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LIVE from the Camino Expectations versus reality

jennysa

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I am now on my 8th day of the Camino, having started at SJPDP and arrived at St Dom de la Calz at lunch time today. I have followed the forum closely and picked up many useful tips, but until you are actually putting one foot in front of the other, you really have no idea of what to expect.

first of all, after all the comments, I was dreading the Napoleon route from SJPDP, but in actual fact it was fine and I coped well. The disappointing part was we had the hard slog but not the rewards as we had heavy mist all the way up. Arriving at Roncesvalles was quite a shock to see the size of the aubergue, but nevertheless, it was well run with good facilities. The biggest shock the next day was to see how many pilgrims there were on the road, and the pressure on to try to find somewhere to spend the next night. There were literally hundreds on the road and always bunched up so hard to overtake. We arrived at Zubiri so early, but were scared to go on to Larrassoana with its limited accommodation and the large number of pilgrims on the road. We subsequently heard how many were turned away. I thought that the end of April and beginning of May would be a good time to go, but now realise that it really is too busy now and I should have started in early April instead.

The other shock is to realise that it is difficult to saunter along because there is always the stress of whether you will get in too late to find any accommodation, so unless you join the 5 o´,clock brigade that gets up in the dark and wakes everyone up as they zip and unzip their bags, shine torches in your faces etc., you will struggle with accommodation as there are so many pilgrims and they all arrive by noon or lunch time, quickly filling up the aubergues. How pleasant it would be to amble along, taking one´s time and arrive late afternoon, but you would not find anything available then. (Our aubergue in Zubiri charged 15 euros, which included breakfast, but then only served breakfast at 8.00 am, which was far too late). However, the places I have stayed in have been superb - last night at Ventosa was the best. Lovely to be woken up by Gregorian Chants at 6.00 am. they had the right idea of banning pilgrims from the kitchen before 6.00 am and not opening up until then. The hospitelero at the sports centre outside Estella, Peter, was marvellous and in fact it was a very nice place to stay. Today I am in St Dom del Calz and the staff here have also been superb, even carrying my backup up to the room for me when they could see how tired I was.

I was expecting rain and cold weather but apart from the day of mist on the Pyrenees, the weather has been absolutely superbly warm and sunny. In fact yesterday I saw so many pilgrims walking around with very red sunburned legs, arms and faces. Long may it last.

Fortunately, after 7 days the aches and pains gradually disappear. My hips ached each night for the first week and if I stopped walking, all my muscles seemed to seize up. Now I am in my stride and already my trousers are beginning to hang on me!
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
I found it very liberating when I fully understood that I was not in control. After further contemplation, I discovered that I never had been in control! Ah, expectations vs. reality; isn't it great? Let yourself have fun!
 
Sawubona Jenny!!!
The probelm with starting during the Easter/labour day holidays is that everyone wants to incorporate these public holidays into their annual leave and that makes it a very popular time to start walking a Camino. The end of April and beginning of May has always been the most popular time to start walking.
This graph from St Jean shows the high reached at the end of April - just as high as July and August.
I'm sure that once the 'holiday' peregrinos have done their two weeks of Camino the numbers will thin out a bit although predictions were that the year after the Holy Year would be the busiest for long distance walkers.

PS: Thanks for taking the letter to Maria!
 

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Hi Jenny,

I'm walking the Madrid route now and I've only seen 2 pilgrims in 4 days walking. Though, must admit, I haven't stayed in any albergues yet. I had thought to rejoin the Frances in Sahagun but your post gives me pause - I rather like not seeing anyone at all on the route, and starting whenever I wake up...

alipilgrim
 
Hi J

A perceptive post. The CF is a very fine way, but the numbers can be an issue.
You might want to consider Ali's post above for the future?

Hi Ali - you seem to be content - that's great.
 
Alison, As you know I'm just back from Madrid route. I had Ane, Medina de Rioseca,Villeguillo, Alcazaren all to myself. In Ponte Duero and Viallon de Compos it was only the hospitalero. In Coca there were 5 cyclists and 2 á pie.
Sahagun and Leon were busy.

People wish you Buen Viaje as opposed to Buen Camino until they see Forum badge with yellow arrow.
 
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Hi Jenny,

My advice is to toss your guidebook and consider walking BETWEEN the stages - stop at strange places instead of the regular 20-something kilometer stops listed in all the guide books. Don't worry about getting a bed and certainly do not race for one.

Also, there are often people in town who rent rooms/beds. I found that very often I could share a PRIVATE habitacion with a couple of friendly pilgrims for less than the crowded albergue. So go to a bar when you first reach town and ASK.

Remember.. it's ok to take a taxi or a bus to the next (or the last) stop.

There are no rules.

Buen Camino!
 
I found the start of my Camino last year much the same. While I started in late Mar, Easter was early, and I arrived in Pamplona on Good Friday and then Estella on Easter Sunday. The path was crowded until the Easter Monday, when those with just the Easter break had returned home.

I would follow Anniesantiago's advice and not always follow the book. It took me nine or ten days to break the pattern recommended by Brierley in his guidebook. I formed the view that Brierley is 'safe', and following his recommendations will do several things. The distances are manageable, the places that he recommends stopping offer interesting things to see and do, particularly if one has made good time, and there is normally plenty of accommodation, at least relative to the immediate alternatives.

You will also find yourself with much the same people each night, or during the day, and there is much to be said for the camaraderie that forms from that.

The downside is that you may find that there are some whose company you would not seek out, particularly when their motives appear to be quite different. I suspect there is a fine line between a mendicant pilgim, a beggar and a thief. I know I met the first two, and I suspected that I met the third.

I also found a couple of other types obnoxious - and perhaps should write about them someday. Suffice to say that not always strictly following a guidebook every day can we worthwhile.
 
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Myself and my girlfriend, along with others we met on the way, walked in July-August 2010. We walked the Camino Frances.

Was it busy? Sure! But people are part of the reason we did the Camino and along the Mesetta we spent plenty of days in solititude only ever seeing a few other people.

The last 100KM's was trecherous in the 'finding a bed' department, but i look back on that now and cherish it as part of our Camino. It got me down when we got knocked back from a few albergue's on our last night Before Santiago, but we found a place to sleep, it added to our experiences.

I think expectation and reality should just be left behind after the first week. Live the days on the camino (however many) as they come :)
 
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Thanks Silly Doll but your graph is a bit of a worry for me!
I'm planning to leave in the first week of September which looks to be the busiest week of the year.
Looks like it is going to be crowded?

sillydoll said:
Sawubona Jenny!!!
The probelm with starting during the Easter/labour day holidays is that everyone wants to incorporate these public holidays into their annual leave and that makes it a very popular time to start walking a Camino. The end of April and beginning of May has always been the most popular time to start walking.
This graph from St Jean shows the high reached at the end of April - just as high as July and August.
I'm sure that once the 'holiday' peregrinos have done their two weeks of Camino the numbers will thin out a bit although predictions were that the year after the Holy Year would be the busiest for long distance walkers.

PS: Thanks for taking the letter to Maria!
 
The biggest shock the next day was to see how many pilgrims there were on the road, and the pressure on to try to find somewhere to spend the next night. There were literally hundreds on the road and always bunched up so hard to overtake.

Wow. Is this normal folks? I pictured a 'reflective' walk, not trying to fight for space on the road :(
Please tell me this is very rare, or only at certain holiday periods. I'm not looking for crowds........... at all.......
 
When I walked in early Apr 2010, it was Easter, and there were lots of pilgrims walking at that time. The numbers then thinned out until Sarria, when a large number of pilgrims walking the 100km into Santiago joined the trail.

I think it felt worse on the first few days because everything was unfamiliar. Later, some of the antics of the 100km pilgrims were annoying, but most of it was minor, and it would have been petty getting too upset about it.
 
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From May until October, there will be hundreds of pilgrims. There are plenty of beds. Find solitude by walking between groups. Plan to pass, and be passed by, other pilgrims. A polite nod or "buen camino" is all that is required unless you want to engage in conversation. Half the pilgrims are Spanish, so they are not likely to converse in English! Around holidays and in the last 100 km, the crowds will be larger.
 
Wow. Is this normal folks? I pictured a 'reflective' walk, not trying to fight for space on the road :(
Please tell me this is very rare, or only at certain holiday periods. I'm not looking for crowds........... at all.......

Hi, Robo,
If you are looking for a more peaceful 100 kms for your "shakedown" as you put it, consider any one of the following:
Primitivo from Lugo to Santiago
Sanabres from Ourense to Santiago
Ingles from El Ferrol to Santiago
Norte from Vilalba to Santiago

Each is about 100 km. These are all starting point that are just as easy to get to as Sarria and you will find a lot fewer people. They are all very pleasant routes.
 
Anyone hoping to experience a truly medieval pilgrimage should seek out the busiest, most crowded Camino Frances!
In 1121 when Ali-ben-Youssef, the Almorávida, sent a delegation to Doña Urraca, the legates were amazed at the crowds of pilgrims who thronged the road. They enquired from their escort in whose honour so great a multitude of Christians crossed the Pyrenees. 'He who deserves such reverence' answered the escort, 'is Saint James.' (Walter Starkie).

The Camino Frances became a more solitary pilgrimage only after it lost popularity from the 16th to 19th century. Less than 20 000 pilgrims visited Santiago in the whole of the 19th century ( less than 200 per year) with only 40 people attending St James' Holy Year mass in 1867. In 1974 a few million people visited Santiago but only a few Compostelas were awarded, mostly to people who lived close to the city.

Until the 1980's there was no 'Camino' trail as we know it now. Those who tried to walk el Camino de Santiago in the modern era (1970's and early 1980's) would have found the experience similar to walking the Via Francigena to Rome 10 years ago. No paths to speak of, lots of road walking, no guide books, no dedicated pilgrim accommodation, no arrows to show the way and a population who only had a vague knowledge of there having been a medieval pilgrimage. Don Elias Valina Sampedro was quoted as saying, "In the 1970’s there survived only a remote memory of the Jacobean pilgrimage”.
 
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Hi Jenny,

My advice is to toss your guidebook and consider walking BETWEEN the stages - stop at strange places instead of the regular 20-something kilometer stops listed in all the guide books. Don't worry about getting a bed and certainly do not race for one.

Also, there are often people in town who rent rooms/beds. I found that very often I could share a PRIVATE habitacion with a couple of friendly pilgrims for less than the crowded albergue. So go to a bar when you first reach town and ASK.

Remember.. it's ok to take a taxi or a bus to the next (or the last) stop.

There are no rules.

Buen Camino!
Hi there ... thanks for the advice. I'm doing my first Camino September 2014. I'm going to be slow .... probably between 10 - 15 k a day. Mind you I have the luxury of 3 months off work so am looking forward to taking my time. This is one of my biggest worries .... arriving somewhere and there being no beds available. I will have no trouble at all making a bar my first port of call and asking around! Cheers, Trish.
 
Hi there ... thanks for the advice. I'm doing my first Camino September 2014. I'm going to be slow .... probably between 10 - 15 k a day. Mind you I have the luxury of 3 months off work so am looking forward to taking my time. This is one of my biggest worries .... arriving somewhere and there being no beds available. I will have no trouble at all making a bar my first port of call and asking around! Cheers, Trish.


Laurie & I talk about this and decided that we will glady pass on a bed if it means diminishing our Camino experience . We don't want to "worry" , we want to " Live it " not "sleep it" ... so if needs be we will pray it doesn't rain as we plan to lay down our sleepy , painful old bodies on grass or dirt and give thanks for being alive .

Don't forget ! Should we meet hot chocolate is on us ! .. first step is planned for Sept 17th St Jean
 
I'm walking pretty solitary paths at the moment and oddly what has repeatedly come to mind as I plod along (Billy no friends!) is a recollection of camino crowds-specifically a sound picture . On my first long distance Camino I'd started in SJPP in early April so even though we could be fairly spread out there were always a few fellow pilgrims en route. But sitting down for a few minutes rest on the outskirts of Melide I remember hearing for the first time that precussive trudge of multitudes of pilgrim feet. Not just 10 or 20 but maybe 100 pilgrims or more and it seemed shocking to me then-even though I knew that by comparison with medieval crowds that was a mere drop in the ocean.
What's odd is that now, whenever I feel a bit unsure/lonely/stuck as I'm walking alone on less traveled routes, the memory that sustains me is not any of my solo so called 'triumphs' (pretty small fry rest assured!) but of that dust muffled collective ' tramp tamp tramp.......' And I don't think I'll ever feel quite so aggrieved again if, when my route rejoins 'the madding crowd', I find an albergue crowded or full but rather happy for being part of that great pilgrim flow.
 
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Hi nellpilgrim ….. that was a very nice perspective …. sometimes it just takes a slight change in perspective to see some things differently…… a good way to be … IMHO
 
Hi nellpilgrim ….. that was a very nice perspective …. sometimes it just takes a slight change in perspective to see some things differently…… a good way to be … IMHO

Annie when I'm allocated the top bunk right next door to the toilets and my co bunkee is a giggling teenager txting her mates at 11.30pm...... well I may need to 'revisit' that perspective:D Now I'm on record if I ever start complaining...... even about snorers:eek: you've permission to spare me no quarter.........;)
 
Hi all
For those that are planning to go, my one piece of advice is have no expectations just go with the flow and do not walk to a timetable but to your feelings stop when you feel like it Those that follow the guide book stages miss out on so much. I ended in hospital and yet found frienships and kindness it is a journey that will be written each day or hour just enjoy.
 
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