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wayfarer

Moderator
Staff member
Camino(s) past & future
SJPP-Santiago-Finistera-Muxia. April/May 2012
Sarria-Santiago Sept. 2013
SJPP - Almost Orrison April 2014
Will the two new staff members be replacing any of the ones who have served for a long time, or are they additional staff?
I'm negotiating a severance package with Ivar but he still hasn't met my asking price...😂😂
 

Togabogie

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances
Just a quick question, if you have a demur or question to ask a mod or staff member to probe into a decision who exactly do you ask ?? I.e anyone in particular? Ivar?
Kind regards
 

SabineP

Camino = Empathy + Compassion.
Camino(s) past & future
some and then more. see my signature.
Just a quick question, if you have a demur or question to ask a mod or staff member to probe into a decision who exactly do you ask ?? I.e anyone in particular? Ivar?
Kind regards
There is a report function in every post and when you click on it , write your report and send it, it will come to the attention of all moderators.
I guess it then depends on who is online at that certain time to deal with it.

Sometimes I will make a PM to a specific moderator when I see that he or she is online at that moment.
 
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Bradypus

Antediluvian
Staff member
Camino(s) past & future
Too many and too often!
As @SabineP says the 'Report' option will flag a post for the moderators' attention. You have the option to explain what your concern is. If you have a question concerning a decision made by a moderator then you should contact them or Ivar by private message as explained in the forum rules: "
7) If you do not agree on a moderator decision, please contact the moderator or @ivar in a Private Conversation. All disagreements should be handled in Private Conversations and not in public.
 

davebugg

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances(2017)
Frances(2018)
Ingles(2019)
Aragones(2020)
Portuguese(2020)
As @SabineP says the 'Report' option will flag a post for the moderators' attention. You have the option to explain what your concern is. If you have a question concerning a decision made by a moderator then you should contact them or Ivar by private message as explained in the forum rules: "
It can help to review all of the Forum rules, too; an answer as to 'why' something was done by a Moderator may be self-evident. https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/forum-rules.20973/
 

VNwalking

Wandering in big circles
Camino(s) past & future
Francés ('14/'15)
San Olav/CF ('16)
Baztanés/CF ('17)
Ingles ('18)
Vasco/CF/Invierno ('19)
Congratulations may not be in order as this is a burden rather than a gift. But warm well-wishing to both of you for a quiet tenure! And thank you in advance for your part in keeping the peace here.
 

William Garza

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, The Jakobsweg
Good luck guys!
Now you have a target on your back for whoever poop-posts in spite and despite forum rules and norms all in the name of freedom of speech.
Its like hearding a bunch of cartnip using...angry tween...kitten-cats.
Screaming
DONT CENSOR ME.DO NOT MODERATE ME...!!!!!
while the rest of the forum is cringing and angry because said forum abuser is jumping the shark,going over the hill and speed spamming the forum with nonsense....

Or caught between people arguing politics-religion-who has the most- plugged in-woke-POV..
And having to temp ban or perma ban said offenders after generous warnings because..

Its a forum with incredibly diverse and lively members from every corner of the world..who may be offended by another's language,pov,stance on who is a real pilgrim or not,who travels the furthest wins and who has the best tortilla and how much to leave at the donativo with only cold water showers..which makes it the worst on the Camino.

Some wil ask for the least amount of Moderation
Some will ask for more
Some need more
Some need none

Without moderation? I think the forum would turn into a free for all with Alpha passive aggressives flaming
Others blaming
Some framing others for a different pov.

Best of luck to the New Guys!
Moderation has its good and bad days
 

koilife

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF w/ son #1 (2013); Logrono-Leon/Salvador/Primitivo w/ son #2 (2016); Portugues w/ son #3 (2020)
the world's second largest shark is known in English as the basking shark but in Spanish it is the tiburón peregrino.
Because it travels long distances, always on the move and never settling down, constantly eating paella, tapas, bocadillos, and Tortilla Espanola, consuming vast quantities of vino tinto and Estrella Galicia, and able to detect trace amounts of sangria from miles away?
 

pelerine

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Norte 10, Primitivo 13, Plata 14+15, Salvador 16, Torres 17, Portugues 18, Mozarabe 19
And in French it is called “réquin pélerin”. We have it here in Brittany - it takes the fish off people fishing in the sea, but does not attack humans.

Here it does not consume vast quantities of vinho tinto or sangria!!!!
 

pelerine

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Norte 10, Primitivo 13, Plata 14+15, Salvador 16, Torres 17, Portugues 18, Mozarabe 19
Because it travels long distances, always on the move and never settling down, constantly eating paella, tapas, bocadillos, and Tortilla Espanola, consuming vast quantities of vino tinto and Estrella Galicia, and able to detect trace amounts of sangria from miles away?
Basically when a person goes off the rails! And does ..stuff...
Yes, I understand, but it is strange nevertheless that the Spanish and the French call it “pilgrim shark”. Nothing to do with the thread of course. Your fault, Bradypus! Is this how you start your new role on this forum?!
 

koilife

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF w/ son #1 (2013); Logrono-Leon/Salvador/Primitivo w/ son #2 (2016); Portugues w/ son #3 (2020)

malingerer

Active Member
Becoming a moderator is THE definition of going off the rails.

Have never understood HOW they are elected or by who! I have been involved with Camino since 2003 under different names and different avatars so a newbie I aint! I have even had Ivar the Terrible gently quote rule two at me! Sob.! Good luck, God speed and Buen Camino to them both however, They will need it :)

Yours aye ,

The Malingerer.
 

Jeff Crawley

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Contemplating yet another "final" Camino
but will I be fit enough for 2020?
That's not an expression I've heard before, but how awesome is that?!
It comes from an American TV series called Happy Days - which went on and on and on and basically run out of story lines until it ended up, in one episode, with a central character out water skiing in Hawaii who, when menaced by a shark and facing certain death jumped over the shark and survived.
So now anything that outlives its usefulness but still clings on, especially TV programmes - the London Guardian newspaper has a column on these - has jumped the shark.
Think of it as an American Deus Ex Machina if you will.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Frances(2006) Portugues(2013)
San Salvador (2017) Ingles (2019)
It comes from an American TV series called Happy Days - which went on and on and on and basically run out of story lines until it ended up, in one episode, with a central character out water skiing in Hawaii who, when menaced by a shark and facing certain death jumped over the shark and survived.
So now anything that outlives its usefulness but still clings on, especially TV programmes - the London Guardian newspaper has a column on these - has jumped the shark.
Think of it as an American Deus Ex Machina if you will.
Jeff, thank you. A credible explanation. Sometimes, I just shrug and move on, but am really happy to have this spelled out.

Have never understood HOW they are elected or by who! I have been involved with Camino since 2003 under different names and different avatars so a newbie I aint! I have even had Ivar the Terrible gently quote rule two at me! Sob.! Good luck, God speed and Buen Camino to them both however, They will need it :)
Yours aye ,
The Malingerer.

As for @malingerer - more than one identity? I thought that was against the rules! I had not spent any time wondering about moderators, beyond thinking they were ultra cool, in the former sense, of not getting incensed. all the best to the entire bunch of them. Not an easy job. As the forum more or less manages to be clean and wholesome, it is good enough for me. I would not hang around otherwise.
 

David Tallan

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances (1989 and 2016), Portugues - from Porto (2018)
That's not an expression I've heard before, but how awesome is that?!
Re: "Jumping the shark"

For those who may not be native English speakers up-to-date on popular culture.

The phrase "jumping the shark" originated in an old episode of the American situation comedy TV show "Happy Days". In the episode, one of the main characters ("The Fonz") literally jumped over a shark while water skiing. Fans and critics decided that this was a seminal moment in the show and represented a turning point towards decline. After that, "jumping the shark" started to be used much more widely to represent a notable moment that signaled a sharp decline in what had once been popular and liked.

As to whether any particular Camino routes or sections thereof have "jumped the shark", I leave to people's individual judgment. I am still happy with them all.
 

NorthernLight

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Le Puy to Santiago via the Frances 2012-2013. EPW2015
Aragonese & Frances 2016
Burgos to Muxia 2017
I remember that episode, of the Fonz waterskiing, but I never connected the expression to the show, or quite that meaning. Perhaps it took longer for ‘jumping the shark’ to enter the vernacular in my corner of North America and it evolved.

My sense of the expression was more along the lines of ‘going off the rails’, but I will now revisit the new explanation when I see the shark jumped in future.
 

Camino Chrissy

Take one step forward...then keep on walking..
Camino(s) past & future
Frances 2015;
Norte/Primitivo 2016;
Frances 2017;
Le Puy 2018;
Portuguese/FishermanTr. 2019
It comes from an American TV series called Happy Days - which went on and on and on and basically run out of story lines until it ended up, in one episode, with a central character out water skiing in Hawaii who, when menaced by a shark and facing certain death jumped over the shark and survived.
So now anything that outlives its usefulness but still clings on, especially TV programmes - the London Guardian newspaper has a column on these - has jumped the shark.
Think of it as an American Deus Ex Machina if you will.
I'm American, watched Happy Days in my youth, and never knew this trivia fact! Very interesting...and from the mouth of a foreigner! 😅
 

Paladina

old woman of the roads
Camino(s) past & future
CF, primitivo & del norte (2017); VdlP/Sanabres, ingles etc (2018), Mozarabe etc (2019), tbc (2020)
Whoever they are and however the moderators are appointed, I have good reason to be grateful for their immoderate generosity and gentle discipline. A forum that discourages aggression and personal abuse deserves protection.
 

wayfarer

Moderator
Staff member
Camino(s) past & future
SJPP-Santiago-Finistera-Muxia. April/May 2012
Sarria-Santiago Sept. 2013
SJPP - Almost Orrison April 2014
Have never understood HOW they are elected or by who!
Yours aye ,
The Malingerer.
It is a long drawn out process which makes the voyages of Ulysses or the initiation of Fionn mac Cumhaill into the Fíanna look like a walk in the park, I could tell you more but...... ;)😌
 

pelerine

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Norte 10, Primitivo 13, Plata 14+15, Salvador 16, Torres 17, Portugues 18, Mozarabe 19
I love the paper version of your book, Rebekah! Not electronic....
 

davebugg

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances(2017)
Frances(2018)
Ingles(2019)
Aragones(2020)
Portuguese(2020)
Re: "Jumping the shark"

For those who may not be native English speakers up-to-date on popular culture.

The phrase "jumping the shark" originated in an old episode of the American situation comedy TV show "Happy Days". In the episode, one of the main characters ("The Fonz") literally jumped over a shark while water skiing. Fans and critics decided that this was a seminal moment in the show and represented a turning point towards decline. After that, "jumping the shark" started to be used much more widely to represent a notable moment that signaled a sharp decline in what had once been popular and liked.

As to whether any particular Camino routes or sections thereof have "jumped the shark", I leave to people's individual judgment. I am still happy with them all.
Here's a short, video clip of the episode responsible for that pop-culture reference

 

henrythedog

Loved and fed by David
Camino(s) past & future
Frances 2017, 2018, 2019, Ingles 2018, (Madrid 2019 partial - retired hurt!) (more planned)
I just noticed that this forum recently got two new staff members.
Hi @Bradypus and @C clearly ;)
Wishing you constructive and as less moderating as possible.
I’ve just noticed that moderators are ‘unignorable’ unlike we mere mortals - which makes sense, I suppose.

I admire those who do it well - it’s not a job I’d be suited for.
 

koilife

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF w/ son #1 (2013); Logrono-Leon/Salvador/Primitivo w/ son #2 (2016); Portugues w/ son #3 (2020)
Here's a short, video clip of the episode responsible for that pop-culture reference
I'll confess I never stuck with the series long enough to see that episode. Clearly my life was incomplete until now . . .
 

Jeff Crawley

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Contemplating yet another "final" Camino
but will I be fit enough for 2020?
I'll confess I never stuck with the series long enough to see that episode. Clearly my life was incomplete until now . . .
I love the story (true or not and we're sooooooooooo far off topic now) about the casting auditions when Henry Winkler, fresh from filming Lords of Flatbush, turned up in his biker jacket ad-libbing the comb and mirror scene and the casting director went "Yep, that's the Fonze!"
 

GraemeHall

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances: St-Jean-PdP - Santiago dC - Muxía - Fisterra (Aug 2017 and March/April 2018)
Suffering is part of the Camino. Suffering the insanity of the forum members is just bonus!
Not necessarily, koilife - in the nicest possible way.
My favourite Camino graffiti ever, that I try to carry into everyday life, was (in French):
La douleur est inevitable, mais la souffrance est optionelle.
Pain is inevitable, but suffering is optional.
 

koilife

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF w/ son #1 (2013); Logrono-Leon/Salvador/Primitivo w/ son #2 (2016); Portugues w/ son #3 (2020)
All due respect to the graffiti artist's poetry, you could just as easily say:
Suffering IS inevitable. Finding meaning and grace in it is optional.
which is the point he's making, and a useful and even worthy motto for life.

But isn't grounds for twisting the language into exclusive meanings.

Edit: BTW, if you want a truly insightful consideration of the entire topic, I might suggest Salvifici Doloris.
 
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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances 2017
I hadn't heard it either. But it did remind me of a piece of vaguely related trivia: the world's second largest shark is known in English as the basking shark but in Spanish it is the tiburón peregrino. 🦈
Fortunately for all Peregrinos who venture near salt water, it is a plankton eater. In my misspent youth as a commercial salmon fisherman, a basking shark inadvertently swam into our gill net in the Pacific Ocean 20 miles from Neah Bay on Washington State's northwest coast. It rolled and rolled in the net, then drowned. We towed the poor fellow, net and all, into port. It was nearly twice as long as our boat.
 

Bradypus

Antediluvian
Staff member
Camino(s) past & future
Too many and too often!
We towed the poor fellow, net and all, into port. It was nearly twice as long as our boat.
I once went out in a 12 foot dinghy in the sea off the Isle of Skye for a couple of hours fishing with the boat owner. After half an hour or so he said "Reel your line in - there's a shark coming!" I thought he was joking and said so. So he told me to turn around and look. Big dorsal fin moving very slowly straight towards the boat. So I reeled in very fast :) It cruised past only a few feet away with the pectoral fin passing under the dinghy. Dramatic!
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances 2017
Dramatic and scary! I experienced this once with a killer whale (Orca) in Puget Sound. Focuses the mind in the moment (and I was in a 30' boat!). Thank you for sharing your story, Bradypus.
 

Pamb

Active follower
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2011 & 2014). Camino Ignaciano (just to be different) (Sept 2016). Portuguese 2018
a newbie I aint!
Although I don't post much at all, I've been a member of the forum for 7 years or more. Still I have the tag "new member". I guess it's one way of not getting old
 

Bradypus

Antediluvian
Staff member
Camino(s) past & future
Too many and too often!
Although I don't post much at all, I've been a member of the forum for 7 years or more. Still I have the tag "new member". I guess it's one way of not getting old
It is a bit of a misnomer. More to do with the number of posts than time as a member. But you can change it yourself to something you think describes you better :)
 

koilife

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF w/ son #1 (2013); Logrono-Leon/Salvador/Primitivo w/ son #2 (2016); Portugues w/ son #3 (2020)
How many posts do you need and how old do they have to be to get "antediluvian"?

And how did they post back then? Carrier pigeon?
 
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NorthernLight

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Le Puy to Santiago via the Frances 2012-2013. EPW2015
Aragonese & Frances 2016
Burgos to Muxia 2017
How many posts do you need and how old do they have to be to get "antediluvian"?

And how did they post back then? Carrier pigeon?
Back around the 1840s, letters from settlers to folks back in England would be nailed to a post so that the entire community could read the news. But that’s still not old enough to be antediluvian.
 

koilife

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF w/ son #1 (2013); Logrono-Leon/Salvador/Primitivo w/ son #2 (2016); Portugues w/ son #3 (2020)
Back around the 1840s, letters from settlers to folks back in England would be nailed to a post so that the entire community could read the news. But that’s still not old enough to be antediluvian.
And "going postal" would be putting nails into the neighbor's fence or shutters?
 

Bradypus

Antediluvian
Staff member
Camino(s) past & future
Too many and too often!
How many posts do you need and how old do they have to be to get "antediluvian"?

And how did they post back then? Carrier pigeon?
Someone who walked her first Camino in 1999 described herself as a "Camino Fossil". So I wondered what would be even older than a fossil... :cool: Pigeon? Far too early for that sort of thing!
 

VNwalking

Wandering in big circles
Camino(s) past & future
Francés ('14/'15)
San Olav/CF ('16)
Baztanés/CF ('17)
Ingles ('18)
Vasco/CF/Invierno ('19)
Pigeons long postdate most fossils. ;)
I like 'Antediluvian...' but gee, @Bradypus, if the flood was only a few thousand years ago you might need to find another moniker. 🙃
 

koilife

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF w/ son #1 (2013); Logrono-Leon/Salvador/Primitivo w/ son #2 (2016); Portugues w/ son #3 (2020)
Could have been done: first using RFC 1149, and later using RFC 2549 or RFC 6214, as those of us in the Internet biz for a while may remember.
GUARD #1: What, a swallow carrying a coconut?
ARTHUR: It could grip it by the husk!
GUARD #1: It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
ARTHUR: Well, it doesn't matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here.
GUARD #1: Listen, in order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings 43 times every second, right?
ARTHUR: Please!
GUARD #1: Am I right?
ARTHUR: I'm not interested!
GUARD #2: It could be carried by an African swallow!
GUARD #1: Oh, yeah, an African swallow maybe, but not a European swallow, that's my point.
GUARD #2: Oh, yeah, I agree with that.
ARTHUR: Will you ask your master if he wants to join my court at Camelot?!
GUARD #1: But then of course African swallows are not migratory.
GUARD #2: Oh, yeah.
GUARD #1: So they couldn't bring a coconut back anyway... [clop clop]
GUARD #2: Wait a minute -- supposing two swallows carried it together?
GUARD #1: No, they'd have to have it on a line.
GUARD #2: Well, simple! They'd just use a strand of creeper!
GUARD #1: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?
GUARD #2: Well, why not?


That is this entire thread in a coconut shell!
 
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