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Norte should not be awarded World Heritage status - expert.

sillydoll

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Of the 32 routes to Santiago, only one is a World Heritage Site. The Northern Way wants to be one. Another case like the Via de la Plata?

The controversy is served. Some of the most distinguished experts on the Camino de Santiago, as the Pablo Arribas, have already voiced opposition to extending the Unesco World Heritage Site declaration to the so-called Northern Route, which passes through the communities of the Basque Country, Cantabria, Asturias and Galicia.
Although there are many 'roads', only one, the so-called French, from Roncesvalles to Compostela, has the recognition of the Paris-based agency.
"It is a further invention, and they will end up spoiling" Burgos adventure writer, author of “Pícaros y picaresca en el Camino de Santiago” (Rogues and the picaresque in the Camino de Santiag), one of the most documented and best publications written to understand the ancient pilgrimage route.
On 21 December, representatives from the four autonomous communities of Cantabria met at the collegiate Zenarruza in the village of Markina Biscay. The meeting was also attended by a representative of the Ministry of Culture. The dossier to be referred to the headquarters of Unesco which is expected next year, aims at the expansion of the statement that in 1993 the organization awarded the French way.
Arribas is among the few who has raised his voice. He believes that the only interest of these autonomies is to promote a sector such as tourism. "Even some of the most distinguished scholars have concluded that the Northern Route was not as important as now intended, among other reasons because it was much longer," adds the historian, who also based his critical thinking "in the picaresque imperative that seeks to capture the prestige of the Camino de Santiago ".
Leon is long, the province with more miles in the French route has over 200kms between Sahagun and height of Cebreiro. The president of the Association of Friends of the Camino de Santiago de León, Beatriz Gallego, is not so vehement. He has entered the controversy, but argues that the "natural path" is the French way. "So it has been for many centuries. It was the busiest, "he insists.
Beatriz Gallego does not deny the historical links of the North Road as it was always a Christian area. "But by that token, also others 'paths' deserve such recognition," she adds.
The forecast of the Board and the Central Government is that this year St. James, by the French Way, will have more than 200,000 pilgrims. There are more reasons, but increasing the number of visitors is one of the great Cantabrian project objectives.
"The nomination is in the indicative list, this means that the Government of Spain has it among its priorities," explains the CEO of Heritage of Asturias, Jose Luis Vega.
Currently, the Northern Route enjoys the declaration of a Cultural (BIC), but does not even remotely compare with infrastructure of the French Way. Some municipalities, like Aviles, have already announced they want to join the initiative by opening a shelter. The Northern Way enters Spain through Irun and runs throughout the Cantabrian coast. Along its route has several paths cross to join the French way. In La Rioja, Burgos, in Leon. Perhaps the most important is the route of San Salvador, linking with Leon Oviedo. "Neither can be neglected, but the Northern Way, if something is important, is the landmark of San Salvador" insists Paul Arribas.
"It's a place of pilgrimage and encounter between people and peoples through the centuries and has become a symbol of brotherhood and structuring of a European consciousness," says the Basque Government to support the initiative.
Some see this idea an attempt by the principality, in particular, lend a ember of his sardine, as in the controversy of the Via de la Plata. "Whoever goes to James and not the Savior, visited the man and not the Lord," reads a famous song. Perhaps the question remains is why did not ask before the declaration of Unesco, which has been almost 20 years.

http://www.la-cronica.net/2010/01/10/7- ... -64190.htm
 

Bridget and Peter

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sillydoll said:
On 21 December, representatives from the four autonomous communities of Cantabria met at the collegiate Zenarruza in the village of Markina Biscay.

Well, I hope they had a warmer welcome than we did in October - after a long steep drag uphill at the end of a long tiring day we struggled to get any response at the monastery. Eventually someone looked out of a window and pointed us round to the place we had first tried. Eventually we found two young pilgrims in the dark and dingy bare and cold room with a few bunks. The toilets and washing facilities were down an outside staircase. There was no evidence that a meal would be forthcoming as our previous information suggested, and we wimped out and went a few yards down the road to a bright and cheerful, warm and welcoming restaurant/hotel with dormitory accommodation for pilgrims, hot showers and the promise of a reviving meal for an all-in price!

Zenarruza was an interesting place to visit however :
 

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Bridget and Peter

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those were really nice photos, i thought that Norte was used when the moors were killing all the christians on the francis?..thus it shoud be considered a Major Route..i Vote Yes!...plus i want to walk it, after the Francis, and the Portugal walks, wow, what a journey to walk in the footstepes o Hisotry, Give them all an award!! walking is good.
 

mysticsmick

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I live on the camino between Gijón and Avilés.
Competition is made by walking
Of the 32 routes to Santiago, only one is a World Heritage Site. The Northern Way wants to be one. Another case like the Via de la Plata?

The controversy is served. Some of the most distinguished experts on the Camino de Santiago, as the Pablo Arribas, have already voiced opposition to extending the Unesco World Heritage Site declaration to the so-called Northern Route, which passes through the communities of the Basque Country, Cantabria, Asturias and Galicia.
Although there are many 'roads', only one, the so-called French, from Roncesvalles to Compostela, has the recognition of the Paris-based agency.
"It is a further invention, and they will end up spoiling" Burgos adventure writer, author of “Pícaros y picaresca en el Camino de Santiago” (Rogues and the picaresque in the Camino de Santiag), one of the most documented and best publications written to understand the ancient pilgrimage route.
On 21 December, representatives from the four autonomous communities of Cantabria met at the collegiate Zenarruza in the village of Markina Biscay. The meeting was also attended by a representative of the Ministry of Culture. The dossier to be referred to the headquarters of Unesco which is expected next year, aims at the expansion of the statement that in 1993 the organization awarded the French way.
Arribas is among the few who has raised his voice. He believes that the only interest of these autonomies is to promote a sector such as tourism. "Even some of the most distinguished scholars have concluded that the Northern Route was not as important as now intended, among other reasons because it was much longer," adds the historian, who also based his critical thinking "in the picaresque imperative that seeks to capture the prestige of the Camino de Santiago ".
Leon is long, the province with more miles in the French route has over 200kms between Sahagun and height of Cebreiro. The president of the Association of Friends of the Camino de Santiago de León, Beatriz Gallego, is not so vehement. He has entered the controversy, but argues that the "natural path" is the French way. "So it has been for many centuries. It was the busiest, "he insists.
Beatriz Gallego does not deny the historical links of the North Road as it was always a Christian area. "But by that token, also others 'paths' deserve such recognition," she adds.
The forecast of the Board and the Central Government is that this year St. James, by the French Way, will have more than 200,000 pilgrims. There are more reasons, but increasing the number of visitors is one of the great Cantabrian project objectives.
"The nomination is in the indicative list, this means that the Government of Spain has it among its priorities," explains the CEO of Heritage of Asturias, Jose Luis Vega.
Currently, the Northern Route enjoys the declaration of a Cultural (BIC), but does not even remotely compare with infrastructure of the French Way. Some municipalities, like Aviles, have already announced they want to join the initiative by opening a shelter. The Northern Way enters Spain through Irun and runs throughout the Cantabrian coast. Along its route has several paths cross to join the French way. In La Rioja, Burgos, in Leon. Perhaps the most important is the route of San Salvador, linking with Leon Oviedo. "Neither can be neglected, but the Northern Way, if something is important, is the landmark of San Salvador" insists Paul Arribas.
"It's a place of pilgrimage and encounter between people and peoples through the centuries and has become a symbol of brotherhood and structuring of a European consciousness," says the Basque Government to support the initiative.
Some see this idea an attempt by the principality, in particular, lend a ember of his sardine, as in the controversy of the Via de la Plata. "Whoever goes to James and not the Savior, visited the man and not the Lord," reads a famous song. Perhaps the question remains is why did not ask before the declaration of Unesco, which has been almost 20 years.

http://www.la-cronica.net/2010/01/10/7- ... -64190.htm

UNESCO has announced that El Camino del Norte has been placed on the World Heritage List… El Camino Primitivo (from Oviedo) and el Camino Costero (the coastal route) are now the patrimony of humanity.

http://www.lne.es/asturias/2015/07/05/unesco-declara-patrimonio-mundial-caminos/1782337.html#
 

Tia Valeria

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At last, recognition of the status of the Primitivo as the 'original route' and the recognition all these northern routes deserve. :)
 
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Anemone del Camino

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At last, recognition of the status of the Primitivo as the 'original route' and the recognition all these northern routes deserve. :)
Too late to purchase property to set up an albergue every 2km! While the recognition may be nice, the consequences may not be, as we have seen with the CF post certain movies. Hopefully the people living along those routes will have learned from what has happened with the CF, although Euros do speak quite loudly.
 

angulero

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angulero

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those were really nice photos, i thought that Norte was used when the moors were killing all the christians on the francis?..thus it shoud be considered a Major Route..i Vote Yes!...plus i want to walk it, after the Francis, and the Portugal walks, wow, what a journey to walk in the footstepes o Hisotry, Give them all an award!! walking is good.

Cuando se iniciaron las peregrinaciones, estaba empezando la reconquista, por lo que la meseta aún no era segura. Por esto, los peregrinos venían por el Norte. Estos caminos son anteriores al Camino Francés. Una vez que la meseta era segura, los peregrinos empezaron a peregrinar por el sur de la cordillera cantábrica, por ser un terreno más fácil de caminar.

When pilgrimages began, I was beginning the reconquest, so that the plateau was not safe. Therefore, the pilgrims coming from the north. These roads predate the French Way. Once the plateau was safe, the pilgrims began to journey to the south of the Cantabrian mountain range, being an easier terrain to walk.
 

MTtoCamino

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Cuando se iniciaron las peregrinaciones, estaba empezando la reconquista, por lo que la meseta aún no era segura. Por esto, los peregrinos venían por el Norte. Estos caminos son anteriores al Camino Francés. Una vez que la meseta era segura, los peregrinos empezaron a peregrinar por el sur de la cordillera cantábrica, por ser un terreno más fácil de caminar.

When pilgrimages began, I was beginning the reconquest, so that the plateau was not safe. Therefore, the pilgrims coming from the north. These roads predate the French Way. Once the plateau was safe, the pilgrims began to journey to the south of the Cantabrian mountain range, being an easier terrain to walk.
¿Puedes contarnos un intervalo de fechas de la carretera al norte se convirtió más seguro para los peregrinos que viajan

Can you tell us a date range when the north road became safer for pilgrims to travel?

Keith
 

angulero

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Lo tendría que mirar, pero por lo poco que pude leer, se habla del reinado de Sancho III. Lo que os cuento es lo que estudiábamos de críos en la escuela. Según avanzaba la reconquista hacia el sur, más seguro era caminar por la zona norte de Castilla, por lo que el camino Francés comenzó a ser más utilizado.

What would that look, but from what little I read, speak of the reign of Sancho III. What I tell you is what studying of kids at school. According to the reconquest he advanced southwards was walking safer northern Castilla, so the way French began to be used.

http://www.caminosnorte.org/historia.html

http://www.euskonews.com/0265zbk/gaia26505es.html
 

mysticsmick

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I live on the camino between Gijón and Avilés.
Too late to purchase property to set up an albergue every 2km! While the recognition may be nice, the consequences may not be, as we have seen with the CF post certain movies. Hopefully the people living along those routes will have learned from what has happened with the CF, although Euros do speak quite loudly.

Actually, there are several sites nearby us that could be made into something serving pilgrims, but the coastal route is not so heavily traveled and thus the economics aren't great.

What is already happening, is an attempt to change the route of the Camino as it passes through Carreño. The route has changed over many centuries. The current route passes by (and has for the last few centuries) the church Santa Eulalia, where pilgrims can rest on benches, layout on a lawn under the shade of trees, have access to fresh water, and can sleep in the church. Recently, a local politician (now the alcaldesa of Candás) has been changing the maps so that the Camino does not pass the church, but passes by a bar/restaurant and a siderería (both with limited hours)... both just happen to be neighbors of the alcaldesa.

By the way, what is the CF?
 
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Anemone del Camino

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Actually, there are several sites nearby us that could be made into something serving pilgrims, but the coastal route is not so heavily traveled and thus the economics aren't great....

By the way, what is the CF?
Mystickmick, CF is short for Camino Frances. As for my comment about realestate I was being sarcastic. After I walked my first Camimo in 2007 I thought opening an albergue to serve pilgrims would be a great retirement plan, in 25 years. After walking the Primitivo and endimg up in the last stages of the CF I started to wonder jow one could pick and choose the pilgrims one wants to host.

Learned today about yet another private venture of the Caminos asking for funding. I know of 3 and I am sure there are more. This one is outside of Grado on the Primitivo, apparently. And I say apparently because you have to dig really deep to find a photo of the house and its location. Skeptick me thinks the website and Facebook page are structured so they can be used for many other projects, but it certainly is a nifty dream: wwww.casitamandala.com. Happy read.
 

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