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Camino home to home 2018-2019

JabbaPapa

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#1
Well, the Camino project that I described in this post : https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/my-full-camino-2019.58161/ is now officially on !!

Out of the blue, I have a huge 9-10 month window of opportunity that has opened up for me, just this Friday. And my legs are getting stronger almost daily.

The Camino is calling, and the time of it is upon me again ... :cool:

The route I'm following will be Chemin Provençal from home to Arles ; a bit along the Arles Way probably to Revel ; then down through Foix to Andorra ; then down the Camí d'Andorra through Urgell to Lleida ; up the Camí Catalán to a bit further than Zaragoza ; then a bit of the Camino Castellano-Aragonès 'til I finally leave it behind and head to Valladolid and beyond along the Duero river valley ; then down Via de la Plata a revès through Salamanca then via whichever variant to wherever turns out best, maybe via Cáceres, and then West to Fátima ; Camiño Portugues to Compostela ; Camino Francès to SJPP ; Voie du Piémont through Lourdes, maybe back to Foix ; then up back through Revel, Arles, to home again on the Arles Way and the Provençal.

Phew !!

The heart of my Camino, as likely will be the case in any Camino that I will ever walk, will be the Francès.

I'm thinking it might take me maybe seven months ? Possibly six, which would be good.

My most likely starting date will be in the beginning of December of 2018, to be back home by July, but hopefully June, or even May of 2019.

Much to organise and suddenly !! Though my basic kit is done, and has been for years ... Some necessaries I will be able to get along the Way too, so that's a good.

The biggies are passport, "new" second-hand phone, new pair of hiking gloves (I'll need them LOL). My godfather is helping me with the size 14 army boots. I bought a good military sleeping bag a couple of years ago, and a new inflatable mattress at about the same time. Backpack's solid. Rest is just cheap easily found ordinary clothes plus my big black Pilgrim Cape (which I'll need LOL).

Thinking I'll need about eight credenciales for this one, and anyway if that's an underestimate, I'll be able to replenish at Lourdes on the Way back. I'll stick them together, as usual, into a giant-sized version.

It'll be really very hard, I'll be dealing with the cold, and the boredom, and the solitude, and a thousand other things beside -- I'll curse it and decide never again !! as we always do ...

But then, all these years after, here we are.
 
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Way to go, @JabbaPapa . I do hope you blog or post. That is the kind of journey I most love to follow. Wishing you all the best!
 

JabbaPapa

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It's still looming very large, despite this sudden shift from the scale of dream, then vague project, now material planning.

I need to follow a carnivore diet, and I've been wondering how to manage that once I begin to be far away from my magical Portuguese butcher shop, which will be on the morning of Day One ...

Might be in el cheapo sausages that I'll find the solution ; my diet might suddenly become very chorizo and cheese-like once I'm out beyond my front door ...

Meanwhile, I'll have to start getting into a bit more of a routine of several walks a week -- I'm walking faster than I have been anyway since 2014, possibly even starting to approach, maybe even exceed the pace that I had when I started on that 2014 ?

I anyway also need to work to extend my max daily walking distance, still too low.

Though I'm still quite unsure of my carrying capacity stamina-wise (and speed-wise), here and now at least

It's a Winter Camino anyway, and apart from the quick local crossings of the Alps which even on the extremely rare occasions of snow here involve centimetres not metres, that'll be four serious winter crossings of mountain ranges ; Pyrenees twice.

In a dream Camino I'd have a pair of Altai skis for those purposes ... :p

heh -- onward and forward
 

JabbaPapa

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#8
It's still quite possible that I might need to delay my departure to January -- but we'll see.

Good news is that the religious book that I plan to organise this Camino around, having arrived in the Post, turns out to be smaller and lighter than I feared
 
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JabbaPapa

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#9
I am more and more likely to delay this to the beginning of January.

I'll be getting in touch with the Santiago Pilgrims Office at Lourdes this coming week for the eight Credenciales I'll need to start with (they close for Winter after October) ... a good enough number to start with, because even should I end up needing a couple more at the end, I should just be able to pick those up when I arrive there, if needed for the final 1000 K to home.

I'm still amazed at how better my walking has become since starting this carnivore diet !!

I'm walking faster and easier than I was at the start of my 2014 which was when I consigned my knee braces to the collection of "useless stuff I should have left at home" in my backpack, very few stages after my day of prayers at Lourdes ... :cool:

Before the diet, I thought I'd need 8-9 months -- now, I'm thinking I can manage it within six. I've not really lost much weight, yet, from abandoning cereals and veg (though strangely, barley beers seem not to have any negative effects against the diet, which is most strange) -- but I have lost flab and gained muscle, and regained stamina and strength.

NOT to recommend the carnivore diet to anyone else o_O

(I've actually been wanting to follow it for about ten years or so, but it is only very recently that it has become affordable on a daily basis -- but I realise there's a certain fashion for it that has arisen in the past 6 months or so, and it's not something that should be followed just for fashion "reasons" ; except as a limited duration pure elimination diet that can do no harm for those having some weight-loss and/or detoxification/convalescence purposes and needs) --- it would seem that only a minority of people would need to to follow the diet for basic health reasons, though it seems quite clearly that I'm in this minority group.

Rule of thumb -- if you do not suffer from uncontrollable weight gains and/or autoimmune diseases, or if your routine hiking regimen etc is enough to keep you fit with what you're eating now, then it's probably not the diet plan for you.

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whooops, off-topic I suppose, but hey ; MY Camino, MY Way !! :p
 

JabbaPapa

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#12
It simply is not possible that I'll be starting this in either December, or in 2018.

It'll be in the beginning of January.

And this is still a very daunting prospect, but OTOH I'm walking faster and more comfortably (if also more shortly) than at the start of my 2014 from Lourdes -- but the more important difference is that, same as before my 1994 & 2005, I trust the project in the same way.

Especially, this will be THE most solitary Camino that I have ever, nor will ever be likely, to do.

That is its most unappealing aspect.

In a way, it's hard for me emotionally to even contemplate the possibility that any others might be found to accompany me on this path for even a short section of it. Especially in that season !!
 

hecate105

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#13
I am more and more likely to delay this to the beginning of January.

I'll be getting in touch with the Santiago Pilgrims Office at Lourdes this coming week for the eight Credenciales I'll need to start with (they close for Winter after October) ... a good enough number to start with, because even should I end up needing a couple more at the end, I should just be able to pick those up when I arrive there, if needed for the final 1000 K to home.

I'm still amazed at how better my walking has become since starting this carnivore diet !!

I'm walking faster and easier than I was at the start of my 2014 which was when I consigned my knee braces to the collection of "useless stuff I should have left at home" in my backpack, very few stages after my day of prayers at Lourdes ... :cool:

Before the diet, I thought I'd need 8-9 months -- now, I'm thinking I can manage it within six. I've not really lost much weight, yet, from abandoning cereals and veg (though strangely, barley beers seem not to have any negative effects against the diet, which is most strange) -- but I have lost flab and gained muscle, and regained stamina and strength.

NOT to recommend the carnivore diet to anyone else o_O

(I've actually been wanting to follow it for about ten years or so, but it is only very recently that it has become affordable on a daily basis -- but I realise there's a certain fashion for it that has arisen in the past 6 months or so, and it's not something that should be followed just for fashion "reasons" ; except as a limited duration pure elimination diet that can do no harm for those having some weight-loss and/or detoxification/convalescence purposes and needs) --- it would seem that only a minority of people would need to to follow the diet for basic health reasons, though it seems quite clearly that I'm in this minority group.

Rule of thumb -- if you do not suffer from uncontrollable weight gains and/or autoimmune diseases, or if your routine hiking regimen etc is enough to keep you fit with what you're eating now, then it's probably not the diet plan for you.

--

whooops, off-topic I suppose, but hey ; MY Camino, MY Way !! :p
You seem to be following a really low carb diet.... which is what i have done since being diagnosed as type2 diabetic - that was a shock - it was even more of a shock giving up bread, beer and chips... but it WORKS!!! in 3 and a half months I lost 2 stone and i am no longer diabetic!!! But I will continue to follow the diet about 80% - just toast on sunday with my boiled egg and an occasional gin or vino tinto....!
If you can't find enough/good meat how about carrying nuts... or nut butter...?
I never thought my idea of heaven would be hazelnut butter on an apple slice or in a bowl of natural yoghurt - but there we go...
Another thing would be to have some jerky or similar in your backpack. You've got a long, long walk ahead - you need snacks!!!! and in Spain - the roasted fava beans...yum
Have an amazing adventure -
I will be doing the opposite - cycling in the backlands of Thailand/Cambodia/Laos, in humid heat beating off mosquitos.... But back on Camino next summer......yay!
 

JabbaPapa

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#14
Nuts are bad on this diet -- and beans in general (major exceptions being the cocoa and coffee ones) are ghastly for it.

Strangely, low alcohol traditional European barley beer seems to be mostly neutral (within limits), and whilst I'm discovering that some small amount of some veg seems to be necessary each week (fruit, I've already worked out, needs to be eaten sparsely, and most preferably fresh and in season), it's proving to be a lengthy process of trial and error which ones yes, and which no.

Wheat absolutely not, beetroot artichoke ditto, greens pfah !! -- cereals basically and all veg oil except olive (and I believe avocado) bad too -- OTOH the odd few potatoes, some tomato (though it's theoretically off-limits), avocado I strongly suspect (though I've yet to properly test that one) are OK, and raw spinach might be a weird outlier due to its massive minerals & nutrients content.

Really though, I am mostly just eating meat and fat.

It's not really a low-carb diet as such, it's more of an extreme elimination one that just resembles some versions of one.

Jerky is a very American thing -- here, we eat sausages. And cheese.
I'm actually liable to fill up my pack with chorizos, good ratio of meat to fat in those ... :p

Good to hear the diet is helping with the diabetes, my brother has been dealing with his through regular fasting.
 

caminka

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this sounds like a fantastic camino, @JabbaPapa, just something I would like to do some day. (will join my ever lenghthening list of caminos.)
hope you start in january and bypass all the heavy snowfalls.

why didn't you make your own big long customised credencial?
 

caminka

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#17
I like the small cream-coloured French one, but I stick them all together into a single mega-credencial.
it does look lovely (lots of text, though). the stick-together version must look very impressive when you bring it out and open it up and it doesn't fit onto a single table, no? ;)
 

Davey Boyd

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#19
This sounds so wonderful!

Just something I have noticed to share. For three years I walked 5-6 months non stop and noticed this.
Week 1-2 I hurt, am very sore and tired. Week 2 just about getting my camino legs.
Week 5-6 Just about feeling fit and healthy. Spend most of my time pondering and thinking instead of worrying. My weight stabilizes, I stop shedding kilo's.
Two months - Seem to reach peak fitness, terrain/weather no longer an issue. (At least not worried about it).
Three months onwards - What I call Zen. The Zen of walking. In the zone. In the moment. It is during this stage I learn the most. Walking is like breathing. It feels odd NOT wearing my 16 kilo's strapped to my body!

Then your boots fall apart, clothes rot, equipment fails. Don't forget to include this in your plans and budget!

Buen Camino! And please keep us informed!
Davey
 

JabbaPapa

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Davey, thanks for the insights.

On my last 1200 K one in 2014, the "I hurt, am very sore and tired" stage that you refer to lasted probably 3-4 weeks rather than 1-2. But yes, I did find that when I was getting towards week 6 or so, I was beginning to feel healthier and fitter -- sadly, that Camino didn't last much longer beyond that point, so I never really hit that "zone" that you talk about.

Conversely, I did the one from Paris in 1994 ultra fast, but hey I was 25 years younger (!!) and really, I had the Camino legs pretty much on day 1. Hit the "zone" after the 3rd week.

Boots should be solid, but clothes will rot and will need replacing, yeah I know.
 

JabbaPapa

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I've found an app for Windows that has basically all of the trail routes that I'll need along the way, and small enough detail that I'll be able to find my way off-trail.

It seems that I will reach the Portugues at Minde, about 13K south of Fatima.

This app will be very helpful !! :cool:
 
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JabbaPapa

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Well, my godfather made a bit of a mix-up, as he is wont to in these sorts of matters (though to be at least 50% fair my habitual ambiguity in speech probably contributed too o_O ) , so that for the time being I have only one of the 8 credenciales that I'll need, and the other 7 will be in my letter box later this week, looks like ---

BUT : I have a Credencial !!! :cool:

Ultreia e sus eia, my friends, getting my hands on my credencial is always my point of no return between the sedentary life and the pilgrim one ... it's starting.

It's the Paris Association model, and it's been updated from the material perspective since the last time I had some (only needed 6 that time LOL) in 2005.

The design has changed, so that instead of the reproduction of an ancient wood engraved print of a pilgrim in beautiful red ink (an ink that is still used BTW for the text elements of the credencial), there is an image of the physical tomb of the Apostle.

The text on page 2 describing what a credencial is, in French and Spanish, is unchanged, but it now includes the logos of the Santiago Cathedral and the Compostela Pilgrims Office, clearly as a certification that this model of credencial is one of the officially approved ones.

The rather indifferent content of the back page, finally, has been replaced with a prayer cited by Aimery Picaud in his seminal Codex Calixtinus ("Ad honorem"), given in both the Latin original and in French translation ; I am in love with Latin, so from my POV this is a massive improvement.

Otherwise, the credencial is substantially the same -- blank on both sides, for maximum sello space, and without the printed grid pattern of the French model that members in here will be most familiar with, as that's the one provided at SJPP.

This model is smaller in size than that one.

Finally, the Parisian Association has changed paper stock, from the original strong cream-coloured paper to this new lighter colour -- but the paper quality is significantly improved, and at first glance it seems both more resistant to rain and as having a clearly better inking surface for better quality imprinting of sellos.

Despite all of these changes though, for the better (although I'll miss my friendly neighbourhood woodcut red ink pilgrim friend), fundamentally it's still the same credencial as it's always been, since I think the 1990s.

Still (IMO) the best official credencial I've ever seen, though the old Spanish one and the French one most people get at SJPP are quite excellent as well ... :cool:
 

JabbaPapa

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#23
I now have my full credencial.

Completely glued together, it's over 3 metres long -- should probably measure it LOL

yep, 3m40 -- 11' 2"" :p

Fairly imperfectly glued together as usual, but it's the real deal.

It's still pretty crazy that this mad project is actually happening for real ...
 

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