by now be all over it). So many good suggestions on how to deal with or avoid this aggravation (and of course venting helps); the one I didn't see: book ahead yourself. The same places they reserved you can reserve. http://Gronze.com, http://caminodesantiago.consumer.es/, booking.com, etc....

Thank you for the reference to Gronze. I did not find an 'English' button on the site, but think I can make my way through a reservation!

 

[Smallest_Sparrow]

Thank you for the reference to Gronze. I did not find an 'English' button on the site, but think I can make my way through a reservation!

you are quite welcome!
btw, pasting a URL into google translate will translate the entire page.
also, some of the albergues and hotels have a booking button (that's new since I used it) but if you look, even some that don't have the button will take reservations, you just need to call or email them directly.
Buen Camino (and happy bed hunting)

 

[Thornley]

Thank you for the reference to Gronze. I did not find an 'English' button on the site, but think I can make my way through a reservation!

Gronze is great Pville but you will do yourself a very big favour when in STJPdP if you buy Miam Miam Do Do.
How many chambers , total beds , 2-4-6 per room etc etc etc. and somewhere you will see the word Piscine , stay there mate and have a swim.

From my limited experience on the France's in Sept, it seems that a pilgrim has 2 choices: either finish walking by 2 or 2.30 at the latest, or book ahead.
If you finish walking by very early afternoon , you will wonder what all the fuss is about as you will very seldom not get a bed. Walk until say 5, and the problems arise.
Moral, if you are a slow and steady walker or a late riser, plan ahead.

Book ahead , stop by 1pm , shower , find the best restaurant in the village away from the crowds and enjoy the main meal of the day.
If you are not in an albergue you can enjoy the village life after 10pm when all are sleeping.

 

[Viclou]

So I've just finished my third Camino and I found the bag transporting and people with little to no packs having reserved and/or got into Albergues pretty frustrating. Don't get me wrong, if people are injured that's fine but when I see the regular Jacotrans van flying by every day rammed with packs, it annoys me when way more people then not are physically capable to carry it.

My problem is the fact I got turned away from numerous places only to see people which were sitting around in their make up and fresh clothing from their wheelie bags that are transported along every stage while me with pack having to walk on to the next village sometimes.

Maybe I'm a bit angry but I think anyone who bag drops (minus injury) so be told to wait till 6pm to reserve a bed.

I'm not even going to go into the AC buses of pilgrims post Sarria that dominate the Albergues (reserved) and their tour guides book out all the tables to sit at in some bars for food so yet having to go to next bar/village for food.

I suppose I am annoyed but in the five years since my last Camino, this has turned into a commercialised joke of a walk.

 

[Thornley]

The bags/packs sent ahead thing is not that big of a deal, and really nothing wrong with doing that. Now I do admit, it's kinda annoying to have tourist style pilgrims who aren't even really walking the Camino take up bed spaces as they unload from cars, vans and buses, but overall one is still able to hold on to a really cool Camino experience.
Now the circus acts (yes, literally circus acts) in the plaza and around the cathedral in SDC, that really disgusted me. But that's another story...

Mark could not believe you posted the above.
Here is " But thats another story"
I was just reading this mornings paper in sunny Melbourne [ quiet Kanga] and cop the following;

***" You may wish to share emotions with other pilgrims as they approach the St James Cathedral in the old centre of town"

This was written in Utracks brochure for a 15 day Food Lovers Spanish Camino costing you today only $6200 A, $4800US or 4300 euro.
A total of 43 hours walking the 140km commencing their walk in Uterga -----8km to Puerta La Reina and closing from Monte de Gozo --5km.

See you in Le Puy
Keep well,
D

 

[Pville]

Bronze is great Pville but you will do yourself a very big favour when in STJPdP if you buy Miam Miam Do Do.
How many chambers , total beds , 2-4-6 per room etc etc etc. and somewhere you will see the word Piscine , stay there mate and have a swim.

@Thornley - thank you! I shall do. Funny, I saw the acronym 'MMDD' in an earlier post today, and you've deciphered it for me. Perfecto!

 

[grayland]

The translation into English is "Yum Yum Night Night"
French baby talk.
The guide basically shows places to eat and sleep.

 

[clearskiescamino]

Why not stay in Municipals / Xuntas where this whole issue wouldn't matter?

 

[Emily Scott]

What I have loved about my Camino experience is the lack of judgement, the desires among many to be helpful, empathetic, and friendly. This forum seems to unleash the negativity that is seldom found along the route.

So I've just finished my third Camino and I found the bag transporting and people with little to no packs having reserved and/or got into Albergues pretty frustrating. Don't get me wrong, if people are injured that's fine but when I see the regular Jacotrans van flying by every day rammed with packs, it annoys me when way more people then not are physically capable to carry it.

My problem is the fact I got turned away from numerous places only to see people which were sitting around in their make up and fresh clothing from their wheelie bags that are transported along every stage while me with pack having to walk on to the next village sometimes.

Maybe I'm a bit angry but I think anyone who bag drops (minus injury) so be told to wait till 6pm to reserve a bed.

I'm not even going to go into the AC buses of pilgrims post Sarria that dominate the Albergues (reserved) and their tour guides book out all the tables to sit at in some bars for food so yet having to go to next bar/village for food.

I suppose I am annoyed but in the five years since my last Camino, this has turned into a commercialised joke of a walk.

 

[MTtoCamino]

Why not stay in Municipals / Xuntas where this whole issue wouldn't matter?

$$

 

[Smallest_Sparrow]

I think clearskies is saying anyone who wants an albergue where people can't reserve ahead can use the municipals. I think what many said is those who don't want to bed-race can always book private. I suspect what MTtoCamino is saying is private albergues are more expensive..but in my limited experience they were not, or only slightly more.

 

[Tincatinker]

What I have loved about my Camino experience is the lack of judgement, the desires among many to be helpful, empathetic, and friendly. This forum seems to unleash the negativity that is seldom found along the route.

Emily, that is because, in part at least, posters to the forum have walked many times or never and at the time they are posting are not walking. The Camino in memory or anticipation is not the actual camino that any of us ever walk.

I read, nearly, every post and do not feel an aura of negativity around the generality of posts. There is triumph and despair, both the human lot: and anger sometimes and hope, that most desperate of human emotions. But if you watch this forum closely as I do you will see much positivity -"Should I walk the Camino?". "Yes." "Can I walk the Camino?". "Yes." "Will I be welcome on the Camino?" "Yes." "Can I unicycle the Camino in a Tutu?" "Yes: if you must."

"helpful, empathetic, and friendly" - sounds about right.

Enjoy your camino!

 

[C clearly]

This forum seems to unleash the negativity that is seldom found along the route.

If this forum is a hotbed of unleashed negativity, compared to other forums on other topics, I would be astounded! It does unleash a lot of talk about all aspects of the Camino experience, which includes good and bad, and many variations in between. On the Camino people talk about beds, equipment, aches and pains. Here we talk about beds, equipment, aches and pains, too. On the Camino people talk about joys and sadness, just as we do here.

It is true that the internet has limitations compared to face-to-face communications. We tend to moderate some things in person (less likely to tell strangers our frank opinion of them). Also, on the forum, we can re-read things over and over, sometimes attaching meanings that were not intended, or that should be glossed over and forgotten because it was just a spontaneous and careless statement. But that is a fact of internet communication that we need to recognize and deal with. The moderators do a very good job helping us!

Another thing... some people view disagreement as disrespectful. We do have disagreement, but it is usually fairly respectful. When it isn't..., well, must be a normal human behind it.

 

[clearskiescamino]

$$

Aha..

 

[Smallest_Sparrow]

I read Emily Scott's comments as meaning the OP...but I could be wrong. If she meant the OP seemed out of step, I think it is so because it's venting, and I bet the next day the OP was one of those kind, helpful pilgrims Emily knows...or she means us. I'm pretty awful all the time.

I give the OP a pass...most of us (me leading the pack) have had those moments when the day's events bring out words we later wish to pull back. I hope my first post showed that...we all get one or two moments to vent. I've used a few extra...sorry C clearly and Tia Valeria, you don't get any as I've used yours My later comments re: pack service was not directed at any way to the OP (who by now has probably forgotten all about it), but later comments that implied carrying a pack was a requirement for pilgrim status.

 

[SYates]

..."Can I unicycle the Camino in a Tutu?" "Yes: if you must."
...

You owe me a whole bottle of brain bleach @Tincatinker BC SY

 

[domigee]

It is true that the internet has limitations compared to face-to-face communications. We tend to moderate some things in person (less likely to tell strangers our frank opinion of them). Also, on the forum, we can re-read things over and over, sometimes attaching meanings that were not intended, or that should be glossed over and forgotten because it was just a spontaneous and careless statement.

So true ! I know that sometimes my posts have been misunderstood and there was little I could do about it. Like ' stop digging? '
T'would never happen in real life as I gesticulate a lot well I'm French
But it does help when there is no common language

 

[C clearly]

sometimes my posts have been misunderstood and there was little I could do about it. Like ' stop digging? '

That's true in real life, too. I used to fume after a "discussion" with my husband, and wish I had a tape recording of the conversation to prove how illogical and wrong he was. Now, many years later, I have come to realize how awful and pointless it would be to review those conversations!

 

[Smallest_Sparrow]

"Can I unicycle the Camino in a Tutu?" "Yes: if you must."

sadly not in my T-shirt shop, as it is already for sale at shopzeus.co.uk

coming soon "TEAM FRANCES", "TEAM PRIMITIVO", and No Julius16...

 

[Tincatinker]

There goes my pension....

 

[Kathryn Albright]

I get what you mean... felt the same way too this year (Camino Frances July/August 2016). It feels a bit like culture shock after Sarria. It was not peaceful and I felt very lost in the crowd. I think that it does make you appreciate your own experience a bit more though and how different it is to every other pilgrim's experience. I carried my pack... so did my husband. We also pushed a stroller and our 5 year old son. When we started seeing light packs or no packs and makeup clad pilgrims near the end it made us realize (after the initial flush of anger and then laughter) that we liked carrying our packs ourselves because it was a constant reminder about how little you really need in life. Maybe other people don't see it that way, or feel like they need that lesson. Others simply have limited physical capabilities and need to send them ahead. It's ok! Play the same game and book ahead your accommodation for the last few days because it will allow you to let go of the animosity towards those pilgrims. It helped us!

 

[jefferyonthecamino]

So I've just finished my third Camino and I found the bag transporting and people with little to no packs having reserved and/or got into Albergues pretty frustrating. Don't get me wrong, if people are injured that's fine but when I see the regular Jacotrans van flying by every day rammed with packs, it annoys me when way more people then not are physically capable to carry it.

My problem is the fact I got turned away from numerous places only to see people which were sitting around in their make up and fresh clothing from their wheelie bags that are transported along every stage while me with pack having to walk on to the next village sometimes.

Maybe I'm a bit angry but I think anyone who bag drops (minus injury) so be told to wait till 6pm to reserve a bed.

I'm not even going to go into the AC buses of pilgrims post Sarria that dominate the Albergues (reserved) and their tour guides book out all the tables to sit at in some bars for food so yet having to go to next bar/village for food.

I suppose I am annoyed but in the five years since my last Camino, this has turned into a commercialised joke of a walk.

are you suggesting that the Spanish authorities regulate private businesses regarding their customers? if i ran a private albergue on the Camino, i would definitely try to prioritise my possible profit for each day (through bookings, for example).

 

[Older Guy]

I can understand the OP's frustration, but part of the Camino is learning to go with the flow. I am 67 years old. I biked the Camino (over 200 km). on the Climb up to O Cebreiro I sent my bike bags ahead rather than pushing/peddling them up hill. Does that mean that the next time (if there is one) that I do the Camino that at my Confession in Santiago I should confess to using a transport for some, but not all of the way? I don't want to make the Priest laugh. The one I confessed to seem pretty impressed that I had started in Pamplona and at my age had done such a pilgrimage at all. No Hail Mary's nor Our Fathers, just you are forgiven. Of course I didn't confess to using bike luggage transport up the big hills.

 

[SYates]

As far as I know using baggage/bike transport isn't considered a sin by the Church
Buen Camino, SY

 

[MTtoCamino]

They have bike transport as well? Wow a person could seriously walk the mountain sections, ride the flat sections, then go south or way North & start all over... The ideas SY creates

 

[SYates]

It wasn't me!!! SY

 

[Older Guy]

Sorry! I know it is not a sin. I also know if it is a choice. In my Camino this year I met and spend quite a while talking to a nice guy from Australia who got a hernia shortly after starting. He told me he regularly sent his pack ahead and sometime on the way to Leon, where we talked, that when the pain was too bad he took a taxi. I thought he should have listened to what the Camino was telling him, but he wanted to continue on with people he came to Spain with to do the Camino.

I feel that each does the Camino in their own way, based on their own needs and means. Some pilgrims are more into penitent(feeling or expressing humble or regretful pain or sorrow for sins or offenses) others are just into reaching the holly places. I think pilgrims should be respectful, grateful, and thoughtful. Other than that, let them travel as they ma

 

[Smallest_Sparrow]

They have bike transport as well?

only for bikes with bells that show signs of use

 

[MTtoCamino]

Thanks Smallest Sparrow my 80 Schwinn comfort bike would be perfec!

 

[Thornley]

Sorry! I know it is not a sin. I also know if it is a choice. In my Camino this year I met and spend quite a while talking to a nice guy from Australia who got a hernia shortly after starting. He told me he regularly sent his pack ahead and sometime on the way to Leon, where we talked, that when the pain was too bad he took a taxi. I thought he should have listened to what the Camino was telling him, but he wanted to continue on with people he came to Spain with to do the Camino.

I feel that each does the Camino in their own way, based on their own needs and means. Some pilgrims are more into penitent(feeling or expressing humble or regretful pain or sorrow for sins or offenses) others are just into reaching the holly places. I think pilgrims should be respectful, grateful, and thoughtful. Other than that, let them travel as they ma

Definitely an Australian from Irish stock
And also a warning Older Guy about the dangers of hurrying the first 4 days , it stops many.

 

[ranthr]

I have just finished a short touristcamino from Logroño to Leon. After reading this thread earlier, I was triggered to try out paqmochila con correos and send a small bag with correos from place to place to see how it worked out. Never tried luggagetransport before,but now myhurtbyskiinglastwinterarm told me it could be nice with a lighter backpack.
Since I started in Logroño I thought I could make my "deal" with correos there. Started at the nearest postoffice, they did not have clue about what I was talking about. They sendt me to the correos in the old town, who did not know so much either, but at last they found a person who could help me with an envelope where I could put my receit of having paid for my 14 days. Next I had to call Santiago to tell where my mochila was to be picked up and at last I could send a list of all my stayings.
I was not too optimistic, but it was quite OK. My bag was picked up early in the morning, often before I left and it was waiting for me when I arrived every day. So good work correos!
Either the luggagetransporter nor the hostels is responsible for your belongings, you just put your luggage there and most places anybody could pick it up and leave but nobody did!!!
So now I have tried it, and I did not steal any bed from anybody in albergues. But I was surprised to hear from people I met that they sendt their luggage to municipal albergues as well, that was not a problem.

 

[Thornley]

I have just finished a short touristcamino from Logroño to Leon. After reading this thread earlier, I was triggered to try out paqmochila con correos and send a small bag with correos from place to place to see how it worked out. Never tried luggagetransport before,but now myhurtbyskiinglastwinterarm told me it could be nice with a lighter backpack.
Since I started in Logroño I thought I could make my "deal" with correos there. Started at the nearest postoffice, they did not have clue about what I was talking about. They sendt me to the correos in the old town, who did not know so much either, but at last they found a person who could help me with an envelope where I could put my receit of having paid for my 14 days. Next I had to call Santiago to tell where my mochila was to be picked up and at last I could send a list of all my stayings.
I was not too optimistic, but it was quite OK. My bag was picked up early in the morning, often before I left and it was waiting for me when I arrived every day. So good work correos!
Either the luggagetransporter nor the hostels is responsible for your belongings, you just put your luggage there and most places anybody could pick it up and leave but nobody did!!!
So now I have tried it, and I did not steal any bed from anybody in albergues. But I was surprised to hear from people I met that they sendt their luggage to municipal albergues as well, that was not a problem.

Been going on for years Ranter .
Well done and with this mode you can now increase the distances and sometimes get it dropped at a beautiful pension.