June 25 vs July 25

[caminka]

hello to you all!

I am trying to find the holy years of santiago for the middle ages, 15th century in the specific. and have come upon a rather unnerving problem.

was santiago day always june 25? or was it another day in another calendar, namely medieval julian calendar? because grotefend has it as july 25, and that left me confused (http://www.manuscripta-mediaevalia.de/g ... eilige.htm). although grotefend is not regarded as full-proof anymore. or is this maybe because he only lists german towns as reference?

I would like to know on which day falls santiago day in 1475. or, which were the holy years in the 15th century. em, they did celebrate them already, right?

thanks!

 

[Peter Robins]

where do you get June 25 from? I'm not aware of any church that celebrates St James Day then. Sil posted a summary of the dates at miscellaneous-topics/topic8514.html though there's a couple of errors: I think "29 April" should read "30 April", and the Tridentine calendar also used July 25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tridentine_Calendar#July

I assume this is a confusion with when July 25 would occur in old and new calendars, and the whole issue is complicated by different countries having adopted the Gregorian calendar at widely different times - Spain in 1582 - and also starting the year at different times. So define what you mean by 'year' and what you mean by 'July 25'

If you read French, there's a good summary of when Holy Years were started at http://www.saint-jacques.info/anneesaintes.html
They make 1434 the first verifiable date. Ignore any claims of them starting in the 12th century as this is according to a completely bogus Papal Bull.

 

[caminka]

where do you get June 25 from? I'm not aware of any church that celebrates St James Day then.

to be honest, I have no idea. I suppose I heard it somewhere a long time ago and it stuck so firmly in my head that since then I always thought (and read, and heard too, apparently) june 25.
well, at least that has been cleared now. it would be really embarrasing if grotefend would be wrong for a whole month.

They make 1434 the first verifiable date.

since then there were these years: 1434, 1445, 1451, 1456, 1462, 1473, 1479, 1484, 1490, 1501.

thanks, peter!