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Discussion in 'Viejo Camino,Camino de la Montaña,Camino Olvidado' started by peregrina2000, Oct 16, 2017.

  1. peregrina2000

    peregrina2000 Moderator Staff Member Donating Member Donating Member Donating Member

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    The pictures of the Leon Olvidado Association's most recent walk shows pictures from Valdepielago to Vegacervera. From there the group will walk to Pola de Gordon and then on to La Magdalena. Absolutely beautiful mountain walking.

    https://www.facebook.com/Asociación-Leonesa-del-Camino-Olvidado-638038153073918/?hc_ref=ART3rItmE6I5QZ9Mfp7tfASg8vCUTtrMNMYG0OI7oIDQf0tdum1bkBrjWtvboQYt71c

    I had heard from Ender that he had re-marked and re-routed big chunks of the Olvidado. This is a major re-routing, so anyone considering this route and all its gorgeous mountain walking, need to find updated information on where the camino takes you. When I walked we went Cistierna - Bonar - La Robla, and the new route looks to be totally different.

    The stages shown here are what I walked: http://www.elcaminoolvidado.com/

    Anyone out there with good information?

    I would also say that these pictures absolutely make me want to go back and try the new route. With the other mountain stretch after Fasgar, this route may top the Salvador for its beautiful mountain scenery.

    and p.s. here are Ender's tracks. https://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=15178871
     
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    Did Ender say why he re-routed the path? What does the Asociacion say about that? Which is the original route walked by Hugo? Does anyone know? Does this new route offer better conditions to contemporary pilgrims?
     
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    Hi, Reb, I don't know anything about the details. And I don't know who Hugo is. The re-routing had to do with getting off asphalt and into the mountains. The day from La Robla was gruesome on the route I walked. I remember Ender telling me that there were albergues opening in some of the towns, municipally owned and operated, but I think I need to email him to see what this is all about. I will report back, thanks for the nudge.

    I don't know what the Camino Olvidado Association that is located either in Bilbao or nearby thinks about it.
    The Leon Association is apparently fine with it, since they have three advertised walks -- hey, two are still to come, so if you are feeling like it..... But in any case, I will check with Ender and see what I learn. 22449747_773416276202771_661551927792837260_n.jpg
     
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    Triple like, Laurie, thanks for this! On my list. Oh for time....
     
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    I have written to Ender and will let you know what I hear from him. In the meantime, a little google surfing has brought me to a web page that explains that this route is actually the historical one. It follows the path detailed in a document written in Latin in 902 (that's pretty early for pilgrims walking to Santiago, no?) and was translated to bable or whatever they were speaking in that area in 1002. This is a couple of centuries before the Codex, I think. The author explains that the camino took some more circuituous routes through mountains to avoid the Moors, and that of course became unnecessary after the Reconquest, explaining why the camino would have fallen out of favor as a way to get to Santiago.

    http://rsas0010.blogspot.com.es/sea...jo Camino de Santiago en la provincia de León

    There also seems to be some movement on the albergue front, one in Igüeña seems to be in the works.

    Pretty interesting, 544 km from Bilbao to a bit beyond Ponferrada (though I swung back to Ponferrada when I got to Columbrianos).
     
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    I'm on my phone so the like button isn't working. But...LIKE!
    Thanks Laurie. This sounds superb.
     
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    I have gotten some updates about what's been happening on the Olvidado. Ender's first focus was on the 25 municipalities in León where the route passes. He got them all together to form the Association that has the web page. They in turn designated him as the one who should both be in charge of determining the official route and the one to coordinate with the other provinces that the Olvidado passes through -- Vizcaya, Cantabria, Burgos and Palencia.

    The mountain stretch publicized in the announcement is one of two marked alternatives between Boñar and la Magdalena. The one through La Robla is the one I walked. The newly marked alternative is the old Roman road route through the mountain. It goes through Buiza (on the Salvador) to Pola de Gordón (also on the Salvador) and then to Magdalena through a spot called Los Calderones (google for good pics), Piedrasecha, Viñayo, Otero de las Dueñas and finally La Magdalena.

    In Boñar they are fixing up a house for an albergue, in Vegacervera there is an agreement with a youth camp that has cabins with bunk beds (10 €), there is already an albergue in Buiza. Pola de Gordón, which is a few kms down the road from Buiza, has private places. In Magdalena the old school house is going to be an albergue, and Ender got some bunk beds from an albergue in Astorga which he will bring there. Also an albergue opening in Vegarienza (which would be the next stage after Magdalena). There is a new albergue in Fasgar and an albergue in Iguena. Labaniego has a place to sleep with no shower. Congosto has nothing yet but he is workng on it. Cabañas Raras, the next stage, opens the polideportivo, and then you get to the Camino Francés, and can go either to Villafranca del Bierzo or back to Ponferada as I did.

    Other places along the route with albergues are Guardo, Puente
    Almuhey, and Cistierna.

    When I walked in 2014, the only albergues were in Cistierna and La Robla (and they had nothing to do with the Camino Olvidado -- one is on the Vadiniense, the other on the Salvador), so this is a pretty mind blowing development.

    But those of us who saw how the Salvador developed from zero thanks to Ender and his little band of angels will not be surprised.

    If you are looking for something along the lines of the Salvador-Primitivo, this could be just the thing.

    I will be getting a list of accommodations, stages, bars, etc, and will post it also.
     
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    this looks amazing, thanks for the updating, laurie! the number of albergues opening up on the route is astounding. and having an original document of such date...
    the oficial name is then camino olvidado, not anymore camino viejo or de la montana?

    it looks like I will have to go back! :) (and just when I decided then my next caminho is going to be in portugal, too.)
     
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    Hi, caminka, those are my thoughts exactly! In fact, I'm thinking 2019 would be a good year. 2018 will be Almería to Cáceres on the Mozárabe. I do have several routes on the top of my list (Torres, Caminho Portugues Interior, Serrana), but I think I may push the Olvidado to the top.

    The León Association and the one near Bilbao have both been using Camino Olvidado.

    I will post the accommodation lists when Ender sends them. He was out of town last time we communicated. Buen camino, Laurie
     
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    I hope they stick with Camino Olvidado. It's such a romantic name!
     
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    that is cool, I really like that name too.
    it may have started the contest for my top camino as well. :)

    perhaps we can delegate the name Viejo Camino to the route from Pamplona to Salvatierra-Aguarin on Ruta del Tunel, which follows a roman road that run through the valley of Araquil.
    I did a quick look around the accommodation options and there are albergues in camping Arbizu near Arbizu, in camping Erxarri near Erxarri-Aranatz, and albergue juvenil in Altsasua. this leaves the first day without a budget option, but perhaps the pilgrim friendly casa rural in Hiriberi where I stayed is still operational. lots of hostales, casas rurales and apartamentos.
    plus, there are (at least) two ermitas de santiago, and monasterio de zamartze with attested hospital, roman road, and graves with scallops. (and a possible option for sleeping, as I did.)
     
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    I was going to ask about the Camino Olvidado and have just discovered this thread! Is this camino very difficult to walk? Accommodation - albergues or other - at reasonable distances (whatever "reasonable" may be)?
     
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    Hi, pelerine,
    I walked this route in 2014. There is a link to my blog below this post. I also posted information about my stages. https://www.caminodesantiago.me/com...dado-viejo-camino-camino-de-la-montaña.28456/

    This was the first camino I ever used a GPS for, and there were several occasions when I really needed it. I think the marking has improved substantially since I went, though, so it may not be so necessary now. As this thread indicates, there are lots more albergues now, and you can compare my stages with the albergues to see how you could walk it with fewer pensiones than I had to use.

    I still haven't gotten the documents Ender promised to send me, so I will nudge him and post when I can. It is a very beautiful camino, and with these two new mountain stages (in terrain that is very close to the prettiest part of the Salvador), I am hankering to go back! Buen camino, Laurie
     
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    Hi peregrina2000!
    Thank you very much for your reply. I will have a look at your blog a little later (have just noticed your blogs given under your post - seems quite a lot to look at!) It is not really urgent right now, because next year's walk is planned; but it has moved to the top of the list of the walks I would like to do in the future. There is always the worry about whether one is physically up to it. I walked the San Salvador last year and Torres this year with the solution of occasionally halving a stage which was too much by taking a taxi back to where I had come from. This then took me back to the pick-up point the following day. Organizing a taxi in the middle of nowhere is of course another matter....
     
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    For those of you who use GPS tracks on solitary caminos, Ender has posted tracks for the entire Camino Olvidado. Go to wikilocs and look for the user "enderjace." The search box automatically brings up a search for trails, but if you click on user above it, you can search for users.

    I will post the documents he sent me when I am back at my computer next week, but for now I can only encourage you to take a look at this camino because it is really a special one.
     
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    Brillant! Thank you so much!
     
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    Apologies if I’ve missed the answer to this query, but could someone clarify the key similarities/differences between these three camino trails, eg., where does each start finish, are there stretches common to more than one of them, what are the major towns to look for on the map, etc.
    Also, it would be good to know if there are any stretches that would be of particular concern to a pilgrim with a fear of ridge walks, sheer drops, or similar. ( n.b. walking in the mountains per se -including the primitivo and salvador - is not an issue).
    My reason for asking is that I am interested in walking through the Picos de Europa to Santiago next Spring + would benefit from a bit of help to be clear about the route(s) to research in detail, and to extract best value from the contributions already provided. Muchas gracias!
     
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    Hi,

    I think Olvidado is the term most commonly used to describe the camino from Bilbao through Aguilar de Campoo and Cervera de Pisuerga until merging with the Camino Francés at either Columbrianos or further west in Molinaseca.

    I think that Caminka's idea about Viejo Camino is a good one:
    perhaps we can delegate the name Viejo Camino to the route from Pamplona to Salvatierra-Aguarin on Ruta del Tunel, which follows a roman road that run through the valley of Araquil.

    But I don't know who gets to designate the names. I do think Olvidado is more frequently used for the route Ender and co. are working on. My blog (linked below this post) and my thread on this subforum describe my walk on what everyone seems to be calling the Camino Olvidado.

    There are two new mountain stages that I haven't done, but the route I did walk had mountain stages but nothing that I would say is more steep than the Salvador.
     
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    Hi, Pelerine,
    Here are the most up to date documents for the Camino Olvidado (at least, that I know of). Hope they are helpful. Another big thanks to Ender, and I would love to hear if any forum members decide to walk this route. Buen camino, Laurie
     

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    Thank you, Peregrina! Do these tracks follow the new routing?
    I am thinking of walking this camino in 2019....
     
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    Hi, pelerine,
    By "these tracks" do you mean the ones that I posted a link to in the first post of this thread? Those are Ender's tracks, and they look pretty much like what he has described.

    But based on a quick comparison with my Olvidado GPS tracks (which you can find on wikiloc if you look for the user peregrina2000), there is one other major difference in addition to the new mountain alternative.

    Specifically between Guardo and Puente Almuhey, there is a BIG loop that also has a steep ascent. Must be another beautiful mountain alternative. I just walked straight alongside the highway between those two towns and it was grim. But I'm not sure how it affects the staging, because I walked Guardo to Velilla Sanctuary, and that would be quite a long haul with that diversion.

    One other thing -- in my very limited experience of using GPS tracks, I have found that it is a much better idea to download tracks whose distances are shorter. This one is the whole Camino Olvidado from Bilbao to Villafranca, about 545 kms. My GPS is limited to 500 "points" on any track. When I download a 30 km stage, wikiloc usually has to reduce the number of "points" to 500. This tells me that if I were to download a 545 km track and only have 500 points, I would have one point per km, which would make things very unclear. I don't know if this makes any sense, but it has to do with how much detail the GPS can handle.

    I think I might be headed back that way in 2019 as well, so we may well coincide! Buen camino, Laurie

    Edited to add this p.s. Susanna and I wrote up a "guide" of sorts in 2014. You can download it here in the Resources section: https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/resources/categories/camino-olvidado.47/
     
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    Thank you, Peregrina! I have included this latest post in my planning notes on the Ovidado. And who knows, maybe we meet in 2019...
     
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    thanks, laurie!
     
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    About the stretch between Guardo and Puente Almuhey. I asked Ender about the big loop that some of the GPS tracks show. When I walked the arrows just took me for 13 km alongside the road, and it was NOT fun.

    But he says that the route, though it is the historic camino, is not recommended. Tough ascent, no towns, not as pretty as the other newly marked mountain stages. Ender's advice is usually spot on.

    He also says that they have gotten some snow and are hoping for huge amounts this winter because the drought in the whole Salvador/Olvidado area in León is very serious.
     
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    Thank you, peregrina! Have taken note!
     

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