- Camino(s) past & future
July/August 2017 - Astorga to Finesterre
July/August 2020 - SJPP to Santiago
July 21st or June 21st? For the ending of quarantines?
I've realized this, but was surprised to read this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffw...-heres-the-latest-for-june-2020/#9aba349aafa4Unfortunately until the pandemic is under control there, it is unlikely anyone will be thrilled at the prospect of letting Americans in.
Yes, I heard this on the new yesterday.Spain has announced that travelers from the UK will not be required to go into quarantine.
The borders are officially opening at midnight between Sunday and Monday, but in practice Monday will be a bit of a transitional day at the land borders, and Tuesday is the first full free open borders day.
This is confirmation that people who are not showing overt symptoms can spread the disease. We could all be super spreaders, walking from village to village. For those who know first-hand what this virus can do, it's a horrifying thought.I'd love to be proven wrong actually.
Given the proportion of new cases in Greece who are asymptomatic, I had always thought it unlikely they were all directly infected by symptomatic cases.This is confirmation that people who are not showing overt symptoms can spread the disease. We could all be super spreaders, walking from village to village. For those who know first-hand what this virus can do, it's a horrifying thought.
After reading your analysis, I am not sure what conclusion you are referring to. Is it what VN says?...I'd love to be proven wrong actually.
I agree that is an apparent conclusion, but it could be a good thing in that many people have antibodies (and contribute to potential herd immunity) without knowing they'd had it, and a bad thing in terms of asymptomatic transmission. It is important to understand both.This is confirmation that people who are not showing overt symptoms can spread the disease.
This is a theory that I haven't heard before, and I'm not sure how it relates to the study Kathar1ina refers to.there is a significant % of the population with a cross-resistance from previous infections with other coronaviruses -- and thing is, people in that situation simply do not develop antibodies, despite not getting the disease. It is unadvisable from that basis to speculate.
When I looked at the numbers - 600 persons tested positive on antibodies, which means that they had been infected, and of those only 90 persons had been confirmed as infected while they carried the virus versus 510 infected persons without such a confirmation by a PCR test while they had the virus, I thought I must have made a calculation mistake because 510:90 is surprisingly high. Since then, I've also watched an hour long press conference and presentation given by the Innsbruck researchers/virologists and thought a bit more about it all.what conclusion you are referring to
Diane, looks like your plan will be on hold as the US, along with Brazil and Russia, are among countries being considered to NOT be able to travel to the EU. I am also from the US and had planned to walk the Le Puy route in the fall. Given the US COVID-19 trend, I am not hopeful. Buen camino.My plan was to begin walking from Saint Jean Pied de Port on July 14th. While I've been hopeful, I've been holding this all so loosely. I'll continue to hold it so, as I know things can change quickly, but this does seem to side favorably for my summer Camino - right?
I know. :-( SOOOOO sad.Diane, looks like your plan will be on hold as the US, along with Brazil and Russia, are among countries being considered to NOT be able to travel to the EU. I am also from the US and had planned to walk the Le Puy route in the fall. Given the US COVID-19 trend, I am not hopeful. Buen camino.
The EU is banning travellers from the USA and from about 160 other countries ... looks like the USA is not particularly unique . Plus, of course, I think the USA is still banning European travellers?The EU will be banning American travelers when they open the borders on 1 July.
Good news but for the fact Australians are currently not allowed to travel outside of Australia without having a very good reason. (Still correct?)The list of countries that one will be able to travel into the EU from, in addition to EU + Schengen travel area + UK, from 1st July onwards is as follows :
Australia, Canada, South Korea, Japan, New Zealand, Rwanda, Thailand, Uruguay, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Georgia, Montenegro, Serbia.
Good news but for the fact Australians are currently not allowed to travel outside of Australia without having a very good reason. (Still correct?)
You are correct, of course. I’ve been reading excessive amounts of Regency era novels, in which hyperbolic expressions of politeness abound. I was caught up in my gladness to be inching towards another camino.There is nothing about kindness in the decision about which countries to include or exclude at this time, nor should there be!
A king, two prime ministers and a president at a ceremony to mark today's reopening of the Spanish-Portuguese land border. Maybe that's a message that merits to be spread to other parts of our world: government leaders and kings and queens do wear face masks.
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Yes, @SYates posted about how to participate in this campaignEl Correo Gallego has a short article today about John Rafferty who many will know under his nom de plume of Johnnie Walker. The article mentions his initiative Volveremos - Dear Way, we will return, an appeal to people from around the world to send emails to media outlets in Spain to let them know that they care for the people of Spain and the Camino and another project of walking from Saint Jean Pied de Port to Santiago this August to carry the wishes and prayers of those pilgrims who cannot come to Spain this year.
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And, here on Vancouver Island, people are freaking out at seeing the many US license plates on vehicles. Sorry, folks, if you have to take a ferry here, it is NOT on the road up to Alaska!It’s very kind of the EU to include Canada in the list of welcome nations. Warms the cockles of my heart.
Sadly, we are still advised to not travel, which means no insurance coverage, and our borders remain essentially closed to all non-essential travel. We have chairs propped up against the doors...
Happy Canada Day to my fellow Canucks!
Do you have sources for this?There are some reports that either :
a) As many as twice the number of those with Covid19 antibodies may have cross-resistance from previous coronavirus infections
b) Twice the number of those known to be resistant to Covid19 from antibodies may have resistance to it by either those antibodies, or by cross-resistance from previous coronavirus infections
Do you have sources for this?
That depends very much on whom you ask, your own government authorities or the Portuguese authorities ... and then of course there are the opinions of the forum. ☺As things stand now, if I’m coming from the UK, I can walk the Francés from SJPdP or anywhere along the route - but I can’t walk the Portugués yet. That’s right, isn’t it?
I guess anyone thinking about going from the UK to Portugal has to take two factors into account:I suppose if a person had walked the Portugués and finished in Santiago, they’d be returning from Spain and therefore not in need of quarantine.
As things stand now, if I’m coming from the UK, I can walk the Francés from SJPdP or anywhere along the route - but I can’t walk the Portugués yet.
That’s right, isn’t it?
Great news so is the full camino Frances open now?The pilgrims office in SJPP opened yesterday (29 June). They say on FB that 46 pilgrims came to their office and were registered in their statistics: mostly French and some Europeans; about a dozen left for the Camino Frances, all the others had walked on the paths in France.
And here we go and this is how it goes:
It has just been announced by the Spanish Ministry of Health that entry to and exit from the comarca Mariña, an area to the north of Lugo, will be prohibited during the next five days in order to contain and control a local Covid-19 outbreak. The Camino del Norte goes through part of it. You have until midnight tonight (Sunday 5 July) to get out if you are not a resident and after midnight you will be only allowed to leave or enter for work purposes and similar justified reasons. 70,000 people are affected by this measure. And: Regional health minister Jesus Vazquez Almuina told a news conference the biggest outbreaks were linked to several bars in the area.
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La medida entrará en vigor en la medianoche de este domingo y supondrá que las 71.000 personas residentes en 14 concellos de la zona no podrán entrar y salir de la comarca salvo causa justificada, como por motivos laborales. Habrá que usar mascarilla en playas y piscinas, salvo en el momento del...www.lavozdegalicia.es
Yes.I fear that they may pick up the virus by eating in bars, then bring it back to the albergues.
Wow - great video for those people wondering what is currently considered safe travel needs (if they are desperate enough to risk travelling ‘to and from’. & ‘walking the way’ with outbreaks and lockdowns in progress? )This news causes me to feel more concern for pilgrims walking the caminos this summer. .............shown in this short video
It's interesting to read a bit about the background of this local outbreak. It was already in the local news a week ago, see here. Mainly young people affected. Many without symptoms or only light symptoms, hence the fear of increased transmission by people who aren't even aware of being a carrier.
This news causes me to feel more concern for pilgrims walking the caminos this summer. There is really no difference in much of Spain between bars and restaurants as places for pilgrim meals. If pilgrims are to eat all their meals outside of the albergues, as is shown in this short video:
I fear that they may pick up the virus by eating in bars, then bring it back to the albergues.
Thanks for informing us of these new stats, @Kathar1na. I'm surprised there are so many walkers already arriving in Santiago. I wonder if mostly the Spanish are walking from Sarria, or if they are coming from many other European countries as well.
Some could be pilgrims who had to cut their walk short, and restarted close to Santiago.
Interesting statistics. More than trebling in a week.
More will be known about this at the end of the month. July and August are summer holiday season and there is always a shift to proportionally more Spanish camino walkers, and the majority of the Europeans who flood into Spain go to the beaches and islands.I wonder if mostly the Spanish are walking from Sarria, or if they are coming from many other European countries as well
You have stated that you personally are still choosing to be quarantined at home and going almost nowhere. I don't see why you say that you are "part of the problem"...other than being a living, breathing human. You are definately part of the solution though until a vaccine with good results is discovered.As i see myself as part of the problem and part of the solution
Yes, "less is more" sometimes. Next year will certainly be a zoo on the Camino being a Holy Year and we cooped up pilgrims all chomping at the bit to walk, especially if a viable vaccine is discovered.I personally think that the interest is generally now shifting to what is actually going on in Spain and in particular on the Caminos. I often catch myself thinking how great it must be to walk the Camino Frances right now when there are so few other walkers ... like walking in November but without the cold and the rain. ☺.
The daily Compostela figures I listed earlier are actually similar to the later weeks in November and early weeks in March (in years where Easter is late). I am curious to see the numbers for this weekend and then the numbers at the end of the first two weeks of July ...
Found the graphs consistent with my perceptions in general...thanks for posting them!This is actually also interesting: the percentage of those surveyed in the UK who would consider going on holiday in Spain and in other countries this summer. It may well be typical for people in other countries, too, and may reflect the strong feelings that people currently have about travelling for holidays/vacation purposes (and which includes camino walking). And please, it ought to be possible to look at these graphics without falling into national stereotyping, or condemning national stereotyping or venting about how your own country or someone else's country is dealing with Covid-19. Please.
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