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Till half May only essencial travel in a lot off European countrys.This will be a huge inconvenience for Pilgrims starting further away than SJPP.
Thanks, Margaret, for sharing this comprehensive article on what's going on at the moment.Thinking of traveling from the US this year? See this New York Times article published 26/03/2021 for Various Options in European countries
As this stands, this is until the end of the state of sanitary emergency, which I believe is currently scheduled for May 9th.Orden SND/292/2021 (obligation for PCR and others tests for arrivals from EU countries by air and sea as before but now also for land border crossings from France)
The text in question says: Una vez finalizada la prórroga del estado de alarma establecida por el Real Decreto 555/2020, de 5 de junio, las medidas contenidas en los capítulos II, III, IV, V, VI y VII y en la disposición adicional sexta serán de aplicación en todo el territorio nacional hasta que el Gobierno declare de manera motivada y de acuerdo con la evidencia científica disponible, previo informe del Centro de Coordinación de Alertas y Emergencias Sanitarias, la finalización de la situación de crisis sanitaria ocasionada por el COVID-19.As this stands, this is until the end of the state of sanitary emergency, which I believe is currently scheduled for May 9th.
Sure, which is why I used "I believe", not something stronger.i.e. this obligation may well continue beyond the possible end of the national state of alarm on 9 May 2021.
This is a good article. The legal wrangling that goes on between courts, regional governments, "concerned citizens", affected businesses, and other actors that it describes for Spain is also typical for other countries with decentralised forms of government, with written constitutions protecting freedoms, and with insufficiently drafted general laws for the protection of public health that turned out to be inadequate for dealing with the current Covid-19 public health threat.What happens when the state of alarm in Spain expires on May 9?
According to the central government and several experts, the regions will need legal backing to introduce coronavirus restrictions on movement, such as the curfewenglish.elpais.com
Fwiw, Spanish news use the expression incidencia acumulada.case notification rate, usually called incidence rate
These maps are very useful, as for example (current situation) :There are colour coded maps with a breakdown of the rates by larger or smaller regions, like provinces or the region of/around a town, and I use them to get an idea of the current public health situation in a place.
Internal travel will be possible again in the UK from April 12th,
Well, yes and no -- it's correct insofar that central Government decisions regarding the lifting of national restrictions apply to the UK as a whole, though particular decisions in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland by their own Authorities can persist regardless including various regional restrictions.As in many health matters, this is not correct ; the date refers to England, not the UK.
Well, yes and no -- it's correct insofar that central Government decisions regarding the lifting of national restrictions apply to the UK as a whole, though particular decisions in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland by their own Authorities can persist regardless including various regional restrictions.
But your point is a good and important one.
@mjal for future reference a URL will not show as active until you click "Post Reply".Edited twice to try to persuade the system to show the URL of the link but to no avail. At least the link seems to work...
@mjal, this is very frustrating and I have struggled with it in the past. Here's the trick to solve it ... for anyone who has the patience and tenacity : Click on the three dots in the top right corner; click on the square brackets; you are now in BB code; you see that your link is preceded by URL unfurl="true"; change true to false; click yourself back to where you started. Done.Edited twice to try to persuade the system to show the URL of the link but to no avail. At least the link seems to work...
Tinca,@mjal for future reference a URL will not show as active until you click "Post Reply".
I'll post a couple to further your research: https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/about-us/our-funding-and-collaborations; https://www.gatsby.org.uk/
Thanks for this.@mjal, this is very frustrating and I have struggled with it in the past. Here's the trick to solve it ... for anyone who has the patience and tenacity : Click on the three dots in the top right corner; click on the square brackets; you are now in BB code; you see that your link is preceded by URL unfurl="true"; change true to false; click yourself back to where you started. Done.
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I assume that this is addressed to me.No polemic please, I'm English.
Yes, I think that this unfurling of links is a fairly recent addition to the forum software. It's quite useful in most cases but not this time as it turned into the word StackPath which is quite meaningless for the reader.this seemed not to happen in the past
Everything changes on an hourly basis...difficult to keep track of it.The lockdown in France is going to be extended. No details yet as to how long for.
It's been extended to 11th May.The lockdown in France is going to be extended. No details yet as to how long for.
It's particularly difficult to work out what's going on in Portugal, as their announcements are very confusing.Everything changes on an hourly basis...difficult to keep track of it.
hmmmmm, but OTOH there was a message on the public notice board in town this morning that it's extended to May 3rd ?It's been extended to 11th May.
Yes, it changes hourly...Jabba tries to keep us abreast of things as is humanly possible.Everything changes on an hourly basis...difficult to keep track of it.
President Macron has just announced that bars and restaurants will be able to reopen for outdoor service on May 3rd ; and for indoor service probably two weeks later.The lockdown in France has been extended to 3rd May.
Crikey.... it changes so quickly that it makes it tough to know whether or not to try and organise a flight to Spain from the other side of the world.... oh well, I’ll get there one day!Yes, it changes hourly...Jabba tries to keep us abreast of things as is humanly possible.
JabbaPapa,The curfew measures in France are set to come to an end on 2nd June.
It changed since this morning -- 30th June nowJabbaPapa,
Perhaps "hopefully set" is a more appropriate phrase. On ne sait jamais!
Such proof is always needed when incoming by air or sea ; by land, only France is concerned.Covid-19 test required for land border crossing from France to Spain. The rules about proof of a negative result of a recent Covid-19 test for those travelling to Spain by air, sea or land continue. This includes the obligation for presenting or being in possession of such a test result when crossing the land border between France and Spain. It does not apply to the land border between Portugal and Spain.
See Orden SND/292/2021.
That's good news although I always wondered how they enforced the border controls against people walking across between the two countries, especially in the remoter areas. The last time I crossed the border was on the "ruta de los contrabandistas" on the Camino Zamorano-Portugués between Segirei in Portugal and Vilardévos in Spain and it was quite impossible to work out where the border was, other than my telephone pinging regularly as vodaphone.pt slugged it out with vodaphone.es.End of border controls at the Portuguese-Spanish border
I remember a blog entry about the border stones marking the Spanish-French border in the Pyrenees and how to find and identify them so I thought that there must be something similar for the Spanish-Portuguese border and I found an entertaining PR video with accompanying heroic music . As to what it's like, well, it's just like before Schengen. There are border control posts, mainly for car traffic, and there are the seemingly endless long "green borders" with no border control whatsoever.I always wondered how they enforced the border controls against people walking across between the two countries, especially in the remoter areas. The last time I crossed the border [...] it was quite impossible to work out where the border was, other than my telephone pinging regularly as vodaphone.pt slugged it out with vodaphone.es.
Thank you for the video. I crossed walking the Spanish/Portuguese border in several points and I saw those stones wih letters E and P. But on the video I see that now they put letter G on the Galician border.I remember a blog entry about the border stones marking the Spanish-French border in the Pyrenees and how to find and identify them so I thought that there must be something similar for the Spanish-Portuguese border and I found an entertaining PR video with accompanying heroic music . As to what it's like, well, it's just like before Schengen. There are border control posts, mainly for car traffic, and there are the seemingly endless long "green borders" with no border control whatsoever.
PS: Judging by the poor Wikipedia article in English, "green border" doesn't seem to be a widely known concept in English. The best version is the version in Dutch.
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Those are some fun places to dig post-holes!I remember a blog entry about the border stones marking the Spanish-French border in the Pyrenees and how to find and identify them so I thought that there must be something similar for the Spanish-Portuguese border and I found an entertaining PR video with accompanying heroic music . As to what it's like, well, it's just like before Schengen. There are border control posts, mainly for car traffic, and there are the seemingly endless long "green borders" with no border control whatsoever.
PS: Judging by the poor Wikipedia article in English, "green border" doesn't seem to be a widely known concept in English. The best version is the version in Dutch.
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I edited my post. You made a good point and I am glad that I saw it. All these developments are relevant for those of us, and I am among them, who are trying to suss out when will be a good time (for themselves) to go on that plane and walk where one had hoped, and had planned, to walk last year. BTW, I am less concerned about legality, or morality for that matter, and more concerned about the best possible level of knowledge and information.I understand your point about relevance so have withdrawn the links .. but there is still the need to take advice about the legality of actions as @Kathar1na has pointed out.
Mariana Vieira da Silva, ministra de Estado e da Presidência, Conferência de imprensa do Conselho de Ministros, 13 de maio de 2021. 54:47. Uploaded by República Portuguesa.When someone has something to point out here , PLEASE use the official government websites
What I pointed out earlyer use only official country websites. There is to much talk and not only about lockdowns.These matters are always confusing, but the basis is still that each country is sovereign over its entry requirements, except that internal cross-border travel inside the EU, Schengen Area, EEA, and a few associated countries and territories is regulated mainly by the common EU Law and the freedom of movement principle.
So that a particular Member State could allow incoming travel from more countries than are generally permitted in the EU as a whole.
But yes, it is a good idea for the time being that Pilgrims in the UK be cautious with their travel planning.
This did make me smile!. As an Australian we can only dream of a camino - we are not allowed to leave the country yet (perhaps for the rest of the year!), Only rigorous paperwork, along with a very specific reason - often involving something rather sad such as a dying family member or similar, allows a select few to leave the country, if they can get a flight and can afford it!The list includes now Australia, Israel, New Zealand, Ruanda, Singapore, South Korea, and Thailand; and also China if there were reciprocity.
I know and I sympathise. I'm merely trying to provide a bit of well-founded counterbalance from the other side of the border. It is a truly Sisyphean task.This did make me smile!. As an Australian we can only dream of a camino - we are not allowed to leave the country yet (perhaps for the rest of the year!)
I know you are but there is more in this world than English speaking media.I'm all for it. I hardly ever post something here that I have not checked beforehand on gob.es, gov.pt, boe.es, europa.eu (eur-lex, consilium and so on), legifrance.gouv.fr
On this basis, I consider reliable summaries in English-speaking media as helpful for pilgrims' planning and information but I don't have to do that if that's the general wish.
Which is why I am verifying it beforehand on non-English language government websites, like those of the Portuguese, Spanish and French governments, stuff like has it even been decided yet, what exactly does it entail, when will it start, how long will it officially last etc etc, before I post a summary in English or a link to a well-written accurate news article in English. I can read French pretty well, Spanish fairly well and manage Portuguese so-so, thanks to being able to read French, Spanish etc. etc. A link to a Google-translated website alone is not that helpful and often barely comprehensible for those who cannot double-check and understand the source language at the same time.I know you are but there is more in this world than English speaking media.
And we all know that the media is not always reliable.