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Extra pillows logic problem

Lhollo

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Hello fellow pilgrims!

As you may have seen in my planning post about Belorado to Sarria, I’ve been merrily working away, booking rooms for that section.

Everything is unravelling now that some of the places I’ve reserved have said they have no extra pillows.

I’m having a bit of a wobble over this. I struggle with my need for extra pillows vs my ability to do many things quife athletically. But without the pillows, I get dislocations (health problem). This is why I prebook rooms: bunk beds, sleeping in a sitting position, and stacks of pillows don’t work well. But I want to be a ‘proper’ pilgrim 🙄. I mostly accept this stuff really.

I’m surprised the ‘little rural’ hotels (quoting from emails) don’t have spare pillows particularly during Covid… but also not surprised because I’ve seen how it works in practice. Anyway…

I just wondered what might be the response here. I’m considering shipping pillows… and paying for hold luggage… and carrying them on the train to Madrid at the end… I really don’t want to do this.

If one remote place with scarce private rooms sends a ‘no pillows’ email (eg, Hontanas and Tardajos) the whole itinerary for the surrounding days collapses.

Has anyone else had health related logistical problems? Does it play tricks with your sense of independence?
 
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Lhollo

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A variety of manufacturers make pillows for trekking. Some of the more popular brands include Therma-Rest, NEMO, and Sea-to-Summit. Perhaps one of these might help you solve your problem?
Sorry, I should have made this clearer. I have to sleep sitting upright with my knees also propped up, which usually involves five pillows. I do also take my own travel pillow (Thermarest) for my neck. Five pillows are usually manageable given that most places provide two anyway, and what with cushions etc being useable too. But some Spanish hotels only offer one pillow, and finding four more is harder for them.
 

D74

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Hello fellow pilgrims!

As you may have seen in my planning post about Belorado to Sarria, I’ve been merrily working away, booking rooms for that section.

Everything is unravelling now that some of the places I’ve reserved have said they have no extra pillows.

I’m having a bit of a wobble over this. I struggle with my need for extra pillows vs my ability to do many things quife athletically. But without the pillows, I get dislocations (health problem). This is why I prebook rooms: bunk beds, sleeping in a sitting position, and stacks of pillows don’t work well. But I want to be a ‘proper’ pilgrim 🙄. I mostly accept this stuff really.

I’m surprised the ‘little rural’ hotels (quoting from emails) don’t have spare pillows particularly during Covid… but also not surprised because I’ve seen how it works in practice. Anyway…

I just wondered what might be the response here. I’m considering shipping pillows… and paying for hold luggage… and carrying them on the train to Madrid at the end… I really don’t want to do this.

If one remote place with scarce private rooms sends a ‘no pillows’ email (eg, Hontanas and Tardajos) the whole itinerary for the surrounding days collapses.

Has anyone else had health related logistical problems? Does it play tricks with your sense of independence?
I swear by these - https://www.thermarest.com/ie/pillows/foam-pillows/compressible-pillow/compressible-pillow.html

Some of the albergue pillows are like sandbags, so having a therma rest pillow can be a life saver, or should I say neck saver. They fold up, so they don't take up too much space and don't weight much at all.

UPDATE - didn't see your later post of 5 pillows needed, apologies.
 
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Hey @Lhollo - That sounds a drag! Have you actually spoken to the hotels? On the phone? Could it be that they haven't grasped the medical nature of your request? I feel certain that every place I stayed would certainly try their best to resolve such a thing - but it might be a struggle to make them understand. Could there be an inflatable solution? A foot pump and inflatable pillows? At least as a fall back?
 
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Could you just pack them in a duffle that you have sent by baggage transport daily?
To me, this is the answer. It's very inexpensive and LESS expensive than buying pillow and shipping them to each location. Just carry them alone if you're booking privates and have them delivered each day.
 

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@Lhollo The logistics of 5 pillow does seem daunting. Just some thoughts.

Inflatable reading pillow

Exped Large Inflatable Pillow I have a medium without the foam that I take camping sometimes that is very light.

Also what about your extra clothes etc. stuffed into a pillow case at night.

Maybe consider a transport for the extras each day.

Good luck.
 

Lhollo

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You have already walked part of the Camino, right? What did you do then?
Everywhere was fine about it! That’s partly why I’m a bit shocked now. The meseta places are the problem mostly. Also some of the more remote places later (O’Cebreiro has been v difficult to arrange in general but the place I’ve booked has been lovely, despite few pillows).
 
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I definitely like the idea of sending your pillows daily to the next stop.
Buy a collapsible holdall to pack them in.

Buen Camino
 

Lhollo

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CF pt2, Belorado to Sarria, May 21 – June 12, 2022
To me, this is the answer. It's very inexpensive and LESS expensive than buying pillow and shipping them to each location. Just carry them alone if you're booking privates and have them delivered each day.
I’m considering this. It’s just… I sort of want to find a way to be free of the baggage. And I’ll need to carry them to Madrid on the train, then through the airport, and use the hold on the plane which I wasn’t going to do. It was so freeing during the last three week Camino we did, to just have a backpack and no worries about other stuff. But I was quietly and invisibly dependent on places having pillows.
 

Lhollo

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CF pt2, Belorado to Sarria, May 21 – June 12, 2022
@Lhollo The logistics of 5 pillow does seem daunting. Just some thoughts.

Inflatable reading pillow

Exped Large Inflatable Pillow I have a medium without the foam that I take camping sometimes that is very light.

Also what about your extra clothes etc. stuffed into a pillow case at night.

Maybe consider a transport for the extras each day.

Good luck.
I am wondering about an extra super light but very large pillow and just carrying it despite some extra weight. Thanks for these links.
 

Eddiebee

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You might just buy as many pillows as you need once you get to Spain and then ship them ahead each day using one of the baggage transport companied. I found the pillows in albergues to be very small and thin. I might consider something like this on my next Camino next year.
 

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Everywhere was fine about it! That’s partly why I’m a bit shocked now. The meseta places are the problem mostly. Also some of the more remote places later (O’Cebreiro has been v difficult to arrange in general but the place I’ve booked has been lovely, despite few pillows).
Had you also contacted them in advance? Maybe once you are there in person and explain the problem they will be able to accommodate you?

If you decide to buy pillows in Spain there's an Ikea store in Madrid. You could buy some pillows there inexpensively.
 
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Hello fellow pilgrims!

As you may have seen in my planning post about Belorado to Sarria, I’ve been merrily working away, booking rooms for that section.

Everything is unravelling now that some of the places I’ve reserved have said they have no extra pillows.

I’m having a bit of a wobble over this. I struggle with my need for extra pillows vs my ability to do many things quife athletically. But without the pillows, I get dislocations (health problem). This is why I prebook rooms: bunk beds, sleeping in a sitting position, and stacks of pillows don’t work well. But I want to be a ‘proper’ pilgrim 🙄. I mostly accept this stuff really.

I’m surprised the ‘little rural’ hotels (quoting from emails) don’t have spare pillows particularly during Covid… but also not surprised because I’ve seen how it works in practice. Anyway…

I just wondered what might be the response here. I’m considering shipping pillows… and paying for hold luggage… and carrying them on the train to Madrid at the end… I really don’t want to do this.

If one remote place with scarce private rooms sends a ‘no pillows’ email (eg, Hontanas and Tardajos) the whole itinerary for the surrounding days collapses.

Has anyone else had health related logistical problems? Does it play tricks with your sense of independence?
Will a pillowcase stuffed with your spare clothing work? Something you could try at home. If that doesn't work I doubt any lodging except a luxury hotel will work.
 

Lhollo

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CF pt2, Belorado to Sarria, May 21 – June 12, 2022
Had you also contacted them in advance? Maybe once you are there in person and explain the problem they will be able to accommodate you?

If you decide to buy pillows in Spain there's an Ikea store in Madrid. You could buy some pillows there inexpensively.
Yes, I contacted them in advance and usually that’s all I need to do. One or two places have been a little abrupt his time, asking me to cancel the reservation, but most are either still happy to help or just literally unable to offer more than a single pillow, maybe two. I’m surprised they don’t have spares really but they must have a system.
Could something like this set-up (lightweight inflatable mattress & lightweight frame) get you part-way to a solution?
I’ve had that in an Amazon list for ages and keep looking at it! It may well be the answer. Thank you 🙏
Will a pillowcase stuffed with your spare clothing work? Something you could try at home. If that doesn't work I doubt any lodging except a luxury hotel will work.
I have to giggle a bit because my clothing is so minimal! Last time, I fitted it into a tiny waterproof pouch, about seven inches long and four in diameter (I use and love these Gossamer Gear ones: https://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.c...ybags-c29/stuffsacks-c176/air-zippditty-p9075). My backpack itself as a rest might work but again, I don’t put much in it to fill it up. Thanks for the ideas though!
 

J Willhaus

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2016
You may have to think for future Caminos about not booking so far ahead so that if this happens you can adjust your schedule. I personally love pillows and always request extras, but don't have to have them for my health. There are some inflatable chairs I can see online that might work, but probably won't help you with this Camino. I have had the thermarest treking chair when camping. It's nice because it does have a back rest, but it won't prop up your legs. Sounds like shipping the pillows ahead and the ditching them before you return home might be the best idea to finish out this Camino.
 
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You may have to think for future Caminos about not booking so far ahead so that if this happens you can adjust your schedule. I personally love pillows and always request extras, but don't have to have them for my health. There are some inflatable chairs I can see online that might work, but probably won't help you with this Camino. I have had the thermarest treking chair when camping. It's nice because it does have a back rest, but it won't prop up your legs. Sounds like shipping the pillows ahead and the ditching them before you return home might be the best idea to finish out this Camino.
(I wondered if she cinched those trekking chair straps tighter/closer, so it was more of a "V" shape than an "L," and then maybe tucked her pack underneath, perhaps that would provide the padded knee-propping effect?)
 
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J Willhaus

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The other thing you can do is either carry a card in Spanish which explains what happens without the extra pillows with your condition and/or be prepared to share that over the phone with whoever you make the reservation with. We can't stay at some places because of my husband's need for electricity for his CPAP. At one location this trip he had made a reservation, but they had no way to get a cord to him. They helped him find another bed in town. It is possible they could help you with some extra blankets or cushions from the sofa if they fully understood your needs.
 

natefaith

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Hi @Lhollo in hearing stories from other pilgrims, and observing that in this day and age you just can't count on anything, I'd recommend keeping as much control over your pillows as possible. :) It's going to be too hard to count on hotels/lodgings consistently having what you need (even if they promise beforehand) and for your own peace of mind if you can either bring pillows to Spain and ship them every day, or buy them here and ship them every day, that way you can control almost all the factors and have what you need every night. You wouldn't be at the mercy of constantly changing circumstances, and one person in a hotel promising something now that someone else on duty the night you arrive in a few months can't fulfill. I do know that in this Covid era there are extra requirements for cleaning everything, and some places may be too overwhelmed to give you more than the one pillow.

You wrote above, "Does it play tricks with your sense of independence?"

If I could offer another perspective...since you know you need 5 pillows a night, I think the best way to maintain independence is to ensure that what you need definitely happens on the Camino, most likely by transporting the pillows with you.

My two cents! Hope things work out, and Buen Camino!
 
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Vacajoe

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2019
Can your backpack substitute for several of those under-leg pillows? If it’s simply height you need, a pillow on the pack may work
 

Lhollo

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CF pt2, Belorado to Sarria, May 21 – June 12, 2022
The other thing you can do is either carry a card in Spanish which explains what happens without the extra pillows with your condition and/or be prepared to share that over the phone with whoever you make the reservation with. We can't stay at some places because of my husband's need for electricity for his CPAP. At one location this trip he had made a reservation, but they had no way to get a cord to him. They helped him find another bed in town. It is possible they could help you with some extra blankets or cushions from the sofa if they fully understood your needs.
I speak intermediate Spanish so can explain the medical situation and I do so in Spanish when making bookings. I suspect the problem when I arrive is that I don’t look remotely disabled, in fact I tend to bounce around and jog about—I actually find moving quickly easier than moving slowly much of the time—which probably means I don’t look as though sleeping will be a problem. It’s when my muscles relax in a bad position that I lose control over the joints, though. I have a dislocating jaw, shoulder and knees.

You’re right that I should probably explain the situation more thoroughly. Emails about this are tricky because it’s as easy to write too much explanation as it is to write too little—there’s a balance to be struck—but I do try. I can completely imagine the scenario with your husband and the need for a socket. People do, usually, go out of their way to help. I find the psychological challenge of having to wait while they do this to be difficult, probably because I don’t like the idea of putting people to trouble! It’s a lovely thing though, that people come together to help when it’s needed, and I know that they invariably do.
 

Lhollo

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Can your backpack substitute for several of those under-leg pillows? If it’s simply height you need, a pillow on the pack may work
Thanks. I only need one pillow under my knees, just to stop them locking in a straight position. The challenge is getting a wedge behind my back, so I’m at a roughly 45 degree angle but with the lumbar support and support for my neck pillow.
 
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Hi @Lhollo in hearing stories from other pilgrims, and observing that in this day and age you just can't count on anything, I'd recommend keeping as much control over your pillows as possible. :) It's going to be too hard to count on hotels/lodgings consistently having what you need (even if they promise beforehand) and for your own peace of mind if you can either bring pillows to Spain and ship them every day, or buy them here and ship them every day, that way you can control almost all the factors and have what you need every night. You wouldn't be at the mercy of constantly changing circumstances, and one person in a hotel promising something now that someone else on duty the night you arrive in a few months can't fulfill. I do know that in this Covid era there are extra requirements for cleaning everything, and some places may be too overwhelmed to give you more than the one pillow.

You wrote above, "Does it play tricks with your sense of independence?"

If I could offer another perspective...since you know you need 5 pillows a night, I think the best way to maintain independence is to ensure that what you need definitely happens on the Camino, most likely by transporting the pillows with you.

My two cents! Hope things work out, and Buen Camino!
Thank you for this kind response. It’s funny, my reaction leaps to the Inca trail, something I hope one day to do but need first to figure out how I’d sleep in a tent. I used to love wild camping. Getting back into a small tent would be amazing. And if I can’t sleep on the Camino, I can’t even consider tents, nor other trails to places that I’ve always wanted to see.

Because of this, I’m considering imaginative solutions that would enable me to sleep anywhere, with limited things around me. I don’t know how this shift might be possible but lugging five pillows around seems to me a luxury; one for which I’m grateful, wherever I’m able to acquire it, but to which I also feel tethered. I’m also aware that many people with disabilities don’t have the freedom to even contemplate detachment from their medical equipment. Maybe I don’t either. So… maybe you’re right and I have to accept that taking pillows everywhere is just something I need to do and take control of, but I don’t feel I’ve exhausted all routes yet, and some of the ideas in this thread have got me thinking about this. My thoughts turn from large pillows and mattress seats to whether carbon fibre engineers might be able to whip up a collapsible, wedge-shaped scaffold for me if I draw a nice diagram 😃. I am only half joking. A simple foam wedge has also occurred to me, if I could get very light but also firm foam. This is to say… I know you’re speaking sense, and I appreciate it. I may well eventually accept that nothing else is feasible.
 
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natefaith

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So… maybe you’re right and I have to accept that taking pillows everywhere is just something I need to do and take control of, but I don’t feel I’ve exhausted all routes yet, and some of the ideas in this thread has got me thinking about this. My thoughts turn from large pillows and mattress seats to whether carbon fibre engineers might be able to whip up a collapsible, wedge-shaped scaffold for me if I draw a nice diagram 😃. I am only half joking. A simple foam wedge has also occurred to me, if I could get very light but also firm foam. This is to say… I know you’re speaking sense, and I appreciate it. I may well eventually accept that nothing else is feasible.

I totally hear you. Something creative and custom-made for you could be just the thing! Something light, transportable, and not dependent on finding five pillows everywhere you go...that solution actually makes me feel so happy for you! :)

One thing I've had to accept, from having lived in Spain for 10+ years, is that no matter how hard I try to make things happen sometimes, things many times do NOT turn out as planned. Events often depend on what's happening at the very moment (for example, being promised one car and showing up to find that that one's no longer available and you have to deal with another that doesn't suit you). And now with Covid added to the mix...you really can't count on anything these days, even if the plan was all good beforehand.

So (if you don't mind all my unsolicited advice!), for you, the more you can control having what you need (whether it's pillows or some other newfangled approach) I would say go for it!! I'd just avoid depending on hotels every night to provide what I needed...that would cause me a lot of stress here, for various reasons.
 

J Willhaus

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I did chat with Phil who is hospitalero in Caldazilla de los Hermanillos right now. He said albergues that have pillows will have lots of extras right now due to the reduced capacity limits. If you feel you need a private room you might try albergues with private rooms with that in mind. He said he has many extra pillows as his capacity is limited to only eight. His rooms are 2 person rooms. Yesterday he had 4 pilgrims and today so far none.
 
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I did chat with Phil who is hospitalero in Caldazilla de los Hermanillos right now. He said albergues that have pillows will have lots of extras right now due to the reduced capacity limits. If you feel you need a private room you might try albergues with private rooms with that in mind. He said he has many extra pillows as his capacity is limited to only eight. His rooms are 2 person rooms. Yesterday he had 4 pilgrims and today so far none.
Thank you! That’s extremely helpful, and interesting!
 

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I’m considering this. It’s just… I sort of want to find a way to be free of the baggage. And I’ll need to carry them to Madrid on the train, then through the airport, and use the hold on the plane which I wasn’t going to do. It was so freeing during the last three week Camino we did, to just have a backpack and no worries about other stuff. But I was quietly and invisibly dependent on places having pillows.
Sounds like the solution is either inflatable pillows, or daily shipping of them which is simple enough via pack services. You might be able to arrange for them to be shipped to the first hotel of your itinerary to avoid carrying though airport, donate at your last place.
 

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Hello fellow pilgrims!

As you may have seen in my planning post about Belorado to Sarria, I’ve been merrily working away, booking rooms for that section.

Everything is unravelling now that some of the places I’ve reserved have said they have no extra pillows.

I’m having a bit of a wobble over this. I struggle with my need for extra pillows vs my ability to do many things quife athletically. But without the pillows, I get dislocations (health problem). This is why I prebook rooms: bunk beds, sleeping in a sitting position, and stacks of pillows don’t work well. But I want to be a ‘proper’ pilgrim 🙄. I mostly accept this stuff really.

I’m surprised the ‘little rural’ hotels (quoting from emails) don’t have spare pillows particularly during Covid… but also not surprised because I’ve seen how it works in practice. Anyway…

I just wondered what might be the response here. I’m considering shipping pillows… and paying for hold luggage… and carrying them on the train to Madrid at the end… I really don’t want to do this.

If one remote place with scarce private rooms sends a ‘no pillows’ email (eg, Hontanas and Tardajos) the whole itinerary for the surrounding days collapses.

Has anyone else had health related logistical problems? Does it play tricks with your sense of independence?
Inflatable pillows???
 

Lhollo

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Inflatable pillows???
Yup, I’m considering one or two of those, particularly the chair-shaped ones. My main concerns with them are they’re not the lightest, and that if the seams blow, or they get a puncture, I’ll have a problem. But definitely a good idea, thanks
 
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Yup, I’m considering one or two of those, particularly the chair-shaped ones. My main concerns with them are they’re not the lightest, and that if the seams blow, or they get a puncture, I’ll have a problem. But definitely a good idea, thanks

As long as the material isn't the variety used in cheap, blow up swimming pool toys, Tenacious Tape or Tear Aid tape (or a variation) will solve that issue of repairability. Many outdoor/backpacking stores will also carry repair kits, and local hardware stores (ferretería) might also carry something.
 

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Could something like this set-up (lightweight inflatable mattress & lightweight frame) get you part-way to a solution?
The answer is a resounding YES.
I own one of these, and l always use it on my camping trips here. It is ideal for sitting up in a small tent. I have just experimented, prompted by @C Statz post, and I am positive that it will solve your problem . IMG_2771.jpeg
Although you see me leaning against the bed head, in fact I am barely in contact. I adapted the set up by stuffing a small towel into the mattress fold under my head which gave me perfect head support using only my small inflatable pillow.
As I understand it, this is specifically designed to be used with the Thermorest mattress, which is quite compact when folded, and is excellent quality.
 
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The answer is a resounding YES.
I own one of these, and l always use it on my camping trips here. It is ideal for sitting up in a small tent. I have just experimented, prompted by @C Statz post, and I am positive that it will solve your problem . View attachment 110040
Although you see me leaning against the bed head, in fact I am barely in contact. I adapted the set up by stuffing a small towel into the mattress fold under my head which gave me perfect head support using only my small inflatable pillow.
As I understand it, this is specifically designed to be used with the Thermorest mattress, which is quite compact when folded, and is excellent quality.
Thank you so much for doing this! You’ve answered many of my uncertainties about this Thermarest system, and the photos are exactly what I looked for but couldn’t clearly find on Google. It’s extremely kind of you!

Edit… just to add that after seeing your photos, I’m going to buy this: just the chair part at first to see if my old but quite small Thermarest self inflating mat will work in it.
 

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The answer is a resounding YES.
I own one of these, and l always use it on my camping trips here. It is ideal for sitting up in a small tent. I have just experimented, prompted by @C Statz post, and I am positive that it will solve your problem . View attachment 110040
Although you see me leaning against the bed head, in fact I am barely in contact. I adapted the set up by stuffing a small towel into the mattress fold under my head which gave me perfect head support using only my small inflatable pillow.
As I understand it, this is specifically designed to be used with the Thermorest mattress, which is quite compact when folded, and is excellent quality.
Bought! 😃

Thank you again for this, @Peregrinopaul, and also to everyone who’s put time and thought into the ideas in this thread. I’ll let you know how I get on with the Thermarest Chair Kit!
 

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I’ll let you know how I get on with the Thermarest Chair Kit!
You can experiment endlessly with the few variables. Notice in the picture that I have the straps adjusted to give an angle somewhat tighter than a right angle, which seems counter intuitive until you get into it. Also you'll find that firm inflation of the mattress will give appropriate rigidity to the back support, because you will need much more of the mattress to project out to support the pillow.
I hope this is a success for you. I swear by it.
 

Lhollo

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CF pt2, Belorado to Sarria, May 21 – June 12, 2022
An update! My Thermarest chair kit arrived a little over a week ago. I tried it with my old Thermarest sleeping mat which seemed to work very well, but I felt it was too heavy for me to carry on the Camino. It came to just over 1kg/2.2lbs (To put this into perspective, I’m 5ft tall and weigh… well let’s just say that the ‘rule’ about carrying no more than 10% of my body weight would leave me with less than 5kg/11lbs to play about with). So, I have treated myself to a superduper Thermarest Xlite sleeping mat (the yellow one), which weighs incredibly little. Not only that…

… it is amazingly comfortable for me, possibly even more so than my usual pillow system! I say this without having slept on it yet, but I’ve tried it out several times whilst awake and it’s perfect because it tilts back at an angle that’s adjustable and ideal, doesn’t leave a large gap behind my lumbar area, and doesn’t push against my shoulders.

I’ll update this if and when I use it to travel. I’d like to think this has now opened doors to me onto things like the Inca Trail, tents in remote places, etc. And of course, being independent on the Camino! I now feel that, no matter what, I’ll be able to sleep each night. Having certainty about that is very freeing for me.

Thank you again, so much, for your input here. And again in particular to @Peregrinopaul and @C Statz
 

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Frances 2015;
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Le Puy 2018;
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I should have made this clearer. I have to sleep sitting upright with my knees also propped up, which usually involves five pillows.
@Lhollo, I wonder how your new Thermarest chair will work for you as you had indicated your legs needed to be bent at the knees.
 

Lhollo

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CF pt2, Belorado to Sarria, May 21 – June 12, 2022
@Lhollo, I wonder how your new Thermarest chair will work for you as you had indicated your legs needed to be bent at the knees.
I can bend the bottom part back on itself and it’s then perfect! The weight of my legs keeps it in place. I may also improvise for this part though—pillows from rooms, backpack, dry sacks of clothes, rolled-up towel, etc—because I don’t need to raise my lower legs much.
 

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