No really, how do I optimize my pack?

[allykat]

Hey guys,
I am a heavy duty planner. My first Camino happened because I was doing the pack planning and trip/route planning (as well as plane ticket purchasing) for two friends planning on going who said "You are doing so much work planning, you should join us!". I have never regretted this decision. It has changed my life and is now going to be included in my wedding plans. My Fiance has said he'd like to Walk the Way with me! We are walking 2016 June 18th -> Saint James Day.

But, here is the thing:
Camino #1, I was the quintessential paranoid packer. I KNEW weight was an issue, but I was more than willing to deal with extra weight if it meant safety for my team, so I packed extra water, carried tons of food, MY LAPTOP (long story) Kindle, Camera, Smartphone, Chargers, Shampoo, Laundry Soap... you get the picture. By the end, weighing my pack put me at 15-16kg! I am an overwieght 5'3" female! After shipping some stuff ahead to Santiago, it got better, but I still had a heavy wilderness sleeping back and other unnecessary items.

SO MY QUESTION IS..

I have weighed and categorized everything I intend to buy, or overestimated weights on things I cannot find a measurement for. I have searched and searched for ways to get my pack weight below 10kg FSO (From Skin Out) but I am having some serious trouble. I can't seem to find ways to do what others suggest for the pack weight they get. Here is my list:

Backpack..................................1.50kg (from last Camino)
Water Resevoir (w/Water).......2.10kg (from last Camino)
Sleeping Bag Liner...................0.14kg
Sleeping Pad.............................0.40kg
Blanket.....................................0.67kg
Sandals.....................................0.68kg (from last Camino)
Boots........................................0.73kg
Towel.......................................0.19kg (from last Camino)
Clothing...................................1.95kg (I can list these out if necessary)
Clothes Compression Sack.......0.18kg
1/2 Bar Laundry Soap..............0.03kg
3,5oz Lush Shower Bar............0.10kg
Sunscreen Bottle......................0.10kg
Toothbrush/Paste Combo........0.03kg
Razor........................................0.05kg
Voltarol Gel..............................0.10kg
Antibacterial Cream.................0.10kg
Bandage/Moleskin/Compeed..0.15kg (I am slightly blister prone)
Clothesline & Pin.....................0.03kg (Probably a luxury? But I am tired of socks flying away in the wind!)
Needles & Thread....................0.01kg
Knife........................................0.15
Travel Spork............................0.02kg (from last Camino)
Headlamp................................0.11kg (from last Camino)
Waterproof Sack......................0.11kg
Kindle & Charger.....................0.50kg (I know... maybe if I get a better smartphone?)
Iphone & Charger....................0.25kg
Plug Adapter............................0.03kg

This brings my total FSO Packweight to 10.44kg before food.
I SHOULD weigh around 57kg (currently working down from 70kg), which means my pack weight FSO should be as close to 8.55kg as possible (15%) and I am allowing for a little wiggle room since I carry 2L of water as I require more hydration than most people. But 10.34kg and then including the days food puts me at OVER 20% on FSO.

So, what I am trying to figure out is... I managed the Camino with a 12-15kg pack, but it wasn't easy and I couldn't keep up with really ANYONE. So, I need a lighter pack if I want to enjoy the Camino with my Fiance and our wedding group. How do I do it? Do I forfeit the Tech blanket, even though there is a good chance I might sleep outside? Do I nix the headlamp for a cheap maglite? Do I swallow my paranoia and ditch the Kindle? (I used it SO MUCH on my last Camino) Are my clothes to heavy? I know my pack is heavy, but I really love its comfort level for me, but should I move to a smaller/lighter pack?

What do you tell people who are trying to keep their pack weight low? How do we justify all the small little things we forget to weigh (life bandaids and ibufen gel) that we pick up along The Way? Am I being too anal about my pack weight? HELP!

 

[Bajaracer]

Nothing wrong with being OCD about pack weight, you're the one carrying all that weight.
I started at 11kg (pack itself) with a 46L pack and by the end I was down to 8kg.
For my second Camino I downsized to a 30L pack and ditched more stuff and got my pack weight down to 6.4kg.
Leave the Kindle, you already have an iPhone.
Leave the sleeping pad, blanket, head lamp, spork, and (get shower shoes) sandals. leaving these six items are 2.38kgs.
Buying a smaller pack will also reduce your weight.
List your clothing, there is probably more you can shave off as well.

 

[SYates]

Ok, here my thoughts to some items, the ones I have nothing to say to, I left out. I assume we are speaking about walking the Camino Frances here?

Water Resevoir (w/Water).......2.10kg (from last Camino)
Most of the time you will not need to fill it completely. So that weight can go easily down to 0,5-1kg depending on which stage you are on. Depending on how heavy your water reservoir is empty, you might consider just taking two 1l plastic/soda bottles. Easily purchased on arrival. Drink the soda and fill the next day with water. Exchange when necessary.

Sleeping Pad.............................0.40kg Are you planing to sleep outside? If yes, take it, if not replace it with one of these very thing alu and foam mats (140g) to have a nice mat for picnics ect.

Sleeping Bag Liner...................0.14kg and Blanket.....................................0.67kg I guess you mean this to be your sleeping bag? You could get a lightweight summer sleeping bag that weights 500-600g

Sandals.....................................0.68kg (from last Camino) Too heavy, crogs or flip-flops are enough in summer. Unless you need them also for walking during the day.

Clothing...................................1.95kg (I can list these out if necessary) Might be good to do that, the weight looks about right, but just to be sure that you haven't forgotten something. Important item in summer: HAT!

Clothes Compression Sack.......0.18kg Why?

1/2 Bar Laundry Soap..............0.03kg and 3,5oz Lush Shower Bar............0.10kg Find one soap/gel to wash everything, pilgrim and clothes. Also 3g laundry soap is anyway a bit small.

Razor........................................0.05kg If you must, or you just stop shaving your legs.

Clothesline & Pin.....................0.03kg (Probably a luxury? But I am tired of socks flying away in the wind!) Clothesline is optional, but 6-10 safety pins are very useful.

Travel Spork............................0.02kg (from last Camino) Only if you are addicted to joghurt or similar, if not, the knife is enough for cutting cheese and chorizo.

Headlamp................................0.11kg (from last Camino) If you must, I never used nor missed one.

Waterproof Sack......................0.11kg - A simple, but thick rubbish bag might be lighter and cheaper.

Kindle & Charger.....................0.50kg (I know... maybe if I get a better smartphone?) and Iphone & Charger....................0.25kg Put the free Kindle app on your iPhone and leave the Kindle and its charger at home.

Hope that helps, Buen Camino! SY

 

[Anemone del Camino]

SO MY QUESTION IS..

I have weighed and categorized everything I intend to buy, or overestimated weights on things I cannot find a measurement for. I have searched and searched for ways to get my pack weight below 10kg FSO (From Skin Out) but I am having some serious trouble. I can't seem to find ways to do what others suggest for the pack weight they get. Here is my list:

Backpack..................................1.50kg (from last Camino)
HELP![/QUOTE]
Here's what I would remove:

Water Resevoir (w/Water).......2.10kg - on CF you do not need 2kg at a time except when getting to Najera and on the 1 day on the Meseta. The rest of the time you can get buy with a half liter or litter at a time.

Sleeping Pad.............................0.40kg
Blanket.....................................0.67kg - most albergues now have these for pilgrims to use. Or bring those thin one given out at promotional events. Super light and inexpensive.
Clothes Compression Sack.......0.18kg
Razor ....
Voltarol Gel..............................0.10kg - buy it there if you need it
Bandage/Moleskin/Compeed..0.15kg (I am slightly blister prone)
Knife........................................0.15
Travel Spork............................0.02kg (from last Camino)
Headlamp................................0.11kg (from last Camino)
Waterproof Sack......................0.11kg
Kindle and charger

What about the breakdown of your clothese? Anything in there that could be modified?
I also notice you do not include rain gear other than for your backpack.

 

[dougfitz]

@allykat, I am not sure I follow your thinking on your weight targets here. At 1.6m (5ft 3in) your BMI 25 body mass would be 64 kg. Getting down to that would put you at the upper end of the normal weight range. Even at your current weight, your BMI is about 27.3. While it might be good to lose some weight, I am not sure why you have chosen 57 kg as your target weight.

On the basis of a 20% FSO and 64 kg walking weight, you have a FSO target of 12.8 kg. Allowing about 2kg for what you might be wearing regularly (ie less rain gear and any warm gear) your pack weight target would be 10.8 kg with food and water. On the basis that your current bare pack (ie without food and water) appears to be about 8.5 kg, you seem to have about 2.3 kg to allocate to these items.

By the same logic, if you were keen to base your targets on an assumed 57 kg walking weight, you would have an FSO target of 11.4 kg, and with a 2 kg clothing allowance, a pack weight target of 9.4kg. With your current load list, you appear to have about 0.9 kg free for food and water, and might want more of a margin for that.

@SYates has already identified some quick weight savings. Here are some of mine:

• Towel.......................................0.19kg (from last Camino) use two face cloths, one to wash and initial dry, the other to do a final dry. 40-45 gm each in separate ziploc bags. Save 100 gm.
• Clothes Compression Sack.......0.18kg if needed for organisation, consider the new ultrasil 1/2 packing cells at about 25gm for small items. Save 150 gm.
• 1/2 Bar Laundry Soap..............0.03kg and 3,5oz Lush Shower Bar............0.10kg find a good all purpose wash concentrate or use soap flakes. Save 50-100 gm or more.
• Bandage/Moleskin/Compeed..0.15kg (I am slightly blister prone) this seems excessive. Have enough for a couple of days max and learn to do a preventative taping of the blister prone areas with medical grade paper tape like 3M's Micropore. If you use a heavier grade fabric take like Omniplast or Leukoplast, get rid of the plastic packaging. Save up to 100 gm.
• Knife........................................0.15 this seems excessive. Think about a simple single knife like the Opinel, Petzl or a simpler Victorinox. None of these should be more than about 50 gm. Save 100 gm.
• Travel Spork............................0.02kg (from last Camino) - a good plastic spoon will be less than 5 gm.
• Headlamp................................0.11kg (from last Camino) - again - seems excessive. A simple single AAA cell torch (eg MAG Solitaire) will be enough in albergues and should weight less than 30 gm. Saving about 80 gm. There are lighter weight simple torches available.
  
• Waterproof Sack......................0.11kg Not sure what purpose this might serve.
• Kindle & Charger.....................0.50kg (I know... maybe if I get a better smartphone?) If you need to save weight, this is a good place to start. Save 500 gm.

All up, this at least 1.3 kg of weight shaving that could be done by using items more sharply focussed on your Camino needs than those you currently have on your list. There is little in there that is necessarily going to be very expensive to change. For example, you can normally get fair quality microfibre cloths in the dishwashing section of the supermarket for a few dollars. Getting a high quality face cloth from a specialist outdoors retailer can cost many times that, and it comes in a completely useless mesh bag that you will pay for but won't use. I know. I have both!

 

[ebrandt]

Backpack..................................1.50kg (from last Camino)
Water Resevoir (w/Water).......2.10kg (from last Camino)
Sleeping Bag Liner...................0.14kg
Sleeping Pad.............................0.40kg
Blanket.....................................0.67kg
Sandals.....................................0.68kg (from last Camino)
Boots........................................0.73kg
Towel.......................................0.19kg (from last Camino)
Clothing...................................1.95kg (I can list these out if necessary)
Clothes Compression Sack.......0.18kg
1/2 Bar Laundry Soap..............0.03kg
3,5oz Lush Shower Bar............0.10kg
Sunscreen Bottle......................0.10kg
Toothbrush/Paste Combo........0.03kg
Razor........................................0.05kg
Voltarol Gel..............................0.10kg
Antibacterial Cream.................0.10kg
Bandage/Moleskin/Compeed..0.15kg (I am slightly blister prone)
Clothesline & Pin.....................0.03kg (Probably a luxury? But I am tired of socks flying away in the wind!)
Needles & Thread....................0.01kg
Knife........................................0.15
Travel Spork............................0.02kg (from last Camino)
Headlamp................................0.11kg (from last Camino)
Waterproof Sack......................0.11kg
Kindle & Charger.....................0.50kg (I know... maybe if I get a better smartphone?)
Iphone & Charger....................0.25kg
Plug Adapter............................0.03kg

Thought Id add my 2 cents also.
1. On the water, I would keep it as is. I drink a lot. Its difficult to refill a resevoir duirng the day. I assume you are carrying it because you don't want to fuss with water bottles. So I would count the full 2L in my weight.
2. Bag liner, pad and blanket. Overkill. Why the pad -- are you sleeping outside? I would forget it. Also the blanket. Most albergues have blankets if your bag liner isn't warm enough. Otherwise, if you sleep in your clothes once or twice, so what?
3. Your sandals seem heavy. Are they Tevas or something like that? It might be worth it if you need them as back up walking shoes because of blisters. If so go ahead and take the good heavy duty sandals. Otherwise, find something lighter! We used New Balance Minimus barefoot runners which were 8 oz. In a real pinch we could have walked in them also. They were 8 oz which I think is less than half the weight of your sandals.
4. Clothes Compression sack. Like others I say why? If you are doing this for organization check out the sea to summit ultra lightweight stuff sacks.
5. Laundry soap/shower bar. Like others I say find one. I used bar of Dr. Bronners. It worked for both personal and landry purposes.
6. I would work on reducing the size of your 1st aid stuff. Like the voltorol ge. Unless you have chronic joing pain, why not just buy somethng if and when you need it? Obviously the blister stuff is necessary but you seem to be taking overlapping stuff. Think about your blister system, choose a product and get rid of the rest. I might also advise checking out the "Camino First Aid" ebook for medical evidence based advice on preventing and treating blisters.
7. Waterproof sack. Why?
7. Kindle, iphone chargers, adapters. Pick one. The kindle and iphone do the same things -- at least they overlap. You cah skype and use internet phone on the kindle if you want a bigger screen for reading or blogging. Otherwise take the phone. Get the european plug in for your ipone charger base and lose the separate adapter. If you take the iphone charger with the european plug you can use that for your kindle too.

Buen Camino -- and I am a crazy planner too! Liz

 

[t2andreo]

SYates and DougFitz are packing experts and veteran pilgrims. I would mind their opinions closely. I echo their recommendations in full.

To try to add value to this exchange, I would recommend you consider the clothing items. At a maximum, FSO, I recommend three changes of undergarments, socks (3 outer and 3 inner liners), one long sleeve fleece Polar Tec 200 level loft (I prefer a zip front), one waterproof parka-shell with pit zips to vent perspiration, two pair zip-off leg trousers. I also bring one pair of fingerless microfiber fishing gloves with grippy things in the palms, and a "Buff" for warmth. Absent a Buff, you can use a runner's skull cap. Mine is neon yellow. Bring a broad-brimmed hat for sun protection and to wear under a poncho or rain parka hood to keep rain off your eyes. I usually have both a ball cap and a lightweight "boonie" hat with me.

In cold, windy, rainy weather (typical along the Camino Frances) even in May, I wear the buff under my ball cap, and under my poncho hood. I wear the poncho OVER my rain parka with open pit-zips, fleece, and clothing. I also wear the microfiber fishing gloves with no fingers to use with my walking poles. Remember, being warm and wet (through sweat or rain) is not bad. However, being cold and wet is very bad.

Bringing more than three changes of shirts and undergarments is wasteful IMHO. You wear one set, you have one set completely dry, and the third set that was just hand-washed and is hopefully dry. If it is not fully dry (and this happens a lot), you have an extra day to get it dry before you will need to wear it in rotation.

Some folks advise taking only two sets of everything, one set worn and one set for the next day. But this assumes the sun always shines and you never lose anything along the way. Personally, I consider that over-optimistic. While you do need to plan for the possible, do not over-do it. I started with four sets of stuff. I learned on my first Camino that three was the right number for me.

I hope this helps.

 

[allykat]

I'm heading off to Japanese class right now, and will post the clothing list when I return. All of this information has been great!

A couple things; I really like my reservoir as oddly enough, it kept my water cooler in my backpack than those who complained about fussing with bottles that ended up warm in the sun... but I like the idea of only putting a L in it if I know I'm going to cross a town where there is water closer. I just remember on the meseta using every drop!

For the bag liner, blanket and pad, yeah, this is more of my worrying. I figure I could get away with just a liner in summer, or buy the nice light sleeping bags. I just ended up suddenly sleeping a couple nights outside and on hard concrete floors last year, and it was VERY uncomfortable without a pad, so I'll look into the lighter tin type ones.

And @dougfitz I am guessing you are right, because your numbers make more sense than mine, I'm converting from lbs and it makes figuring out pack weights and ideal weights a little confusing. I was always told I should be at 125lb (~57kg) but I've NEVER been that skinny in my whole life, I have been 60kg before, and felt amazing there, so getting down to that level with a good amount of muscle mass should be my ideal goal. That puts the numbers at closer to what I'm thinking.

I am LOVING your guys' insight. As I said, I'll post the clothes in a few hours!

 

[kellyz]

Nothing wrong with being OCD about pack weight, you're the one carrying all that weight.
I started at 11kg (pack itself) with a 46L pack and by the end I was down to 8kg.
For my second Camino I downsized to a 30L pack and ditched more stuff and got my pack weight down to 6.4kg.
Leave the Kindle, you already have an iPhone.
Leave the sleeping pad, blanket, head lamp, spork, and (get shower shoes) sandals. leaving these six items are 2.38kgs.
Buying a smaller pack will also reduce your weight.
List your clothing, there is probably more you can shave off as well.

Bajaracer,
Can you post your packing list for 6.4kg, or direct me to where you may have already posted it? Thanks!
Kelly

 

[Bajaracer]

Bajaracer,
Can you post your packing list for 6.4kg, or direct me to where you may have already posted it? Thanks!
Kelly

PM'd you my packing list.

 

[SYates]

PM'd you my packing list.

Please, don't only pm it, post it here for the benefit of everyone! SY

 

[Bajaracer]

Please, don't only pm it, post it here for the benefit of everyone! SY

Wearing:
L/S button up shirt (Mountain Hardwear)
Mountain Khakis Granite Creek long pants and nylon money belt
Mountain Hardwear Sun hat
New Balance trail runners with smart wool socks.
Wallet in a sturdy zip loc bag along with passport, credential
Unlocked iPhone 5 with Spanish SIM card with data

Here is my packing list:
Pack: Gregory Z30 (REI)

Trekking poles: Black Diamond Ultra Distance trekking poles (Ebay)
1 pr. flip flops
silk sleeping bag liner (Ebay)
Altus poncho
Marmot Pre-Cip rain jacket
Notebook with pen
Apple EU iPad charger with Lightning cable, ear buds.
http://www.tmart.com/Universal-AC-P...r-iPhone-iPad-iPod-White-EU-Plug_p186614.html
1 pr. quick dry cargo shorts (Mountain Khakis Granite Creek)
3 prs. smartwool socks
2 ex-offico underwear
1 L/S button up quick dry hiking shirt (Mountain Hardwear)
1 quick dry t-shirt for sleeping (Under Armor)
large microfiber terry towel cut in half (had a tailor shop sew up the cut ends)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/McNett-Tact...240?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35d84a2fc8
1 camping microfiber wash cloth
Laundry kit consisting of 12 plastic clothes pins, 4 diaper pins (Babies R Us), tube of Norit Viaje (like woolite bought in Spain) and a small nail brush.
small sewing kit
10ft of nylon paracord (can be used for shoe laces and inner strands for sewing as needed
Large stick of body glide for feet (REI)
two 500ml nalgene water bottles with plastic carabiners to clip onto the side pockets
one TSA sized bag with personal hygiene items of your choice.
everything except the poles and flip flops were packed into three dry bags, 2 med and 1 large
http://www.proforceequipment.com/product-details.php?id=230&catid=28

Total weight of this pack with full water bottles comes in at 6.5kg.
Packing 10% of your body weight is easy, getting it under 10% takes some work, I estimate my pack at 7% of my body weight.

I live in a desert environment, I chose to wear long pants and sleeves with a sun hat during the day, and went to shorts, t-shirt, and flip flops after I showered at the albergue.
You could tell the people who wore tank tops and shorts during the day, they got the life sucked out of them by exposing their skin, I know I didn't feel as exhausted because I covered up.

 

[dougfitz]

And @dougfitz I am guessing you are right, because your numbers make more sense than mine, I'm converting from lbs and it makes figuring out pack weights and ideal weights a little confusing. I was always told I should be at 125lb (~57kg) but I've NEVER been that skinny in my whole life, I have been 60kg before, and felt amazing there, so getting down to that level with a good amount of muscle mass should be my ideal goal. That puts the numbers at closer to what I'm thinking.

I know the feeling. I'm not trying to contradict any medical advice you have about your weight, but do think that using your BMI=25 weight for pack weight planning is reasonable.

I generally make two observations about pack weight which haven't been explicitly touched on yet:

• targets are just that. There is no absolute limit which if you exceed the world falls apart. You already know the impacts of carrying a far heavier pack.
• to travel far, or fast, pack less. Long distances and shorter walking days are only really possible when you get your pack weight down. Its clearly easier to do this in the warmer months, where there is less need for warm gear and it is possible to use lighter weight rain and wind protection.

A couple of asides:

• the water debate will never end. I have carried 3 li and more, and I am able to walk the whole day with that on more remote walks. I walked the CI with a 2 li bladder and needed to refill it by lunchtime every day. Even then, I was showing some signs of minor dehydration. If you know how much you need to consume so that you don't get dehydrated, you should be carrying enough to support that consumption rate between your planned stops. The less you carry, the more likely you are to need to stop at every opportunity to replenish your water.
• the discussion on two vs three sets of gear is also ongoing. I cop out a bit, and carry two full sets of middle layer clothes (trousers and shirt), three sets of base layer (liner socks and socks, underpants and tee shirts) and one of outer layer (light fleece, rain jacket, rain pants and gaiters). My cop out is an extra pair of shorts that I wear in the albergues and to bed.

 

[PANO]

Forget the Headlamp....there is an app for that.

 

[allykat]

Wow! So much good information!

I think I probably should have clarified that I like some creature comforts over lighter packs. But, I guess you guys already assumed I'd be taking some advice and leaving others! With regards to my camp towel, I know it's heavier than I need, but I liked the option of wrapping it around me whilst I change, and that it gets my incredibly thick hair dry much quicker and easier than a cloth would. (I know, only so much you can assist when you don't know me and my struggles personally) Thinking about it now, I realized I forgot to put a comb into the weight... oy vey!

Here is my clothing packing list, though keep in mind I marked most things with a * meaning, I estimated the weight cause I haven't been able to find it:

Jacket w/ fleece (Rain & Warmth).............1.02kg http://www.rei.com/product/872444/the-north-face-thermoball-snow-triclimate-3-in-1-jacket-womens
*Exofficio Underwear (3 pair).....................0.06kg
*Wrightsock socks (3 pair)..........................0.08kg
*Sports Bras (2 total)...................................0.09kg
*Tight Capri Pants(2 Pair)............................0.24kg
Macabi Skirt (L-Reg length).......................0.28kg
*Tech T-shirt................................................0.06kg
*Tech Long Shirt..........................................0.09kg
*Exofficio Camisole......................................0.03kg
*Scarf (I don't wear hats well)......................0.04kg (Added cause I didn't have this included before!)
TOTAL WEIGHT........................................1.99kg

I am betting I could find a lighter rain coat/fleece combo (I deducted a bit from the weight since I'd take out the snow skirt). That would bring the clothing weight down a bit.

I am having a hard time finding a good quality sleeping pad less than 0.41kg. Any links to companies that make a sturdy product that's lighter? Or is that the lightest I'll get?

 

[cher99840]

I took a length of plain muslin for a towel. It was lighter than my tech towel, was amazingly absorbant and dried quickly. I picked that tip up on this forum somewhere. I used my macabi for that after shower trick you plan to use the towel for. I could come from the shower with my macabi pulled up over the girls and completely dress while retaining adequate modesty. I took only one pair of exofficio hiking trousers and the macabi for my second. The underpants dry quickly and I had only two pair with me. The ones I wore and the clean pair in my pack. The weight is negligible however for that extra pair, so if it makes you comfortable, fine. I did not take a knife and didn't miss one. I did take a small pair of folding scissors that cut the tape for wrapping my toes and any stubborn snack wrappers. The scissors travel on the plane with no problem and they are much lighter than the knife I left at home.

 

[Bajaracer]

Wow! So much good information!

I think I probably should have clarified that I like some creature comforts over lighter packs. But, I guess you guys already assumed I'd be taking some advice and leaving others! With regards to my camp towel, I know it's heavier than I need, but I liked the option of wrapping it around me whilst I change, and that it gets my incredibly thick hair dry much quicker and easier than a cloth would. (I know, only so much you can assist when you don't know me and my struggles personally) Thinking about it now, I realized I forgot to put a comb into the weight... oy vey!

Here is my clothing packing list, though keep in mind I marked most things with a * meaning, I estimated the weight cause I haven't been able to find it:

Jacket w/ fleece (Rain & Warmth).............1.02kg http://www.rei.com/product/872444/the-north-face-thermoball-snow-triclimate-3-in-1-jacket-womens
*Exofficio Underwear (3 pair).....................0.06kg
*Wrightsock socks (3 pair)..........................0.08kg
*Sports Bras (2 total)...................................0.09kg
*Tight Capri Pants(2 Pair)............................0.24kg
Macabi Skirt (L-Reg length).......................0.28kg
*Tech T-shirt................................................0.06kg
*Tech Long Shirt..........................................0.09kg
*Exofficio Camisole......................................0.03kg
*Scarf (I don't wear hats well)......................0.04kg (Added cause I didn't have this included before!)
TOTAL WEIGHT........................................1.99kg

I am betting I could find a lighter rain coat/fleece combo (I deducted a bit from the weight since I'd take out the snow skirt). That would bring the clothing weight down a bit.

I am having a hard time finding a good quality sleeping pad less than 0.41kg. Any links to companies that make a sturdy product that's lighter? Or is that the lightest I'll get?

Your pack will be heavy because you won't leave stuff out, simple as that.
Fear is causing you to carry more than you want to carry, till you let go of that fear, your pack will stay heavy.

 

[Anemone del Camino]

Hey guys,
I am a heavy duty planner. My first Camino happened because I was doing the pack planning and trip/route planning (as well as plane ticket purchasing) for two friends planning on going who said "You are doing so much work planning, you should join us!". I have never regretted this decision. It has changed my life and is now going to be included in my wedding plans. My Fiance has said he'd like to Walk the Way with me! We are walking 2016 June 18th -> Saint James Day.

But, here is the thing:
Camino #1, I was the quintessential paranoid packer. I KNEW weight was an issue, but I was more than willing to deal with extra weight if it meant safety for my team, so I packed extra water, carried tons of food, MY LAPTOP (long story) Kindle, Camera, Smartphone, Chargers, Shampoo, Laundry Soap... you get the picture. By the end, weighing my pack put me at 15-16kg! I am an overwieght 5'3" female! After shipping some stuff ahead to Santiago, it got better, but I still had a heavy wilderness sleeping back and other unnecessary items.

SO MY QUESTION IS..

I have weighed and categorized everything I intend to buy, or overestimated weights on things I cannot find a measurement for. I have searched and searched for ways to get my pack weight below 10kg FSO (From Skin Out) but I am having some serious trouble. I can't seem to find ways to do what others suggest for the pack weight they get. Here is my list:

Backpack..................................1.50kg (from last Camino)
Water Resevoir (w/Water).......2.10kg (from last Camino)
Sleeping Bag Liner...................0.14kg
Sleeping Pad.............................0.40kg
Blanket.....................................0.67kg
Sandals.....................................0.68kg (from last Camino)
Boots........................................0.73kg
Towel.......................................0.19kg (from last Camino)
Clothing...................................1.95kg (I can list these out if necessary)
Clothes Compression Sack.......0.18kg
1/2 Bar Laundry Soap..............0.03kg
3,5oz Lush Shower Bar............0.10kg
Sunscreen Bottle......................0.10kg
Toothbrush/Paste Combo........0.03kg
Razor........................................0.05kg
Voltarol Gel..............................0.10kg
Antibacterial Cream.................0.10kg
Bandage/Moleskin/Compeed..0.15kg (I am slightly blister prone)
Clothesline & Pin.....................0.03kg (Probably a luxury? But I am tired of socks flying away in the wind!)
Needles & Thread....................0.01kg
Knife........................................0.15
Travel Spork............................0.02kg (from last Camino)
Headlamp................................0.11kg (from last Camino)
Waterproof Sack......................0.11kg
Kindle & Charger.....................0.50kg (I know... maybe if I get a better smartphone?)
Iphone & Charger....................0.25kg
Plug Adapter............................0.03kg

This brings my total FSO Packweight to 10.44kg before food.
I SHOULD weigh around 57kg (currently working down from 70kg), which means my pack weight FSO should be as close to 8.55kg as possible (15%) and I am allowing for a little wiggle room since I carry 2L of water as I require more hydration than most people. But 10.34kg and then including the days food puts me at OVER 20% on FSO.

So, what I am trying to figure out is... I managed the Camino with a 12-15kg pack, but it wasn't easy and I couldn't keep up with really ANYONE. So, I need a lighter pack if I want to enjoy the Camino with my Fiance and our wedding group. How do I do it? Do I forfeit the Tech blanket, even though there is a good chance I might sleep outside? Do I nix the headlamp for a cheap maglite? Do I swallow my paranoia and ditch the Kindle? (I used it SO MUCH on my last Camino) Are my clothes to heavy? I know my pack is heavy, but I really love its comfort level for me, but should I move to a smaller/lighter pack?

What do you tell people who are trying to keep their pack weight low? How do we justify all the small little things we forget to weigh (life bandaids and ibufen gel) that we pick up along The Way? Am I being too anal about my pack weight? HELP!

 

[Anemone del Camino]

I cannot wait to see the final list. What is that saying about camels and decision making by committees? ;0)

 

[Anemone del Camino]

or buy the nice light sleeping bags.

Rather than carrying blankies or a heavier sleeping bag, what about Merino longjohns and longsleeve T you can wear under rain pants or other clothes if it gets cold (been there, done that, May of 2012 - record cold in Europe!) and wear them as PJs when it is not cold. For cold nights the albugue is likely to have blankets - or run to the nearest pension ;0)

 

[allykat]

I cannot wait to see the final list. What is that saying about camels and decision making by committees? ;0)

You'll have a little bit to wait! Since my trip isn't until 2016, I wont have the final pack done and ready for training until probably Black Friday of 2015 (I plan to get a lot of good stuff on sale!)

 

[kellyz]

My pack goes through stages. Starts a little heavy with all the cliff bars I bring, and then lightens as I eat them, and then gets heavy as I buy more sunblock and ibuprofen and Arnica gel, and warmer clothes that I didn't bring to begin with. But by then I'm stronger. My point being, you can buy stuff.

 

[Anemone del Camino]

You'll have a little bit to wait! Since my trip isn't until 2016, I wont have the final pack done and ready for training until probably Black Friday of 2015 (I plan to get a lot of good stuff on sale!)

Goodie!!!! More than a full year to tell you what I think is best. Believe, this doesn't happen in my real life very often! - Now, go weigh the clothes you are planning on bringing! - A full year of "I told you so" - love this Forum!

 

[allykat]

@kellyz Yeah,
On my first Camino, we didn't have much Sunscreen, so I ended up carrying a full size sunscreen bottle, in addition to my ibufen gel tube, toothbrush, toothpaste, deodorant, a big bottle of shampoo, conditioner, bar of dove soap, a full bar of Laundry Soap, a pack of moleskin, a pack of compeed and a roll of bandage tape.

I wore my teva sandals on the trail alot, especially when I'd had a huge blister taken care of.. I'd like to believe that less of that will happen on Camino two, but my Teva's were just as, if not more comfortable than my keens, and while I feel they are pretty light, my green flip flops might take their place if I think I can tough out the whole trip in Keens.

@Anemone del Camino et all: Keep those opinions coming! I might end up posting different jacket/fleece combinations until I find just the right one, and I'd love input on what to buy! Right now I am really hoping as I live in Portland, that I can find a really good rain/fleece pair for a good price... wish me luck!

I slept in my bicycle short/tights and my exofficio camisole the entire Camino with no problem, but that was with a Scouting sleeping bag built for intense weather. I am looking for something a little less heafty for this trip. That said, my numbers are all theoretical right now, as I haven't a good kitchen scale to weigh each pair of underwear and socks for optimal packing. I figure I'll invest in one soon, because I'll need the information. I am going to gram and ounce this pack to death since I (currently) can't talk myself out of the bigger items.

I may just take the hit on my wallet and get a lighter pack and sell my Deuter one if I find something as comfortable. I'd like to see if losing that extra .6kg in combonation with a few other things can pull my weight down. What about a down vest instead of a full fleece since it's winter and likely to only be raining in Galicia?

I'm reconfiguring my list now to take into consideration some suggestions, I'll get back to all of you!

 

[Anemone del Camino]

@kellyz I wore my teva sandals on the trail alot, especially when I'd had a huge blister taken care of.

@Anemone del Camino et all: Keep those

Yeah to the Tevas or other sandals. The fewer pressure spots the better.

 

[allykat]

Don't mind this post, I just accidentally posted somehow only half the post i intended to send! Whoops!

 

[allykat]

Update:
Alright, here is an updated packing list, after doing MONDO amounts of searching for gear... BULLET POINTS!

• Found the ACTUAL weight of my tevas... only .24kg! They were from 2013/2014's line (Teva Tirra) so I was having trouble finding them, but once I did find the correct name and searched it on REI I was able to get a accurate weight on the pair.
• I also found a tech towel that is lighter than my REI one, a bit more expensive, but Comparative to the muslin you suggest and without the potential for my hair deciding to challenge it's drying ability. However, I researched weights on muslin and found a 4-5oz (.12kg) option for a muslin cloth at 18X48in slice. I'll keep it in mind if I test out some muslin and find one I like at about that weight (Wont I look weird in the fabric store!).
• I've looked at Bars of Soap, and since I know I plan to buy soap again on the Camino (prepping for losing or running out of soap) I am going to cut a 5oz chunk in half and give my Fiance ~2.5oz of it and I'll keep 2.5 This keeps weight down, cleans us both, may last for a good amount of the Camino and is cost effective!
• I comparison weighed a 2oz bar of soap to my sewing kit and it seems like they are pretty close in weight if I close my eyes... so I'm upping the weight on the sewing kit for more accuracy until I get a scale.
• I am getting rid of the waterproof sack for plastic baggies. All of mine from Camino #1 held up the entire trip, can be replaced at the Mercado, and are probably lighter in weight and make organization better. I am keeping the one for my clothes though, since I already own it.
• I was double checking the weight on my clothes sack (7 ounces? what?) and realized I'd put in 7 oz instead of 1.7 to my calculations... so that's fixed.
• I realized I didn't mention this, but my pack weight didn't include my rain cover for it and that is now fixed!
• I switched back to my original plan to purchase something akin to a swiss army knife when I arrive in Dublin/London/Barcelona/wherever is cheapest to fly into. They are a bit lighter, and more multifunctional, but I really didn't like using my swiss army to cut my chorizo and cheese during the day, and it was wrecked by the time I got home. Maybe if someone has a better suggestion as I used my knife to eat almost every day, and to cut moleskin/tape for my feet at night?
• I used my travel spork for my morning yogurt, and was happy that it never snapped because I had a titanium one, however I've read that the plastic ones are just as good, so I am willing to purchase a new one to give me a few grams back!
• My Fiance and I have searched around for phones we like, and we've opted for Nokia Lumia Windows Phones (feel free to judge) These will do everything we want and will replace my iphone and kindle easily... plus we can easily put international sim card in them for calls!
• I included my documents weight, and I mention this because I am making my own guide, of simple maps, important albergues to remember and mercado/atm locations. I am then going to laminate these pages and make my own simple waterproof guide rather than carry the (at times frustrating) john brierly and the other map guide. It will also allow me to say no need to the elevation guides made of paper that ended up becoming confetti in the bottom of my bag

Now, lets update this list!

Backpack Deuter ACT Lite 45 +10.............................1.61kg
Sleeping Bag Montebell Down Hugger......................0.46kg http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?p_id=2321189
Sleeping Pad KLYMIT Inertia O-zone.......................0.36kg http://www.klymit.com/index.php/products-1/sleeping-pads/outdoor/inertia-o-zone.html
Water Platypus 2L Resevoir.......................................2.10kg
Sandals Teva Tirra.....................................................0.24kg http://www.rei.com/product/879678/teva-tirra-sandals-womens-2014-closeout
Boots Keen Targhee II WP.......................................0.73kg http://www.rei.com/product/824845/keen-targhee-ii-wp-hiking-shoes-womens#tab-specs
Towel PackTowel XXL..............................................0.14kg http://www.rei.com/product/830600/packtowl-ultralite-towel#tab-specs
1/2 Bar of Spanish Laundry Bar...............................0.03kg (Sticking with what I know will work, and since these bars will deplete, this is max weight)
2.5oz Lush Shower Bar.............................................0.07kg
*Razor.......................................................................0.05kg
*Comb.......................................................................0.12kg
Toothbrush/Toothpaste Combo Aurelle Toob.........0.03kg http://www.rei.com/product/737990/aurelle-aurelle-toob-brush
Farmacia Products....................................................0.40kg My Sunscreen, Moleskin, Bandage Tape, Ibuprofen, Antibacterial Plastic Baggie Pouch
Laundry Clothesline REI Hang-up............................0.03kg http://www.rei.com/product/712032/rei-hang-up-clothesline
Sewing Kit Home Made.............................................0.06kg
Clothes Sack Sea to Summit Ultra-Sil.......................0.05kg http://www.rei.com/product/766592/sea-to-summit-evac-dry-sack
Knife Swiss Army Hunstman....................................0.11kg http://www.rei.com/product/403014/swiss-army-huntsman-swiss-army-knife#tab-specs
Spork Light My Fire Spork....................................0.005kg http://www.rei.com/product/854547/light-my-fire-spork#tab-specs
Torch Fenix E05 Flashlight......................................0.03kg http://www.rei.com/product/881920/fenix-e05-flashlight#tab-specs
Smartphone w/ Case & Euro/Uk Charger................0.45kg
*Guide Book Pieced together from other guides......0.20kg
Passport/Money/Travel Documents........................0.20kg
Clothing.....................................................................1.37kg

• Jacket Versatile Montbell............................0.19kg
• Fleece Chameece Inner Jacket Montbell....0.21kg
• *Exofficio Underwear (3 pair).....................0.06kg
• *Wrightsock socks (3 pair)..........................0.08kg
• *Sports Bras (2 total)...................................0.09kg
• *Tight Capri Pants(2 Pair)............................0.24kg
• Macabi Skirt (L-Reg length).........................0.28kg
• *Tech T-shirt................................................0.06kg
• *Tech Long Shirt..........................................0.09kg
• *Exofficio Camisole......................................0.03kg
• *Scarf (I don't wear hats well)......................0.04kg

This brings my total pack weight down to 8.955kg!!! Now if I add food I should still be under or around the 10kg mark I am looking for as an FSO.

Let me know your thoughts on this list, I will keep you updated as I acquire items and get the actual pack weight! All this planning and revising is so much fun!

 

[ebrandt]

Update:
Alright, here is an updated packing list, after doing MONDO amounts of searching for gear... BULLET POINTS!

• Found the ACTUAL weight of my tevas... only .24kg! They were from 2013/2014's line (Teva Tirra) so I was having trouble finding them, but once I did find the correct name and searched it on REI I was able to get a accurate weight on the pair.
• I also found a tech towel that is lighter than my REI one, a bit more expensive, but Comparative to the muslin you suggest and without the potential for my hair deciding to challenge it's drying ability. However, I researched weights on muslin and found a 4-5oz (.12kg) option for a muslin cloth at 18X48in slice. I'll keep it in mind if I test out some muslin and find one I like at about that weight (Wont I look weird in the fabric store!).
• I've looked at Bars of Soap, and since I know I plan to buy soap again on the Camino (prepping for losing or running out of soap) I am going to cut a 5oz chunk in half and give my Fiance ~2.5oz of it and I'll keep 2.5 This keeps weight down, cleans us both, may last for a good amount of the Camino and is cost effective!
• I comparison weighed a 2oz bar of soap to my sewing kit and it seems like they are pretty close in weight if I close my eyes... so I'm upping the weight on the sewing kit for more accuracy until I get a scale.
• I am getting rid of the waterproof sack for plastic baggies. All of mine from Camino #1 held up the entire trip, can be replaced at the Mercado, and are probably lighter in weight and make organization better. I am keeping the one for my clothes though, since I already own it.
• I was double checking the weight on my clothes sack (7 ounces? what?) and realized I'd put in 7 oz instead of 1.7 to my calculations... so that's fixed.
• I realized I didn't mention this, but my pack weight didn't include my rain cover for it and that is now fixed!
• I switched back to my original plan to purchase something akin to a swiss army knife when I arrive in Dublin/London/Barcelona/wherever is cheapest to fly into. They are a bit lighter, and more multifunctional, but I really didn't like using my swiss army to cut my chorizo and cheese during the day, and it was wrecked by the time I got home. Maybe if someone has a better suggestion as I used my knife to eat almost every day, and to cut moleskin/tape for my feet at night?
• I used my travel spork for my morning yogurt, and was happy that it never snapped because I had a titanium one, however I've read that the plastic ones are just as good, so I am willing to purchase a new one to give me a few grams back!
• My Fiance and I have searched around for phones we like, and we've opted for Nokia Lumia Windows Phones (feel free to judge) These will do everything we want and will replace my iphone and kindle easily... plus we can easily put international sim card in them for calls!
• I included my documents weight, and I mention this because I am making my own guide, of simple maps, important albergues to remember and mercado/atm locations. I am then going to laminate these pages and make my own simple waterproof guide rather than carry the (at times frustrating) john brierly and the other map guide. It will also allow me to say no need to the elevation guides made of paper that ended up becoming confetti in the bottom of my bag

Now, lets update this list!

Backpack Deuter ACT Lite 45 +10.............................1.61kg
Sleeping Bag Montebell Down Hugger......................0.46kg http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?p_id=2321189
Sleeping Pad KLYMIT Inertia O-zone.......................0.36kg http://www.klymit.com/index.php/products-1/sleeping-pads/outdoor/inertia-o-zone.html
Water Platypus 2L Resevoir.......................................2.10kg
Sandals Teva Tirra.....................................................0.24kg http://www.rei.com/product/879678/teva-tirra-sandals-womens-2014-closeout
Boots Keen Targhee II WP.......................................0.73kg http://www.rei.com/product/824845/keen-targhee-ii-wp-hiking-shoes-womens#tab-specs
Towel PackTowel XXL..............................................0.14kg http://www.rei.com/product/830600/packtowl-ultralite-towel#tab-specs
1/2 Bar of Spanish Laundry Bar...............................0.03kg (Sticking with what I know will work, and since these bars will deplete, this is max weight)
2.5oz Lush Shower Bar.............................................0.07kg
*Razor.......................................................................0.05kg
*Comb.......................................................................0.12kg
Toothbrush/Toothpaste Combo Aurelle Toob.........0.03kg http://www.rei.com/product/737990/aurelle-aurelle-toob-brush
Farmacia Products....................................................0.40kg My Sunscreen, Moleskin, Bandage Tape, Ibuprofen, Antibacterial Plastic Baggie Pouch
Laundry Clothesline REI Hang-up............................0.03kg http://www.rei.com/product/712032/rei-hang-up-clothesline
Sewing Kit Home Made.............................................0.06kg
Clothes Sack Sea to Summit Ultra-Sil.......................0.05kg http://www.rei.com/product/766592/sea-to-summit-evac-dry-sack
Knife Swiss Army Hunstman....................................0.11kg http://www.rei.com/product/403014/swiss-army-huntsman-swiss-army-knife#tab-specs
Spork Light My Fire Spork....................................0.005kg http://www.rei.com/product/854547/light-my-fire-spork#tab-specs
Torch Fenix E05 Flashlight......................................0.03kg http://www.rei.com/product/881920/fenix-e05-flashlight#tab-specs
Smartphone w/ Case & Euro/Uk Charger................0.45kg
*Guide Book Pieced together from other guides......0.20kg
Passport/Money/Travel Documents........................0.20kg
Clothing.....................................................................1.37kg

• Jacket Versatile Montbell............................0.19kg
• Fleece Chameece Inner Jacket Montbell....0.21kg
• *Exofficio Underwear (3 pair).....................0.06kg
• *Wrightsock socks (3 pair)..........................0.08kg
• *Sports Bras (2 total)...................................0.09kg
• *Tight Capri Pants(2 Pair)............................0.24kg
• Macabi Skirt (L-Reg length).........................0.28kg
• *Tech T-shirt................................................0.06kg
• *Tech Long Shirt..........................................0.09kg
• *Exofficio Camisole......................................0.03kg
• *Scarf (I don't wear hats well)......................0.04kg

This brings my total pack weight down to 8.955kg!!! Now if I add food I should still be under or around the 10kg mark I am looking for as an FSO.

Let me know your thoughts on this list, I will keep you updated as I acquire items and get the actual pack weight! All this planning and revising is so much fun!

Allykat, that montbell bag is mega bucks. Check out Sea to Summit's Traneller TrI bag. I used it in May 2013 and it was perfect--13.7 oz, rated to 50 degrees, $199. Liz

 

[Anemone del Camino]

Update:

• I am getting rid of the waterproof sack for plastic baggies. All of mine from Camino #1 held up the entire trip, can be replaced at the Mercado, and are probably lighter in weight and make organization better. I am keeping the one for my clothes though, since I already own it.

Your fellow pilgrims will like you a lot more if you leave the plastic bags at home and replace them with nylon mesh bags. Plastic bags make a lot of noise, and apparently even more in the early morning ;0)

 

[kellyz]

Good point, Anemone. So much rustling! Yes, plastic bags are fine, in my opinion, if used responsibly, i.e., if you do all your organizing early and outside of the dorm room so that you don't have to even touch them in the morning (or night while others are sleeping).

 

[Camembert]

Update:
Alright, here is an updated packing list, after doing MONDO amounts of searching for gear... BULLET POINTS!

• Found the ACTUAL weight of my tevas... only .24kg! They were from 2013/2014's line (Teva Tirra) so I was having trouble finding them, but once I did find the correct name and searched it on REI I was able to get a accurate weight on the pair.
• I also found a tech towel that is lighter than my REI one, a bit more expensive, but Comparative to the muslin you suggest and without the potential for my hair deciding to challenge it's drying ability. However, I researched weights on muslin and found a 4-5oz (.12kg) option for a muslin cloth at 18X48in slice. I'll keep it in mind if I test out some muslin and find one I like at about that weight (Wont I look weird in the fabric store!).
• I've looked at Bars of Soap, and since I know I plan to buy soap again on the Camino (prepping for losing or running out of soap) I am going to cut a 5oz chunk in half and give my Fiance ~2.5oz of it and I'll keep 2.5 This keeps weight down, cleans us both, may last for a good amount of the Camino and is cost effective!
• I comparison weighed a 2oz bar of soap to my sewing kit and it seems like they are pretty close in weight if I close my eyes... so I'm upping the weight on the sewing kit for more accuracy until I get a scale.
• I am getting rid of the waterproof sack for plastic baggies. All of mine from Camino #1 held up the entire trip, can be replaced at the Mercado, and are probably lighter in weight and make organization better. I am keeping the one for my clothes though, since I already own it.
• I was double checking the weight on my clothes sack (7 ounces? what?) and realized I'd put in 7 oz instead of 1.7 to my calculations... so that's fixed.
• I realized I didn't mention this, but my pack weight didn't include my rain cover for it and that is now fixed!
• I switched back to my original plan to purchase something akin to a swiss army knife when I arrive in Dublin/London/Barcelona/wherever is cheapest to fly into. They are a bit lighter, and more multifunctional, but I really didn't like using my swiss army to cut my chorizo and cheese during the day, and it was wrecked by the time I got home. Maybe if someone has a better suggestion as I used my knife to eat almost every day, and to cut moleskin/tape for my feet at night?
• I used my travel spork for my morning yogurt, and was happy that it never snapped because I had a titanium one, however I've read that the plastic ones are just as good, so I am willing to purchase a new one to give me a few grams back!
• My Fiance and I have searched around for phones we like, and we've opted for Nokia Lumia Windows Phones (feel free to judge) These will do everything we want and will replace my iphone and kindle easily... plus we can easily put international sim card in them for calls!
• I included my documents weight, and I mention this because I am making my own guide, of simple maps, important albergues to remember and mercado/atm locations. I am then going to laminate these pages and make my own simple waterproof guide rather than carry the (at times frustrating) john brierly and the other map guide. It will also allow me to say no need to the elevation guides made of paper that ended up becoming confetti in the bottom of my bag

Now, lets update this list!

Backpack Deuter ACT Lite 45 +10.............................1.61kg
Sleeping Bag Montebell Down Hugger......................0.46kg http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?p_id=2321189
Sleeping Pad KLYMIT Inertia O-zone.......................0.36kg http://www.klymit.com/index.php/products-1/sleeping-pads/outdoor/inertia-o-zone.html
Water Platypus 2L Resevoir.......................................2.10kg
Sandals Teva Tirra.....................................................0.24kg http://www.rei.com/product/879678/teva-tirra-sandals-womens-2014-closeout
Boots Keen Targhee II WP.......................................0.73kg http://www.rei.com/product/824845/keen-targhee-ii-wp-hiking-shoes-womens#tab-specs
Towel PackTowel XXL..............................................0.14kg http://www.rei.com/product/830600/packtowl-ultralite-towel#tab-specs
1/2 Bar of Spanish Laundry Bar...............................0.03kg (Sticking with what I know will work, and since these bars will deplete, this is max weight)
2.5oz Lush Shower Bar.............................................0.07kg
*Razor.......................................................................0.05kg
*Comb.......................................................................0.12kg
Toothbrush/Toothpaste Combo Aurelle Toob.........0.03kg http://www.rei.com/product/737990/aurelle-aurelle-toob-brush
Farmacia Products....................................................0.40kg My Sunscreen, Moleskin, Bandage Tape, Ibuprofen, Antibacterial Plastic Baggie Pouch
Laundry Clothesline REI Hang-up............................0.03kg http://www.rei.com/product/712032/rei-hang-up-clothesline
Sewing Kit Home Made.............................................0.06kg
Clothes Sack Sea to Summit Ultra-Sil.......................0.05kg http://www.rei.com/product/766592/sea-to-summit-evac-dry-sack
Knife Swiss Army Hunstman....................................0.11kg http://www.rei.com/product/403014/swiss-army-huntsman-swiss-army-knife#tab-specs
Spork Light My Fire Spork....................................0.005kg http://www.rei.com/product/854547/light-my-fire-spork#tab-specs
Torch Fenix E05 Flashlight......................................0.03kg http://www.rei.com/product/881920/fenix-e05-flashlight#tab-specs
Smartphone w/ Case & Euro/Uk Charger................0.45kg
*Guide Book Pieced together from other guides......0.20kg
Passport/Money/Travel Documents........................0.20kg
Clothing.....................................................................1.37kg

• Jacket Versatile Montbell............................0.19kg
• Fleece Chameece Inner Jacket Montbell....0.21kg
• *Exofficio Underwear (3 pair).....................0.06kg
• *Wrightsock socks (3 pair)..........................0.08kg
• *Sports Bras (2 total)...................................0.09kg
• *Tight Capri Pants(2 Pair)............................0.24kg
• Macabi Skirt (L-Reg length).........................0.28kg
• *Tech T-shirt................................................0.06kg
• *Tech Long Shirt..........................................0.09kg
• *Exofficio Camisole......................................0.03kg
• *Scarf (I don't wear hats well)......................0.04kg

This brings my total pack weight down to 8.955kg!!! Now if I add food I should still be under or around the 10kg mark I am looking for as an FSO.

Let me know your thoughts on this list, I will keep you updated as I acquire items and get the actual pack weight! All this planning and revising is so much fun!

With the 50 liter Osprey Atmos bagpacks moreless with same content as yours we weigh 7 kilos except the water and we have no sleeping bag and sleeping pad .
We only use a silk sleeping liners. If it is cold in bed and are no blankets like in the Betanzos albergue on the camino Ingles ,we wear the fleecevests and pray to São Xacobeo to provide us some warmth.
What I miss on your list are panty socks to prevent blisters. Not because of the weight but better be prepared on beforehand. You can read a lot about this matter on this forum.
Your water is included in your total weight 2,10 kg.

So I think you are doing well by organising it in this way.

Bom caminho

 

[allykat]

Good point, I'll look into nylon bags...

Good point, Anemone. So much rustling! Yes, plastic bags are fine, in my opinion, if used responsibly, i.e., if you do all your organizing early and outside of the dorm room so that you don't have to even touch them in the morning (or night while others are sleeping).

True, I do do most of my prep before 9PM the night before, laying out my clothes for the day (if I am not wearing them to bed as I usually do). I wait to do hygiene upkeep after breakfast so the only thing I "rustle" with in my backpack is my sleeping gear, and I normally toss that in my bag quietly and re-arrange it outside the albergue. So, I guess I'll burn the bridge of Nylon vs Plastic when I get there.

With the 50 liter Osprey Atmos bagpacks moreless with same content as yours we weigh 7 kilos except the water and we have no sleeping bag and sleeping pad .
We only use a silk sleeping liners. If it is cold in bed and are no blankets like in the Betanzos albergue on the camino Ingles ,we wear the fleecevests and pray to São Xacobeo to provide us some warmth.
What I miss on your list are panty socks to prevent blisters. Not because of the weight but better be prepared on beforehand. You can read a lot about this matter on this forum.
Your water is included in your total weight 2,10 kg.

So I think you are doing well by organising it in this way.

Bom caminho

Wrightsocks actually have a liner sewn in (people should really check'em out!) so there is a nice light liner attached to my ankle socks already. They cost a bit more than a regular pair of socks but I can bring a wool pair and some regular nice breathable polyblend ones and all of them dry super quick and I don't have to worry about them rolling down. I wore these on Camino #1 and I definitely had more time to notice a sore spot than my friends without liners, still got a few blisters, but none of them ever got bad enough to cause problems.

 

[Camembert]

Good point, I'll look into nylon bags...


True, I do do most of my prep before 9PM the night before, laying out my clothes for the day (if I am not wearing them to bed as I usually do). I wait to do hygiene upkeep after breakfast so the only thing I "rustle" with in my backpack is my sleeping gear, and I normally toss that in my bag quietly and re-arrange it outside the albergue. So, I guess I'll burn the bridge of Nylon vs Plastic when I get there.


Wrightsocks actually have a liner sewn in (people should really check'em out!) so there is a nice light liner attached to my ankle socks already. They cost a bit more than a regular pair of socks but I can bring a wool pair and some regular nice breathable polyblend ones and all of them dry super quick and I don't have to worry about them rolling down. I wore these on Camino #1 and I definitely had more time to notice a sore spot than my friends without liners, still got a few blisters, but none of them ever got bad enough to cause problems.

Good point, I'll look into nylon bags...


True, I do do most of my prep before 9PM the night before, laying out my clothes for the day (if I am not wearing them to bed as I usually do). I wait to do hygiene upkeep after breakfast so the only thing I "rustle" with in my backpack is my sleeping gear, and I normally toss that in my bag quietly and re-arrange it outside the albergue. So, I guess I'll burn the bridge of Nylon vs Plastic when I get there.


Wrightsocks actually have a liner sewn in (people should really check'em out!) so there is a nice light liner attached to my ankle socks already. They cost a bit more than a regular pair of socks but I can bring a wool pair and some regular nice breathable polyblend ones and all of them dry super quick and I don't have to worry about them rolling down. I wore these on Camino #1 and I definitely had more time to notice a sore spot than my friends without liners, still got a few blisters, but none of them ever got bad enough to cause problems.

This is what I mean @allykat
First some vaseline or other kind of similar stuff-every Long distant walker has his own recipe . Then pull on these pantysocks and then your Smartwools or Wright socks. For me this concept worked. In 2013 without, painful blisters, then somebody reveiled his secret and from then on no blisters no more. Last year I started directly with them and no blister at all.
Bom caminho

 

[ebrandt]

Allykat, that montbell bag is mega bucks. Check out Sea to Summit's Traneller TrI bag. I used it in May 2013 and it was perfect--13.7 oz, rated to 50 degrees, $199. Liz

Sorry I was typing on my iphone -- Its the Sea to Summit Traveller TrI bag -- here's a link to it at REI: http://www.rei.com/product/866775/sea-to-summit-traveller-tr-i-sleeping-bag. Liz

 

[Camembert]

Sorry I was typing on my iphone -- Its the Sea to Summit Traveller TrI bag -- here's a link to it at REI: http://www.rei.com/product/866775/sea-to-summit-traveller-tr-i-sleeping-bag. Liz

Never used that on my caminos ! Saves weight without !

 

[ebrandt]

Never used that on my caminos ! Saves weight without !

HI Albertinho -- I agree that you can go completely without a sleeping bag. My husband did. But as a woman, I just didn't feel comfortable at night without a bag. I tend kick off covers and end up sleeping eau natural in the albergue! Just a little too little privacy for me. The ultra light weight sleeping back with a zip and an open bottom worked well! I didn't kick it off, I didn't get too hot. LIz

 

[whariwharangi]

Hey guys,
I am a heavy duty planner. My first Camino happened because I was doing the pack planning and trip/route planning (as well as plane ticket purchasing) for two friends planning on going who said "You are doing so much work planning, you should join us!". I have never regretted this decision. It has changed my life and is now going to be included in my wedding plans. My Fiance has said he'd like to Walk the Way with me! We are walking 2016 June 18th -> Saint James Day.

But, here is the thing:
Camino #1, I was the quintessential paranoid packer. I KNEW weight was an issue, but I was more than willing to deal with extra weight if it meant safety for my team, so I packed extra water, carried tons of food, MY LAPTOP (long story) Kindle, Camera, Smartphone, Chargers, Shampoo, Laundry Soap... you get the picture. By the end, weighing my pack put me at 15-16kg! I am an overwieght 5'3" female! After shipping some stuff ahead to Santiago, it got better, but I still had a heavy wilderness sleeping back and other unnecessary items.

SO MY QUESTION IS..

I have weighed and categorized everything I intend to buy, or overestimated weights on things I cannot find a measurement for. I have searched and searched for ways to get my pack weight below 10kg FSO (From Skin Out) but I am having some serious trouble. I can't seem to find ways to do what others suggest for the pack weight they get. Here is my list:

Backpack..................................1.50kg (from last Camino)
Water Resevoir (w/Water).......2.10kg (from last Camino)
Sleeping Bag Liner...................0.14kg
Sleeping Pad.............................0.40kg
Blanket.....................................0.67kg
Sandals.....................................0.68kg (from last Camino)
Boots........................................0.73kg
Towel.......................................0.19kg (from last Camino)
Clothing...................................1.95kg (I can list these out if necessary)
Clothes Compression Sack.......0.18kg
1/2 Bar Laundry Soap..............0.03kg
3,5oz Lush Shower Bar............0.10kg
Sunscreen Bottle......................0.10kg
Toothbrush/Paste Combo........0.03kg
Razor........................................0.05kg
Voltarol Gel..............................0.10kg
Antibacterial Cream.................0.10kg
Bandage/Moleskin/Compeed..0.15kg (I am slightly blister prone)
Clothesline & Pin.....................0.03kg (Probably a luxury? But I am tired of socks flying away in the wind!)
Needles & Thread....................0.01kg
Knife........................................0.15
Travel Spork............................0.02kg (from last Camino)
Headlamp................................0.11kg (from last Camino)
Waterproof Sack......................0.11kg
Kindle & Charger.....................0.50kg (I know... maybe if I get a better smartphone?)
Iphone & Charger....................0.25kg
Plug Adapter............................0.03kg

This brings my total FSO Packweight to 10.44kg before food.
I SHOULD weigh around 57kg (currently working down from 70kg), which means my pack weight FSO should be as close to 8.55kg as possible (15%) and I am allowing for a little wiggle room since I carry 2L of water as I require more hydration than most people. But 10.34kg and then including the days food puts me at OVER 20% on FSO.

So, what I am trying to figure out is... I managed the Camino with a 12-15kg pack, but it wasn't easy and I couldn't keep up with really ANYONE. So, I need a lighter pack if I want to enjoy the Camino with my Fiance and our wedding group. How do I do it? Do I forfeit the Tech blanket, even though there is a good chance I might sleep outside? Do I nix the headlamp for a cheap maglite? Do I swallow my paranoia and ditch the Kindle? (I used it SO MUCH on my last Camino) Are my clothes to heavy? I know my pack is heavy, but I really love its comfort level for me, but should I move to a smaller/lighter pack?

What do you tell people who are trying to keep their pack weight low? How do we justify all the small little things we forget to weigh (life bandaids and ibufen gel) that we pick up along The Way? Am I being too anal about my pack weight? HELP!

The simple and easy solution is buy a smaller pack. Everyone who hikes knows that the larger your pack the more you will find to fill it.

 

[allykat]

Sorry I was typing on my iphone -- Its the Sea to Summit Traveller TrI bag -- here's a link to it at REI: http://www.rei.com/product/866775/sea-to-summit-traveller-tr-i-sleeping-bag. Liz

Wow! That's awesome! However..
I'm not overly fond of the Mummy bag shape as I am a toss-and-turner and spent a good few nights tangled in my bag. This bag however seems to imply semi-rectangle is possible, I think I'll have to go to my local REI and climb in it and compare it to the Montbell (all montbell stuff is expensive really... but there is kind of a reason for that...)
I also like the temperature rating on the Montbell more than the Sea to Summit. I create heat like an oven, but if I am going to spend 200USD+ on a bag, I want it to do a lot more than the S2S is rated for, I could modify the Montbell to work in spring and autumn with additional layers, but I feel like a 13-14 rating (for a woman) just puts me a little uneasy, I might as well just do the liner and blanket up at that point, as the weight difference is (.83kg vs .48kg is a substantial .350 gram difference) not prohibitive.

I am putting that S2S bag in my list of things to try out, but I am not optimistic... I'll keep you guys updated if I find that perfect 2-3 season ultralight bag with plenty of leg room!

 

[Lynda t]

If your walking in June then the hot weather will dry your hair. Just carry shower gel. Use for shampoo and washing clothes. You will probably only need one change of clothes. Washing will dry very quickly. There will be towns enroute to buy necessities. Be brave, travel light.

 

[ebrandt]

Wow! That's awesome! However..
I'm not overly fond of the Mummy bag shape as I am a toss-and-turner and spent a good few nights tangled in my bag. This bag however seems to imply semi-rectangle is possible, I think I'll have to go to my local REI and climb in it and compare it to the Montbell (all montbell stuff is expensive really... but there is kind of a reason for that...)
I also like the temperature rating on the Montbell more than the Sea to Summit. I create heat like an oven, but if I am going to spend 200USD+ on a bag, I want it to do a lot more than the S2S is rated for, I could modify the Montbell to work in spring and autumn with additional layers, but I feel like a 13-14 rating (for a woman) just puts me a little uneasy, I might as well just do the liner and blanket up at that point, as the weight difference is (.83kg vs .48kg is a substantial .350 gram difference) not prohibitive.

I am putting that S2S bag in my list of things to try out, but I am not optimistic... I'll keep you guys updated if I find that perfect 2-3 season ultralight bag with plenty of leg room!

The bag is rectangular and has a draw string that opens the bottom. I generate heat also and one of the issues I have is being too hot. It will be a hard balance for you because it sounds like you plan to sleep ouside at least a couple times. Good luck with the decisions! Liz

 

[Camembert]

HI Albertinho -- I agree that you can go completely without a sleeping bag. My husband did. But as a woman, I just didn't feel comfortable at night without a bag. I tend kick off covers and end up sleeping eau natural in the albergue! Just a little too little privacy for me. The ultra light weight sleeping back with a zip and an open bottom worked well! I didn't kick it off, I didn't get too hot. LIz

Okay ! I understand it. That is why I donot like albergues that much. Privacy !

Buen camino

 

[whariwharangi]

Wow! That's awesome! However..
I'm not overly fond of the Mummy bag shape as I am a toss-and-turner and spent a good few nights tangled in my bag. This bag however seems to imply semi-rectangle is possible, I think I'll have to go to my local REI and climb in it and compare it to the Montbell (all montbell stuff is expensive really... but there is kind of a reason for that...)
I also like the temperature rating on the Montbell more than the Sea to Summit. I create heat like an oven, but if I am going to spend 200USD+ on a bag, I want it to do a lot more than the S2S is rated for, I could modify the Montbell to work in spring and autumn with additional layers, but I feel like a 13-14 rating (for a woman) just puts me a little uneasy, I might as well just do the liner and blanket up at that point, as the weight difference is (.83kg vs .48kg is a substantial .350 gram difference) not prohibitive.

I am putting that S2S bag in my list of things to try out, but I am not optimistic... I'll keep you guys updated if I find that perfect 2-3 season ultralight bag with plenty of leg room!

Try Taiga Works in Vancouver. They make a modified mummy called a barrel bag. I hike a lot and have used a Taiga bag that has functioned well for over 20 years.
https://www.taigaworks.ca/

 

[cherrys]

Sorry I was typing on my iphone -- Its the Sea to Summit Traveller TrI bag -- here's a link to it at REI: http://www.rei.com/product/866775/sea-to-summit-traveller-tr-i-sleeping-bag. Liz

I like the idea of a drawstring at the bottom. I tend to kick things off during the night, so I might incorporate that idea into the "bag" I'm planning to make before my next camino. I've been sewing professionally for years (outdoor gear, quilts, clothing) so now have quite a few ideas to ponder. Has anyone worked with cuben fiber fabric? It seems to be the lightest and strongest for packs, rain jacket/poncho stuff. Thanks - Cherry

 

[allykat]

Try Taiga Works in Vancouver. They make a modified mummy called a barrel bag. I hike a lot and have used a Taiga bag that has functioned well for over 20 years.
https://www.taigaworks.ca/

The majority of their bags seems a bit heavier (2.5-3.5lbs = 1.3-1.6kg) than I am looking for, and the barrel doesn't appear to be available in their "lite" styles, which are still 1.9lbs it seems. I really wanna keep my sleeping system under .800gm if at all possible, or at least under 1kg. I do like the sturdy factor though, so maybe if I decide to cut the pad and some of the clothes, I'll choose this option as a luxury.

 

[Bajaracer]

Snugpak
http://www.proforceequipment.com/products.php?id=26 for sleeping bag liners
http://www.proforceequipment.com/product-details.php?id=347&catid=4 for the jungle blanket
http://www.proforceequipment.com/product-details.php?id=203&catid=4 for the jungle sleeping bag.
I have the Thermalon liner, nice and stretchy.

Honestly, using a sleeping mat twice during the whole Camino is not enough reason to carry one for your second trip no matter how light it is.

 

[whariwharangi]

Ranger Blanket ... I've not used one ... but it seems a good option for the camino.
http://armyissue.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/8/products_id/2641

 

[Bajaracer]

Ranger Blanket ... I've not used one ... but it seems a good option for the camino.
http://armyissue.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/8/products_id/2641

Better known as a poncho liner in US Military terms, most Soldiers and Marines love theirs and prefer it over carrying the heavy issue sleeping bag, when combined with the US GI poncho, it actually works pretty well.

 

[C clearly]

Have a look at these sleeping bags http://www.hotcoresleepingbags.com/. They are available in Vancouver (Three Vets, for example).

I have the T100 which weighs 1.1 kg but found it warmer than I needed last October. I cut off the "pillow case." I am thinking of getting the Cooper R-7, which is very roomy rectangular and weighs 950g.

 

[t2andreo]

Keen Targhee II boots run one-half size small. The manufacturer's web site explains this clearly. Check it out at www.keenfootwear.com. Make certain you factor this issue into your sizing choice.

Also, allow enough extra sizing for the socks you will wear walking, end of day swelling, and the tendency of some people's to spread after several weeks walking with a rucksack.

FYI, I wear a US size 11 street shoe. After considering the above issues, my hiking boots are a men's Targhee II boot size 13 (2 sizes larger). However, if you factor that they run 1/2 size small, this is actually as size 12 1/2. The difference from street shoe to hiking boot is 1/2 size for socks, 1/2 size for end-of-day swelling, and 1/2 size to allow for foot spread from walking for a month with a rucksack.

I have walked two complete Camino France's in the same boots. The soles wore down after each Camino. I found a firm that was able to resole my well-broken in Keen Targhee boots using factory original "findings" (soles). I love my Keen boots!

I hope this helps.

 

[David]

I now use the Snugpak Jungle bag - rectangular, opens all the way round so can be used as a quilt or blanket, has a mosquito (bedbugs!) zip hood. Packs down really small and weighs 890gms. Rated Comfort: 7°c Extreme: 2°c - though women feel the cold more than men so add 2 degrees if female.
Snugpak are a British company and make products for our military - they sell the same items retail and they are not expensive. The jungle bag is under £40!
You can find them on Ebay and Amazon - one of the reviews is a Camino one! and says
"Just come back from the Samino de Santiago. I used it between 3C and 15C and it kept me warm. Lightweight and comfortable. Highly recommend it!"

See here - http://www.snugpak.com/military/jungle-bag and here -

though you can scrunch the bag down much smaller than shown, using the compression straps.


One thing - it is a Nightmare! to get back into the bag until you get used to it!!

Re the shampoo etc - cut your hair really short!!! problem solved!

 

[allykat]

Keen Targhee II boots run one-half size small. The manufacturer's web site explains this clearly. Check it out at www.keenfootwear.com. Make certain you factor this issue into your sizing choice.

Also, allow enough extra sizing for the socks you will wear walking, end of day swelling, and the tendency of some people's to spread after several weeks walking with a rucksack.

FYI, I wear a US size 11 street shoe. After considering the above issues, my hiking boots are a men's Targhee II boot size 13 (2 sizes larger). However, if you factor that they run 1/2 size small, this is actually as size 12 1/2. The difference from street shoe to hiking boot is 1/2 size for socks, 1/2 size for end-of-day swelling, and 1/2 size to allow for foot spread from walking for a month with a rucksack.

I have walked two complete Camino France's in the same boots. The soles wore down after each Camino. I found a firm that was able to resole my well-broken in Keen Targhee boots using factory original "findings" (soles). I love my Keen boots!

I hope this helps.

I have Targhee's already I think (or something VERY similar from the 2013 line) and I love them. Yes they do run small and I am aware of that. I am curious about your resoling, I am a little worried about taking my Keens from 2013 on the Camino again, as I have worn them on hikes around the NW since, which is why I am looking to purchase new hiking shoes. Would resole cost more or less than buying new you think?

 

[allykat]

Re the shampoo etc - cut your hair really short!!! problem solved!

I actually just recently cut my hair short for my Fiancee's family member (who had been diagnosed with Cancer)... I am now frantically trying to grow it out. 2 Weeks after I return from my 2016 Camino will be my "Legit" wedding day (I am getting married to my man unofficially at the end of the Camino) and I will NOT have short hair for my wedding, my hair is just a burden I have to bare on this Camino...

 

[Camembert]

A wedding in the Santiago cathedral with the Botafumeiro swinging ?
We all will attend (probably)

 

[Al the optimist]

my hair is just a burden I have to bare

I love typos! Congratulations on the impending wedding(s).

 

[Thirstywork]

Hey guys,
I am a heavy duty planner. My first Camino happened because I was doing the pack planning and trip/route planning (as well as plane ticket purchasing) for two friends planning on going who said "You are doing so much work planning, you should join us!". I have never regretted this decision. It has changed my life and is now going to be included in my wedding plans. My Fiance has said he'd like to Walk the Way with me! We are walking 2016 June 18th -> Saint James Day.

But, here is the thing:
Camino #1, I was the quintessential paranoid packer. I KNEW weight was an issue, but I was more than willing to deal with extra weight if it meant safety for my team, so I packed extra water, carried tons of food, MY LAPTOP (long story) Kindle, Camera, Smartphone, Chargers, Shampoo, Laundry Soap... you get the picture. By the end, weighing my pack put me at 15-16kg! I am an overwieght 5'3" female! After shipping some stuff ahead to Santiago, it got better, but I still had a heavy wilderness sleeping back and other unnecessary items.

SO MY QUESTION IS..

I have weighed and categorized everything I intend to buy, or overestimated weights on things I cannot find a measurement for. I have searched and searched for ways to get my pack weight below 10kg FSO (From Skin Out) but I am having some serious trouble. I can't seem to find ways to do what others suggest for the pack weight they get. Here is my list:

Backpack..................................1.50kg (from last Camino)
Water Resevoir (w/Water).......2.10kg (from last Camino)
Sleeping Bag Liner...................0.14kg
Sleeping Pad.............................0.40kg
Blanket.....................................0.67kg
Sandals.....................................0.68kg (from last Camino)
Boots........................................0.73kg
Towel.......................................0.19kg (from last Camino)
Clothing...................................1.95kg (I can list these out if necessary)
Clothes Compression Sack.......0.18kg
1/2 Bar Laundry Soap..............0.03kg
3,5oz Lush Shower Bar............0.10kg
Sunscreen Bottle......................0.10kg
Toothbrush/Paste Combo........0.03kg
Razor........................................0.05kg
Voltarol Gel..............................0.10kg
Antibacterial Cream.................0.10kg
Bandage/Moleskin/Compeed..0.15kg (I am slightly blister prone)
Clothesline & Pin.....................0.03kg (Probably a luxury? But I am tired of socks flying away in the wind!)
Needles & Thread....................0.01kg
Knife........................................0.15
Travel Spork............................0.02kg (from last Camino)
Headlamp................................0.11kg (from last Camino)
Waterproof Sack......................0.11kg
Kindle & Charger.....................0.50kg (I know... maybe if I get a better smartphone?)
Iphone & Charger....................0.25kg
Plug Adapter............................0.03kg

This brings my total FSO Packweight to 10.44kg before food.
I SHOULD weigh around 57kg (currently working down from 70kg), which means my pack weight FSO should be as close to 8.55kg as possible (15%) and I am allowing for a little wiggle room since I carry 2L of water as I require more hydration than most people. But 10.34kg and then including the days food puts me at OVER 20% on FSO.

So, what I am trying to figure out is... I managed the Camino with a 12-15kg pack, but it wasn't easy and I couldn't keep up with really ANYONE. So, I need a lighter pack if I want to enjoy the Camino with my Fiance and our wedding group. How do I do it? Do I forfeit the Tech blanket, even though there is a good chance I might sleep outside? Do I nix the headlamp for a cheap maglite? Do I swallow my paranoia and ditch the Kindle? (I used it SO MUCH on my last Camino) Are my clothes to heavy? I know my pack is heavy, but I really love its comfort level for me, but should I move to a smaller/lighter pack?

What do you tell people who are trying to keep their pack weight low? How do we justify all the small little things we forget to weigh (life bandaids and ibufen gel) that we pick up along The Way? Am I being too anal about my pack weight? HELP!

Iwould take one bar of catille soap for me and laundr

Hey guys,
I am a heavy duty planner. My first Camino happened because I was doing the pack planning and trip/route planning (as well as plane ticket purchasing) for two friends planning on going who said "You are doing so much work planning, you should join us!". I have never regretted this decision. It has changed my life and is now going to be included in my wedding plans. My Fiance has said he'd like to Walk the Way with me! We are walking 2016 June 18th -> Saint James Day.

But, here is the thing:
Camino #1, I was the quintessential paranoid packer. I KNEW weight was an issue, but I was more than willing to deal with extra weight if it meant safety for my team, so I packed extra water, carried tons of food, MY LAPTOP (long story) Kindle, Camera, Smartphone, Chargers, Shampoo, Laundry Soap... you get the picture. By the end, weighing my pack put me at 15-16kg! I am an overwieght 5'3" female! After shipping some stuff ahead to Santiago, it got better, but I still had a heavy wilderness sleeping back and other unnecessary items.

SO MY QUESTION IS..

I have weighed and categorized everything I intend to buy, or overestimated weights on things I cannot find a measurement for. I have searched and searched for ways to get my pack weight below 10kg FSO (From Skin Out) but I am having some serious trouble. I can't seem to find ways to do what others suggest for the pack weight they get. Here is my list:

Backpack..................................1.50kg (from last Camino)
Water Resevoir (w/Water).......2.10kg (from last Camino)
Sleeping Bag Liner...................0.14kg
Sleeping Pad.............................0.40kg
Blanket.....................................0.67kg
Sandals.....................................0.68kg (from last Camino)
Boots........................................0.73kg
Towel.......................................0.19kg (from last Camino)
Clothing...................................1.95kg (I can list these out if necessary)
Clothes Compression Sack.......0.18kg
1/2 Bar Laundry Soap..............0.03kg
3,5oz Lush Shower Bar............0.10kg
Sunscreen Bottle......................0.10kg
Toothbrush/Paste Combo........0.03kg
Razor........................................0.05kg
Voltarol Gel..............................0.10kg
Antibacterial Cream.................0.10kg
Bandage/Moleskin/Compeed..0.15kg (I am slightly blister prone)
Clothesline & Pin.....................0.03kg (Probably a luxury? But I am tired of socks flying away in the wind!)
Needles & Thread....................0.01kg
Knife........................................0.15
Travel Spork............................0.02kg (from last Camino)
Headlamp................................0.11kg (from last Camino)
Waterproof Sack......................0.11kg
Kindle & Charger.....................0.50kg (I know... maybe if I get a better smartphone?)
Iphone & Charger....................0.25kg
Plug Adapter............................0.03kg

This brings my total FSO Packweight to 10.44kg before food.
I SHOULD weigh around 57kg (currently working down from 70kg), which means my pack weight FSO should be as close to 8.55kg as possible (15%) and I am allowing for a little wiggle room since I carry 2L of water as I require more hydration than most people. But 10.34kg and then including the days food puts me at OVER 20% on FSO.

So, what I am trying to figure out is... I managed the Camino with a 12-15kg pack, but it wasn't easy and I couldn't keep up with really ANYONE. So, I need a lighter pack if I want to enjoy the Camino with my Fiance and our wedding group. How do I do it? Do I forfeit the Tech blanket, even though there is a good chance I might sleep outside? Do I nix the headlamp for a cheap maglite? Do I swallow my paranoia and ditch the Kindle? (I used it SO MUCH on my last Camino) Are my clothes to heavy? I know my pack is heavy, but I really love its comfort level for me, but should I move to a smaller/lighter pack?

What do you tell people who are trying to keep their pack weight low? How do we justify all the small little things we forget to weigh (life bandaids and ibufen gel) that we pick up along The Way? Am I being too anal about my pack weight? HELP!

Hey guys,
I am a heavy duty planner. My first Camino happened because I was doing the pack planning and trip/route planning (as well as plane ticket purchasing) for two friends planning on going who said "You are doing so much work planning, you should join us!". I have never regretted this decision. It has changed my life and is now going to be included in my wedding plans. My Fiance has said he'd like to Walk the Way with me! We are walking 2016 June 18th -> Saint James Day.

But, here is the thing:
Camino #1, I was the quintessential paranoid packer. I KNEW weight was an issue, but I was more than willing to deal with extra weight if it meant safety for my team, so I packed extra water, carried tons of food, MY LAPTOP (long story) Kindle, Camera, Smartphone, Chargers, Shampoo, Laundry Soap... you get the picture. By the end, weighing my pack put me at 15-16kg! I am an overwieght 5'3" female! After shipping some stuff ahead to Santiago, it got better, but I still had a heavy wilderness sleeping back and other unnecessary items.

SO MY QUESTION IS..

I have weighed and categorized everything I intend to buy, or overestimated weights on things I cannot find a measurement for. I have searched and searched for ways to get my pack weight below 10kg FSO (From Skin Out) but I am having some serious trouble. I can't seem to find ways to do what others suggest for the pack weight they get. Here is my list:

Backpack..................................1.50kg (from last Camino)
Water Resevoir (w/Water).......2.10kg (from last Camino)
Sleeping Bag Liner...................0.14kg
Sleeping Pad.............................0.40kg
Blanket.....................................0.67kg
Sandals.....................................0.68kg (from last Camino)
Boots........................................0.73kg
Towel.......................................0.19kg (from last Camino)
Clothing...................................1.95kg (I can list these out if necessary)
Clothes Compression Sack.......0.18kg
1/2 Bar Laundry Soap..............0.03kg
3,5oz Lush Shower Bar............0.10kg
Sunscreen Bottle......................0.10kg
Toothbrush/Paste Combo........0.03kg
Razor........................................0.05kg
Voltarol Gel..............................0.10kg
Antibacterial Cream.................0.10kg
Bandage/Moleskin/Compeed..0.15kg (I am slightly blister prone)
Clothesline & Pin.....................0.03kg (Probably a luxury? But I am tired of socks flying away in the wind!)
Needles & Thread....................0.01kg
Knife........................................0.15
Travel Spork............................0.02kg (from last Camino)
Headlamp................................0.11kg (from last Camino)
Waterproof Sack......................0.11kg
Kindle & Charger.....................0.50kg (I know... maybe if I get a better smartphone?)
Iphone & Charger....................0.25kg
Plug Adapter............................0.03kg

This brings my total FSO Packweight to 10.44kg before food.
I SHOULD weigh around 57kg (currently working down from 70kg), which means my pack weight FSO should be as close to 8.55kg as possible (15%) and I am allowing for a little wiggle room since I carry 2L of water as I require more hydration than most people. But 10.34kg and then including the days food puts me at OVER 20% on FSO.

So, what I am trying to figure out is... I managed the Camino with a 12-15kg pack, but it wasn't easy and I couldn't keep up with really ANYONE. So, I need a lighter pack if I want to enjoy the Camino with my Fiance and our wedding group. How do I do it? Do I forfeit the Tech blanket, even though there is a good chance I might sleep outside? Do I nix the headlamp for a cheap maglite? Do I swallow my paranoia and ditch the Kindle? (I used it SO MUCH on my last Camino) Are my clothes to heavy? I know my pack is heavy, but I really love its comfort level for me, but should I move to a smaller/lighter pack?

What do you tell people who are trying to keep their pack weight low? How do we justify all the small little things we forget to weigh (life bandaids and ibufen gel) that we pick up along The Way? Am I being too anal about my pack weight? HELP!

one bar of castille soap for body and clothes and amazingly you can also use the stuff as toothpaste! Dr Bronners.

 

[tploomis]

Hey guys,
I am a heavy duty planner. My first Camino happened because I was doing the pack planning and trip/route planning (as well as plane ticket purchasing) for two friends planning on going who said "You are doing so much work planning, you should join us!". I have never regretted this decision. It has changed my life and is now going to be included in my wedding plans. My Fiance has said he'd like to Walk the Way with me! We are walking 2016 June 18th -> Saint James Day.

But, here is the thing:
Camino #1, I was the quintessential paranoid packer. I KNEW weight was an issue, but I was more than willing to deal with extra weight if it meant safety for my team, so I packed extra water, carried tons of food, MY LAPTOP (long story) Kindle, Camera, Smartphone, Chargers, Shampoo, Laundry Soap... you get the picture. By the end, weighing my pack put me at 15-16kg! I am an overwieght 5'3" female! After shipping some stuff ahead to Santiago, it got better, but I still had a heavy wilderness sleeping back and other unnecessary items.

SO MY QUESTION IS..

I have weighed and categorized everything I intend to buy, or overestimated weights on things I cannot find a measurement for. I have searched and searched for ways to get my pack weight below 10kg FSO (From Skin Out) but I am having some serious trouble. I can't seem to find ways to do what others suggest for the pack weight they get. Here is my list:

Backpack..................................1.50kg (from last Camino)
Water Resevoir (w/Water).......2.10kg (from last Camino)
Sleeping Bag Liner...................0.14kg
Sleeping Pad.............................0.40kg
Blanket.....................................0.67kg
Sandals.....................................0.68kg (from last Camino)
Boots........................................0.73kg
Towel.......................................0.19kg (from last Camino)
Clothing...................................1.95kg (I can list these out if necessary)
Clothes Compression Sack.......0.18kg
1/2 Bar Laundry Soap..............0.03kg
3,5oz Lush Shower Bar............0.10kg
Sunscreen Bottle......................0.10kg
Toothbrush/Paste Combo........0.03kg
Razor........................................0.05kg
Voltarol Gel..............................0.10kg
Antibacterial Cream.................0.10kg
Bandage/Moleskin/Compeed..0.15kg (I am slightly blister prone)
Clothesline & Pin.....................0.03kg (Probably a luxury? But I am tired of socks flying away in the wind!)
Needles & Thread....................0.01kg
Knife........................................0.15
Travel Spork............................0.02kg (from last Camino)
Headlamp................................0.11kg (from last Camino)
Waterproof Sack......................0.11kg
Kindle & Charger.....................0.50kg (I know... maybe if I get a better smartphone?)
Iphone & Charger....................0.25kg
Plug Adapter............................0.03kg

This brings my total FSO Packweight to 10.44kg before food.
I SHOULD weigh around 57kg (currently working down from 70kg), which means my pack weight FSO should be as close to 8.55kg as possible (15%) and I am allowing for a little wiggle room since I carry 2L of water as I require more hydration than most people. But 10.34kg and then including the days food puts me at OVER 20% on FSO.

So, what I am trying to figure out is... I managed the Camino with a 12-15kg pack, but it wasn't easy and I couldn't keep up with really ANYONE. So, I need a lighter pack if I want to enjoy the Camino with my Fiance and our wedding group. How do I do it? Do I forfeit the Tech blanket, even though there is a good chance I might sleep outside? Do I nix the headlamp for a cheap maglite? Do I swallow my paranoia and ditch the Kindle? (I used it SO MUCH on my last Camino) Are my clothes to heavy? I know my pack is heavy, but I really love its comfort level for me, but should I move to a smaller/lighter pack?

What do you tell people who are trying to keep their pack weight low? How do we justify all the small little things we forget to weigh (life bandaids and ibufen gel) that we pick up along The Way? Am I being too anal about my pack weight? HELP!

My reaction to this packing list is that it is pretty good at trimming weight, but there is room for more trimming. I notice that you are calculating two liters of water, where I found one liter sufficient for all parts of the walk except a day or two in the Meseta. There are water sources all along the Way. As others have mentioned, the iPhone and Kindle with their chargers is redundant. I would read off the smartphone, which I prefer even at home. I would save a lot of weight with the choice of pack. I've recently bought the Hyperlite Mountain Gear 2400 Windrider cuben fiber backpack, which is 1.8 pounds of pure utility and comfort http://www.hyperlitemountaingear.co...0-series-ultralight-packs/2400-windrider.html. There are lighter packs out there, but this one is super comfortable, and the cuben fiber is waterproof, greatly reducing the need for a waterproof sack, although I would still bag clothes and quilt in ziplock bags. I would trade the blanket you mention for a backpacking quilt, which provides a great warmth to weight ratio. The weight of the quilt would be the same as your blanket or less, but provide a greater range of warmth. I don't own a quilt (it's a future purchase for me), but here's a discussion of the benefits http://smackpacker.com/2010/04/12/quilt-trip/. Some listed links are outdated, but the companies all continue with websites and upgraded quilts.

You don't want to forget a lightweight hardshell rain jacket, such as the Marmot Precip or the Patagonia Torrent Shell (I don't think rain pants are worth the weight, and I don't think wet legs are a significant issue). An alternative is a cuben fiber poncho. I am suggesting a cuben fiber poncho as an alternative to the beloved Altus poncho, which weighs in at a hefty two pounds if I recall. Zpacks makes a cuben fiber poncho/groundcloth weighing in at 5.1 ounces. http://www.zpacks.com/accessories/groundsheet_poncho.shtml.

You seem well aware that your sandals are extra weight. That may well be worth it, if the sandals are alternative footwear to walk in and you think you might have foot problems.

I would have a hard time planning a walk so far in advance. My hat is off to you for your ability to delay gratification!

 

[Anemone del Camino]

I actually just recently cut my hair short for my Fiancee's family member (who had been diagnosed with Cancer)... I am now frantically trying to grow it out. 2 Weeks after I return from my 2016 Camino will be my "Legit" wedding day (I am getting married to my man unofficially at the end of the Camino) and I will NOT have short hair for my wedding, my hair is just a burden I have to bare on this Camino...

I would revisit which is the "legit" and which is for the family. Ever heard of Santiago, Fisterra (ok church - best cemetary in the world, but not what you are looking for ;0) ), Muxia (just restorated after unfortunate fire a year ago - but never mind the church - the view and mystic rocks is what it is all about).

What did you say the date is? I'll be around 1st or 2nd week of June ;0)

 

[t2andreo]

I have Targhee's already I think (or something VERY similar from the 2013 line) and I love them. Yes they do run small and I am aware of that. I am curious about your resoling, I am a little worried about taking my Keens from 2013 on the Camino again, as I have worn them on hikes around the NW since, which is why I am looking to purchase new hiking shoes. Would resole cost more or less than buying new you think?

The name of the firm is Resole America. Their website is www.resole.com. They are located in Warrenton, VA. Basically you send the boots in the post and get them back resoled with factory soles in less than two weeks.

I hope this helps.

 

[allykat]

I would revisit which is the "legit" and which is for the family. Ever heard of Santiago, Fisterra (ok church - best cemetary in the world, but not what you are looking for ;0) ), Muxia (just restorated after unfortunate fire a year ago - but never mind the church - the view and mystic rocks is what it is all about).

What did you say the date is? I'll be around 1st or 2nd week of June ;0)

It's... complicated. I wont be getting married legally in Spain as it seems there are a lot of hoops you have to jump through to do this. And my Parents want to be there for my wedding. So, you are right, my wedding on the Camino, potentially on the cliffs of Finisterre or Muxia will be my REAL wedding, and the event back home will be the one where we sign papers, and do the traditional Ceremony with a guest list of around 200.

But yeah, my wedding between me, my love and God will take place in Spain, the rest is just a Paperwork show and a Party. Still important, just... not as much.

As for the Date, we arrive in SJPdP around June 16th or 17th. We will be in Santiago for Saint James Day, and head out for Muxia and Fisterra after that.

 

[Camembert]

It's... complicated. I wont be getting married legally in Spain as it seems there are a lot of hoops you have to jump through to do this. And my Parents want to be there for my wedding. So, you are right, my wedding on the Camino, potentially on the cliffs of Finisterre or Muxia will be my REAL wedding, and the event back home will be the one where we sign papers, and do the traditional Ceremony with a guest list of around 200.

But yeah, my wedding between me, my love and God will take place in Spain, the rest is just a Paperwork show and a Party. Still important, just... not as much.

As for the Date, we arrive in SJPdP around June 16th or 17th. We will be in Santiago for Saint James Day, and head out for Muxia and Fisterra after that.

A Spanish wedding is great. I attended some during the time I worked in Barcelona. The "que se besen " moment is great. Lot of food and drinks.
The best wedding I attended was at the beach in Rio de Janeiro some years ago.
A Brasilean friend married with her Dutch fiancé. Big party compleet with samba dancers (with feathers)

 

[David]

I actually just recently cut my hair short for my Fiancee's family member (who had been diagnosed with Cancer)... I am now frantically trying to grow it out. 2 Weeks after I return from my 2016 Camino will be my "Legit" wedding day (I am getting married to my man unofficially at the end of the Camino) and I will NOT have short hair for my wedding, my hair is just a burden I have to bare on this Camino...

for you - I remember when they first sang this - I had long hair then!!

 

[nidarosa]

You're getting there now!
One thing I have found extremely useful for their weight are nail scissors! You mention a sewing kit (why? never needed one once), and the scissors will come in handy for that, plus for opening packaging, cutting nails, dead skin, general roadside surgery if you are prone to blisters ... you can get small packets of antiseptic wipes to clean them between jobs, they are handy for cleaning blisters too.
Then for cutting your chorizo and cheese, just go into any little shop and buy a cheap and decent size knife for the walk, leaving it before you fly home. A lot cheaper than a Swiss Army knife you won't necessarily be happy with.
You mention big hair, I have that too and pull my Buff around the mane after the shower instead of using all my towel power getting it dry. As soon as I go back into the sun it's dry in a flash.
Another thing is your rain/warmth gear - I have found that rain is guaranteed to happen sooner or later, but wind is almost constant up in the hill and across the meseta, basically most of the time. It's why I don't bother with a hat, it just blows off. Pertex windshirts/jackets are very lightweight and in the summer, getting rid of the windchill factor saves carrying another layer.
I prefer merino to tech materials, but the idea is the same: layers of short and long sleeve tops, fleece for insulation and a pertex layer for the wind, and in my case an Altus Light raincoat that covers me and my pack in one and has plenty of room for air to circulate. If you get cold when you sleep it also covers most of you until you get warmed up.
And well done on the Tevas - my Terra Fi Lites are the same weight and are invaluable for spare walking shoes, evenings and days off.
Keep up the good work, we all love picking at a packing list here!

 

[Helen1]

Out of curiosity how much is your Fiancé going to carry? Given that there are two of you, how many of these items can you split between you? I assume you can share a headlamp, chargers/adaptors, first aid type things, toothpaste, sunscreen and laundry soap?

I used my headtorch a number of times. seems silly to buy another one when you already have one but I took one of these: http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/silverpoint-ultra-1-headtorch-ac210103?id_colour=138 . Cheap, functional and weighs 29g.

I would also have a look out for Euro plugs which let you plug in 2+ items and just the take the cables rather than the plugs as well.

Kindle or phone, can you take the kindle and your Fiancé the phone? Will you be reading so much if you are with your partner?

I'm a lazy packer, I know I could pack much lighter but I choose to take more and I am fine with that. I don’t want to have to spend my time on the Camino shopping for things like plasters which weigh next to nothing and take up no space! I am very impressed by your dedication to get your pack weight down!

 

[allykat]

You're getting there now!
One thing I have found extremely useful for their weight are nail scissors! You mention a sewing kit (why? never needed one once), and the scissors will come in handy for that, plus for opening packaging, cutting nails, dead skin, general roadside surgery if you are prone to blisters ... you can get small packets of antiseptic wipes to clean them between jobs, they are handy for cleaning blisters too.
Then for cutting your chorizo and cheese, just go into any little shop and buy a cheap and decent size knife for the walk, leaving it before you fly home. A lot cheaper than a Swiss Army knife you won't necessarily be happy with.
You mention big hair, I have that too and pull my Buff around the mane after the shower instead of using all my towel power getting it dry. As soon as I go back into the sun it's dry in a flash.

I'll check out the nail scissors, maybe add them to my sewing kit. It is really just a couple needles, thread and a travel sewing scissors. I use it for blister maintenance.
My original plan was to do just that, but most of the plain ol' Knives are heavier than a swiss army. So... I have to decide which is more important. I don't know... darned if I do, darned if I don't right?
That seems smart, using a buff, and hearing from a girl with big hair makes me feel more comfortable about the option. Someone else told me to do that on the Camino in 2013 but I never tried it. Maybe I will practice it this Summer and see how it works.

Out of curiosity how much is your Fiancé going to carry? Given that there are two of you, how many of these items can you split between you? I assume you can share a headlamp, chargers/adaptors, first aid type things, toothpaste, sunscreen and laundry soap?

After talking with him, he agreed we should both just bring smartphones. I mostly use my kindle for a bigger screen and internet access, while I do read books when I am with him I don't do that a lot... I have a REALLY BIG 2 usb 1 power Euro/Uk charger adapter that I took last time. I think we will bring that (maybe he'll carry it ) and use it in tandem.
I imagine his carry weight and FSO wont be much higher than mine. He is more fit than me, runs 5ks with his family (I guess I am going to start doing this too...) but his pack really should be more than 8kg's either, with about 2-3kgs for food. He is much more low maintenance than me, and since I've got the laundry soap, he wont need to carry that, but maybe I'll have HIM carry the flashlight, and other little things.

 

[David]

The French Opinel knives come in a series of sizes, they are carbon steel, (not stainless steel which blunts easily and is the very devil to re-sharpen), which means you can sharpen them on any rock or piece of pottery you pass ... they have a light cherry wood handle and a slip ring to lock them open so they never fold back and cut you. They are great working knives, available in loads of shops and the smaller ones are significantly lighter than a Swiss army knife. You can pick one up in St Jean (or two as your fiance is with you!) and, yes, just give them away at the end or perhaps post them home to yourselves. The art of design, whether in the things humans create or the creatures in the natural world, is 'design follows function and function follows design' and the Opinel, beautiful practical items, sit perfectly within this remit.

Of marriage and Camino and so on ... one year, when I was out there doing first aid and handing out English tea and lemonade I met a young Texan couple (I'm afraid that I said, in a John Wayne accent - Texicans? Well, why dincha say so Pilgrims, why doncha step down outa those fancy foreign rucksack rigs ya seem to be strapped into and have a cup of English tea, Pilgrims .. they had been betrothed to each other, survived college together, then talked deeply about their future. They decided to go on Camino (they were Christians) to see how they got on under real duress, not surrounded by supporting friends and family. They had a great Camino. When I met them they had gone home, got married, and were on Camino on their Honeymoon - they were an absolute delight, and truly in love.
I love love, and I love the vulnerability of marriage - your Camino marriage will be your real marriage, the rest is paperwork.

Buen Camino to the two of you

 

[ebrandt]

I'll check out the nail scissors, maybe add them to my sewing kit. It is really just a couple needles, thread and a travel sewing scissors. I use it for blister maintenance.
My original plan was to do just that, but most of the plain ol' Knives are heavier than a swiss army. So... I have to decide which is more important. I don't know... darned if I do, darned if I don't right?
That seems smart, using a buff, and hearing from a girl with big hair makes me feel more comfortable about the option. Someone else told me to do that on the Camino in 2013 but I never tried it. Maybe I will practice it this Summer and see how it works.


After talking with him, he agreed we should both just bring smartphones. I mostly use my kindle for a bigger screen and internet access, while I do read books when I am with him I don't do that a lot... I have a REALLY BIG 2 usb 1 power Euro/Uk charger adapter that I took last time. I think we will bring that (maybe he'll carry it ) and use it in tandem.
I imagine his carry weight and FSO wont be much higher than mine. He is more fit than me, runs 5ks with his family (I guess I am going to start doing this too...) but his pack really should be more than 8kg's either, with about 2-3kgs for food. He is much more low maintenance than me, and since I've got the laundry soap, he wont need to carry that, but maybe I'll have HIM carry the flashlight, and other little things.

I have allocated all the lite bit of "joint use stuff" to my husband,

 

[kmrice]

The French Opinel knives come in a series of sizes

And one model with an excellent corkscrew, which I love.

Burn Camino,

Karl

 

[ebrandt]

And one model with an excellent corkscrew, which I love.

Burn Camino,

Karl

You have to watch those cork screws. My husband pulled a muscle in his back trying to open a bottle of wine with his swiss army knife cork screw! He couldn't pick his pack up for about three days. I had to hold it up for him so he could put his arms in! He is much more fit and has more endurance than me so I had to revel a bit in his temporary disability -- all in the cause of vino tinto! In his defense the cork truly seemed to be stuck and we could not get it out even with a wall mounted cork screw at the albergue. LIz

 

[kmrice]

You have to watch those cork screws. My husband pulled a muscle in his back trying to open a bottle of wine with his swiss army knife cork screw!

Very sorry to hear about your husband's injury. It just goes to show, you need to train seriously for the Camino. Personally, I try to open and drink as much wine as possible before starting a long walk!

Just kidding. Hope your husband fully recovered.

Karl