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Camino Snobs

2020 Camino Guides
Camino(s) past & future
2002, Toulouse/Aragon 2005, Cami S Jaume/Aragon 2007/9, Mont Saint Michel/Norte/Vadiniense 2011, Norte/Primitivo 2013, Norte/Primitivo 2014. Norte 2015, Cami S Jaume/Castellano-Aragonese 2016
It isn't necessary (or necessarily true) to speak for your compatriots at all! :)
So true, but I was avoiding speaking for all pilgrims. I happily comment on my compatriots as they are fearless but courteous in commenting back.
 

cecelia

several caminos- '03-'13
I'm not a Camino Snob. I'm so much better... (God, I thank Thee that I am not as other men are... Lk 18:11).

What I am is a Camino Bore. Friends and relatives head for the hills whenever I say "You know, on my last trip to Spain...."
And that is why we form camino groups when we get home. We tell ourselves we want to help others who are interested in the camino. And we do - but also - we really want to be able to talk about the camino to others who are interested and will listen. Ha ha
 

Duane

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
2019 Camino Frances
I had to co-found a chapter of American Pilgrims on the Camino in order to have a fresh group of people tell my Camino stories to. 😊
And that is why we form camino groups when we get home. We tell ourselves we want to help others who are interested in the camino. And we do - but also - we really want to be able to talk about the camino to others who are interested and will listen. Ha ha
So true.The Camino is one of those instances where: " You had to be there". Many on this forum have admitted to being a "Camino Bore". I'm guilty!
 

longwayhome

Member
Camino(s) past & future
SJpdP to Santiago ( Sept-Oct 2018)
Love nothing better than lunch with a room full of camino bores in our local chapter every month! I am sure I am one too :0
 

OnHellas

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances Sept/Oct 2017
Portuguese April 2018 (From Porto)
I became a ‘Camino Snob’. The last few days of my Camino Frances back in 2017 I was tired and wanted to go home. I was walking not for religious reasons but for a new personal challange that happened to fall around a difficult period in my life and therefore became much more than just trying to walk 800km.

But back to snobbery. Over the last three days of my walk the paths were crowded, there were fresh looking clothes, dustless footwear and crisp backpacks. People wandering along taking everything in.....getting in my way!!! I just wanted to get to Santiago so I could stop and go home and all those drop in pilgrims were getting in my way. I even heard one North American voice comment “what’s his hurry?”

And there you have it. My Camino experience was one of the best things that I have done in my life, so far. The places, the people, the food. The hills and mountains and the Mesata. The long empty lone kilometres and the crowds that brought out the snobbery in me at the time I felt I’d earned.

I’m sure that most of those that ‘got in my way’ had an equally great time however far they walked, however many days they walked for.....and they won’t have remembered me....no harm done I reckon.
 

David Tallan

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances (1989 and 2016), Portugues - from Porto (2018)
The Camino Snobbery I most remember wasn't so much on the Camino as in Santiago itself where my son was quite indignant that more deference wasn't paid to the pilgrims who had walked to Santiago vs. those who had come by bus, train or plane. This showed up especially at the Pilgrims' Mass, where he thought that the seating should have been reserved for those who had walked.
 

Mark Lampe

HappyCaminoBuddies
Camino(s) past & future
2019,
There will always be Camino snobs, I reflect now that they are there to bring me back to reality a little and not let it bug me. I feel sorry for them that judgement is their thing and I learn to not make it my thing. We each walk our own Camino, we each run our own life. I like to think being kind and gentle is my thing but I am sure I am not always. So, in a way we need the Camino snobs, it makes it easier to self examine with these experiences. Have I been a Camino snob today?
 

Louisamb

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
(2017)
Isn't it funny that the "camino snobbery" (which I have found to be a very real things) even extends to the far corners of the earth. I have had people suddenly not interested in talking about the camino as soon as I have said that I did the last 120 kms. And that is down here in New Zealand!!!!
 

nathanael

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances, Norte, Plata,
Hi everyone,
This week I was introduced to the term "Camino Snob" by a friend's colleague who has done the Camino three times. He warned me about people who may judge someone because they are not doing the whole 800km of the Camino Frances or who might be sending their bags ahead or who might take a few days along the route to rest a while and stay in a hotel etc etc. I was very surprised and a little perturbed when he mentioned this to me. Does such a thing exist?
well, I guess I am guilty of taking days rest and at times get a private room, who cares it's my Camino and love it.
 

RegRegular

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
2018 I hope.
This point of view annoys me to no end as a Canadian who has walked the Camino; or parts thereof, on five occasions, wearing a kilt. I even had a women advise me that I had better move along before her husband arrived as they had "heard" of me and as I had no right to the kilt, he was threatening to "rip it off me".

I spoke to both of them and advised that I had traced my family, from parents, back to 16th century Scotland. My question as to what was the statute of limitations on being proud of ones heritage, seemed to stump them.

As a country of immigrants, we see a variety of "national dress" at various festivals throughout the year. Yes my country's original inhabitants have traditional dress. However, their pre-colonial attire would make for an uncomfortable walk I suspect. 😉
Also I think many areas of Europe have worn a version of the kilt. It has come to be a Scottish symbol now, but more because that is where it most recently became a “thing”. I believe that unbifurcated garments have been around since time immemorial.
i am à Canadian who really wants to walk the Camino kilted. Grandmother of Scottish decent—should someone ask—but I find the kilt a really practical piece of clothing: warm when weather is cold, and cool when weather is warm. Any advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated. (Cameron Hunting Weathered, 16oz...haha)
Reg
 

NYSE

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances & Camino Finisterre/Muxia April 2019
There are so many people walking nowadays that I'm sure you will find EVERYTHING on the caminos. Including snobs - I have myself encountered a man who thought I couldn't be a real pilgrim since I didn't wear heavy boots.

Live and let live, say I.
I have to admit I felt a bit snobbish after walking from SJPP to Santiago and beyond to Finesterre and Muxia carrying the entire time. But then I recalled reading in John Brierley's book to beware of those feelings: we are not in a position as pilgrims to judge other pilgrims. The snobbish feelings faded away - and fast!
 

Canucks

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino frances, SJPDP to Santiago (2013), Le Puy to SJPDP (2014), Porto to Santiago (2019)
Judge and be judged......a part of life.
As an admission, I found that the normal camino fatigue that set in at the end produced some internally kept thoughts towards the "Sarrians" as we walked the final 100 Kms.....700km in and feeling tired, dirty and wanting to see SdeC. As I passed them first thing in the morning with my normal pack, they were doing pre walk calisthenics in their bright white socks and new athletic gear, before donning their tiny packs I........secretly wished I was them.
I, and my walking compatriots, would caress our feet lovingly, knowing by this time that we smelled differently and looked differently. The Sarrians were simply like we were four weeks before.
And I was judged.......we chose to stay in non-albergue accommodations. At the beginning, the Alberguians sometimes projected their superior ability to suffer.......until many of the ones we knew started thinking a day or two per week in nicer private accommodations may be worth a try.
Suffering as an Alberguian makes one no more superior than the bright white socks of a Sarrian make one inferior on the camino.

My apologies for the Star Trekkian labels of us Caminoians. 🥳 happy new year to all!
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances Roncesvalles to Sahagun Oct 2016
Sahagun to SDC April 2017 Burgos to SDC April 2018
Also I think many areas of Europe have worn a version of the kilt. It has come to be a Scottish symbol now, but more because that is where it most recently became a “thing”. I believe that unbifurcated garments have been around since time immemorial.
i am à Canadian who really wants to walk the Camino kilted. Grandmother of Scottish decent—should someone ask—but I find the kilt a really practical piece of clothing: warm when weather is cold, and cool when weather is warm. Any advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated. (Cameron Hunting Weathered, 16oz...haha)
Reg
I would most definetly go ahead with wearing a kilt on the Camino. I have a full Ancient Christy kilt of 8 yards of good Scottish wool. However I would not wear it on the Camino. The care of it as well as the weight and weather variances make it impractical I feel. I wear a hiking kilt of man made material. Google "Hiking or Sport Kilt" if interested.

The material has sewn in pleats at the rear and is held in place by two bands of velcro. Great for taking in when you lose weight and letting out after a big meal. The material is washable and dries very quickly. I have worn it hiking for years as it does away with the constriction across the thighs when hill climbing. It is exceptionally comfortable and allows me to have conversations about my cultural heritage. I also meet many people, who are interested in the kilt, that I would not likely have social interaction with otherwise. Be prepared to pose for a lot of pictures. ;)

One final word about the velcro if you need to arise and go to the bathroom during the night. The velcro bands are wide and the "ripping" sound of loosening the waist to remove the kilt has caused people to sit bolt up in bed wondering "what the...." Go for it. You'll be glad you did. Let me know if you have any further questions.
 

Stivandrer

Perambulating & Curious. Rep stravaiging offender
Camino(s) past & future
I´ve got Camino plans until 2042,
- or till I fall flat on my face, whichever comes first !!
I adhere to the meaning of the word snob, as to describe people of no rank, sine nobilitate, for instance in the case of students being enrolled at Oxford University. In lieu of title, it simply said s. nob...
Snobs are snobbing ´upwards´ to aspiring to smthng they are not.
Scholars doubt this origin, but it might make sense...

in other words, we could all be snobs until we are cured....
 
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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2009), Camino Frances (2012), Via de la Plata (2013) and Camino del Norte planned for May, 2015
What other people think is outside your control and speaks to who they are not who you are. To always question yourself is healthy - to let others control what you think of yourself is not.
I think that the saddest part of this is that the 'Camino' is not just one route, one way to get to Santiago de Compostela. I have heard the well-meaning pilgrim state that the real camino was the Camino Francés. How you walk, where you walk, is your journey. These days my walk may not take me to Santiago. Am I less on pilgrimage? I don't think so.
 

Bradypus

Moderator
Staff member
Camino(s) past & future
Too many and too often!
These days my walk may not take me to Santiago. Am I less on pilgrimage? I don't think so.
In recent years my walks have taken me to Santiago, Canterbury, Holywell, Penrhys, Nidaros, Stiklestad, Ruminghem, Reims, Rome, Koyasan and Hongu amongst many other places. And in Spain alone I have walked on multiple routes to reach Santiago. Anyone who insists on ranking those in order of spiritual significance is not worth listening to in my opinion. I believe that what defines a journey as a pilgrimage is the person's intention. You know why you are walking and why you have chosen your particular destination. Why does the approval of others matter?
 
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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2009), Camino Frances (2012), Via de la Plata (2013) and Camino del Norte planned for May, 2015
In recent years my walks have taken me to Santiago, Canterbury, Holywell, Penrhys, Nidaros, Stiklestad, Ruminghem, Reims, Rome, Koyasan and Hongu amongst many other places. And in Spain alone I have walked on multiple routes to reach Santiago. Anyone who insists on ranking those in order of spiritual significance is not worth listening to in my opinion. I believe that what defines a walk as a pilgrimage is the walker's intention. You know why you are walking and why you have chosen your particular destination. Why does the approval of others matter?
Yes...I absolutely agree. Pilgrimage is 'intent', not ability or route. It is a journey of the heart...or spirit. Destination or distance have to take a back seat as it were.
 

Bradypus

Moderator
Staff member
Camino(s) past & future
Too many and too often!
Destination or distance have to take a back seat as it were.
I agree about 50%! For me the destination is important in its own right. It gives a theme and a focus to the journey which a stroll in pleasant countryside by itself would lack. To some extent I do believe in the idea of the genius loci and the significance of relics (even if I most often doubt their authenticity :cool: ). But distance is largely irrelevant, as is the mode of travel. The 100km rule has had a very destructive effect on the understanding of pilgrimage.
 

Derrybiketours

A journey of 500 miles begins with one step!
Camino(s) past & future
SJPdeP-SANT-FIN (09/2018)
PORTO-SANT (11/2018)
Caminho Da Fe, BR (01/2019)
SJPdeP- SANT (09/2019)
is the Camino a fantasy. temporal out of context hippies and yups?
Is there something between 'being' and 'becoming' and is it 'I am'. The Camino is life and life is the Camino and you take on a different set off eyes every time you immerse yourself in the Camino fantasy however temporal and despite how many hippies and inspite of yups its all just an illusion until you reach Finisterre and ask yourself 'who is your master' 🤠
 

zenofmatthew

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
The dimensions of
length and breadth are now unplanned,
depth and time are cast.
I'm not a Camino Snob. I'm so much better than that... (God, I thank Thee that I am not as other men are... Lk 18:11).

What I am is a Camino Bore. Friends and relatives head for the hills whenever I say "You know, on my last trip to Spain...."
My wife says the same. I leave for my premier voyage in April.
 

PJThomasJP

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
(2017)
 

Rebekah Scott

Camino Busybody
Camino(s) past & future
Many, various, and continuing.
A "pilgrim" arrived at my house the other day and asked for a stamp on his credential. I said sure, brought him into the kitchen, etc., stamped his form. Then he pulled out a dozen little booklets, and asked for stamps on those, too.
I said No. One pilgrim, one credential, one stamp.
He got very angry with me. "Those are gifts! For my friends! It's a little project!" he said.
"When they come here themselves, I'll give them each a stamp," I said.
"Selfish people like you are ruining the camino," he said.
"Hit the road," I told him.
 

VNwalking

Wandering in big circles
Camino(s) past & future
Francés ('14/'15)
San Olav/CF ('16)
Baztanés/CF ('17)
Ingles ('18)
Vasco/CF/Invierno ('19)
"Selfish people like you are ruining the camino," he said.
Oh, good.
Thank you and keep it up, @Rebekah Scott! Do this enough and maybe the word will start getting out amongst the entitled class. 🙃
(Mea culpa. I guess this just proved I'm an incurable camino snob :eek: )
 
Camino(s) past & future
2002, Toulouse/Aragon 2005, Cami S Jaume/Aragon 2007/9, Mont Saint Michel/Norte/Vadiniense 2011, Norte/Primitivo 2013, Norte/Primitivo 2014. Norte 2015, Cami S Jaume/Castellano-Aragonese 2016
A "pilgrim" arrived at my house the other day and asked for a stamp on his credential. I said sure, brought him into the kitchen, etc., stamped his form. Then he pulled out a dozen little booklets, and asked for stamps on those, too.
I said No. One pilgrim, one credential, one stamp.
He got very angry with me. "Those are gifts! For my friends! It's a little project!" he said.
"When they come here themselves, I'll give them each a stamp," I said.
"Selfish people like you are ruining the camino," he said.
"Hit the road," I told him.
You can take the girl out of Pittsburgh, but you can never take Pittsburgh out of the girl.
 

The Kolbist

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
past: Frances, inland Portuguese, Fatima
future: Del Norte, coastal Porugues, Englis
Hi everyone,
This week I was introduced to the term "Camino Snob" by a friend's colleague who has done the Camino three times. He warned me about people who may judge someone because they are not doing the whole 800km of the Camino Frances or who might be sending their bags ahead or who might take a few days along the route to rest a while and stay in a hotel etc etc. I was very surprised and a little perturbed when he mentioned this to me. Does such a thing exist?
what whole 800km lol? My friend lives in Leon so I guess she only did the the Cami and no "no" because it has to be 800km? I believe it's not the distance, it's the heart and the spirit.
 
Camino(s) past & future
2002, Toulouse/Aragon 2005, Cami S Jaume/Aragon 2007/9, Mont Saint Michel/Norte/Vadiniense 2011, Norte/Primitivo 2013, Norte/Primitivo 2014. Norte 2015, Cami S Jaume/Castellano-Aragonese 2016
what whole 800km lol? My friend lives in Leon so I guess she only did the the Cami and no "no" because it has to be 800km? I believe it's not the distance, it's the heart and the spirit.
it's easy for 756km to become 800km if one is not carefully following the arrows, or if one is following a certain Andalusian pilgrim, or if the evening's tinto makes it hard to find the albergue on the first try.....
 

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