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el Peregrino "on line"

sillydoll

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The pilgrim "on line"
Google is finalizing a virtual tour of the French route and a Youtube channel for Xacobeo
Xacobeo 2010 is very close, as well as the possibility of the Camino de Santiago from your couch. The management team of this Jubilee Year is determined to be "the most technological in History". To do so, they have signed an agreement with Google that the initiative of the most spectacular is the possibility of conducting a virtual tour of the French route with fully detailed realty.
Thousands of photographs taken over three months are "cooked" in the back of the factory for at least two months, making thousands of users in virtual pilgrims physically attach them after this ancient route.
Amaia Mauleon-Vigo for the XXI century pilgrim Internet holds no secrets, knows and uses the tools of the network to plan your trip and even to walk the walk without blisters, a single click and withoutout any significant corner left unvisited.
2010 will mark the second Holy Year of the century and Jacobean organizers are determined to make it "the most technological of all" to attract more visitors. They have signed an agreement with Google for the most spectacular of which is a virtual tour of the French Way performed with Street View technology, which allows Internet users to go in a real way with a 360-degree look at monuments, towns and roads of this route.
The Google team has been taking pictures of the Camino in the summer months in some special vehicles and now the images are being processed.
"This is the biggest campaign of Google in a single run done so far," says Ignacio Santos, manager of Xacobeo. Moreover, after the French Way, a study to develop the process in the other routes. "The idea is for people around the world to experience the pilgrimage from their homes and finally decide to go," he adds.
But the possibility of "kicking" the Way from the couch is not the only novelty of this technological Xacobeo. The agreement also involves the creation of a specific Youtube channel which will be activated next Tuesday. It will contain the Way videos focused on their history, gastronomy, nature and culture, "but mostly we wanted to give prominence to the testimony of pilgrims," says Santos. A tired film crew has shared with hikers for two months to gather their experiences on video. "We hope that by the end of the year that there are 26 million visits to the youtube channel," said the manager.
Other sections are more advertising placement targeting, which is the inclusion of links to Xacobeo websites in complying with profiles of the pilgrims.
"This campaign is aimed at the issue of spirituality, the older pilgrim, 50 to 60 years," said Santos. Web surfers sponsored links on pages from Spain, France, Germany, Italy and the UK. Also in Websites related to the four aspects of the Path-spirituality, culture, gastronomy and nature-there will be links which guide the pilgrims to the hypothetical Xacobeo page.
Google Adwords, assist in this task by placing the first line Xacobeo thematic research. Adding the different tools, the manager calculates Xacobeo get "over one and half million visitors to the web and 160 million ad views" before year end
 

johnBCCanada

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This feels weird and raises all kinds of questions. THe camino on yuotube is not the camino. Howver maybe many people will think it is and the real (in the old fashioned sense of real?) Camino will not get more crowded.

I thnk you can know too much before starting something new and there is value to discovery both of the way and of your self discovering the way.

or maybe I just need another coffee on a Sunday morning

john
 

lynnejohn

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Like Google's similar and questionable "street view", I see only crass commercialism in this. It just raises so many questions for me. And the strange statement ". . aimed at the issue of spirituality, the older pilgrim, 50 to 60 years" - what's that about? Only pilgrims over 50 are spiritual, or pilgrims over 50 can't physically walk the camino?

I agree with John - let's leave an element of mystery and discovery, and yes, physical challenge to the camino. Let the millions who are on youtube for far too many hours and far too many ersatz experiences get off their...chairs... and walk the camino.

Cynically,
lynne
 

KiwiNomad06

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My sister often turned to Google to see where I was walking when I walked from Le Puy last year. I am sure there are many 'at home' a long distance away who would welcome the chance to see in more depth where their loved ones are walking.
I can also imagine turning to this site to look again at some monuments especially that I went by far too quickly, as I was too focused on getting to the day's end. And who knows, I might visit them as a tourist on another occasion. It is not only those who walk the Camino who have an interest in it.
Margaret
 

sillydoll

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Perhaps the article lost a bit in the translation. I think the writer was trying to say
". . aimed at the issue of spirituality, and also the older pilgrim of 50 to 60 years".

"The idea is for people around the world to experience the pilgrimage from their homes and finally decide to go"
I don't know when I'll get back to the camino frances so I welcome the opportunity to revisit - even if it is in a virtual reality way - the towns and monuments of the Way.

I also rather fancy being able to visit a Youtube channel that focuses on the history, gastronomy, nature and culture of the ways as well as the testimony of pilgrims.

I'm looking forward to seeing the new Pilgrim on-line channel next Tuesday!
 
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Anonymous

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I agree with Sil (though that translation had its weird areas ...) - tourist brochures have been around for a few centuries now - the Codex Calixtinus springs to mind and that was 12th C (codex just means 'book' by the way) ..
and this, surely, is just an updated tourist brochure (if not much more)?

So now the Catholics and other interested people of the world who have electricity will be able to see what it is all about and those that cannot go, for whatever reason - poverty, children, disability, can 'go' in another fashion?

Seems ok to me.
 

lynnejohn

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Oh for heaven's sake! Of course people who for any reason at all are unable to economically, geographically, or physically walk the camino were not the people to whom I referred! Give me a break!
I am just skeptical of the billions of dollars that are constantly being generated by Google in partnership with ..whoever, without any kind of connection to the project or community itself. In addition, municipalities and provinces are under the gun to generate revenue in order to keep operating, so there is pressure to sign up for this kind of enterprise.
I am not sure that this is progress. That's all.

lynne
 
sillydoll said:
Perhaps the article lost a bit in the translation
the xlation was correct, tho it does seem to imply that those under 50 aren't particularly spiritual :shock: Would perhaps have helped if the title had also been xlated 'The online pilgrim'. Also a bit odd that the Faro de Vigo seems to be the only paper to have picked up on this so far.

AIUI, the Street View is only for the Galician section - Ivar may have some more info on that
 
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lynnejohn said:
Oh for heaven's sake! Of course people who for any reason at all are unable to economically, geographically, or physically walk the camino were not the people to whom I referred! Give me a break!
I am just skeptical of the billions of dollars that are constantly being generated by Google in partnership with ..whoever, without any kind of connection to the project or community itself. In addition, municipalities and provinces are under the gun to generate revenue in order to keep operating, so there is pressure to sign up for this kind of enterprise.
I am not sure that this is progress. That's all.
lynne

Steady now, no need to go off on one - I am entitled to my own point of view you know ... as for crass commercialism .. have you seen the souvenir shops at religious shrines? I rather like them

As for 'progress' there is no such thing - we are as we have always been, just a few more gadgets.
 

Caminando

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lynnejohn said:
Like Google's similar and questionable "street view", I see only crass commercialism in this. It just raises so many questions for me. And the strange statement ". . aimed at the issue of spirituality, the older pilgrim, 50 to 60 years" - what's that about? Only pilgrims over 50 are spiritual, or pilgrims over 50 can't physically walk the camino?

I agree with John - let's leave an element of mystery and discovery, and yes, physical challenge to the camino. Let the millions who are on youtube for far too many hours and far too many ersatz experiences get off their...chairs... and walk the camino.

Cynically,
lynne

I broadly agree here Lynne,

And tho' I welcome and enjoy technological progress, this all makes me feel prehistoric - none of this stuff being in use when I first walked the Camino. I think there was a great advantage in coming fresh and without many preconceived ideas then. I find your comments about Google and a kind of parasitic commercialism absolutely spot on.

Erzatz experience - yes, that's what I think too. It might be interesting AFTER walking the Camino, but for me, not before. It's certainly not a substitute for those who for any reason can't walk the route! The mind boggles!!!! :shock:

:arrow:
 

ivar

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Peter Robins said:
AIUI, the Street View is only for the Galician section - Ivar may have some more info on that
Not sure how official these things are yet... we should know more tomorrow when Xacobeo presents their program for next year. There should be a lot of info in the papers tomorrow or Wednesday...

I guess pilgrims think that Xacobeo and the money they spend are all used to promote the Camino. I have realized that this is not all true, it is actually set up by the government in Galicia to promote Galicia.... using the camino an an important part of it all. This is why there are a lot of cultural events planned for next year, not aimed primarily at pilgrims (I think), but more to attract tourist in general to Galicia.... we might agree or disagree on this strategy, but the region of Galicia is one of the poorest in Spain and the Camino is "all" they have... so they use that angle to promote themselves. In these times of economic downturn, I read a lot in the papers these days that "Holy year is all we have"... local businesses are really counting on next year to get them out of trouble... so I look at what the Xunta is doing is to try an promote the region and get people to walk the camino, take a buss, take a plane.... but go to Galicia. That is the goal...

...these are all my thoughts... and I am not talking on behalf of Xacobeo when I say this.. :)

Greetings from Santiago,
Ivar
 

Sansthing

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Older pilgrim of 50 to 60 - does that make anyone over 60 an 'ancient pilgrim'? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sandra
 

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ivar said:
I guess pilgrims think that Xacobeo and the money they spend are all used to promote the Camino. I have realized that this is not all true, it is actually set up by the government in Galicia to promote Galicia
there's nothing new in that. I subscribed to the Xacobeo's news feed for a while, thinking I would get Camino-related news. Instead, I got a lot of announcements about concerts and other events that had nothing whatever to do with the Camino, pilgrimage or even Santiago.
 

johnBCCanada

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Hello

When I first read this post it pushed some buttons for me and I suspect for others. I am wary of new technology and devices that solve problems I didn't have or enhance my life in ways I don't see as enhancement. I am one of those guys who has a cell phone but usually leaves it at home. I like the technology such as the internet and find it very useful such as being involved in this forum but I a do not want to have unncecessary technology between me and my experience of the world. Seeing the world through a screen is not the same as being and doing.

This colours my perception of change and new developments. Change can be good but isn't necessarily so and needs to be considered.

If this is an economic booster for Galicia I am for it. I enjoyed Galicia and the people I met there (or at least most of them). I live in a small town where tourism plays an important role in keeping people working and I understand that Spain is suffering more from the current recession than many countries. While we may be pilgrims when we are in Spain we are also visitors enjoying a very inexpensive visist and I appeciate that people have to make a living.
 

ivar

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I think technology can never replace the real thing.... it can not even get close. But if you know nothing about the camino, maybe reading the forum... or maybe watching some YouTube video might help you learn about it and make you decide if this is for you or not.

For example, I just finished setting up the YouTube channel for Xacobeo...
http://www.youtube.com/xacobeovideo
..this is meant for the Spanish market (so most content are in Spanish, with English subtitles), but here we try to have pilgrims share their experience... a lot like the forum, only you can watch and listen.

...so I see the Google Street View and the YouTube Channel not as replacement for the real thing... more spread the word about what the experiences is like.. some might have a look and say "Not for me"... and some might say "Maybe I'll try that"...

Greetings from Santiago,
Ivar
 
ISTM these technologies extend the concepts of travel books, magazine articles or programs on TV. No-one ever claimed that reading a book or watching TV was a substitute for the real thing, any more than looking at a photo of your family is any substitute for having them in the same room. I can't see that internet technologies like watching a video or looking at Street View - or any future as-yet-undreamed-of technology - is any different.
 

sillydoll

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Peter - YGBK!!
! - sometimes 404 what you are saying! ISTM that B4YKI FLA will replace English and that ISNC.
AFAIUI txt talk (BKA netlingo) is not yet universal.
WDYT?
 

Rebekah Scott

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To each his own. Let the techies take their "virtual caminos." Maybe then the fights over electrical outlets in albergues will die down, as all the gadget-heads take their other path.
 

sillydoll

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I'm not a techie - or a gadget head - and one day, when I am too old to walk el camino, I will love following it in virtual reality from my computer monitor. I hope that the technology gets better and better so that one day I can actually walk it in virtual reality - wouldn't that be great!
My son (who is in a wheelchair) and who is a techie and a gadget head and a computer nerd is really going to enjoy seeing where his mother has spent so much time trekking, via his computer monitor.
My sister has COPD and is on oxygen almost 24/7 so she will never be able to walk el camino but she will also love seeing the places that she has only heard about from me.
I can't wait to show them!!
 

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