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MikeyC

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The Spanish weather service has issued a heatwave alert for the next few days but especially Friday and Saturday the 13th and 14th.
Temperatures could reach 37C for Burgos and the Meseta and up to 44C in the south around Seville and Cordoba.
Those are shade temperatures and the feels like is up to 47C.
There's plenty of advice on other threads about walking when it's hot but I'm not sure I'd even want to step outside.
Stay safe fellow pilgrims.
 
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A friend is travelling by car today from near Madrid, destination Pamplona, and stopping off with passengers in Vitoria and and a couple of other locations. She told me she will take them to the door of where they are going so they would not have to be out in the heat for longer than the minute to turn the key or ring the bell... 38 celsius expected around Pamplona. She is looking forward to feeling cold on Saturday if plans to arrive in Dublin work out!
 
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Good God, sounds like it’s already too late and past the point of no return.

Everything needs to change otherwise everything will change.
Hi Lexicos. I am aware of many of your posts, especially your lovely photos. I am also aware of the longing of many in your part of the gobe who hope for freedom to travel. You have my sympathy.
I have no smart answer for you, beyond this: where you are, and with what you know, you have a responsibility. I am speaking first of all to myself, you will see that immediately! Good old ego pushes everything else out to the edge!
In this forum, we have the great luxury of knowing that the greater part of the material is information and fact based. Some of it is opinion based, and often that bites the dust! Good old ego has to swallow that!
Do not be dismayed. Forgive me, I think I have a good few years of life over you, based on your photo, and I am taking advantage of that to say: now is now. Keep being who you are, where you are, and know that the future is dependent on precisely that.
I know, this is not a pm, but I want to reply to you on the open forum where you expressed yourself.
And your walking locally photos? Missing them! No more than my own, but in the next couple of weeks I hope to have some to post!
 
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Not too bad day 1 as the time trial is only 7km and the first start is around 5pm. Sunday's 160km is going to be a real test though.
 

Dick & Kitty

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The hourly weather forecast for Astorga on Friday and Saturday shows that it won't get really terrible until 3 and continue in the 90s until 7 pm. The morning seems reasonably cool (at least by Florida standards). We don't start walking until Monday, thank goodness! And we will try to start as early as possible. Be careful everyone! Heat stroke is dangerous.
 
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Yo ho, by way of an update I am walking the Meseta and completed the stage from Castrojerez to Fromista today. Up at six and walking by seven with a great companion from Barcelona. Lots of water with rehydration salts. It’s cool and pleasant up to about 10am. A big break from walking in Itero. We crack on and the temperature is noticeable rising and we are pleased to book into the Albergue Municipal just after 1pm. Housekeeping done and I am now in a cool relaxing garden with a cold Cana and the wonderful problem of what and where to have dinner tonight. I guess, the same drill for walking to Carrion de los Condes.
 

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We're also having another heat wave here in eastern Washington state (US) along with smoke from forest fires. Can't hike/walk outdoors in preparation for my Sept/Oct. Camino so off to the basement for a workout instead.
Yeah, not a good combo here in Southern Oregon!
I can deal with the heat by getting up early for a walk, but my eyes, nose, and throat say no to the smoke. At least we are only in the red zone today...


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lt56ny

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This is the reason that I am lucky that I have the luxury of walking when I want. I have met people that walk the VDLP and other southern routes and think this is insane. Yes it is tolerable in the early morning but by 10:30 or 11 it is boilng and it just gets hotter. Then the idea of being in a town or village and it is 110F+ is not my idea of anything I would travel half way around the world for. It is dangerous and as climate change worsens these temperatures have no where to go but up. I am walking the VDLP starting October 14th and I am still a little worried about the temperatures. Again you can protect against the cold but you have no protection if for whatever reason you find yourself many kilometers from a town and the temperature is becoming intolerable. But like I said I am lucky to be able to go when I do. Good luck and stay safe to all those walking now.
 
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The Spanish weather service has issued a heatwave alert for the next few days but especially Friday and Saturday the 13th and 14th.
Temperatures could reach 37C for Burgos and the Meseta and up to 44C in the south around Seville and Cordoba.
Those are shade temperatures and the feels like is up to 47C.
There's plenty of advice on other threads about walking when it's hot but I'm not sure I'd even want to step outside.
Stay safe fellow pilgrims.
Thank you for this. I have been following as I am due to leave at the end of the month. I am hoping it breaks before then, but it is again a reminder that I need to be flexible.
 

t2andreo

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I recommend starting out in the morning as early as you can discern the arrows. Do not wait for the sun to be up. It's too late then.

If you can get out of your lodging by about 6:00 AM, you can get your day's walking in before the absolute heat of the day sets in. In Spain, the hottest period of the day is 1:00 PM to about 4:00 PM. In most of Spain, the heat builds from about 10:00, until it gets almost unbearable.

Either carry shade (umbrella), or seek shade, off the senda, once noon arrives. If you left your lodging at 6:00 AM, you could have gotten six hours of walking accomplished by then. Only the bit from about 10:00 would have been getting very hot.

Using a light colored or reflective umbrella drops the immediate temperature by about 20 degree (F). This is the same as walking into shade under a tree on a hot summer day. But, there are not a lot of trees in some places along the Camino. So, you bring your own.

During those couple of hours, soak your heat gear in water (any water will do) and place it on your head. Use a Buff, or a soaked towel, soaked in water - wrung out over your headgear - then placed around your neck, and / or your wrists. One can never have too many Buffs.

These are critical points to regulate your core temperature. Evaporative cooling from the microfiber will lower your core temperature. Try it - it works. You can soak a Buff and wear it on your head, under your wet sun hat, for even better cooling,

Carry extra water. Figure on a FULL LITER per hour after about 10:00. At other times, before 10:00 and after about 4:00 PM, plan on at least a half-liter, with hydration salts mixed in.

Yes, it means carrying extra weight. The choice is having first responders carrying your dead weight, if you pass out from sun stroke along the senda.

It's a case of pay me now, or pay me later.

Hope this helps.

Tom
 
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I walked from Estella to Los Arcos today. Didn’t start until 645- too late. The last bit was brutal and i ran out of water. The Guardia Civile, special pilgrim police, turned up with a bottle of water on the outskirts of los arcos. I almost cried!from gratitude.
The thing is im an experienced hiker and i knew id need more than a liter after monjardin. When i realized my Camino companion and i had missed the fuente, i wanted to go back. But she didn’t so i kept going with her. She had very little and was dizzy by the time she got to los arcos and was feeling sick. Dont walk without enough water!!!
another fuente on the way was closed…

Im a little anxious about the walk to Viana tomorrow, but ill try to start at 530…
 
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I walked from Estella to Los Arcos today. Didn’t start until 645- too late. The last bit was brutal and i ran out of water. The Guardia Civile, special pilgrim police, turned up with a bottle of water on the outskirts of los arcos. I almost cried!from gratitude.
The thing is im an experienced hiker and i knew id need more than a liter after monjardin. When i realized my Camino companion and i had missed the fuente, i wanted to go back. But she didn’t so i kept going with her. She had very little and was dizzy by the time she got to los arcos and was feeling sick. Dont walk without enough water!!!
another fuente on the way was closed…

Im a little anxious about the walk to Viana tomorrow, but ill try to start at 530…
Actually there’s no fuente in monjardin, the friend who filled up there got water from a bar
 

t2andreo

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Check the best local weather app you have to determine the time of sunrise in your area. Then, leave 30 minutes before that time. That should provide enough light to see the arrows.

I like El Tiempo+, produced by the Spanish National Meteorological Office (AEMET). It has accurate weather information for just about every named place in Spain. I found it to be remarkable and highly accurate. You can download it from the Apple App Store or for Android from the Google Store.

I know it might put a crimp in some night time revelry with other pilgrims. But, early to bed, early to rise is the best and safest bet during a summer heat wave in Spain. It is tempting to stay up later as it does not get dark until late in most of Spain. But, bring an eye mask. Try to get to sleep by 9:00 PM, so you can get up at 5:00 - 5:30 AM.

I hope this helps.

Tom
 
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catperson

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We walked in the heat wave summer 2017 40-41 most days for first three weeks
Wear hat
Wet your buff at every opportunity
We Left most days by 530 am and stopped by 1230
Always resupply water when available
Walk shorter distances if necessary
be smart and stay safe
 

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A reflective hiking umbrella is better than a hat. It holds the heat off of the top of your head - and allows for airflow. It's the only way that I can train in Texas right now - heat index 108 F. 20210811_173258.jpg 20210811_173258.jpg
 
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Yup walked from Sahagun to Reliegos today (around 31 kms) and onto Leon tomorrow for the Salvador. Tbh it's fine until noon and then it's a bit challenging. So an early start is essential. According to my phone it's now 30 degrees at 8:30pm.
 

Jeff Robinson

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I can’t be the only one and this isn’t for everyone but no one has chimed in about getting up at 4:15 and walking by 4:45.

If you prepare the evening before, you can leave like a mouse and never be heard.
Get up with a silent alarm. Pick up your pack and sleeping materials and tiptoe to an outer room, lobby, shower room, or outside to get dressed and finish packing. If you must, use a bug Light held in your closed hand letting only enough light between your fingers provide what you need. Do not use a flashlight, phone light, or headlamp while in the communal areas.

Once outside, continue to avoid light in order to retain your night vision. If you must enter a lit area, close one eye and keep it closed until you have departed the lit area. As long as you have retained your night vision, and the path is not rocky or otherwise dangerous, it’s almost always better to walk without a headlamp or phone lamp. With only starlight or moonlight you can actually see more without artificial light. If you are not familiar with what I mean by “night vision“, do a little research.

The rewards for being a pre-dawn sleuth is more than having 90 extra minutes of cooler temperatures. Simply put, the heavens are on display, the silence with the rhythm of your steps is a song, and it is absolutely beautiful.
And besides, I was always ready to find the first open café shortly after dawn. The first café con leche and chocolate croissant was always a special treat for me.
Buen Camino!
 

Lexicos

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Don't fall for that. All they're doing is getting your money. Change is natural. How long ago was the ice age?
Hmm, maybe, though I do have a little more faith in science than that. The scientific evidence speaks for itself I think. Plain observation too. The “change” we’re looking at here is “unnatural,” which I guess is the whole point of what the science is telling us.

Anyway, this is off-topic no doubt but one thing is certain, walking the Camino in Spain or Portugal in summer is tough, real tough, and every precaution needs to be taken because the risks to health, and safety, are not insignificant. I’ve done it once and probably wouldn’t do it again if I had the choice. And thankfully, I do.

I’m gonna bide my time and wait!!
 
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t2andreo

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I can’t be the only one and this isn’t for everyone but no one has chimed in about getting up at 4:15 and walking by 4:45.

If you prepare the evening before, you can leave like a mouse and never be heard.
Get up with a silent alarm. Pick up your pack and sleeping materials and tiptoe to an outer room, lobby, shower room, or outside to get dressed and finish packing. If you must, use a bug Light held in your closed hand letting only enough light between your fingers provide what you need. Do not use a flashlight, phone light, or headlamp while in the communal areas.

Once outside, continue to avoid light in order to retain your night vision. If you must enter a lit area, close one eye and keep it closed until you have departed the lit area. As long as you have retained your night vision, and the path is not rocky or otherwise dangerous, it’s almost always better to walk without a headlamp or phone lamp. With only starlight or moonlight you can actually see more without artificial light. If you are not familiar with what I mean by “night vision“, do a little research.

The rewards for being a pre-dawn sleuth is more than having 90 extra minutes of cooler temperatures. Simply put, the heavens are on display, the silence with the rhythm of your steps is a song, and it is absolutely beautiful.
And besides, I was always ready to find the first open café shortly after dawn. The first café con leche and chocolate croissant was always a special treat for me.
Buen Camino!

This is a very good suggestion, if doable. Some albergues lock pilgrims in for the night - seriously they do.

This aside, check the time of dawn - sunrise in your area, and plan to start out 30 minutes before then. This is so you have enough light to make out arrows.

One year, I started in the dark and could not see the arrows coming out of Tui on the Camino Portuguese. Fortunately, people were leaving their homes to drive to work, so I was able to ask these folks where the Camino was. There was enough daylight about 20 minutes later.

Hope this helps.

Tom
 

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Forecast for tomorrow August 14th for Logroño, La Rioja: Muy Scorchio!:eek:

Celsius:
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Fahrenheit:
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Stay in shade, drink a lot of water, walk a short distance or take a weekend off from walking and go to a swimming pool...
Same temps as here in S.Texas.we get 40 or so dog days then break .heat index will getcha!
You guys be safe!
 

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I'm in Toulouse right now, but was on the meseta 'til yesterday afternoon -- the heat here today is worse than it has been there ; similar temps, but humid rather than dry.
 
Yup walked from Sahagun to Reliegos today (around 31 kms) and onto Leon tomorrow for the Salvador. Tbh it's fine until noon and then it's a bit challenging. So an early start is essential. According to my phone it's now 30 degrees at 8:30pm.
I am a couple of days behind you and will be in Sahagun tomorrow. Couldn’t agree more with the early start and avoiding the, now brutal heat in the afternoon.
 
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One year, I started in the dark and could not see the arrows coming out of Tui on the Camino Portuguese. Fortunately, people were leaving their homes to drive to work, so I was able to ask these folks where the Camino was. There was enough daylight about 20 minutes later
Tom, it is so much easier nowadays with GPS and an offline map on the screen of your phone. If I start when it is dark, and I am in doubt, I don't even try to look for the arrows on the walls, trees or pavement. My eyesight is not good enough for that. I just look at the screen of my phone, there is a red track of the Camino and an arrow showing me whether I should go left or right. And I don't need to wait until 30 mins before sunrise, this method works 24 hours a day, including in the middle of the night if necessary.
What a marvel of technology can we slip into our pockets nowadays while walking the Camino!

Screenshot: Maps.Me + CF track
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I can’t be the only one and this isn’t for everyone but no one has chimed in about getting up at 4:15 and walking by 4:45.

If you prepare the evening before, you can leave like a mouse and never be heard.
Get up with a silent alarm. Pick up your pack and sleeping materials and tiptoe to an outer room, lobby, shower room, or outside to get dressed and finish packing. If you must, use a bug Light held in your closed hand letting only enough light between your fingers provide what you need. Do not use a flashlight, phone light, or headlamp while in the communal areas.

Once outside, continue to avoid light in order to retain your night vision. If you must enter a lit area, close one eye and keep it closed until you have departed the lit area. As long as you have retained your night vision, and the path is not rocky or otherwise dangerous, it’s almost always better to walk without a headlamp or phone lamp. With only starlight or moonlight you can actually see more without artificial light. If you are not familiar with what I mean by “night vision“, do a little research.

The rewards for being a pre-dawn sleuth is more than having 90 extra minutes of cooler temperatures. Simply put, the heavens are on display, the silence with the rhythm of your steps is a song, and it is absolutely beautiful.
And besides, I was always ready to find the first open café shortly after dawn. The first café con leche and chocolate croissant was always a special treat for me.
Buen Camino!
Just be aware of the courtesy of not waking other pilgrims in your dorm this early, several people I met this week have found the disturbance of people packing up and leaving this early inconsiderate.
 

Lurch

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I am on vacation in Lake Lugano, southern part of Switzerland and it is like a sauna, very hot and humid. Will be on the Camino in 3 weeks and if it is anything like this, it will be a bear for walking. I know August can be miserable, but this is ridiculous!
 

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I am on vacation in Lake Lugano, southern part of Switzerland and it is like a sauna, very hot and humid. Will be on the Camino in 3 weeks and if it is anything like this, it will be a bear for walking. I know August can be miserable, but this is ridiculous!
Overall, it's actually a cooler year.

These heatwaves are certainly bad, but they last for a few days, unlike say 2019 when it was basically non-stop May to September.

Having said that, the Camino routes through southern Spain and France will tend to have more difficult heat conditions this Summer (what's left of it) than the Francès and routes north of it. As to Italy, well, it gets very hot there in August ...
 

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I second all the excellent advice on hydration, early start, shade for head, etc and am just going to mention: if your health can’t take being overheated or dehydrated, I’d suggest just don’t walk, or walk very little, then grab alternate transportation to your next stop. Or if it’s going to be several days of extreme heat on a boring road, move ahead to an interesting town and spend a few days exploring it instead. Be sensible and by that I mean don’t take risks that could lead to serious injury. If you already have issues with heart, lung, kidneys, or medications that disrupt salt balance or temperature regulation, road marches with pack in extreme heat is not a good idea. Preventive action may let you continue rather than end up in an ER then flying home. Consider taking the cab, bus, donkey or whatever to prevent heat injury the equivalent of taking one after you tumble down a mountain spraining your knee.

edit: older (medicine considers that over 50🙄) are at greater risk for dehydration and heat injuries. This is due to lower cell fluid levels (so less fluid in reserve), decreased thirst sensation (so don’t realize you’re getting behind), and often medication that interferes with fluids, salts etc or with sweating.

be safe and buen Camino
 
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I'm one of the walk early to avoid dying of heat brigade.
I often walked early, but usually when it was really hot, most of the albergue left early - so there were plenty of torches and people looking for arrows for us all not to get lost. After an hour or so, the line would naturally disperse out along the trail - so we didnt walk all bunched up.
Another thing I always did was to make sure I did a recce the night before to find the way-out markers for the morning, so you dont get lost or have to backtrack and waste time. Make sure its not a variente though - extra kms in the heat are not funny.
I would have water before I left, and refill my bottle. If possible leaving your bottle in the fridge is great.
Another thing to watch out for is that phones can cook in the heat. What that specific heat is I dont know.
My sister left hers in a closed car for half an hour in NZ, and it fried itself, never to work again. So I'm aware to make sure I don't leave it where it can be overheated.
 

grayland

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Our average daytime temperature here in tha Arizona desert this time of year is 35 (95f) to 45 (113f). It makes walking distances very difficult. I have really lost a lot of conditioning since I moved here. I try to start at 6am but the hot sun comes up by 7am.
 
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In this current COVID world pilgrims take their camino opportunities when are where they can find them. But even for this Aussie temperatures over 40C (104F) are no fun. So you all keep safe and cool. Cheers
 

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