markss said:Unfortunately although there are churches in many places, most of them were closed therefore there was no Mass. There were exceptions, particularly in larger cities.
Anniesantiago said:Watching for older ladies, dressed in dresses (you won't see women wearing pants to church much in the villages), headed like a stream of salmon, all moving in the same direction is GREAT advice!
More than once, I followed them to Mass.
methodist.pilgrim.98 said:Finally, the Mass usually lasts no more than 30-35 minutes so if you are passing a church while not yet at your destination you will not be significantly held up by attending. Do not walk past as Murphy's Law says you will have missed the one service you could have got to that day.
jpflavin1 said:I walked in the early Spring (March/April) and most of the churches were closed/ locked except for the large cities. The exceptions, on my journey, were Roncesvalles and Carrion de los Condes where they had evening Pilgrim masses.
>annakappa said:Sometimes the times are posted in the Albergue, sometimes (but not always) the hospitalero should know and if not, as Johnny Walker mentioned, listen for the bells!
I think you will be welcome. I have always felt welcome, and even read an English part in Los Arcos at the request of the priest, who did not ask if I was Catholic, or even Christian. I have been to dozens of masses, and just watch a local woman and do what she does! I don't speak Spanish. Just go, and have fun. The ceremony and surroundings are magnificent.what to expect, or even whether they would be welcome
The 6PM Mass in Roncesvalles has a very Special Blessing at the end when the Priest blesses all Pilgrims in more than 10 languages. He encourages ALL Pilgrims to gather in the middle aisle and then Blesses with Holy Water. I thought this was a very special moment not to be missed.tyrrek said:I was wondering if there was a thread somewhere on this site for non-catholics who want to attend church services along the Camino. I imagine it could be quite daunting for some people wondering what to expect, or even whether they would be welcome. I'm probably not the best placed to give advice, but I'm sure someone out there is.
With all due respect Tyreek, if you are a Non-Catholic you should NOT step out to have Communion. This is a Sacrament with specific preparatory requirements within the Catholic Church; preparatory classes period, First Commnunion, typically precedes been able to take in the Communion in Church. I say this with the utmost respect to you and knowing that you/most pilgrims would not want to offend in any way by doing this. I say it as I wear my "Cathechist Teacher" hat The Blessing that precedes the Communion and the one at the end is intended for all present so yes, you are definitely being Blessed by attending Mass.tyrrek said:Can non-Catholics get a blessing instead of communion and if so what's the etiquette?
http://www.catholic.comOther Christians and Communion
The guidelines for receiving Communion, which are issued by the U.S. bishops and published in many missalettes, explain, "We welcome our fellow Christians to this celebration of the Eucharist as our brothers and sisters. We pray that our common baptism and the action of the Holy Spirit in this Eucharist will draw us closer to one another and begin to dispel the sad divisions which separate us. We pray that these will lessen and finally disappear, in keeping with Christ’s prayer for us ‘that they may all be one’ (John 17:21).
"Because Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship, members of those churches with whom we are not yet fully united are ordinarily not admitted to Communion. Eucharistic sharing in exceptional circumstances by other Christians requires permission according to the directives of the diocesan bishop and the provisions of canon law. . . . "
Scripture is clear that partaking of the Eucharist is among the highest signs of Christian unity: "Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread" (1 Cor. 10:17). For this reason, it is normally impossible for non-Catholic Christians to receive Holy Communion, for to do so would be to proclaim a unity to exist that, regrettably, does not.
Another reason that many non-Catholics may not ordinarily receive Communion is for their own protection, since many reject the doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Scripture warns that it is very dangerous for one not believing in the Real Presence to receive Communion: "For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died" (1 Cor. 11:29–30).
I have always added to "For thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory
FOREVER AND EVER, AMEN
CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY SOMETIMES THIS IS NOT USED?
Another familiar doxology is the one often added at the end of the Lord's Prayer: "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever and ever, Amen." This is found in manuscripts representative of the Byzantine text of Matthew 6:13, but not in the most ancient manuscripts. Most scholars do not consider it part of the original text of Matthew, and modern translations do not include it, mentioning it only in footnotes. The same doxology, in the form "For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours, now and for ever", is used in the Roman Rite of Mass, after the Embolism. The Catholic Encyclopedia (1914) states that this doxology "appears in the Greek textus receptus and has been adopted in the later editions of the Book of Common Prayer, [and] is undoubtedly an interpolation." The Catechism of the Catholic Church refers to the Didache and Apostolic Constitutions.
A doxology (from the Greek δόξα [doxa] "glory" + -λογία [-logia], "saying") is a short hymn of praises to God in various Christian worship services, often added to the end of canticles, psalms, and hymns. The tradition derives from a similar practice in the Jewish synagogue, where some version of the Kaddish serves to terminate each section of the service.
Your statement that the original question is about receiving a Blessing is not entirely correct. The original statement clearly asked on receiving a Blessing as an ALTERNATIVE to receiving Communion. Nowhere in the responses I found one that would discourage Non-Catholics from attending Mass nor any "warnings" :?: . Quite the contrary. Most of the above posts are informative as to when/how/where. I completely agree that, if Non-Catholic, then you ought to honored the Catholic rites and abstain from taking in the Commnunion, noting that THE WHOLE MASS IS INCLUSIVE. Maybe the reason this is unclear to many is because they have not gone through the teachings (Cathecism) that explains the significance and special transformation that makes the Communion such a significant part of the Mass. The Catholic Church does not take the Communion lightly and hence, the requirement that all that move forward to take in Communion understand and accept the meaning of this rite.grayland said:I am a little saddened that many of the recent posts seem to me to be very "non-welcoming" to non Catholics even tho they seem to be trying. Almost sounds as if the "Church ladies" are posting. :wink:
The original question was about going forward at Communion and getting a blessing ...not receiving Communion as far as I can see. In the Seattle area (and I assume the rest of the U.S.) it is normal and common for children and non-Catholics to go forward if they wish and simply cross their arms and get a blessing. It is done in every church in this area as far as I know.
I hope all of this "warning" has not put people off from attending a Mass while on the Camino. You will not be asked to do any of the things being discussed. Just don't go forward (many people will not) at Communion. No one cares or even notices. Happens every Sunday.
Enjoy the opportunity to experience church while on the Camino and don't let anything said here make you stay away.
tyrrek said:I was hoping for something along the lines of 'top tips' for people unfamiliar with Catholic church-going, such as the difference between types of services, what you might practically be asked to do (e.g. during a mass, shake hands on the sign of peace, put some coins in the plate etc.) In respect of the particular question of receiving a blessing I was actually thinking about people approaching the altar during Communion (without receiving it!) so they can actively be part of the service rather than just sneaking in at the back and feeling nervous for 40 minutes.
Thanks Grayland, this thread was beginning to make me sad as it seemed to be becoming divisive.grayland said:I am not sure if you are suggesting that some or most of the Catholics here are not knowledgeable about the Mass .... or that non-Catholics "have not gone thru the teachings"?? I suspect that few, if any, non-Catholics would have done this. As for the Catholics here...you may be making a pretty big assumption.
Maybe we sholuld just give it a rest.
Everyone is welcome at a Catholic Mass, just as they are in most churches around the world.
sillydoll said:Because this is a question often asked on Forums, I devoted an Appendix to it in my book:
Attending a mass on the Camino can be a very special experience even if you
are not a Christian. Pilgrims of all faiths and nationalities have been blessed in
the Catholic churches for over a thousand years. Whether or not you participate
in Holy Communion depends on your interpretation of the sacraments.
And one more last thing. When Communion is administered to someone on their
death-bed it is referred to as ‘viaticum’ which means ‘food for the journey’. But
in a real way, every time we receive communion, it is viaticum, food for the
pilgrimage of life!
I completely agree; this discussion has been tremendously informative. May everybody have an amazing day and Buen Camino!methodist.pilgrim.98 said:Actually this topic has not been divisive, it is cleared up a lot of questions.
Tia Valeria said:If you folow the link to the thread http://www.caminodesantiago.me/board/miscellaneous-topics/topic10543.html you will find a link to a printable version of the Spanish Mass
Br. David said:A pilgrim, however, is a different animal ... if the pilgrimage is from the heart then it is a spiritual journey - one is already a penitent, one is already in communion with that Other, in a personal way. This being the case it seems to me that it is a right act to receive the sacrament wherever and whenever one can if it is offered - if one has opened one's heart to what is taking place - to what is really taking place.
And think - the priest does not read minds, it is God that reads minds.
Just a point of view.
Br. David said:Tell you what, this evening I will write to the Vatican and ask what they think pilgrims should do.
Will get back to you.
All is well. :wink:
methodist.pilgrim.98 said:However, let me assure you if I were at Mass on the Camino alongside yourself for the sake of your conscience I would not take the host. However, I would certainly feel seriously deprived, but I would not wish to cause you offence. If I were at your home church I certainly would not do so because I could go elsewhere that day.
markss said:My understanding comes from a lifetime as a practicing Catholic, 16 years in Catholic schools and subsequently having completed post graduate theology studies. This is the first place I've ever heard it stated that the Catholic Church finds it acceptable for non-Catholics to partake in communion. Quite frankly I do not accept these opinions as authoritative, particularly when all one has to do is refer to the Vatican's own website on the matter. How much more authoritative can it get!
Lydia - do you have a copy to send to another pilgrim? I plan to walk in May 2022. TY in advance: I will PM my email address.Hi Andrew,
I spent five weeks on the Camino this year and managed to get Mass about 80% of the time.
It is true that most churches are locked during the daytime but will open about half an hour before mass for the local ladies to say the rosary and 'the trimmings of the rosary.'
In most villages 8.00 pm was the time of mass and as previous pilgrims have said; ask old ladies, and listen for the bells , they usually ring about ten minutes before Mass.
In many churches they have the blessing for pilgrims immediately after Mass and time and time again I found that the local people would wish us well with such enthusiasm that one would think that we were the first pilgrims to pass by that year
If you would like a copy of the prayers and responses for Mass just PM me your email address and I'll send them to you.
You may want to look for a more recent post - this thread is ten years old!
For anyone still looking for help with Mass Times. It has been some time since I have used it but I think this website still works: misas.org