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Catalonia is considering closing all bars and restaurants 'til the end of October.
Please remember to keep all posts Camino related.
No problem, they would be caminos, and on topic.hmmm, I might from time to time want to put in some (on topic) stuff that is Francigena/Via Romea -related if that's OK ?
Ha! Did you know that the word "curfew" is related to the French word "couvre-feu", which means "cover fire". Both words are derived from an Old French word. The original meaning refers to a law made by William the Conqueror that all lights and fires should be covered at the ringing of an eight o'clock bell to prevent the spread of destructive fire within communities in timber buildings. [William came from France, invaded England, stayed and became king. 1066 and all that].a couvre-feu, a curfew from 9 pm until 6 am, in Paris and in a number of other large cities in France, among them Toulouse
Ha! Did you know that the word "curfew" is related to the French word "couvre-feu", which means "cover fire". Both words are derived from an Old French word. The original meaning refers to a law made by William the Conqueror that all lights and fires should be covered at the ringing of an eight o'clock bell to prevent the spread of destructive fire within communities in timber buildings. [William came from France, invaded England, stayed and became king. 1066 and all that].
I always associated curfew with war/occupying army. I will look at it more benignly now.
And "feu" here refers both to fire as such, and to the fireplace, the hearth -- and from that it meant household, which led to feudal as the family household was the basic constitutive element of that political system, in its original form anyway.Ha! Did you know that the word "curfew" is related to the French word "couvre-feu", which means "cover fire".
i believe it's safe to say that the 2020 Camino season has ended, other cities and regions will follow suit soon (and we really should not be walking through covid-infested regions).Another lockdown today (Oct. 19) — Navarra is closed. Intra-regional travel is allowed, but no movement in or out.
Navarra se confina: limita las entradas y salidas a toda la comunidad y cierra bares y restaurantes para frenar los contagios
Navarra, con una incidencia acumulada superior a los 900 casos por 100.000 habitantes en los últimos 14 días, es la primera comunidad a la que se le aplica un confinamiento perimetralwww.eldiario.es
Key take-away is that for the next fifteen days (starting on Tuesday), no one can enter or leave Navarra without an exceptional reason.
Durante los próximos 15 días no se podrá ni entrar ni salir de Navarra salvo por cuestiones de fuerza mayor.
Judicial approval of the emergency declaration is required, but the president of Navarra says she is optimistic.
Pilgrims walking now are going to have to make some quick decisions.
For those who may be rusty on their Spanish geography, that means Roncesvalles to Logroño on the Francés. A few bits of the Ebro and the Baztán are also affected.
a lockdown of Burgos is being contemplated,
Full details are now available :I will be interested to see how Navarra deals with pilgrims.
The reasons are far too many to discuss. These will all become apparent when this is all over. The basics are that a virus does what a virus has always done and looks for a host.I understand the difference with Galicia because the dispersion of population in that region that also affects the social behaviour. Maybe Navarra does more tests than the neighbours.
Just out of curiosity because it is a pretty academic question for us here: Did you read somewhere that “ALL Albergues will be closed”? Because hoteles and casa rurales will not be closed. They must, however, reduce the number of their guests who are served at one table.So nobody in or out, and ALL Albergues will be closed.
Galicia with 6% of the Spanish population has 60% of entities with less than 100 people. When you do a camino you see that in Galicia the base is the "aldea" (hamlet) formed by a few houses without services and even streets, whereas in other regions the base is the "pueblo"(town/village) with much more social life.@Pelegrin, your comment made me curious and I looked up population figures: only 650,000 inhabitants in Navarra of which 200,000 in Pamplona. For what it is worth. I sometimes like to compare figures to places I am familiar with.
@Pelegrin, I tend not to gush about forum posts or forum posters but I'd like to say how much I for one appreciate the nuanced comments and nuggets of information that you bring to the forum from inside Spain and share here as someone who not only lives in the capital Madrid but grew up in rural Galicia. Thank you!Galicia with 6% of the Spanish population has 60% of entities with less than 100 people. When you do a camino you see that in Galicia the base is the "aldea" (hamlet) formed by a few houses without services and even streets, whereas in other regions the base is the "pueblo"(town/village) with much more social life. That feature (of Galicia) has affected the social behaviour because in those hamlets there is very little contact with other people
Thank you. @Kathar1na. Following with my previous post, the people who live in the big populated areas of Galicia most of them came from the rural and therefore keep the tradition of "less sociability". Of course there are also an increasing number of people with standard Spanish behaviour in terms of sociabilty.@Pelegrin, I tend not to gush about forum posts or forum posters but I'd like to say how much I for one appreciate the nuanced comments and nuggets of information that you bring to the forum from inside Spain and share here as someone who not only lives in the capital Madrid but grew up in rural Galicia. Thank you!
The El Pais article states that there is to be a complete closure of all hostelry. I quoted it and put that phrase in bold.Just out of curiosity because it is a pretty academic question for us here: Did you read somewhere that “ALL Albergues will be closed”? Because hoteles and casa rurales will not be closed.
Maybe you need to expand your reading .The El Pais article states that there is to be a complete closure of all hostelry. I quoted it and put that phrase in bold.
Anyone sharing a community table with others, whether at a casa rural or elsewhere even with limited numbers, eating and drinking(no mask obviously) definately become more vulnerable. It seems unwise to allow this even though we all love gathering around a table and "breaking bread" together.They must, however, reduce the number of their guests who are served at one table.
OK it is unavailable -- maybe I assumed too much, but honestly I doubt it, and my sentence is likely to be correct.I am happy to look up the exact wording in their Official Boletín.
I hope this may be of help to anyone walking the Frances who is wondering about how the quickly changing situation may affect them.Another lockdown today (Oct. 19) — Navarra is closed. Intra-regional travel is allowed, but no movement in or out.
Navarra se confina: limita las entradas y salidas a toda la comunidad y cierra bares y restaurantes para frenar los contagios
Navarra, con una incidencia acumulada superior a los 900 casos por 100.000 habitantes en los últimos 14 días, es la primera comunidad a la que se le aplica un confinamiento perimetralwww.eldiario.es
Key take-away is that for the next fifteen days (starting on Tuesday), no one can enter or leave Navarra without an exceptional reason.
Durante los próximos 15 días no se podrá ni entrar ni salir de Navarra salvo por cuestiones de fuerza mayor.
Judicial approval of the emergency declaration is required, but the president of Navarra says she is optimistic.
Pilgrims walking now are going to have to make some quick decisions.
For those who may be rusty on their Spanish geography, that means Roncesvalles to Logroño on the Francés. A few bits of the Ebro and the Baztán are also affected.
The Government does need parliamentary approval, though the opposition in Parliament may seek to limit the duration to eight weeks, and the end of December.Spain has declared a State of Alarm to last until 9th May.
It always was!!!!Gentlemen and gentlewomen, this is serious!
Brace yourselves.
The Government does need parliamentary approval, though the opposition in Parliament may seek to limit the duration to eight weeks, and the end of December.
Spain’s Popular Party only willing to support an eight-week state of alarm
PP chief Pablo Casado says the government’s planned deadline of May 9 is excessive, and demands an alternative legal tool for future restrictionsenglish.elpais.com
And the decree itself might be challenged :
Casado has criticized several aspects of the new decree. He has questioned why, under the state of alarm, power now falls to the regional governments and not to the central administration, arguing the executive is “sheltering itself” behind the regions. Casado has said that the decree includes “aspects that may go against the Constitution itself,” such as the provision that “there will be no jurisdictional control” over the coronavirus restrictions. Under the state of alarm, regional governments can issue measures that restrict movement without needing to request permission from a court on a case-by-case basis.
But there is consensus for this to last until just before Christmas I suppose, so this is the important aspect of it for Pilgrims. But more fireworks to come I suspect.
Thank you, @jefferyonthecamino, for this small but important clarification.just a small clarification
The French Senate has shortened this to 31st January.France has declared a state of "sanitary emergency" until February 16th.
Thank you, @jefferyonthecamino, for this small but important clarification.
The range of legal instruments for imposing restrictions on constitutionally guaranteed rights and freedoms of individuals in connection with the fight against communicable diseases is quite different from one country to the next.
To give an example: Unlike two other countries that come to mind, Spain doesn't have a Biosecurity Act that would allow the Spanish government to prohibit their citizens from leaving the country, and for an undetermined period of time to boot, or a Protection against Infection Act that would allow the Spanish regions, let alone the Spanish municipalities, take appropriate measures on their own.
Judging by today's news from Spain, I understand that there are voices who want, before this year is over, a legal reform that would allow restrictions on movement to be approved without the need to declare or maintain the "State of Alarm". The State of Alarm is the least severe and the least restrictive of the three states of emergency defined in the Spanish constitution of 1978.
It has been approved -- but it will be challenged in Court by an opposition party.Parliament is debating the extension of the state of alarm 'til that May date.
The last point is not entirely correct at present, as Santiago is under lockdown til midnight between Monday and Tuesday for the time being.We also wish to convey that the general rule agreed with the Guarda Civil and explicitly supported by the Regional Government of Castilla y León is that pilgrims who have entered the Autonomous Community of Castilla y León before the regional confinement, namely before 30th October at 14:00, may continue their pilgrimage through this area until they reach the gates of the City of Santiago, which they will not be able to enter.
Actually, I hesitated when I typed the phrase "which they will not be able to enter". I wondered whether I should express my personal doubts but then I decided to simply translate the announcement by ACMS as is and without personal comments. The tourism department of the Castilla y Leon administration has obviously thought about the situation of pilgrims when they introduced restrictions on mobility for their region, and they were able to clearly communicate their rules applicable to pilgrims. This cannot be said about the tourism department of the Galicia administration. All I found was an interview with them that was published this morning by Galiciapress. Here's an extract:The last point is not entirely correct at present, as Santiago is under lockdown til midnight between Monday and Tuesday for the time being.
Oh yes, this is according to "fuentes de la Vicepresidencia Primera de la Xunta", I posted a link to the news article in another thread. What I don't get is why this is always reported in such a contorted way, an unnamed source here, another one there, and they don't say quite the same. Wouldn't it be better if the administration issued a press release, and did so in time, that can then be taken up by the various stakeholders - FB groups, online communities like this one, pilgrims associations?Galicia has clarified the situation for those Pilgrims presently on the Way.
Those were extracts from a Press Release.Wouldn't it be better if the administration issued a press release
Pilgrims still must avoid and may not sleep in the following Municipalities in Galicia :
Ames, Teo, Narón, Ferrol, Fene, Neda, Pontevedra, Poio, Marín, A Coruña, Arteixo, Vigo, Lugo, Vimianzo.
Those municipalities are part of metropolitan areas(MA): Ames and Teo are part of Santiago MA; Narón, Fene and Neda are part of Ferrol MA called Ferrolterra and Arteixo is Coruña MA
I'll quibble that there are some exceptions to that rule, but that's indeed the very gist of it.If you are in France and hope to travel now during lockdown you need permission papers and to book any long distance train well in advance.
The regional government wants also the population to be confined at home (also Asturias) but the central gov. rejects it for the moment (maybe the current Estado de Alarma doesn`t allow this).All bars and restaurants in Castilla y León are ordered to close from Friday.
The regional government wants also the population to be confined at home (also Asturias) but the central gov. rejects it for the moment (maybe the current Estado de Alarma doesn`t allow this).
Very complicated here. It seems it was easier in England that I realized because the Boris Johnson´s decree that doesn´t have regional government and the UK gov. always decides
Yes but the lockdown of England was decided by Boris Johnson not by the regional government of England as far as I know.I found your remarks re England/UK just a little difficult to interpret.
Health matters in the UK are "devolved" to constituent countries/provinces viz England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. So there can be different rules re Covid for each of these areas.
Presently, Wales is in a form of lockdown, Scotland has a "level" system (0 to 4, with increasing restrictions as the number rises), Northern Ireland has its own regulations and England is about to enter a lockdown from Thursday until 2 December.
Yes but the lockdown of England was decided by Boris Johnson not by the regional government of England as far as I know.
Here in Spain if president Sanchez decided the same lockdown for Madrid,
the regional gov. would strongly opposite because president Ayuso is firmly against. We are fed up about their permanent fight.
From Monday, it turns out bars and restaurants will be able to stay open until 9:30 PM.Bars and restaurants in Catalonia are to reopen on November 23rd for at least daytime service.
Yes. But Madrid with bars and restaurants open has one of the best rates in Spain, what is a mistery for me.The Madrid region shall go into a regional lockdown between the 4th and 13th of December.