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Close route Napoleon

Mikel Olivares

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El tramo más duro del inicio de la ruta jacobea se cerrará en invierno

  • Los peregrinos deberán tomar obligatoriamente la ruta de Valcarlos y no la de Bentarte-Lepoeder
  • La decisión se toma para garantizar la seguridad de los peregrinos y de los equipos que intervienen en rescates
Hardest beginning of the pilgrimage route section will be closed in winter
The pilgrims must necessarily take the route of Valcarlos and not to Bentarte-Lepoeder
The decision is taken to ensure the safety of pilgrims and equipment involved in rescues
05/07/2015 a las 06:00

Los frecuentes extravíos de peregrinos en medio de la ventisca y de la niebla, en ocasiones sin equipación adecuada para una ruta de montaña y con consecuencias fatales para sus vidas, han motivado que a partir de este año se cierre en los meses invernales (desde el 1 de noviembre hasta el 31 de marzo) la ruta más dura de la primera etapa del Camino de Santiago.

Frequent wanderings of pilgrims in a blizzard and fog, sometimes without adequate equipment for a mountain path with fatal consequences for their lives, have caused that from this year to close in the winter months (from the November 1 to March 31) the hardest route of the first stage of the Camino de Santiago.
 

scruffy1

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Good luck with that one! There are some very obstinate pilgrims in this world, three I know of had to be rescued-one by helicopter and who paid the bill? Not the pilgrim! A wise decision long past due.
 

dougfitz

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@Mikel Olivares, this seems to appear in several news sources, but never with reference to the authority that has made this decision. Do you know what civil authority has made this decision and how it will be enforced?
 

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Good luck with that one! There are some very obstinate pilgrims in this world, three I know of had to be rescued-one by helicopter and who paid the bill? Not the pilgrim! A wise decision long past due.
On the 19th April 2012 we were advised by the Pilgrim Office not to go the Napoleon route because of high winds, snow and fog. Later that day we met some pilgrims, one from Ireland, and they said they were going the Napoleon, how bad could it be? We took the advice from the Pilgrim Office, enforced by my wife who had come to see us off. When we reached Roncevalles we later met the same Irish guy, he was pale and exhausted and probably in a bit of shock, he told us he didn't think he would make it, conditions got so bad.
Heed best advice from the locals, ignoring them can prove fatal.
 

Mikel Olivares

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The news appears today in the "Diario de Navarra".
Javier Morrás, Minister of Interior of the Government of Navarra.Ha signed a resolution that has the approval of the City of Valcarlos, Provincial Police, emergency agency, and most importantly, Conseil Général des Pyrénées Atlantiques in France.
 

allykat

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Is this about the downward part? Or the entire route over the Pyrenees?
I remember, my first day was after and before a few particularly rainy days in June 2013, and the Pilgrim office showed us a picture and said "when you get HERE, turn left". Because the "normal" route was far too steep and muddy for people to walk safely.

Stupidly, we looked for the yellow arrow the picture showed (which, we probably should have realized was drawn in for emphasis) and never finding it, continued straight on into the mud and steep slopes. I kept my footing, but my compatriot slipped SEVERAL times, with a heavy pack. We later found out after arriving in Roncevalles, that one womans camino was stopped short after breaking her leg just an hour ahead of us on that same route.

I certainly understand the need to keep people safe, but my climb up the mountains was one of the most memorable events of my camino, because I did it with my friend. I hope they don't close it completely so that when conditions permit, people can still move through that route if they choose.
 

MartinZ

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I hope they don´t place an impregnable little yellow banner across the road!
Without kidding i´m all for it, the passing does get underestimated.

The Valcarlos route is still pretty in its own right, granted not the same grand views but of those there are plenty to go around on the camino CF.

I enjoyed the achievement of `thank God I made it´ more then the views of Lepoeder.
 
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falcon269

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I hope they don´t place an impregnable little yellow banner across the road!
It will be a problem. There are several streets that lead to the route, which is a road that I am sure will remain open to traffic. Once on the Valcarlos Route, it is not easy but it is possible to get back to the Route Napolean, so turning all pilgrims to the open route may not work. It would not surprise me if clever minds are already plotting ways to avoid the ban. ;)

If French authorities really care about closing it, they will need to devote the resources to doing it. Pilgrims that need to be rescued may be deemed in violation of the law rather than good judgement, and be deported. THAT would be a memorable end to an aborted pilgrimage.
 
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whariwharangi

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Here on the wet coast ... there were hikers on the West Coast Trail that was closed for the winter. They got rained on and the trail became difficult to negotiate so they called for Search and Rescue. SAR showed up and determined there were no immediate issues and left them there.

So my suggestion would be that if the route Napoleon is 'closed' that means its closed to SAR personnel. You are then on your own ... Darwin awards be damned.

You don't see Nepal closing Everest just because a few climbers get killed.
 
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whariwharangi

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It will be a problem. There are several streets that lead to the route, which is a road that I am sure will remain open to traffic. Once on the Valcarlos Route, it is not easy but it is possible to get back to the Route Napolean, so turning all pilgrims to the open route may not work. It would not surprise me if clever minds are already plotting ways to avoid the ban. ;)

If French authorities really care about closing it, they will need to devote the resources to doing it. Pilgrims that need to be rescued may be deemed in violation of the law rather than good judgement, and be deported. THAT would be a memorable end to an aborted pilgrimage.
Errrm ... at least 80% of the pilgrims are from Europe ... so where would you deport them to?
 

MTtoCamino

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It is interesting that so many think they have to start in SJPDP in the winter no less. You will still have quite a buen Camino if you start in Roncevalles or Pamplona. I as well wanted to cross the Pyrenees as it seemed to be a challenge. But in the winter you best be clear on what you will encounter. Deep snow, high winds, cold temperatures, no visibility. No one to help you, no shelter.
I think closing is a great idea, if you want to take it on then it is purely on you if they find your carcass in the spring. It simply does not have to be the starting point.
Buen Camino
 

nalod

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I have walked the entire Pyrénées coast to coast from Irun in Spain's Atlantic coast to Banyuls sur Mer on the Mediterranean in France. No one one dare to start earlier than June and the people would be off the mountain by early Oct. I know of course there are differences but it is wise guidelines.
 

MTtoCamino

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This is part of the problem. It is closed at end October. That means there is no place to stop between Huntto and Roncesvalles.
I agree end of October to the end of March. But business slows down they couldn't possibly stay open, or I wonder even drive drive up that road. In heavy snow years & ice it may well need a snowmobile. I didn't see any sign of them on locals properties, but that is only half way in elevation. It would be very interesting to know if they keep an average snowpack on top. In April 2014 there were still 2 meter drifts on the north facing slopes.
What would really help is if any locals do have snow machines & take pictures up there in winter. But pictures of the brutal conditions may help educate folks to the reality of what they may be considering. Then the issue is putting out the pictures, the Camino office in SJPDP with a high quality large picture of a blinding storm might just be the what is needed.
 
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whariwharangi

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I agree end of October to the end of March. But business slows down they couldn't possibly stay open, or I wonder even drive drive up that road. In heavy snow years & ice it may well need a snowmobile. I didn't see any sign of them on locals properties, but that is only half way in elevation. It would be very interesting to know if they keep an average snowpack on top. In April 2014 there were still 2 meter drifts on the north facing slopes.
What would really help is if any locals do have snow machines & take pictures up there in winter. But pictures of the brutal conditions may help educate folks to the reality of what they may be considering. Then the issue is putting out the pictures, the Camino office in SJPDP with a high quality large picture of a blinding storm might just be the what is needed.
A high quality picture? How about a blank sheet of white paper and save a few bucks. Scatter a few pairs of black ink dots and tell 'em those are the sheep.
 

MTtoCamino

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A high quality picture? How about a blank sheet of white paper and save a few bucks. Scatter a few pairs of black ink dots and tell 'em those are the sheep.
LOL you still have to explain what the sheep are doing there even they have better instincts.
To get back to a serious note, my concern is not just for an adult but for some reason a minority of parents put children in these situations. We had a mother not from our region who decided a GPS would get her to her destination safely in the middle of winter. They did not make it. The more basic you close the route, the more basic you make signs that you don't depend on language or technology the better.
 
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Roger M.

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I am all for common sense, planning, preparation, good information and caution. But I am also sick and tired of governments, do-gooders and busy-bodies telling people what they can and cannot do in situations like this.

Let the Pilgrims Office and the authorities post and inform folks that SAR is suspended and that you proceed at your own risk and allow people to make their own free choice.

Just my opinion.
 
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Roger M.

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The problem is that if anyone DOES risk it it the rescue service who have to go out searching for the idiot .

Ondo Ibili !
Sorry. I thought I made clear that SAR ( search and rescue ) would be suspended.
 
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Pabloke

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Currently, who's paying the cost of a rescue? It should be paid by those rescued.

Maybe the future is the private insurance purchasing. To cover rescues, injuries, sicks ...
 
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Tincatinker

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I posted this in an earlier thread, nothing changes. "We used to classify casualties as "lucky" and "un-lucky". The un-lucky were those who, despite having the right equipment, skills and knowledge to venture safely in challenging environments had had the mis-fortune to experience an accident and needed help. The lucky were those who ill-equipped, ignorant of hazards or ignoring advice placed themselves in situations from which they had to be rescued. They were "lucky" because there were people willing to risk their own lives and comfort to mitigate their stupidity."

We know that there have been pilgrims past who have ventured the Napoleon against advice. Some have even boasted their achievements. Would they be so adventurous (or stupid) in the knowledge that no-one will come looking for them - other, perhaps, than a grieving relative or two?

@JohnnieWalker , fair point. Though no one has to put themselves in harms way in order to scrape the bull-runners off the cobbles.
 
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whariwharangi

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Fascinating. Close the route Napoleon where very few pilgrims get into trouble and even fewer die but keep promoting the Pamplona Bull Run where many get injured or die. Interesting double standard.
15 minutes worth of ambulance vs several hours and perhaps days worth of SAR resources ...
 
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Pabloke

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Fascinating. Close the route Napoleon where very few pilgrims get into trouble and even fewer die but keep promoting the Pamplona Bull Run where many get injured or die. Interesting double standard.
Yes.

It's like they don't allow you to buy viagra without prescription while wars are allowed.
 
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Roger M.

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I posted this in an earlier thread, nothing changes. "We used to classify casualties as "lucky" and "un-lucky". The un-lucky were those who, despite having the right equipment, skills and knowledge to venture safely in challenging environments had had the mis-fortune to experience an accident and needed help. The lucky were those who ill-equipped, ignorant of hazards or ignoring advice placed themselves in situations from which they had to be rescued. They were "lucky" because there were people willing to risk their own lives and comfort to mitigate their stupidity."

We know that there have been pilgrims past who have ventured the Napoleon against advice. Some have even boasted their achievements. Would they be so adventurous (or stupid) in the knowledge that no-one will come looking for them - other, perhaps, than a grieving relative or two?

@JohnnieWalker , fair point. Though no one has to put themselves in harms way in order to scrape the bull-runners off the cobbles.
I disagree. Who is "Lucky" and who is "Unlucky" is a subjective opinion. Let the pilgrim make their own choice. Don't forget, they have been making it for over a thousand years at much higher risk than there is today.

And no one HAS to put themselves in harms way to rescue a pilgrim between Nov 1 and March 31 or anytime for that matter.
 
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whariwharangi

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I disagree. Who is "Lucky" and who is "Unlucky" is a subjective opinion. Let the pilgrim make their own choice. Don't forget, they have been making it for over a thousand years at much higher risk than there is today.

And no one HAS to put themselves in harms way to rescue a pilgrim between Nov 1 and March 31 or anytime for that matter.
I would suggest that many of the people who walk the camino have not a clue and thus has a higher percentage of the "lucky" than is the case on other famous treks where the incidence of the "un-lucky" is more prevalent.

The problem of letting the pilgrim make their own choice is that of whether the pilgrim has the competency to make that choice.
 
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Roger M.

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I would suggest that many of the people who walk the camino have not a clue and thus has a higher percentage of the "lucky" than is the case on other famous treks where the incidence of the "un-lucky" is more prevalent.

The problem of letting the pilgrim make their own choice is that of whether the pilgrim has the competency to make that choice.
My last reply as I know the futility of this argument and the obsessive desire of so many to protect those less competent than themselves from the dangers that only they seem to be aware:

If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life. --- Henry David Thoreau
 

falcon269

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If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life.
I particularly resent the requirement to use only one side of the highway. It is such an unimaginative imposition by government. It is just so unnecessary around Walden Pond.
 

MTtoCamino

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I disagree. Who is "Lucky" and who is "Unlucky" is a subjective opinion. Let the pilgrim make their own choice. Don't forget, they have been making it for over a thousand years at much higher risk than there is today.

And no one HAS to put themselves in harms way to rescue a pilgrim between Nov 1 and March 31 or anytime for that matter.
I agree for a single adult but this do gooder as you feel the need to proclaim is still concerned for youngsters following parent. They have closed it. Yet we will continue to see deaths due to individuals making the wrong decision. But this is worth discussing.
 
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I do not understand how they are actually going to stop anyone walking that route at any time of year? Will there be an impassable barrier? Will there be a Guardia Civil vehicle and police officers turning you back? There are certain types of people who walk the camino to whom rules are to be ignored or they are seen as a challenge!
 

navarro

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That may be true for non-European pilgrims, but SJPdP is easy to get to from the rest of Europe. Pamplona or Roncesvalles, not so easy!
The basic problem is not to arrive at SJPdP but the use of Route Napoleon in winter. There are alternative routes by Valcarlos or by road. The main matter is that many people thinks " If I dont pass by Route Napoleon y dont make the genuine "camino", or I must do the hardest way to prove myself i am strong enough. I think that rescue services coordinated French and Navarra will not leave anybody lost in the mountains, but if you break the law you will be fined and I suppose that you will pay inmediattely in cash or they will not let you to continue. And the costs of a rescue operation is not cheap.
 

navarro

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It is interesting that so many think they have to start in SJPDP in the winter no less. You will still have quite a buen Camino if you start in Roncevalles or Pamplona. I as well wanted to cross the Pyrenees as it seemed to be a challenge. But in the winter you best be clear on what you will encounter. Deep snow, high winds, cold temperatures, no visibility. No one to help you, no shelter.
I think closing is a great idea, if you want to take it on then it is purely on you if they find your carcass in the spring. It simply does not have to be the starting point.
Buen Camino
No, they only close the Route Napoleon, if you like to begin in SSdPP you must use the Valcarlos route. The road usualy is cleaned and open very soon after snowing.
 

Tincatinker

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Exactly, like you may have seen already in other parts of the world: A sign or banner or similar that says in several languages: "This road is closed. It's dangerous. Don't go." It will stop people who may have entered otherwise but nobody expects it to be fool-proof.
That is the essence of the problem. Good advice is never FOOL-proof.
 
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Government cannot do that. :)
No but I would think that the Spanish Provincial Govt could pass a regulation advising that if you use a "closed route" and need to be rescued you will be charged the FULL cost of the rescue - (say E10,000) and you will not be permitted to leave Spain until the fees are paid.

But in reality I am in agreement with David - these fools are primed candidates for the Darwin Awards - and maybe humanity does need to remove them from those that do the breeding. :D
 

trevorcc

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The basic problem is not to arrive at SJPdP but the use of Route Napoleon in winter. There are alternative routes by Valcarlos or by road. The main matter is that many people thinks " If I dont pass by Route Napoleon y dont make the genuine "camino", or I must do the hardest way to prove myself i am strong enough. I think that rescue services coordinated French and Navarra will not leave anybody lost in the mountains, but if you break the law you will be fined and I suppose that you will pay inmediately in cash or they will not let you to continue. And the costs of a rescue operation is not cheap.
I have crossed the route twice (not in Winter) and have seen many break down in the warmer months, the basic problem as I see it is they want to close this way because each year more ill equipped pilgrims try it and the more rescues have to be carried out, putting the rescuers at risk. We should respect their rules also if you do continue when its closed your insurances is worthless and you could end up with a high bill. Or do the ones that dont care also expect the others to pay as well. One death saved it worth all the annoyed pilgrims.
 
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Anemone del Camino

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Why this need to claim you knoe why people opt for this route? Who says it's to prove strength, or to make claims of having "done it". I did not do it for any of these reasons, but because I wanted to walk into Spain, and didn't lnow about the alternative via Valcarlos. Plus, have you seen the views. This overweight middle age woman has never regreted it. But she also is not stupid enough to do it is winter. The fog alone up there was scary enough.
 
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The mathematical distribution of all natural things tends to follow a curve with a hump in the middle called the Bell Curve. Discovered by Carl Frederich Gauss, its also called a Guassian curve. Peoples abilities when plotted in a curve will follow the same principle and you are clearly on the far right of the curve in terms of distance and speed. As someone who is on the opposite side of the curve, I can only hold such accomplishments in awe!
 
Most travel insurance policies cover evacuation from a hospital and not rescue from the field or mountain. If you are concerned about needing help while trekking, then make sure you have a policy that will come evacuate you from wherever you are.
 

Theo

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Here follows an English translation via Google Translate

SJPP-Roncesvalles en hiver (Navarre 2015) (en)

Government of Navarre Department of Presidency, Justice and Interior
Legal System Service and Personnel - Carlos III, 2-31002 PAMPLONA -
Tlfnc. 848 42 70 41 - Fax 848 42 77 29
to
General Council of the Atlantic Pyrenees - 64, avenue Jean Biray - 64058 Pau (France)
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THE GENERAL DIRECTOR OF INTERIOR issued the following resolution:

"RESOLUTION 152/2015, of 1 July, which measures restricting step for this variant of the Camino de Santiago in its first stage, at the entrance to Navarre, from November 1, is set to 31 March.

Provincial Decree 290/1988, of 14 December, by which it passes through Navarre definitively defines the Camino de Santiago as it passes through Navarra and their protection is established, regulated, among other things, your itinerary .

The first stage of the French Way of the Camino de Santiago, in Navarra entrance, has two variants: the West that, starting from Saint Jean Pied de Port, runs through Luzaide-Valcarlos and Ibañeta to Roncesvalles, and this that starting from Saint Jean Pied de Port, runs through Huntto, Orisson and Lepoeder Port to Roncesvalles.

This variant is successful over 1,200m of altitude, taking into account the 154m asl that is to Saint Jean Pied de Port and 1432m asl Port Lepoeder, plus small intermediate slopes.

To overcome this gap, pilgrims wishing to face this stage must have adequate physical preparation, situation that has proven it does not occur in a high percentage of them. This situation must be added the significant increase in effort required when there is snow or when weather conditions are bad, without prejudice of the material equipment to be carried in such situations, which, likewise, have been found not carry on many occasions.

It so happens that the way it enters Navarre at high altitude, 1288m asl and in the Navarre section has no loopholes Lepoeder up the hill, 5km after coming in Navarra.
There have been continuous actions to improve signage and periodic verification of its validity. At present, it is only in situations thorough and blizzard may have trouble not followed.

Also they are being made at present actions to improve coverage through new technologies much of the route in Spain.

However, interventions persist in this area of rescue personnel, both professional and volunteer, often motivated by the weakness or lack of information and preparation of the pilgrims, given the harshness of this this route.

The situation is particularly serious in the winter, with very difficult conditions for rescues, including situations of risk for life-saving equipment, given the terrain and climate of the area, and the serious difficulties of access, location and evacuation.

So consulted the City of Luzaide-Valcarlos, the Association of Friends of the Camino de Santiago in Navarre, the Departments of Culture, Tourism and Institutional Relations and Rural Development, Environment and Local Government, the. Atlantic Pyrenees General Council, the Provincial Police, and seen the report of the Navarra Emergency Agency, in which the large number of pilgrims attention is stated in this section.

To ensure the safety of pilgrims is necessary to establish measures to restrict passage of those who choose the variant west road during the winter.

Views regarding the powers of Public Safety holds the Government of Navarra, according to the Regional Law 8/2006 of June 20, Public Safety-of Navarra, as well as measures of public action on civil protection and management Emergency corresponding to the Government of Navarra, according to the Regional Law 8/2005, of June 1, Civil Protection and Emergency of Navarre.

Accordingly, in exercise of the powers it recognized me Provincial Decree 12/2014, of January 29, by which the organizational structure of the Department of Presidency, Justice and Interior approved,

RESOLVE,

1 .- Establish, for reasons of safety for people, measures to restrict passage through this variant of the Camino de Santiago in its first stage by Navarra, having as mandatory traffic on dates between November 1 and March each year, the western variant of the Camino de Santiago (Valcarlos), unless express authorization by the Navarra Emergency Agency 31.

2nd .- Close this variant on those dates the entry into Navarra, in point of geographical coordinates 43 ° 3'2,02 "N and 1 1616.04" W, near the Collado de Bentartea.

3rd .- instruct the Directorate General of Environment and Water, the placement of signs banning the elements necessary step and cutting step.

4th .- instruct the Navarra Emergency Agency developing the procedure for issuing authorizations mentioned in paragraph 1 of this resolution.

5. Instruct the Provincial Police tracking breaches of this Resolution.

6th. Instruct DGs Communication and Tourism and Consumer publicize that this resolution on the websites referred to the Camino de Santiago, Agencies and other advertising media or information related to the Camino de Santiago.

7th. Post this resolution in the Official Gazette of Navarre, to general knowledge.

8th. Report this resolution to the Navarra Emergency Agency, the Fire Service Fire and Rescue Corps of Provincial Police, the Directorate General of Environment and Water, the Directorate-General for Communication, the Directorate General of Tourism and Consumption, the Directorate General of Culture, the Association of Friends of the Camino de Santiago, the City of Luzaide-Valcarlos, the City of Roncesvalles, the Government Delegation in Navarra Spain and the General Council of Pyrenees-Atlantiques, warning that against it may be brought an appeal before the Minister of Presidency, Justice and Interior, in accordance with the provisions of Articles 114 and 115 of Law 30/1992 of 26 November on the Legal Regime of Public Administrations and Common Administrative Procedure. In the event that it is government, they can directly bring an administrative appeal, subject to prior notification provided for in Article 44 of Law 29/1998, of July 13, of Jurisdiction Administrative.

Pamplona, one July two thousand and fifteen.
THE GENERAL DIRECTOR OF INTERIOR,
Jose Fernandez Francisco Elizalde. "-------------------

Government of Navarre Department of Presidency, Justice and Interior
Legal System Service and Personnel - Carlos 111, 2-31002 PAMPLONA -
Tlfno, 848 42 70 41 - Fax 848 42 77 29

What notify you for your knowledge and pertinent effects

Pamplona, July 6, two thousand fifteenth.
THE DIRECTOR OF THE LEGAL SERVICE STAFF REGULATIONS,
Pilar Revuelta Zapico
 

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Thank you mspath, I have merged the threads.
 

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