Denatured alcohol/Trangia stove

[lthrnck55]

Hello - Can anyone point me to a store in SJPDP that sells small amounts of denatured alcohol for use in a Trangia stove? --- Thanks --- Mark

 

[Stephen]

I'm told, on another forum, that you can get in in pharmacists.

 

[SYates]

Eh, just to tell you, there isn't a real need normally to carry a stove on the CF, lots of albergue kitchens and bars around. Save the weight. Buen Camino, SY

 

[lthrnck55]

I'm told, on another forum, that you can get in in pharmacists.

Thanks for the info.

 

[whariwharangi]

Hello - Can anyone point me to a store in SJPDP that sells small amounts of denatured alcohol for use in a Trangia stove? --- Thanks --- Mark

You might try the small outdoor gear shop just down the hill from the Pilgrim office.

Table of names for fuel
http://fuel.papo-art.com/#tableoffuelnames

 

[lthrnck55]

Eh, just to tell you, there isn't a real need normally to carry a stove on the CF, lots of albergue kitchens and bars around. Save the weight. Buen Camino, SY

Eh, just to tell you, there isn't a real need normally to carry a stove on the CF, lots of albergue kitchens and bars around. Save the weight. Buen Camino, SY

Please ... as well meaning as you may be, I ask that you do not send me unsolicited advice. Thanks.

 

[lthrnck55]

You might try the small outdoor gear shop just down the hill from the Pilgrim office.

Thank you very much.

 

[Christian Hiriart]

Please ... as well meaning as you may be, I ask that you do not send me unsolicited advice. Thanks.

The most appropriate reply would be just to say THANKS... We respect each other here...

 

[Jeff Crawley]

Eh, just to tell you, there isn't a real need normally to carry a stove on the CF, lots of albergue kitchens and bars around. Save the weight. Buen Camino, SY

There is if you like a decent cup of tea!

 

[SYates]

Lol, in that case an electric coil would be lighter and less hassle ;-) Buen Camino, SY

 

[Jeff Crawley]

Please ... as well meaning as you may be, I ask that you do not send me unsolicited advice. Thanks.

More unsolicited advice - don't be so abrupt with people who have far more experience than you and who contribute so much to this forum. Play nice or you won't get invited to any more parties

Back to your original point if you go to most supermarkets and look in the cleaning section you'll find small plastic bottles usually 100 or 250ml of alcohol. Works fine, some people add a splash of water to it. Do not buy methylated spirits (usually blue coloured) as it stinks.

 

[Jeff Crawley]

Lol, in that case an electric coil would be lighter and less hassle ;-) Buen Camino, SY

But then you need a 10km extension cord so you can plug it in

Sun's up, time for a walk - now where did I put that pack?

 

[Tia Valeria]

I am not sure how you intend to use the stove but do please be aware that fires outside (in the wild) are prohibited in many areas and even a trangia stove may well be illegal. This may be more unsought advice but is worth noting!

 

[lthrnck55]

Thank you again to the two gentlemen that provided concise answers to my question. Very much appreciated.

To the rest, I hope you have a wonderful day.

 

[donalomahony]

I am not sure how you intend to use the stove but do please be aware that fires outside (in the wild) are prohibited in many areas and even a trangia stove may well be illegal. This may be more unsought advice but is worth noting!

I agree with this. I once accidentally kicked over my Trangia in Switzerland and but for the quick action if fellow backpackers I would have definitely caused a serious local fire.

There is signage on many Caminos about illegality of fires and caution about lighting cigarettes. I seem to remember this particularly before San Juan de Ortega.

Just an observation.

 

[Castilian]

I ask that you do not send me unsolicited advice.

I hope you don't regret once on the camino for having ignored the unsolicited advice you got.

 

[homebuilt]

An option would be to use barbecue lighter / lighting fuel. It can be found almost everywhere. It will be based on methanol or ethanol. What ever it based on it will burn. I have used it before without any problems. Try it before you go.

 

[Anniesantiago]

Please ... as well meaning as you may be, I ask that you do not send me unsolicited advice. Thanks.

Nobody is "sending" you unsolicited advice.
This is a public forum.
Here's some more advice. If you want help from other more experienced walkers, try a simple "thanks," and then do whatever you want.

In my opinon, there is absolutely no reason to take a stove on the Camino.
It's a fire hazard and there are more than enough places to eat along the Way.
But that's just my opinion.

 

[homebuilt]

Carrying a stove can be a good option for some people as there is the convenience, you can stop when you like and prepare a drink or a meal. Then there is the budget consideration, you can make big savings if you can brew a drink or cook your own meals.

 

[lthrnck55]

Some folks don't get it ... I understand. Their Camino consists of waking up in the morning, bustling around and waking others up, getting on the trail and hurrying to the next albergue, washing their clothes and getting a nice hot shower, sitting down to a nice Pilgrim's meal, jamming ear plugs into their heads so they do not hear the groans, squeaks and farts of the next person and sleeping to the rhythm of their own heartbeat. Repeat.

That's not me. That's not my Camino. While I am not against sleeping in an albergue or enjoying a Pilgrims Menu, I truly enjoy picking up a few things, some cheese, fruit, fresh tomato a bottle of wine, chorizo and sleeping under the Milky Way. Watching the stars, listening to the music of the night, reading the bible and contemplating the universe. In the morning, I make my own coffee or tea. I fry a fresh egg or eat some oatmeal. Sometimes God treats me to a gorgeous sunrise that can feel like my very own.

The hobo stove I carry has been adequate by gathering twigs and small branches. I am just thinking of using a more reliable fuel source. I am 62 years old and have camped more times than I can count without starting a wildfire.

I have participated in vespers with the sisters at the Benedictine Monastery in Leon, laid in the pastures surrounded by horses and found peace in the music of their bells in the Pyrenees, received miraculous healing at the Pilgrim's Mass in Ponferrada and was awed by the beauty of a sunset outside of El Acebo.

As I have read on this forum many time, "It's Your Camino". SYates and others surprised me with their condescending and yes, "unsolicited advice" to a very specific question that I asked. I tried to be polite with "please" and "thanks" and gently letting her know I did not need or appreciate it. I was not being disrespectful in my view. I felt that she was. And frankly, I do not care how many books she has written. And if I spend a few less Euros at the cafe and bars, I feel no guilt.

Peace and Buen Camino,

Mark

 

[homebuilt]

Mark, would you mind telling me what what hobo stove you are using. There are some great wood burning stoves available that very effective wood burners. I have a wood burning stove that can also use a trangia burner. The honey stove would give you the best of both.

http://www.backpackinglight.co.uk/bushcraft/RD103.html

 

[SYates]

Yes, I do understand, especially as I have, in the far and distant past of the Camino, done likewise. But things have changed, at least on the CF. Just meditate for a few moments and try to step into the situation of a farmer that lives alongside the way:

He might not know that you know how to wild camp/light a fire/stove securely.
He might be afraid of you causing a fire. Forest fires are a big problem on the camino. *
He might be tired of finding every single day pilgrims wild camping on his grounds.

I didn't want to come across as condescending, sorry if I didn't express myself better!, but we, as pilgrims tend to see only our own 'moments in time' whilst the people living alongside the Camino see thousands and thousands of pilgrims pass every year, every single one thinking 'it is only me that does xyz, so no big deal and I know what I am doing'.

Still not sure I can transmit what I am thinking, but just try to put yourself into the shoes of a farmer that DOESN'T KNOW YOU.

Buen Camino, SY

*Many years back there was a major forest fire near Ponferrada, some people (pilgrims?) had made a fire on a mountain/near a river without containing it properly. The peat/underground caught fire and it crawled up the mountain and suddenly burst into the open. Many trees and wildlife were lost, thankfully, as far as I know, no human lives were lost. We could see the smoke from the albergue in Ponferrada where I was a hospitalera at that time. It was frightening. As far as I know the fire starters were never caught, they might have been pilgrims, they might have been local youth, they, most likely, didn't had any bad intention and even were quite careful. They simply didn't know about the local circumstances (peat/or peat like turf) that caused an underground fire ...

 

[lthrnck55]

Mark, would you mind telling me what what hobo stove you are using. There are some great wood burning stoves available that very effective wood burners. I have a wood burning stove that can also use a trangia burner. The honey stove would give you the best of both.

http://www.backpackinglight.co.uk/bushcraft/RD103.html

Here is the one I use. It has served me well. I would like to try the trangia burner if I can reliably get the proper fuel source.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CMQJW0E/?tag=casaivar02-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008VZ91WO/?tag=casaivar02-20

Hope this helps.

I will check out your stove.

Thanks

 

[lthrnck55]

Yes, I do understand, especially as I have, in the far and distant past of the Camino, done likewise. But things have changed, at least on the CF. Just meditate for a few moments and try to step into the situation of a farmer that lives alongside the way:

He might not know that you know how to wild camp/light a fire/stove securely.
He might be afraid of you causing a fire. Forest fires are a big problem on the camino. *
He might be tired of finding every single day pilgrims wild camping on his grounds.

I didn't want to come across as condescending, sorry if I didn't express myself better!, but we, as pilgrims tend to see only our own 'moments in time' whilst the people living alongside the Camino see thousands and thousands of pilgrims pass every year, every single one thinking 'it is only me that does xyz, so no big deal and I know what I am doing'.

Still not sure I can transmit what I am thinking, but just try to put yourself into the shoes of a farmer that DOESN'T KNOW YOU.

Buen Camino, SY

*Many years back there was a major forest fire near Ponferrada, some people (pilgrims?) had made a fire on a mountain/near a river without containing it properly. The peat/underground caught fire and it crawled up the mountain and suddenly burst into the open. Many trees and wildlife were lost, thankfully, as far as I know, no human lives were lost. We could see the smoke from the albergue in Ponferrada where I was a hospitalera at that time. It was frightening. As far as I know the fire starters were never caught, they might have been pilgrims, they might have been local youth, they, most likely, didn't had any bad intention and even were quite careful. They simply didn't know about the local circumstances (peat/or peat like turf) that caused an underground fire ...

Thank you for understanding. I promise to be thoughtful, considerate and safety concious each and every time I strike a match or build a fire. My Boy Scout training of over 50 years ago still serves me well. Thank you for relaying the story of the wildfire in Ponferrada. I will keep it in my thoughts.

Peace and Buen Camino,

Mark

 

[homebuilt]

Mark,

Both our stoves are very similar in design it would be hard to choose one over the other.

Thanks, James.

 

[lthrnck55]

Mark,

Both our stoves are very similar in design it would be hard to choose one over the other.

Thanks, James.

What can I say? Great minds think alike!

 

[homebuilt]

From my experience using the honey stove when trying to buy fuel in Cyprus ( I was walking the long distance path across Cyprus ). The two questions to ask are

1, what type of shop would sell suitable fuel.

2, when a suitable shop was found what would I be asking for.

Having not put any thought into the two questions then finding a suitable fuel was problematic.

Having a think about your home town how many places would sell fuel and what would ask for. If you have a couple of hours free go for a walk round you home town and see what the results are. An example would be a chemist would not sell meths but may sell denatured alcohol. If you asked for meths which they do not sell they would not think to offer you denatured alcohol as an alternative. I hope that helps.

 

[Castilian]

Some folks don't get it ...

Right, it seems you didn't get yet that this is a public forum where anyone can read the answers to any question and, therefore, the unsolicited info that may be unappreciated and/or useless for the person that opened a thread could be appreciated and/or useful for some readers. And it seems you didn't get yet that users can write whatever they want (as long as they don't break the forum rules) and not just what you want to read.

Their Camino consists of waking up in the morning, bustling around and waking others up, getting on the trail and hurrying to the next albergue, washing their clothes and getting a nice hot shower, sitting down to a nice Pilgrim's meal, jamming ear plugs into their heads so they do not hear the groans, squeaks and farts of the next person and sleeping to the rhythm of their own heartbeat. Repeat.

You didn't make the camino with them so you can't know how they make it. You might try to guess it from the posts but, IMHO, there isn't enough info on the posts as to make an educated guess (let alone to present it not as a guess but a bunch of facts) other than guessing that some of the forum users that replied don't carry a stove during their caminos. Therefore, any description about the way in which other forum users make the camino can only be either pure fiction or based just in stereotypes and your own prejudices towards those forum users.

As I have read on this forum many time, "It's Your Camino".

It should be obvious that your camino should respect local laws if you don't want to get into problems. However, it seems you aren't interested on that because @Tia Valeria made a post warning you that your plans might be illegal and you neither liked her post nor thanked her for it. Of course, it's up to you to research whether using the sort of stove you plan to use is legal wherever and whenever you plan to use it or if it isn't legal and you could face problems if you were caught using it but, due to the unsolicited advice you got on this thread, if you had any legal problem for using your stove, the only one to blame would be yourself (either for not researching it or for not researching it well enough).

 

[lthrnck55]

uh .... yeah .... I guess so ... maybe

 

[obinjatoo@yahoo.com]

Check out the chart I stuck in there. Different countries use different names and sell it under various names. I could only find it in paint stores in Mexico for example.
Happy cooking!

 

[JeepsNRoses]

uh .... yeah .... I guess so ... maybe

Your Camino sounds charming, Mark. I hope you find your fuel & I wish you yet another safe and memorable journey.

 

[lthrnck55]

Check out the chart I stuck in there. Different countries use different names and sell it under various names. I could only find it in paint stores in Mexico for example.
Happy cooking!

Thank You!

 

[lthrnck55]

Your Camino sounds charming, Mark. I hope you find your fuel & I wish you yet another safe and memorable journey.

Thank You!

 

[Evan Lacer]

An option would be to use barbecue lighter / lighting fuel. It can be found almost everywhere. It will be based on methanol or ethanol. What ever it based on it will burn. I have used it before without any problems. Try it before you go.

Lighter fluids and barbeque fluids are typically light petroleum distillates: not based on methanol or ethanol.

Petroleum fuels will certainly burn, but alcohol stoves aren't designed for them. Their use will result in alarmingly large yellow flames, and will cover both burner and pot with heavy black soot.

As homebuilt said, try it before you go. Personally, I cannot recommend.