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Questions about Pamplona to Burgos to recent walkers

simply B

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Hola, Peregrino(a)s!

My son and I are getting together for extended travel for the first time since his early teens and this is the section that he chose to walk...out of any in the world!

I would not bother to ask these questions but for the fact that the Camino has been evolving at a fairly rapid clip and it has been a few years since I was last on this stretch.

We will only have about 8-10 days available for walking in late April to early May. We will arrive Pamplona from the US one day and start walking the next. So, now you have the background, onto the questions:

a) Does Caminoteca have walking staffs? (I lack the motor skills to use sticks. True fact!) Other vendor options for a staff that would be open as early as 8 am?

b) Has the rocky grade down from Alto de Perdon been improved or is it still treacherous footing? (Strangely, I seem to have gotten older in the last few years. :()

c) I do not think a full day to Puente le Reina is in the cards given the circumstances of the first day out.. So, which is the better place to catch a taxi - Uterga or Zariquiegui?

Many thanks in advance for your help!

B
 

ginniek

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frances 2017
a) All the stores catering to Camino walkers seemed to be open early, although I really didn't pay attention to their names.

b) It is still what I consider treacherous, I'm 73 and live in the flat Lowcountry of South Carolina. I was especially glad I was wearing boots because I was concerned about twisting my ankle (one of my few joints without arthritis).

c) Someone at one of the bars or albergues in either will probably be able to help you call a taxi.
 

Felipe

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Both Uterga and Zariquiegui and little villages. Usually that means that you will need to call a taxi (from a bar, as @ginniek said). But wait, there is another interesting possibility. Both villages have albergues. Stay at Muruzabal, make calmly the arrangement for a taxi to pick you up next morning, have some rest, and in the afternoon visit the wonderful and magic Eunate chapel, just a short walk from Muruzabal. Believe me, it is a visit you will remember forever.
 

NualaOC

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Hola, Peregrino(a)s!
I do not think a full day to Puente le Reina is in the cards given the circumstances of the first day out.. So, which is the better place to catch a taxi - Uterga or Zariquiegui?
B
How about taking a bus or taxi from Pamplona to Cizur Menor? That would shorten your first day (by 5kms), without interrupting the flow of a continuous walk.

Wishing you both a Buen Camino - what a lovely way to spend time together,
 

David

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Moissac to Santiago Spring 2005 was the first foray.
How marvellous to had a dad/son walk on the Camino!!!! Sure, you will see staffs at many shops but you cannot guarantee when and where ... unless you have time in Pamplona to look around before you start. If you arrive by bus there is a shop in the bus station, Azular, which sells books and guides and "things Camino" and I am fairly sure I saw staffs there last April - though I may be wrong (I often am).

Rather than taking a taxi anywhere you could stroll out the easy 5 kms to Cizur Menur and stay at the very pleasant and comfortable Albergue Peregrinos Maribel Roncal.

The descent from the Alto de Perdon is as it has always been ... boulders, loose - but don't be put off as it is a marvellous descent, utterly beautiful. The only place on the planet I have walked upon where I wouldn't have been surprised to see dinosaurs! Don't be put off by the scare mongerers, the fearful, as it is perfectly safe on the one condition that you go slowly. If you don't go slowly you will find yourself speeding up and may take a tumble - slow and sure does it.
However, if your heart fails you you can take the small tarmac road to the right from the top and turn left at the bottom and left again and you will end up in the same village you would have arrived at, Uterga. Adds a couple of kms but is good tarmac all the way and not steep.

Uterga has refugios, as does Muruzabel .... so you don't have to worry about doing great distances - in fact, lose that now - you don't have to walk exhausting distances on any day ... the guide books are exactly that, guide books, not rule books - so walk the distances that you want to walk and stop when tired ... is a lovely section your son has chosen, with plenty of refugios - none of which will be very busy - and places to eat all along the way ... so be relaxed - enjoy!!

Keep an eye on the weather before you go - this is a good site to do that - https://www.accuweather.com/

Buen Camino!!
 
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lt56ny

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CF(2012) Le Puy/CF (2015) Portugues (2017) Norte (2018) CF (2019) VDLP?
Go on their website and email them. The owner is a really nice guy. Explain your situation. I was there at the end of October last year. I don’t remember if they had staffs but you can always buy one Walkingstick. Maybe you could pick out a Walkingstick and have them deliver it to your hotel. Or some kind of messenger service if you will not arrive before they close or leave before they open. I do remember walking by and they were open pretty late.
 

marylynn

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2011-2019 CF, Arles/Aragones
2015 & 2017 HærvejenDK
Yes, the path down from Alto de Perdon is as it always has been and I was worried about walking safely down when I walked in the fall. It rained through the night and I was worried about slippery rocks, but instead of slipping and sliding down the hill, the ground was soft and all the many smaller rocks were imbedded firmly in the soil and there was no slipping and sliding. The larger rocks were easy to miss. There were some little side-paths on the left that allowed you to walk on a grassy, soft path and avoid the rocks. It was the best walk down that dreaded path ever!
 

simply B

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somewhere between "not enough" and "way too many"
Thank you all for the wonderfully useful replies! I am mightily encouraged but prepared with alternatives.

And, yes, I have always found Eunate to be exactly as you described, @Felipe, "magical"! That is why I would like my son to see it...

B
 

AlwynWellington

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@simply B , I am pleased to read the report by @marylynn

On the other hand I am one whose feet seem to slip and slide on the type of surface presented by that descent.

Were I back on that route this is what I would now do.
1) at the summit of Alto-del-Perdon turn right on to the road;
2) down the hill (2 km) past the dozen or so windmills;
3) at the foot take the foothills road to my left (NA1110)
4) after 1 km or so take the left (NA6016) towards Uterga
5) continue nearly 4 km (passing under the Autostrada) to Uterga

This compares with 4 km on the "official" route. Most probably not as scenic as @marylynn description.

kia kaha (take care, be strong, get going)
 

Rpeet1

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Starting in Porto may 2019
we did pamplona to burgos last May...holler if you have questions.
 

gerip

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CF, Lourdes to Burgos, Oct 2018
CF, Burgos to Santiago, May 2019
Ingles, Sep - Oct 2019
How about taking a bus or taxi from Pamplona to Cizur Menor? That would shorten your first day (by 5kms), without interrupting the flow of a continuous walk.

Wishing you both a Buen Camino - what a lovely way to spend time together,
Or just stay at the albergue in Cizur Menor and set out from there in the AM. The city bus leaves from the other side of town, stops right in front of the albergue.
 

Juanma

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Camino(s) past & future
Primitivo (2015 and 2016)
You chose a wonderful section of the Camino and a nice time of the year.

www.caminoteca.com says that in April they are open since 8.00h, so you are fine with that.

The way down from Perdón, as has already been mentioned, is still rocky.

And finally, as also said earlier, don't feel obligated to stat at the towns mentioned in books as "end of stage". You can stay in Zariquiegui (one or two albergues), Uterga (two albergues and a hostel), Muruzabal (at least two albergues), etc... No rush or rules here!

Enjoy your Camino!
 

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