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Kev&Kath

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Thomas...no I haven't, but considering it closely. Busy with research at present. If I might recommend a YouTube video on the Via.....have a look at a gentleman called Nalutia. HIs video 'Silent Struggle - Via de la Plata & Camino Sanabres' is particularly interesting, and gives a fantastic perspective of the Via. Good luck with your research!
 
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I started my attempt in May. The one issue I would remark on is that if it late in November then there is a probability of snow on the higher sections of the Camino in Galicia.
 
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I have planned for Spring, but most likely will start late Aug or the start of Sept.
 

murraydv

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I have done the VdLP in April / May. The one advantage of October / November is the you should avoid intense heat. July / August could be almost impossible on that particular Camino.
Somebody has already mentioned the possibility of snow in November and I couldn't comment further. I did a section on the Levante in October 2019 and it was lovely weather, cold mornings but fine.

My only concern about doing the Camino at any time in 2021 would be the status of Covid and any restrictions that might prevail both in Spain and on return to your home country. The vaccine program is underway, but it is slow and particularly slow in Spain I understand.

I myself had planned on April 21, but I pushed that back to October 21, and now I am resigned to 2022. I really don't expect to be able to do it safely and with any degree of certainty about travel and facilities during 2021.You might also want to do some research on which albergies will be open in 2021.

Very Good planning website at: https://www.pilgrim.es/en/the-silver-route/

It's a great Camino, no matter when you get to go. Enjoy.

Buen Camino
Dave
 

LTfit

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Lovely time to walk the Plata and Sanabrés! I've walked the Plata twice and the Sanabrés three times during various seasons but my walk from Salamanca to Santiago through Ourense in the fall arriving in Santiago November 3rd was most enjoyable. Apples and chestnuts were handed to me by many townspeople, often too much to carry. I was quite lucky with the weather, it only started to rain the day after I arrived but continued for days after that.
 

lt56ny

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I too am planning for a mid October start. Can’t wait but who knows about the virus. I have met people who started in mid September and the heat was brutal. You can’t predict weather year to year for sure. But I would take walking in 30F/-2C any day over 95F/35C or even a lot higher any day. I will definitely watch that video
But after all is said and done at the end of the day in today’s world we just have to hope for the best, dream and wait.
But it sure would be great to meet some of your people out there in October.
 

lt56ny

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I have done the VdLP in April / May. The one advantage of October / November is the you should avoid intense heat. July / August could be almost impossible on that particular Camino.
Somebody has already mentioned the possibility of snow in November and I couldn't comment further. I did a section on the Levante in October 2019 and it was lovely weather, cold mornings but fine.

My only concern about doing the Camino at any time in 2021 would be the status of Covid and any restrictions that might prevail both in Spain and on return to your home country. The vaccine program is underway, but it is slow and particularly slow in Spain I understand.

I myself had planned on April 21, but I pushed that back to October 21, and now I am resigned to 2022. I really don't expect to be able to do it safely and with any degree of certainty about travel and facilities during 2021.You might also want to do some research on which albergies will be open in 2021.

Very Good planning website at: https://www.pilgrim.es/en/the-silver-route/

It's a great Camino, no matter when you get to go. Enjoy.

Buen Camino
Dave
Thanks Dave there are a few of these websites out there. Once we can walk again who knows what damage the pandemic has caused albergues. I am sad just thinking about how badly people have been hurt economically, let alone physically and emotionally.
Having a few resources to find as many options as possible to lay your head at night is really important especially on a Camino with less infrastructure.
 
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Plataman

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Anybody ever walk Via de la Plato in Oct Nov time frame?
Yes, in 2018 started out from Seville mid Sept, arrived Santiago end of October. Weather was generally good, got cooler and a some wet days as we got into Galicia. I have also done the VDLP in the spring ( April/May 2016) and would choose the fall over the spring if I did it again. Spring had muddy tracks, flooded waterways, and a lot of very wet days. There was also no apples to pick along the route, no grapes to sample, no figs, no plums.....
 

Dodger

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2022
I have done the VdLP in April / May. The one advantage of October / November is the you should avoid intense heat. July / August could be almost impossible on that particular Camino.
Somebody has already mentioned the possibility of snow in November and I couldn't comment further. I did a section on the Levante in October 2019 and it was lovely weather, cold mornings but fine.

My only concern about doing the Camino at any time in 2021 would be the status of Covid and any restrictions that might prevail both in Spain and on return to your home country. The vaccine program is underway, but it is slow and particularly slow in Spain I understand.

I myself had planned on April 21, but I pushed that back to October 21, and now I am resigned to 2022. I really don't expect to be able to do it safely and with any degree of certainty about travel and facilities during 2021.You might also want to do some research on which albergies will be open in 2021.

Very Good planning website at: https://www.pilgrim.es/en/the-silver-route/

It's a great Camino, no matter when you get to go. Enjoy.

Buen Camino
Dave
Dave, I am from Australia, used to walking in 30+, not that I like it much. My preference is for April/May 2021, but does not look like it will happen. Next best option is Sept 2021start for me, I will attempt to start as late as possible. I received Gerald Kellys guide to the route today and have a rough plan which I will modify now. One can only plan and hope, if not I can always go next year.
 

Dodger

Lone Walker, Camino Frances 2018 VdlP 2021/22
Year of past OR future Camino
2022
Thanks Dave there are a few of these websites out there. Once we can walk again who knows what damage the pandemic has caused albergues. I am sad just thinking about how badly people have been hurt economically, let alone physically and emotionally.
Having a few resources to find as many options as possible to lay your head at night is really important especially on a Camino with less infrastructure.
Ivar spoke with a pilgrim who completed the VDLP about a month ago he walked during the pandemic, may be of interest.
 

Thomas Yingst

Tom ... “the kid”
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Portugal. May 2019
Thomas...no I haven't, but considering it closely. Busy with research at present. If I might recommend a YouTube video on the Via.....have a look at a gentleman called Nalutia. HIs video 'Silent Struggle - Via de la Plata & Camino Sanabres' is particularly interesting, and gives a fantastic perspective of the Via. Good luck with your research!
I just finished watching this video ... I loved it ... thanks for letting me know about it.
 
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geraldkelly

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I walked from Salamanca starting in late September 2019. We had nice weather at first but getting close to Galicia it deteriorated. We had about 5 days of heavy, persistent rain, the rest of the time it was grey and cold with showers. Some snow at higher altitudes (above 1000m).

Also, in November the days will be getting very short.

Starting in Seville you'll need to pack for everything from 30 degrees C down to freezing.

There's no reason not to walk at that time of year but you will really need to be prepared for every kind of weather possible.

Gerald
 

Via2010

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06/07 & 12 Camino Francés, 08-10 Via de la Plata, 13/14 & 17 Camino Portugués, 18 Camino Primitivo
I had a look at this planning-tool and from my experience on the VdP I can not recommend it.
Worst is stage 7 on the Sanabrés section (titeled: "Grandas de Salime to A Fonsagrada"). The length - roughly 35 km - is ok, but it is A Gudina to Laza (the other towns are on the Camino Primitivo). Also, in my memories, the descriptions do not really reflect the difficulties of the stages. E. g. Granja de Moreruela to Tabara is not easy, but certainly not the most difficult stage. I would say average, whereas Zamora to Granja ist fairly easy and Puebla de Sanabría to Lubián is one of the longest and most difficult stages and so is A Gudina to Laza.

Good planning-tools are the following:
RutasASantiago (here you have also to switch to the Sanabrés if you want to continue via Ourense) and Godesalco

Both allow you to vary the daily distances depending on accomodation available and on your needs.

I walked various sections of the VdP, some in May/June, some in September/October. The later in the year the colder it will be round Salamanca and in the mountains entering Galicia. Even in May they were covered with snow and the paths were very wet an slippery. Temperatures may fall below zero and many albergues do not have adequate heating. Another problem are the short days. Some days you will have to walk 30 km plus which means you have to hurry if you do not want to walk until it is dark.

If I were free to choose, I would start from Seville in early May and aim to reach Santiago by the end of June.

BC
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lt56ny

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Link to the video if needed. Surprisingly high production values for one taken on a Samsung Galaxy S4 phone.

It is a good video. It is long but it gives you a good taste. It was the first VDLP video I watched when I first thought of walking this route
 
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Dave, I am from Australia, used to walking in 30+, not that I like it much. My preference is for April/May 2021, but does not look like it will happen. Next best option is Sept 2021start for me, I will attempt to start as late as possible. I received Gerald Kellys guide to the route today and have a rough plan which I will modify now. One can only plan and hope, if not I can always go next year.
That's a long trip Dodger from Australia. Have they allowed international travel yet to / from Australia. I was speaking to somebody in Spain today who told me that resturants are open in the morning for a couple of hours and the same in the afternoon, largely closed by 3.00pm in many places. I am sure that will improve later in the year. I hope that your dream happens but it absolutely will at some point. The VdLP is an amazing Camino.
 

Albertagirl

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I walked the VdlP in Oct.-Nov., 2017, leaving Seville on Oct. 3 and arriving in Santiago on Nov. 21, with only one day off. For the first half of the walk, the temperatures were in the mid-30's, from Seville the 500 kms to Salamanca. After that, it was comfortable for me, with only one morning of frosty weather leaving Albergue Rehoboth on the Sanabres, after Villar de Farfon. There was no snow, but the days were getting shorter as I approached Santiago. I would not, personally, consider walking the VdlP earlier than October. I had only one day's walk longer than 30 kms, from Casar de Caceres to Canaveral (32 km), because the albergue at the Embalse was, as usual, closed when I walked through. My most difficult day was the 28 km from Fuenterroble to San Pedro de Rozados: long, hot, with a bit of route finding and a fair bit of road walking. By the time that I was a couple of kms away from San Pedro and hiding in a ditch from the heat, I would happily have joined a couple of monstrous pigs which I saw running across the field and leaping into a pond. This was a day short of Salamanca, where the temperature finally fell.
The few longer days on the VdlP can mostly be shortened, if you care to do so, by taking the occasional taxi. I did not care to do so, and I don't know whether I could have found a taxi to take me from the Embalse to Canaveral, not having chosen to book one in advance. I was 69 at the time and not in great shape, but a stubborn and experienced walker.
 

RNC

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We walked the VDLP (Seville to Santiago) via the Sanabres in October/November 2019. It was absolutely scorching for the first ten days or so.

While weather varies from year to year, be aware that October can still be dangerously hot - 35 degrees by 10.30am. Pilgrims have to manage the challenges of long distances between any food/water/shelter and limited facilities in many sections. In particular, watch out for the 28km section on the third day from Castillblanco del Arroy to Almaden De a Plata, with no facilities at all.

There were definitely not regular or always reliable water points. With temperatures reaching up to forty degrees, no shade and stretches of more than 20 kilometres between towns, we carried up to four litres of water each, rationed it carefully and still almost ran out on occasion. There are long distances between villages, bars were frequently closed and fountains often not working. One pilgrim told us he had had to go off the path to a farmhouse because he was desperate for water. You also need to carry enough food to cover a couple of meals because there’s no guarantee of villages or open shops each day.

Plan each day carefully, consider the temperature, the distance and have a spare bladder or platypus available to carry extra water as required, plus food.

Also, make sure you are prepared for cold and wet weather as you progress. We met rain and sleet. We walked with a Lithuanian man who’d started the previous November and had to abandon his Camino because he found himself having to swim across freezing waterways and was unable to get dry and warm. (The most generous way to describe the albergue heating we found in November would be “variable”.)

All that aside, it’s a wonderful, uncrowded path with incredible historic towns such as Merida, Salamanca and Ourense.
 

Kev&Kath

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I walked the VdlP in Oct.-Nov., 2017, leaving Seville on Oct. 3 and arriving in Santiago on Nov. 21, with only one day off. For the first half of the walk, the temperatures were in the mid-30's, from Seville the 500 kms to Salamanca. After that, it was comfortable for me, with only one morning of frosty weather leaving Albergue Rehoboth on the Sanabres, after Villar de Farfon. There was no snow, but the days were getting shorter as I approached Santiago. I would not, personally, consider walking the VdlP earlier than October. I had only one day's walk longer than 30 kms, from Casar de Caceres to Canaveral (32 km), because the albergue at the Embalse was, as usual, closed when I walked through. My most difficult day was the 28 km from Fuenterroble to San Pedro de Rozados: long, hot, with a bit of route finding and a fair bit of road walking. By the time that I was a couple of kms away from San Pedro and hiding in a ditch from the heat, I would happily have joined a couple of monstrous pigs which I saw running across the field and leaping into a pond. This was a day short of Salamanca, where the temperature finally fell.
The few longer days on the VdlP can mostly be shortened, if you care to do so, by taking the occasional taxi. I did not care to do so, and I don't know whether I could have found a taxi to take me from the Embalse to Canaveral, not having chosen to book one in advance. I was 69 at the time and not in great shape, but a stubborn and experienced walker.
I kinda like stubborn walkers!! Thanks for your insights..sounds like an amazing walk.
 

Thomas Yingst

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I walked the VdlP in Oct.-Nov., 2017, leaving Seville on Oct. 3 and arriving in Santiago on Nov. 21, with only one day off. For the first half of the walk, the temperatures were in the mid-30's, from Seville the 500 kms to Salamanca. After that, it was comfortable for me, with only one morning of frosty weather leaving Albergue Rehoboth on the Sanabres, after Villar de Farfon. There was no snow, but the days were getting shorter as I approached Santiago. I would not, personally, consider walking the VdlP earlier than October. I had only one day's walk longer than 30 kms, from Casar de Caceres to Canaveral (32 km), because the albergue at the Embalse was, as usual, closed when I walked through. My most difficult day was the 28 km from Fuenterroble to San Pedro de Rozados: long, hot, with a bit of route finding and a fair bit of road walking. By the time that I was a couple of kms away from San Pedro and hiding in a ditch from the heat, I would happily have joined a couple of monstrous pigs which I saw running across the field and leaping into a pond. This was a day short of Salamanca, where the temperature finally fell.
The few longer days on the VdlP can mostly be shortened, if you care to do so, by taking the occasional taxi. I did not care to do so, and I don't know whether I could have found a taxi to take me from the Embalse to Canaveral, not having chosen to book one in advance. I was 69 at the time and not in great shape, but a stubborn and experienced walker.
Stubborn = tenacity
 
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Albertagirl

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Very true. Tom...it also equals commitment. To complete a 1000km....indeed....a whole lot of commitment on your part.
That is why I got a Distance Certificate after walking this route. I may get another if I can walk the Levante this fall.
 

Dodger

Lone Walker, Camino Frances 2018 VdlP 2021/22
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2022
That's a long trip Dodger from Australia. Have they allowed international travel yet to / from Australia. I was speaking to somebody in Spain today who told me that resturants are open in the morning for a couple of hours and the same in the afternoon, largely closed by 3.00pm in many places. I am sure that will improve later in the year. I hope that your dream happens but it absolutely will at some point. The VdLP is an amazing Camino.
Yep a long way, I walked the CF in 2018, need a rest day prior to starting. We are not allowed to leave Australia yet. I had planned for a spring walk, however now looking at the fall. travel will all depend on how the CoviD19 vax goes and international travel. Check out a video by Ivar he interviewed a pilgrim who recently finished the VDLP in early Dec last year I think.
 
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Anybody ever walk Via de la Plato in Oct Nov time frame?
Yes, I walked it in September-October 2011. The weather was great the whole time, although pretty hot at the beginning. I left Seville on September 12 and the temperature that day was 39 C. The next day it was 40. Arrived at Santiago around October 24. Met some great people along the way and never had a problem finding accommodation. But...alas...that has probably changed.
 

lt56ny

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Yes, I walked it in September-October 2011. The weather was great the whole time, although pretty hot at the beginning. I left Seville on September 12 and the temperature that day was 39 C. The next day it was 40. Arrived at Santiago around October 24. Met some great people along the way and never had a problem finding accommodation. But...alas...that has probably changed.
I am glad you said the weather and the temperature. As in so many things in life and discussing the Camino all opinions are subjective. You wrote the weather was great the whole time. 39 and 40° for me is a nightmare. I probably would’ve left at five in the morning at the latest. Temperatures like that for me would be dangerous and thoroughly unenjoyable. But for others like yourself it’s not a problem. It’s all subjective. Thanks for including that information because it truly does make for a clearer picture for someone to decide especially when to walk because of conditions.
 
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JamesGeier

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Thomas...no I haven't, but considering it closely. Busy with research at present. If I might recommend a YouTube video on the Via.....have a look at a gentleman called Nalutia. HIs video 'Silent Struggle - Via de la Plata & Camino Sanabres' is particularly interesting, and gives a fantastic perspective of the Via. Good luck with your research!
This is one really well-made documentary. I loved it. It is slow, but seems to be deliberately so, and captures the more realistic pace of a walking pilgrimage. This video pushed the Via de la Plata to the top of my list for my next Camino walk.
Buen Camino!
--james--
 

Kev&Kath

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2021
This is one really well-made documentary. I loved it. It is slow, but seems to be deliberately so, and captures the more realistic pace of a walking pilgrimage. This video pushed the Via de la Plata to the top of my list for my next Camino walk.
Buen Camino!
--james--
James...glad you liked it. I think I’m on my third or fourth viewing. I think Chris (Nalutia) did a fantastic job of filming, but having watched it now a number of times...I’m even more drawn to his thoughtful dialogue/perspective of his pilgrimage. A definite favorite of mine.
 

murraydv

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I hope to make Levante my next camino after my VDLP this fall. If I can walk hopefully!!!!
I started the Levante in 2019 and was due to resume on Spring 2020. Looking forward to getting back. A very quiet Camino. I covered 300 klm without meeting another Pilgrim.
 

lt56ny

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I have a feeling just based on observations from posts here and a few other places that if interested in Camino grows again after we have brought this pandemic under control that some of the less traveled caminos may begin to see a little rise in popularity. As the CF and CP and even the Norte get more pilgrims and repeat pilgrims gain more confidence in pilgrimage and seek more solitary routes they will look to the south of Spain and maybe France or Italy for their caminos. Having walked a late fall Camino on the Norte and even on the CF camino experiences become quite different. Walking like you did (and I to a lesser extent especially on the second part of the CN, presents a completely different set of challenges and experiences. I look forward to a solitary VDLP in late October, November and December.
I think there may be a small and growing cadre of fellow pilgrims who may be seeking a more tranquil Camino experience.
 
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I can tell you that the two times that I’ve been on the CF, it has been busy. However, by walking early spring on other routes, we’ve been able to avoid the larger numbers of pilgrims. My wife and I did both the Portugúes (from Porto) and the Inglés in the mid-March, early-April timeframes. Both Caminos were relatively quite. Sometimes, we were the only pilgrims in the albergues. So, although the Portúgues can be crowded, we only saw a handful of pilgrims by walking it in March and the weather turned out to be spectacular. My April bike trek on the VDLP was similar. Very few pilgrims were walking this route when I traveled it making it quite peaceful especially on some very lovely country paths. I’m optimistic that if we can get into Spain this fall, choosing the Primitivo will again give us more of that tranquil experience that we greatly value.
 
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Thomas...no I haven't, but considering it closely. Busy with research at present. If I might recommend a YouTube video on the Via.....have a look at a gentleman called Nalutia. HIs video 'Silent Struggle - Via de la Plata & Camino Sanabres' is particularly interesting, and gives a fantastic perspective of the Via. Good luck with your research!

I just watched his video. Really good!
 
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James...glad you liked it. I think I’m on my third or fourth viewing. I think Chris (Nalutia) did a fantastic job of filming, but having watched it now a number of times...I’m even more drawn to his thoughtful dialogue/perspective of his pilgrimage. A definite favorite of mine.

Have you watched his one on the Norte?
Again a great video.
Though it put me off the Norte.
85% road walking according to him.
 

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I'd like to watch the Via one, but for some reason it won't download and play.
 

lt56ny

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Have you watched his one on the Norte?
Again a great video.
Though it put me off the Norte.
85% road walking according to him.
There is another good video about the Norte that I think is really beautifully done. It is set to music.


I have done the Norte. There is alot of road walking but no where near 85% in my opinion. There are numerous vairants you can take especially along the coast to avoid roads. It is absolutely beautiful. It is much more difficult, in my opinion than the CF. It is similar in difficulty to the Le Puy camino. It gets easier as you go of course. I walked the whole of the Norte. Most people when I walked split and took the Primitivo. When I met them in Santiago they all said it was harder than the Norte but in many respects as or more beautiful. Of course a different landscape. I am sure younger people would say that the Norte is not difficult at all. I walked it at 64.The first couple of weeks almost every day it is up a long hill and every afternoon down. With lots of ups and downs in between. Many of the villages that you sleep in are on the ocean and really lovely. Alot of the walking is up on cliffs and plateaus. I walked in October and November. It was pretty mellow. Not alot of pilgrims especially after Santander. At that time of year, at least when I walked a good percentage of pilgrims walked only a week or two. After the split in Villaviciosa there were really very few pilgrims until the last 100K. There were many days I saw no more than a few pilgrims and sometimes none. At night I think the most people I met in an albergue was 4 or 5 and some nights I was alone.
Looking forward to doing the VDLP this year (I know we have exchanged messages about this). I am making plans for an October start. Have had my Pfizer vaccine and my fingers are crossed.

 
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There is another good video about the Norte that I think is really beautifully done. It is set to music.


I have done the Norte. There is alot of road walking but no where near 85% in my opinion. There are numerous vairants you can take especially along the coast to avoid roads. It is absolutely beautiful. It is much more difficult, in my opinion than the CF. It is similar in difficulty to the Le Puy camino. It gets easier as you go of course. I walked the whole of the Norte. Most people when I walked split and took the Primitivo. When I met them in Santiago they all said it was harder than the Norte but in many respects as or more beautiful. Of course a different landscape. I am sure younger people would say that the Norte is not difficult at all. I walked it at 64.The first couple of weeks almost every day it is up a long hill and every afternoon down. With lots of ups and downs in between. Many of the villages that you sleep in are on the ocean and really lovely. Alot of the walking is up on cliffs and plateaus. I walked in October and November. It was pretty mellow. Not alot of pilgrims especially after Santander. At that time of year, at least when I walked a good percentage of pilgrims walked only a week or two. After the split in Villaviciosa there were really very few pilgrims until the last 100K. There were many days I saw no more than a few pilgrims and sometimes none. At night I think the most people I met in an albergue was 4 or 5 and some nights I was alone.
Looking forward to doing the VDLP this year (I know we have exchanged messages about this). I am making plans for an October start. Have had my Pfizer vaccine and my fingers are crossed.

I plan on starting VDLP on 15 Sep. Finish on 2 Nov. Taking the Sansbres route. Concerned about the one 40 km day ... that will be a challenge.
 

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I plan on starting VDLP on 15 Sep. Finish on 2 Nov. Taking the Sansbres route. Concerned about the one 40 km day ... that will be a challenge.
Hi, Thomas,
There are several good ways to avoid that distance if it is too long for you.

Here is a very recent thread that is essentially a deep dive planning thread on the Vdlp. I think that if you click on the blue highlighted words above, it will take you to the approximate spot in the thread where the “problem stage” is addressed. The entire thread is really a gold mine (for planners, that is) with lots of information on stages, accommodation, what to see, etc. It starts in Sevilla and carries on through the Sanabrés to Santiago. (I see that you seem to have changed your mind about walking to Astorga, which you asked about on another thread).

If that thread doesn’t clear things up, let me know and threre are lots of us who can try to help straighten things out.
 

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@Thomas Yingst
From Carcaboso, I walked to Oliva de Plasencia via the pleasant route delineated by @isabelle304, stayed at the private albergue there, then walked the next day on to Aldeanueva del Camino via a direct route through Capara. Here are @isabelle304 's calculations of the distances for the two days:

1. Carcaboso to Oliva de Plasencia: 19.5km + 5km detour: 24.5km total
2. Oliva de Plasencia to Aldeanueva del Camino: 5km detour + 18.5km = 23.5km total

This worked for me because Isabelle's directions, diagrams, and photos of the route to Oliva de Plasencia are very clear, the day's walk was pleasant, as was the return walk on the next day, I walked all but 100 metres or so of the regular marked camino route, aside from the detour to Oliva de Plasencia and I did not telephone Hostal Asturias for pickup, but continued on foot for the whole camino, which is my personal preference.
Post number 8 in this thread is very clear and has a schematic map of some of these options.
Above is @peregrina2000 's link to Isabelle's post about this alternate route, which worked for me. But if you are happy to call from the Arca de Capara for pickup by Hostal Asturias, that should work as well. I fully understand the feeling of panic that the apparent necessity of a 40 km day can arouse. Buen camino, however you go.
 
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I would also add just one little tidbit to @Albertagirl’s wonderful explanation — if you walk this way, you will reach the Arco de Cáparra on your walk from Carcaboso after 19.5 km. That gives you plenty of time to explore the site (which is much more than the arch, and contains a small museum plus many information plaques throughout the ongoing excavations of the larger city). The 4.5 km walk from the arch to Oliva takes you past bull farms — I remember it as off-road and pleasant. And you don’t have to worry about not getting a bed, because you can reserve in the albergue ahead of time. It is an albergue turístico, which is geared towards, but not exclusively for, peregrinos.

The next day, you retrace those 4.5 km and will arrive at the Arch in early morning. If you are lucky, the rising sun will turn the arch to gold.

There are (or were, pre-pandemic) two options for sleeping in Oliva de Plasencia — the albergue, where I stayed, and a more recent addition of a casa rural.
 

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I would also add just one little tidbit to @Albertagirl’s wonderful explanation — if you walk this way, you will reach the Arco de Cáparra on your walk from Carcaboso after 19.5 km. That gives you plenty of time to explore the site (which is much more than the arch, and contains a small museum plus many information plaques throughout the ongoing excavations of the larger city). The 4.5 km walk from the arch to Oliva takes you past bull farms — I remember it as off-road and pleasant. And you don’t have to worry about not getting a bed, because you can reserve in the albergue ahead of time. It is an albergue turístico, which is geared towards, but not exclusively for, peregrinos.

The next day, you retrace those 4.5 km and will arrive at the Arch in early morning. If you are lucky, the rising sun will turn the arch to gold.

There are (or were, pre-pandemic) two options for sleeping in Oliva de Plasencia — the albergue, where I stayed, and a more recent addition of a casa rural.
As I remember this route, and renewing my memories from @isabelle304 's post, I did not walk the same routes going to and from Oliva de Plasencia. Isabelle provides a photo showing a marked right turn within view of the Arca, and that is the route which I took to Oliva, returning by the direct route the next morning.
 
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I just finished watching this video ... I loved it ... thanks for letting me know about it.
Yep...I think it's an amazing recording of the VdlP. I think I'm onto my third viewing....I seem to see/learn something each time I check it out. Glad you enjoyed Thomas.
 

Kev&Kath

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Have you watched his one on the Norte?
Again a great video.
Though it put me off the Norte.
85% road walking according to him.
Yep...watched and enjoyed that one too; however, there's just something about the VdlP that is attracting me to that particular pilgrimage. I haven't really focused on the Norte as yet, but have seen a number of videos...and yeah.....definitely outstanding vistas, but a bit of ugly stuff as well. Efren Gonzalez's (efrengonzalez.com) depiction is very good (as are all of his videos). Sort of thinking the Norte might be a good walk to couple with the Portuguese at some point (?).
 

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I plan on starting VDLP on 15 Sep. Finish on 2 Nov. Taking the Sansbres route. Concerned about the one 40 km day ... that will be a challenge.
Hi Thomas.....I'd be interested in detail on the 40k day. I've drafted an initial itinerary and I'm not getting any days at that high end of the kilometer spectrum. My longest day is Aljucen to Aldea del Cano at 33.9 kilometers (and could shorten this further with a stay in Alcuescar).
 

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Hi Thomas.....I'd be interested in detail on the 40k day. I've drafted an initial itinerary and I'm not getting any days at that high end of the kilometer spectrum. My longest day is Aljucen to Aldea del Cano at 33.9 kilometers (and could shorten this further with a stay in Alcuescar).
Hi, Kev&Kath,

The stage is from Carcaboso to Aldeanueva. It´s actually not 40, total is about 38. I’ve attached a Gronze screen shot. If you read the posts immediately after Thomas’ post (that is, posts number 47, 48 and 49 in this thread), you’ll see the ways to shorten it.

You probably have scheduled a stop in Hostal Asturias or Oliva de Plasencia, which shortens the distance considerably. Buen camino, Laurie

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Another option for the Caparra area is this. You can also walk from Caracaboso to the Arco (18 km), 8 km more along the VDLP, then a side trip 2 km to Hostal Asturias - that makes a 28 km day. Then the next morning, walk 2 km back to the exact spot on the VDLP where you left off, or you can take a slight short cut onto the VDLP from the Hostal. Either way, the walk to Aldeanueva is less than 15 km.

Taking the Sansbres route. Concerned about the one 40 km day

I'd be interested in detail on the 40k day.
I have detailed planning sheets on the VDLP to Astorga (which I've walked) and the Sanabres (which I plan to do next). I see no 40 km days, except for a problem if certain albergues are closed. (For example, there might be a problem in Alija del Infantado on the Astorga section.(

If Thomas is planning to go the Sanabres route, exactly which section is the concern? All my expected stages on the Sanabres are under 25 km! Many people choose to combine 2 short stages to make 40 km, but they don't need to do that if they have time to break up the stages.
 
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Another option for the Caparra area is this. You can also walk from Caracaboso to the Arco (18 km), 8 km more along the VDLP, then a side trip 2 km to Hostal Asturias - that makes a 28 km day. Then the next morning, walk 2 km back to the exact spot on the VDLP where you left off, or you can take a slight short cut onto the VDLP from the Hostal. Either way, the walk to Aldeanueva is less than 15 km.


I have detailed planning sheets on the VDLP to Astorga (which I've walked) and the Sanabres (which I plan to do next). I see no 40 km days, except for a problem if certain albergues are closed. (For example, there might be a problem in Alija del Infantado on the Astorga section.(

If Thomas is planning to go the Sanabres route, exactly which section is the concern? All my expected stages on the Sanabres are under 25 km! Many people choose to combine 2 short stages to make 40 km, but they don't need to do that if they have time to break up the stages.
I definitely mirror your thoughts on the Sanabres (and the stages on the VdlP). I suppose my planning is based on an 'abundance of time'. I'm thinking 50 days - start to finish - is my expected schedule.
 

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I definitely mirror your thoughts on the Sanabres (and the stages on the VdlP). I suppose my planning is based on an 'abundance of time'. I'm thinking 50 days - start to finish - is my expected schedule.
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Fifty days was my exact time to finish the VdlP, and I only took one day off along the route. Some days were long between accommodations and some were short, so I calculated fifty days, most between twenty and twenty-five kms, with one day off. I arrived in Santiago on the fiftieth day, walking the Sanabres route. That worked out perfectly for me.
 

linkster

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I have given up on this year. The next best option for me is next spring. I have attached my stages below. It would put me in SdC Easter weekend. I have plenty of slack with at least a week before and after.

Day 29, Calzada de Valdunciel - Villanueva de Campeán, 34,6 km is my longest day. It is 20,7 km to El Cubo del Vino. I figure a long lunch break before knocking out the remaining 13.9 km.

Color coding: green = zero day, white < 20 km, yellow < 25 km, orange < 30 km, pink < 35 km, dark red > 35 km (ouch). Sundays and holidays = bold.
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I have given up on this year. The next best option for me is next spring. I have attached my stages below. It would put me in SdC Easter weekend. I have plenty of slack with at least a week before and after.

Day 29, Calzada de Valdunciel - Villanueva de Campeán, 34,6 km is my longest day. It is 20,7 km to El Cubo del Vino. I figure a long lunch break before knocking out the remaining 13.9 km.

Color coding: green = zero day, white < 20 km, yellow < 25 km, orange < 30 km, pink < 35 km, dark red > 35 km (ouch). Sundays and holidays = bold.
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Thanks for sending this to me. I have a question, How closely do you usually follow your planning and where to stop and where to rest? Just wondering.
Second if we were starting in Santiago we wouldn't be walking together for long:).
I am 67 and my days of 30k or more days are long behind me. In fact I am not even sure that I will try to do the stage 3 - Castiblanco/Almaden. I now try to keep my stages early on to as close to 20K as possible and gradually work my way up. I will probably do (at one time unheard of for me but now as I bow to Father Time) a taxi to the Park and then walk from there. I will for the first two weeks at least take at least one rest day a week. Then see how things go. I am going to start to walk about October 14 and I hope I can get to Muxia. My ticket home isn't until December 9. That gives me plenty of time to get there. Hope you have a great camino. I have looked forward to the Plata for a long time. Bet you have too.
 

linkster

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It is just a plan. It changes the minute you start to walk. It is painted with broad strokes. I am not that far behind you age wise.

Where to stop. I wanted a zero or nero day once a week. I picked larger cities with things to see and explore. ~It might be nice to be in Ourense on Good Friday.

I like a 20k day, It gives me time to explore without my dogs barking. I did not really want any long days. I started from the highest mileage days and tried breaking them up, 35+, then 30+, 25+, etc.

I took a taxi from San Juan de Ortega to Burgos one year, so that I could spend more time with a buddy I met. I had to walk that section next time I walked ... just me.

Here is the Excel spread sheet if any one is interested.


I used the stages from https://www.gronze.com/via-plata.

I used the list of holidays from https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/spain/2022.
 
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Good to see if we ever met up we could be on the same schedule for at least a while. Like I said before I too like to plan and then toss it when I start to walk. Obviously a little more planning is necessary because of the lack of infrastructure on the VDLP and who knows where we will be infrastructure wise when we walk. I too use Gronze as my baseline when I do my planning. It sure is fun to plan!
 

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I have attached my stages below.
I really like seeing the different spreadsheet approaches, and get great ideas from each.
How closely do you usually follow your planning and where to stop and where to rest?
I always have a lot of uncertainty about how I will feel when I start walking, and what will transpire. My spreadsheet tries to include an expected/hoped for scenario (Plan A) and a Plan B that I can easily go to.

I include information on all of the places that have accommodation along the route, so I can easily see what my options are, and what I might need to do to catch up with whatever schedule I have. I note the populations since that gives an idea of what facilities can be expected. I can quickly see the implications of any change to my stopping point. I'm attaching a screenshot of part of my VDLP spreadsheet. It shows a 16-day option to Galasteo, and a 19-day option. Usually my walks will land somewhere in the middle and I can add some rest days here and there, or an extra excursion to Finisterre. (But that latter has not yet happened!)

If you would like the Excel version, send me a private Conversation with your email address.
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I walked after Toulouse (shuttle train Pamplona to Seville) in 2008 ending 14 Nov. Probably my least favorite Camino because little open infrastructure, variable weather, and my almost total lack of Spanish. Some Achilles problems forced me to be a touragrino but Meridia, Caceres, and Salamanca are great cities to visit--just missed walking inbetween. I am sure much has changed but I met only 8 other pilgrims the whole way.

I loved Zamora and on via the Sanabria and would do that section again. It would be a great route all by itself.
 

linkster

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I really like seeing the different spreadsheet approaches, and get great ideas from each.

I always have a lot of uncertainty about how I will feel when I start walking, and what will transpire. My spreadsheet tries to include an expected/hoped for scenario (Plan A) and a Plan B that I can easily go to.

I include information on all of the places that have accommodation along the route, so I can easily see what my options are, and what I might need to do to catch up with whatever schedule I have. I note the populations since that gives an idea of what facilities can be expected. I can quickly see the implications of any change to my stopping point. I'm attaching a screenshot of part of my VDLP spreadsheet. It shows a 16-day option to Grimaldi, and a 19-day option. Usually my walks will land somewhere in the middle and I can add some rest days here and there, or an extra excursion to Finisterre. (But that latter has not yet happened!)

If you would like the Excel version, send me a private Conversation with your email address.
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I like the population number. It may help decide if there is something interesting etc. For me the spreadsheet is just a plan, and use something like the wise pilgrim app on the Camino.
 
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