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@Thorben I’m not sure where you are going with this question. I see you have recently joined the forum. Please ensure you are familiar with the forum rules and in particular Rule 2.
Personally I would never carry a prayer book while on pilgrimage. I believe the recitation of the rosary is obligatory only to members of some specific confraternities, there is no obligation on pilgrims. Similarly recitation of Grace prior to meals is a matter of individual choice.
 

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Hi,
what prayer books do you take with you on camino? Obviously a lightweighted is to be preferred and I think rosary is obligatory.
What is the standard for prayers before communal meals?

There is no standard. You'll find many people walking the camino come from all over the world and have different faith backgrounds (or none at all) so hopefully this helps to adjust expectations on what is obligatory.
 
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I brought a lightweight wooden rosary and several prayer apps for my phone, including one with the rosary prayers in Spanish.

This was more useful than I thought it would be, because the local parishioners often pray the rosary before the pilgrims’ Mass and I could join in.

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I totally understand the question @Thorben , this was originally a religious pilgrimage and some people may wish to follow that tradition, specially believers. Plus there will be so many hours to be with your own thoughts during the camino!

In a ddition to many good camino tools, the Buen Camino app has 35 daily meditations; one for each stage from Antonio Danoz Fernández's book Walking to Santiago with the Gospel. The app suggests to read one meditation before you start your daily walk to ponder over it during those quiet hours. Unfortunately, they are in Spanish but you can copy&paste on google translate.

I also plan to buy a rosary at my start point that can be, in turn, a meaningful gift for my mother after my pilgrimage.

Ultreia !
 
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LavanyaLea

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Somewhere on this forum (maybe resources page?) there is a 40-day devotional, aimed at Camino Frances and starting a week-ish pre-Camino. If you can’t find it, PM me your email address and I can email that to you.

There’s also a pilgrim who wrote a daily devotional book, you can find kindle version so no extra weight to carry if you download it to your phone, available on Amazon.

In Santiago, all the gift shops sell rosaries, but I found the ones at the Cathedral look nicer, IMO. So I got one for my Mom, one with scallop shaped beads.
 

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I took the relevant pages of the magazine Magnificat, which has the daily mass readings as well other prayers, essays and meditations. The paper is wafer-thin, so no worries about extra weight. I also took a copy of the mass in Spanish, which I found online and printed out, as well as the Our Father and Hail Mary in Spanish for the special times when I was invited to say the rosary with some of the local churchgoers.

Universalis, mentioned above, is a great online resource, as is Laudate. I also took a Kindle version of a book based on the Psalms of Ascent, the prayers of the ancient Hebrews on their pilgrimages to the Temple in Jerusalem. This particular book was written for pilgrims going to Santiago. For the life of me, I can't find it on my phone now 😄 but as soon as I dig out the exact title and author I will post it.
 
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I also took a Kindle version of a book based on the Psalms of Ascent, the prayers of the ancient Hebrews on their pilgrimages to the Temple in Jerusalem.
I was going to say this too! Suitable for caminos lasting around the 2-week mark as there are 15 verses. So maybe Primitivo?

On the North Wales Pilgrim’s Way/Welsh Camino, on the 2nd day I had lunch in a churchyard, and found they had an outdoor meditation garden. There was a bench with this verse engraved on it. Later on I arrived in St Asaph cathedral where the first Welsh translation of the Bible was on display, and sure enough it was open on this page.
 

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daily Hours on an online app called "Universalis.com." It fits in my telephone, long as I have wifi I can get it all done. When offline I can also use the app OSH Daily Office, from the Order of Saint Helena.

a lightweight wooden rosary and several prayer apps for my phone, including one with the rosary prayers in Spanish.

This was more useful than I thought it would be, because the local parishioners often pray the rosary before the pilgrims’ Mass and I could join in.

@Thorben why not scan or locate a PDF of your favorite and put it on your phone that way you are not dependent on WIFI.

The only thing I carry is a dual language (Spanish/English) version of the Catholic mass which I’m fairly sure I found on here, somewhere. One sheet of waterproof paper, which is quite heavy enough. It helps me stand up and sit down at the right time.

Somewhere on this forum (maybe resources page?) there is a 40-day devotional, aimed at Camino Frances and starting a week-ish pre-Camino. If you can’t find it, PM me your email address and I can email that to you.

There’s also a pilgrim who wrote a daily devotional book, you can find kindle version so no extra weight to carry if you download it to your phone, available on Amazon.

I took the relevant pages of the magazine Magnificat, which has the daily mass readings as well other prayers, essays and meditations. The paper is wafer-thin, so no worries about extra weight. I also took a copy of the mass in Spanish, which I found online and printed out, as well as the Our Father and Hail Mary in Spanish for the special times when I was invited to say the rosary with some of the local churchgoers.

Universalis, mentioned above, is a great online resource, as is Laudate. I also took a Kindle version of a book based on the Psalms of Ascent, the prayers of the ancient Hebrews on their pilgrimages to the Temple in Jerusalem. This particular book was written for pilgrims going to Santiago. For the life of me, I can't find it on my phone now 😄 but as soon as I dig out the exact title and author I will post it.
Thank you so much for the wonderful resources! 💗
 
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I always carry with me two venerable Anglican Catholic standards! ... (1) The historic 1928 American Book of Common Prayer (which I use faithfully every day for my morning and evening offices), and (2) the 1953 US Armed Forces Prayer Book.... Same as back home.
 
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Hi,
what prayer books do you take with you on camino? Obviously a lightweighted is to be preferred and I think rosary is obligatory.
What is the standard for prayers before communal meals?
I bring Forward Day by Day. It is very small, and comes out every 3 months. Each page has verses and contemplation, and then some location around the world to pray for that day. Since it is printed every quarter, I can tear out the pages from weeks past to make it even more light weight. Some decades ago I made a promise to say the Rosary daily and I use my fingers to keep track, instead of fussing with beads.
 
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Hi,
what prayer books do you take with you on camino? Obviously a lightweighted is to be preferred and I think rosary is obligatory.
What is the standard for prayers before communal meals?
I carry no prayer book. It is not obligatory to say the rosary. There is no standard for prayers before communal meals. 👣
 

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Somewhere on this forum (maybe resources page?) there is a 40-day devotional, aimed at Camino Frances and starting a week-ish pre-Camino. If you can’t find it, PM me your email address and I can email that to you.
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@LavanyaLea Lea If you mean this 'Forty Days' devotional it is still available on-line as a pdf file, so will load onto a phone.
We took it on the Primitivo and it is good. Bible readings for meditation, and pictures but not prayers.
Buen Camino @Thorben
 

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I don't take any prayer books. I have never noticed an obvious prayer before communal meals.


Except at certain parroquial albergues where you would be invited to a prayer and even there it was always a gentle question and certainly not a moral obligation.
It was accepted that others and I would not join in praying.

I remember ,on my first Camino, that in the donativo in Tosantos the hospi went with some pilgrims to church while two other pilgrims and I stayed in the albergue prepping the meal for all of us.
 
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Hi,
what prayer books do you take with you on camino? Obviously a lightweighted is to be preferred and I think rosary is obligatory.
What is the standard for prayers before communal meals?
What is the standard for prayers before communal meals?
I read the rules. Nobody needs to judge it, just give inspiration.
I have never noticed an obvious prayer before communal meals.
I believe the recitation of the rosary is obligatory only to members of some specific confraternities, there is no obligation on pilgrims. Similarly recitation of Grace prior to meals is a matter of individual choice.
I took the time to insert these quotes for a specific reason. I would never and I have never met anyone on any camino I have walked that have judged how others have expressed their faith. I do not see where Tincatinker expressed judgement of how you want to pray or in what manner etc. I have never sat at a communal meal where there was a prayer before the meal. I am not saying it does not happen especially in a parochial donativo/albergue. But when I have heard blessings in different settings they are generic in nature and non specific to any religion. If you want to pray before a meal go right ahead and do it. Many people take comfort in prayer and others like myself believe they are not divine and have no personal connection to the prayers. Then there are others who fall somewhere in the middle. No matter just do what you feel you need to do. There are no judgements. Often I find judgements that are expressed here, myself included are defenses against people who have a different outlook or experience. Maybe protestations about judgements by well meaning others is a protection from us opening our own eyes to see what others may see.
Remember stating to Tincatinker that he is judging you is as large a judgement as anything you perceived he said. Of course this is how I judge the situation!
 
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Somewhere on this forum (maybe resources page?) there is a 40-day devotional, aimed at Camino Frances and starting a week-ish pre-Camino. If you can’t find it, PM me your email address and I can email that to you.

There’s also a pilgrim who wrote a daily devotional book, you can find kindle version so no extra weight to carry if you download it to your phone, available on Amazon.

In Santiago, all the gift shops sell rosaries, but I found the ones at the Cathedral look nicer, IMO. So I got one for my Mom, one with scallop shaped beads.
Please pm me, I'd be grateful
 

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Two venerable Anglican Catholic standards! (1) The historic 1928 American Book of Common Prayer (which I use faithfully every day for my morning and evening offices), and (2) the 1953 US Armed Forces Prayer Book.... Same as back home.
What a great resource! I never knew that US Armed Forces Prayer Book existed. Thank you so much for the recommendation!
 

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@LavanyaLea Lea If you mean this 'Forty Days' devotional it is still available on-line as a pdf file, so will load onto a phone.
We took it on the Primitivo and it is good. Bible readings for meditation, and pictures but not prayers.
Buen Camino @Thorben
Thank you so very much for this link. We're planning the VdlP next Spring and will take this with us! These different resources are really helpful.
 
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Hi,
what prayer books do you take with you on camino? Obviously a lightweighted is to be preferred and I think rosary is obligatory.
What is the standard for prayers before communal meals?
That is a personal choice, as far as prayers before meals there were only a few alburges that had prayers before a provided meal.. For myself I thanked the Lord for the day, the people and asked for continued blessings for all those on the Camino. While walking I prayed continuously though not formally though I noticed quickly that if I didn’t say a prayer first thing my walk was off then I would click in that I hadn’t and then say a prayer my day always got better ❤️
 
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That is a personal choice, as far as prayers before meals there were only a few alburges that had prayers before a provided meal.. For myself I thanked the Lord for the day, the people and asked for continued blessings for all those on the Camino. While walking I prayed continuously though not formally though I noticed quickly that if I didn’t say a prayer first thing my walk was off then I would click in that I hadn’t and then say a prayer my day always got better ❤️
I’m not religious (in fact I used to be quite anti though have mellowed). I don’t pray, go to church or ‘believe’. But I have quite enjoyed being part of something (people praying before meals, going to church, etc) on the Camino which may sound daft given I am a non believer but it’s added to my Camino experience. Several other folks have said the same to me, and I don’t think most folks feel it (the religious aspect of the canaino) is tricky, intimidating, mandatory or anything else. Similar to when I was working and getting involved in Diwali and Ramadan.

I clicked on the lpost despite above and felt the OP put the question in a good manner and that the response about rules was reasonable too!

Similarly this forum (to me) feels that it had quite a heavy religious slant, but thats fine too! The Camino has the history it has and thats to be expected. I’m don’t tend to use the word ‘pilgrim’ as I know it’s doesn’t describe me, and I sometimes feels little guilty or ride about that, but that’s about the only bit I avoid!

This post may be vary clumsy as I am a not an expert on the subject!
 

MichelleElynHogan

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The most significant prayers are those that come from the heart. It may not be a common or comfortable practice. It is a choice, not a condemnation.

And some opportunities may come up at communal meals. All are asked if they care to offer a prayer before the Meal. I did have a couple written out for that occasion.

So, weight wise, shedding some weight from your heart before departure, may help. Otherwise, wait for the Camino to take care of that.

Buen Camino!
 

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Like most things on the Camino, you can be surprised by the resources that you find along the way - often more than the ones you pack in your bag or in your phone! Some of the churches and chapels along the Camino have lovely local prayers and blessings for pilgrims. They carry the particular flavour of the Camino’s history in the different shrines along the way, and a sense of many other pilgrims who have joined in heartfelt prayer. If you are going over the Pyrenees, be sure to join the pilgrim mass at Roncevalles. The blessing at the end of the service is especially moving (you can Google to find the text) and is often pronounced by the clergy in dozens of languages to encourage the gathered pilgrims.
Whatever you take or discover along the way, may the Pilgrim God guide your steps and bring you safely home.
 
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I totally understand the question @Thorben , this was originally a religious pilgrimage and some people may wish to follow that tradition, specially believers. Plus there will be so many hours to be with your own thoughts during the camino!

In a ddition to many good camino tools, the Buen Camino app has 35 daily meditations; one for each stage from Antonio Danoz Fernández's book Walking to Santiago with the Gospel. The app suggests to read one meditation before you start your daily walk to ponder over it during those quiet hours. Unfortunately, they are in Spanish but you can copy&paste on google translate.

I also plan to buy a rosary at my start point that can be, in turn, a meaningful gift for my mother after my pilgrimage.

Ultreia !
Wait to buy your rosaries until you get to Santiago. I purchased some for my aunts. The intermediate beads were silver metal sea shells. Also have them blessed at the cathedral. I'm not devote but my aunts are and the sea shell ornaments reminded them of my pilgrimage. So who's the better catholic now Aunt Ima?
 

lt56ny

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Somewhere on this forum (maybe resources page?) there is a 40-day devotional, aimed at Camino Frances and starting a week-ish pre-Camino. If you can’t find it, PM me your email address and I can email that to you.

There’s also a pilgrim who wrote a daily devotional book, you can find kindle version so no extra weight to carry if you download it to your phone, available on Amazon.

In Santiago, all the gift shops sell rosaries, but I found the ones at the Cathedral look nicer, IMO. So I got one for my Mom, one with scallop shaped beads.
I am sure there is an interview with the author of this devotional (or a similar one) either on the My Camino or Camino Cafe podcasts. I am sure it would be pretty easy to find.
 

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I am sure there is an interview with the author of this devotional (or a similar one) either on the My Camino or Camino Cafe podcasts. I am sure it would be pretty easy to find.
He probably did multiple interviews, the one I listened to was the one with El Camino People.

 
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Except at certain parroquial albergues where you would be invited to a prayer and even there it was always a gentle question and certainly not a moral obligation.
It was accepted that others and I would not join in praying.

I remember ,on my first Camino, that in the donativo in Tosantos the hospi went with some pilgrims to church while two other pilgrims and I stayed in the albergue prepping the meal for all of us.
On my first camino I stayed in the Parochial Rectory in Bercianos. To this day it is my favorite albergue even though the floor squeezed like crazy when someone went to the bathroom at night. We shared in preparing a wonderful communal dinner and people from each country would get together and sing a song from their country. It was fantastic. After dinner a young priest took some of us into a meditation room and he gave beautiful blessings for us. We then went around the room holding a candle to say our names where we were from and something about why we have come or what we may have discovered. Everyone spoke in their own language. It was a powerful spiritual experience I will not forget.
 

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We are walking the "voie de capitales" from mont st michel to santiago. We are the slowest pilgrims only able to do four days a year at the moment ....but taking each beautiful step at at time.
I pray the daily Hours on an online app called "Universalis.com." It fits in my telephone, long as I have wifi I can get it all done. When offline I can also use the app OSH Daily Office, from the Order of Saint Helena.
Hi Rebekah,
As we are talking about Rosaries ( loosely), and I can never remember how to actually post on this wonderful forum. I would like to say thank you for cycling over to Albergue la Morena in Ledigos from Moratinos to retrieve my very precious Rosary, and post it back to me here in Wales, with the beautiful addition of the Saint Benedict medal. You did not require recompense, and I will keep you in the prayers you asked for. Thorben, wishing you a wonderful Camino, whatever your journey may be.
 
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What a great question and good discussion.

I agree that there certainly is no obligation to participate in any kind of religious or spiritual protocol anywhere on the Camino.

Nevertheless, I wanted to see what boost a Camino would have on my admittedly flagging religious sentiment. I took a small book of Psalms - I think it was selected psalms, to make a slim volume even slimmer. I like the Psalms because there is one for every imaginable human emotion, they can be taken in short bites, and they are lyrical.

I took a rosary with me and started each day, walking solo before getting that first cup of coffee, with a rosary. Easy peasy. By the end, I had it pretty well memorized.

The rosary routine, walking solo, a few miracles along the way, all changed my outlook on God, religion, the human experience and my infinitesimal part in it, in unimaginable and totally unexpected ways for the better.

A couple of comments - getting a blessed rosary from Santiago is wonderful, but if you wait until you get to Santiago to get your rosary, what are you using for the hundreds of previous kilometers? Take a rosary with you from the beginning. Also, although I appreciate the convenience of using your phone for apps, walking and reading on your phone doesn’t sound like the safest way to get from point a to point b. I’m such a klutz as it is. I used a slip of paper with brief notes when I needed a reminder of what comes next and I made up my own personal ways of doing the rosary.

I feel uncomfortable being “forced” to share personal details with strangers. Introvert, what can I say.

The only time there were actual group prayers were in Mass.
 

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I totally understand the question @Thorben , this was originally a religious pilgrimage and some people may wish to follow that tradition, specially believers. Plus there will be so many hours to be with your own thoughts during the camino!

In a ddition to many good camino tools, the Buen Camino app has 35 daily meditations; one for each stage from Antonio Danoz Fernández's book Walking to Santiago with the Gospel. The app suggests to read one meditation before you start your daily walk to ponder over it during those quiet hours. Unfortunately, they are in Spanish but you can copy&paste on google translate.

I also plan to buy a rosary at my start point that can be, in turn, a meaningful gift for my mother after my pilgrimage.

Ultreia !
Oye muchísimas gracias!!! Spanish is my first language and I didn't know about the daily meditations options. I already have the app on my phone, but after reading your advice I found the meditations under 'Guía del Peregrino'. Saludos.
 
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Hi,
what prayer books do you take with you on camino? Obviously a lightweighted is to be preferred and I think rosary is obligatory.
What is the standard for prayers before communal meals?
I have not noticed any prayer books or anyone having one.
 

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I use the app Evangelizo. Lots of languages to choose from, The Mass for each day is available in a choice of three liturgical calendars. It also has a selection of the most popular prayers of the universal Church.

Additionally I took Dom Bede Jarrett's No Abiding City with me. A series of short reflections on seeing this life as a continual pilgrimage.
 

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it’s a very reasonable question. Your question did not even ask about a prayer book for a specific religion, just what prayer book others recommend.

That said, they are many daily prayer guides you could use. It depends also if you are looking for something that is a short inspirational paragraph you could read in the morning and contemplate during the day, or something you want to read in depth when you stop. Though I am an avid reader, the latter would have been too much on the Camino for me. Works like 365 day devotionals (maybe based on your favorite religious writer or leader - I find works on Padre Pio inspirational).

Rather than take full works, I copied only sections of works so I did need to be bogged down with extra weight.

In spite of the somewhat surprising response you got to your question, there are many people who still walk the Camino as a religious pilgrimage. We found people of like mind everywhere there. Walk. Pray. Listen and take it all in. It will be with you forever.
 

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Hi,
what prayer books do you take with you on camino? Obviously a lightweighted is to be preferred...
@Thorben , if you have Spotify in your cellphone, I just found this beautiful prayer playlist. If you subscribe to the free trial, do it before your camino so you can download it in your phone for those times when there is no WiFi 😉:
Oye muchísimas gracias!!! Spanish is my first language and I didn't know about the daily meditations options. I already have the app on my phone, but after reading your advice I found the meditations under 'Guía del Peregrino'. Saludos.
¡Oye, un placer peregrino! Luego nos pensamos que hay más recursos en inglés y mira 🤓
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Moderators, please don't shut this thread, it has great resources.

How about everyone agrees that there are people that want to do the pilgrimage for religious reasons and that there are others that don't?
The camino brings good to all ❤️

Has the administrator thought of having a section for religious topics so believers don't offend others?

Buen camino!
 

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Moderators, please don't shut this thread, it has great resources.

How about everyone agrees that there are people that want to do the pilgrimage for religious reasons and that there are others that don't?
The camino brings good to all ❤️

Has the administrator thought of having a section for religious topics so believers don't offend others?

Buen camino!
This is a religious topic and it hasn't been closed....yet. It's when people make broad argumentative statements like that the Camino is only for religious purposes and not spiritual it gets close to breaking rule#2.
I have met pilgrims of all religions and none on the Camino and all of them are entitled to be there and to suggest that it is only for Catholics, which it has in the past, is nonsense.
 

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At risk of returning to the original post, I would add in the app iBreviary as highly useful. Not only can you get the parts of the mass, the schedule of readings, the liturgy of the hours, and a plethora of regular Catholic prayers, you can also get them in Spanish which will help you to follow along.

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is The
Way of the Pilgrim, and specifically the Jesus prayer, which I find an ideal way of praying while walking.

Another thought is something like an audible version of Teresa of Avila's Way of Perfection or Interior Castle, or one of John of the Cross' books. On my first Camino, I listen to and reflected on Interior Castle for much of the walk, and it revolutionized my spiritual life.
 

koilife

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Another thought, if you regularly pray the liturgy of the hours, you might consider bringing your breviery. Yes, it is extra weight, but if you sit at a table or a bench and pray morning or evening prayer, you might be surprised at the number of seminarians, religious, deacon, or priests who will note it and make contact.
 

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At risk of returning to the original post, I would add in the app iBreviary as highly useful. Not only can you get the parts of the mass, the schedule of readings, the liturgy of the hours, and a plethora of regular Catholic prayers, you can also get them in Spanish which will help you to follow along.

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is The
Way of the Pilgrim, and specifically the Jesus prayer, which I find an ideal way of praying while walking.

Another thought is something like an audible version of Teresa of Avila's Way of Perfection or Interior Castle, or one of John of the Cross' books. On my first Camino, I listen to and reflected on Interior Castle for much of the walk, and it revolutionized my spiritual life.
Thank you for the app idea, the lighter the better! Cherry on top: bilingual!!!

All your tips are 👍🏼👍🏼
 
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