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Rain issues...Goretex Jacket 670 g vs Rain Jacket 340g

holhum

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Camino(s) past & future
Planning for Leon to Santiago June 2019
Seeking yet more advice....I start in Leon on 1 June and while slow, I will still get to Santiago in three weeks. I have the two options for rainy weather listed in the title. The rain jacket is just a single layer, the Goretex is padded. I am struggling with knowing how to pack for what is to me, an Australian from the subtropics, cooler weather (12-22 degrees I gather).

Our rain only falls in the heat of summer....so no such thing as cold, rainy weather here. June in Spain looks more like our winter in terms of temps, but possibly wet unlike here. I don't have rain pants, and my shoes are not rain proof as I have to cater to foot problems and waterproof boots sadly didn't work out for me.

I have NO experience in walking in cool/cold (to me!), wet weather, so I really don't know what to pack. I have a small 30litre pack weighing around 5 kg when full which is plenty for my back.

PS I do have both a pack cover and wet bags for inside the pack.

Thanks!
 

Lindsay53

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Planning to walk April /May 19
I would take the single layer rain jacket and have a separate fleece for if you feel cold. You can then wear just the rain jacket over your base layer without sweltering in the padded Goretex. Even Queenslanders can adapt to the cooler weather 😅 and you will find it much more comfortable walking without the humidity you are used to.
 

scruffy1

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Holy Year from Pamplona 2010, SJPP 2011, Lisbon 2012, Le Puy 2013, Vezelay (partial watch this space!) 2014; 2015 Toulouse-Puenta la Reina (Arles)
A rain jacket over a fleece works for me, ventilation is the problem for me - don't like ponchos something like portable saunas, serious rain "gear" and the sweat which in cold weather makes you shiver, hoodies fleece or otherwise - the head covering always causes my glasses to fog over and I can't see anything taking them off is not an option since again I can't see anything. My solution?
Check the photograph <- an Aussie bush hat is wonderful against the rain against the sun and causes no problem with my glasses.
 

holhum

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Camino(s) past & future
Planning for Leon to Santiago June 2019
A rain jacket over a fleece works for me, ventilation is the problem for me - don't like ponchos something like portable saunas, serious rain "gear" and the sweat which in cold weather makes you shiver, hoodies fleece or otherwise - the head covering always causes my glasses to fog over and I can't see anything taking them off is not an option since again I can't see anything. My solution?
Check the photograph <- an Aussie bush hat is wonderful against the rain against the sun and causes no problem with my glasses.
Ah yes, foggy glasses! Makes everyone look younger at least, including my image in the mirror 😄 Thank you for your advice!
 

David

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Moissac to Santiago Spring 2005 was the first foray.
Hi Holhum, is a really good question and each returning pilgrim will have come up with the answer that is good for them.
Even if you are a sunny Aussie it is usually pretty warm in June - and pretty dry, though that cannot be guaranteed.
The 'problem' with rain jackets, Goretex included, is that when wearing a pack all the straps close it hard against your body, and with the exertion of walking you can get wet inside through sweating, which is why so many go for a good poncho.
I think that the answer for you - mentioned above, is some sort of fleece and the light rain jacket, or a poncho.

Think of it as keeping your body warm through base layers with something on top to keep it dry - if you are against using a poncho I would suggest the light rain jacket - you certainly won't want a padded coat in June. I was out on the Meseta last June and it was up in the high thirties then!

I am off to Camino on Sunday to do first aid and have a similar problem - will be warm and cool on different days, and will include showers ... I usually just take my poncho but because of the time of year I am taking back-up - my answer is a lightweight Musto (they make sailing gear) wind-breaker jacket, 590 gms, that is like a fleece but totally wind-proof and smooth on the outside and shower resistant and a 360 gms hooded rain jacket - with one or both this will give me the option of being warm on early mornings and cold days - but as it is early season I am also taking my Ikea poncho, 195 gms, to put over everything if it becomes torrential.

But! this is only my personal choice! - oh, one thing .. the hoods on ponchos and those lightweight rain jackets .. to keep the rain from running down your face you will need a peaked cap, a baseball cap - works a treat!
 
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Jodean

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
22 Sept. to 21 Oct. 2015, Pamplona to Santiago
6-23.04 Porto to Santiago 2018
17.09-30.09 CF 2018
Yep, a good poncho with the extra pocket on the back keeps everything dry, so you can leave the dry bag and the pack cover at home. We got Bluefields from Amazon in Germany, which are similar to Altus, but a lot cheaper and lighter. Paid 39€ for them and they were perfect in the 4 days of pouring rain last April in Portugal.
 
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Camino Frances May / Jun 2015
Camino Frances Oct / Nov 2016
Camino Frances May June 2018
CF(2020)
Based on my person experience, I recommend a lighter weight rain jacket in place of a poncho. I took a full length / zip up poncho, and rain jacket and rain paints on my first two Caminos. Ditched the poncho on the third. Fortunately I never experienced the "sauna" inside of rain gear others report, even though I had about 10 days of rain during my last Camino. I enjoyed having the extra layer of a rain jacket / wind breaker many mornings. Sometimes I also wore the rain trousers in the early morning hours to ward off the chill. On all three Caminos I saw a large number of pilgrims wearing ponchos which were being blown about, flapping in the wind, not really providing a significant amount of protection from the rain and cold. But it all boils down to personal preference and prior experiences with both rain gear and ponchos.
 
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dgallen

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (5), Portuguese, Norte, Primitivo(2), Aragones, Finisterre/Muxia (3), Camino del Rey
Not usually a fan of ponchos like Altus etc., which are heavy and for me act as a sweat tent. In cooler weather when you stop you can get pretty chilled. I do have a sea to summit silicon poncho which is ultra light and compact (size of a pop can). Expensive but a good compromise in a week of rain. I do like trekking umbrellas that cover you and attach to your pack making it handsfree, so you can still use your walking poles. Not a good option in meseta winds however. I have a North Face Dryzzle Gortex jacket that is good, but although Gortex claims it breathes, when you work up a sweat walking up a hill I sometimes stow it and just go with a tshirt, since I am going to get wet anyway.

For boots or shoes in really rainy weather I wear plastic bags over my socks tied at the ankle since your boots or shoes are most likely to get wet inside and outside anyway.
 

holhum

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Planning for Leon to Santiago June 2019
Hi Holhum, is a really good question and each returning pilgrim will have come up with the answer that is good for them.
Even if you are a sunny Aussie it is usually pretty warm in June - and pretty dry, though that cannot be guaranteed.
The 'problem' with rain jackets, Goretex included, is that when wearing a pack all the straps close it hard against your body, and with the exertion of walking you can get wet inside through sweating, which is why so many go for a good poncho.
I think that the answer for you - mentioned above, is some sort of fleece and the light rain jacket, or a poncho.

Think of it as keeping your body warm through base layers with something on top to keep it dry - if you are against using a poncho I would suggest the light rain jacket - you certainly won't want a padded coat in June. I was out on the Meseta last June and it was up in the high thirties then!

I am off to Camino on Sunday to do first aid and have a similar problem - will be warm and cool on different days, and will include showers ... I usually just take my poncho but because of the time of year I am taking back-up - my answer is a lightweight Musto (they make sailing gear) wind-breaker jacket, 590 gms, that is like a fleece but totally wind-proof and smooth on the outside and shower resistant and a 360 gms hooded rain jacket - with one or both this will give me the option of being warm on early mornings and cold days - but as it is early season I am also taking my Ikea poncho, 195 gms, to put over everything if it becomes torrential.

But! this is only my personal choice! - oh, one thing .. the hoods on ponchos and those lightweight rain jackets .. to keep the rain from running down your face you will need a peaked cap, a baseball cap - works a treat!
Thanks! That all sounds very sensible. I just bought a Northface cap in a quick dry fabric for that very reason. Wet glasses vs blind if I take them off won’t make it any easier to walk in the rain!
 

holhum

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Planning for Leon to Santiago June 2019
Based on my person experience, I recommend a lighter weight rain jacket in place of a poncho. I took a full length / zip up poncho, and rain jacket and rain paints on my first two Caminos. Ditched the poncho on the third. Fortunately I never experienced the "sauna" inside of rain gear others report, even though I had about 10 days of rain during my last Camino. I enjoyed having the extra layer of a rain jacket / wind breaker many mornings. Sometimes I also wore the rain trousers in the early morning hours to ward off the chill. On all three Caminos I saw a large number of pilgrims wearing ponchos which were being blown about, flapping in the wind, not really providing a significant amount of protection from the rain and cold. But it all boils down to personal preference and prior experiences with both rain gear and ponchos.
Thanks yes I fear the ‘sail’ qualities of a poncho in the wind which was why I thought a jacket might be better!
 

holhum

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Planning for Leon to Santiago June 2019
Not usually a fan of ponchos like Altus etc., which are heavy and for me act as a sweat tent. In cooler weather when you stop you can get pretty chilled. I do have a sea to summit silicon poncho which is ultra light and compact (size of a pop can). Expensive but a good compromise in a week of rain. I do like trekking umbrellas that cover you and attach to your pack making it handsfree, so you can still use your walking poles. Not a good option in meseta winds however. I have a North Face Dryzzle Gortex jacket that is good, but although Gortex claims it breathes, when you work up a sweat walking up a hill I sometimes stow it and just go with a tshirt, since I am going to get wet anyway.

For boots or shoes in really rainy weather I wear plastic bags over my socks tied at the ankle since your boots or shoes are most likely to get wet inside and outside anyway.
Oh yes my shoes got SO wet when I walked in heavy rain just for 10 min the other day and in our humidity they are still drying out! I guess gaiters or plastic bags are an option 😁
 

Jodean

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
22 Sept. to 21 Oct. 2015, Pamplona to Santiago
6-23.04 Porto to Santiago 2018
17.09-30.09 CF 2018
Well, I walked in 35-40km winds and pouring rain, and my poncho does not fly around like a sail. The form fitting pocket on the back prevents this from happening. It is also a lot lighter than an Altus, only weighing 330gr. Others walking by, soaking wet in their rain coats, because of the straps on their packs making water leak in, told me they were jealous.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2008, 2009), Camino Frances (2011)
Porto to SDC (7/2017)
Something else to consider is that Goretex will block those cold north winds and if it has pit zips you can adjust your ventilation. Also while exploring towns and villages I have always preferred a jacket.
Ponchos make a great picnic spread and has many other uses that a stranded pilgrim could find handy.
I carry both.
 

Anniesantiago

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Nearly every year since 2006, often walking more than one route. 2018 was Camino #14
The times I have taken a jacket in early spring or late autumn, I have never used it.
If I put it on in the early morning, I'm peeling it off within 10 minutes of walking.
To me, a fleece or lightweight merino shirt with a windbreaker type jacket over it is enough,
even in the coolest weather, unless you're walking a winter Camino.

I do love my ALTUS poncho - and if vented correctly, it doesn't get me wet inside it, but a jacket is also fine.
 

jo webber

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Sept 9th 2017
I used a light weight Sea to Summit poncho. The trick to keeping it from flying around is to use a heavy string/light rope to tie a belt around your waist. I a very small, so most rain gear was too big. My clothes line string was my belt. I also had enough to cut some off and share with others. LOL, I never did use it as a clothes line.
 

davebugg

"When I Have Your Wounded" - Dustoff Motto
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances...
Sept. 2017: SJPdP to Burgos
Sept./Oct. 2018: SJPdP to Santiago de Compostela
Seeking yet more advice....I start in Leon on 1 June and while slow, I will still get to Santiago in three weeks. I have the two options for rainy weather listed in the title. The rain jacket is just a single layer, the Goretex is padded. I am struggling with knowing how to pack for what is to me, an Australian from the subtropics, cooler weather (12-22 degrees I gather).

Our rain only falls in the heat of summer....so no such thing as cold, rainy weather here. June in Spain looks more like our winter in terms of temps, but possibly wet unlike here. I don't have rain pants, and my shoes are not rain proof as I have to cater to foot problems and waterproof boots sadly didn't work out for me.

I have NO experience in walking in cool/cold (to me!), wet weather, so I really don't know what to pack. I have a small 30litre pack weighing around 5 kg when full which is plenty for my back.

PS I do have both a pack cover and wet bags for inside the pack.

Thanks!
Below is a post I have made on this issue before. Maybe it will be of help :)
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Water will enter trail runner shoes, hiking shoes, or backpacking boots through any opening during a rainstorm, when walking through wet grass and brush, or drench into them if you walk through puddles or other standing water along the Camino.

There are two potential remedies to this problem, neither of which is always effective.
  • First, you can try keeping rain pants over the tops of shoes, so the water runs down the pants past the opening. But this system can be uncomfortably hot in warm weather during rain-soaked conditions. It offers no protection for puddles or having to cross water runoffs on the pathway.
  • You can try using a footwear with a waterproof gaiter or some other waterproof cobbles -- like thick plastic bags. I have not often seen a gaiter or other waterproof trapping that would both keep the water out and keep the feet dry.
“Waterproof” shoes are a misnomer for several reasons.
  • They can fail because the materials simply don’t work over the near and long term because it is difficult to apply and cover all areas of the footwear sufficiently.
  • The waterproof coating or laminate in the shoes does not last. Some manufacturers of the lightweight trail shoes, which are usually constructed as a hybrid of fabric and leather, have treated them with a coating which can quickly wear off. It also keeps sweat in the shoe and your feet get soaked in sweat. Fairly quickly, coatings break down and will no longer be waterproof.
  • Footwear which relies on a “Gore-Tex” style of waterproof/breathable laminate will break down through both wear and tear and dirt buildup on the material which renders it ineffective.
When I’ve tested so-called waterproof / breathable fabrics in shoes for various manufacturers, their actual performance never matched what was claimed. My reports to their QA departments have always reflected these weaknesses as found during testing. Sometimes a shoe will start the test period working fairly well under a narrow range of wet conditions, but as the testing progresses the failures increase.

Waterproof/breathable membranes, like Gore-Tex, are only marginally breathable — water vapor from perspiration does not pass through the fabric as efficiently as is claimed. It can't. Unlike outerwear, the shoe material radically inhibits the ability of the membrane to allow water vapor to escape, thereby trapping it in the shoe.

So, on warm days the experience of having sweat being trapped in the shoe is common. Combined with the fact that the fabric waterproofing is quickly damaged by dirt, sweat, grime, and abrasion and it’s only a matter of time before exterior moisture begins penetrating the fabric and allowing feet to get wet from outside moisture as well.

This is why most experienced trekkers and backpackers no longer go to great lengths to keep feet dry. They accept that when the weather is wet, feet will also get wet. Even the US military uses footwear for wet conditions which is not waterproof. The strategy is how to minimize any problems when feet are wet.

In working with folks new to backpacking who ask about waterproof footwear recommendations, I have asked why they wanted waterproof shoes. Sometimes, they will look at me as if I had spaghetti sticking out of my nose. Most will answer that they think their feet will stay dry, and that having wet feet is akin to getting into horrible trouble.

This post is meant to help inform, reassure, and give a different line of thought and reasoning to this issue.

I like to have dry feet. I always try to avoid wet feet. I have tried many ways to keep my feet dry:

  • “Waterproof” shoes, which, as I’ve said, don’t work well.
  • “Waterproof” socks, which don’t work for similar reasons: shoes still get wet, and feet soak with sweat. However – In cold weather these soaks can be the basis for using vapor barrier warmth conservation of the feet.
  • Wearing multiple pairs of socks, frequently changing from wet to dry, which eventually all get wet.
  • Carrying multiple pairs of shoes, which eventually all get wet, too.
I have never had total success at keeping my feet dry in very wet conditions, which led me to research what has been done to develop effective strategies. If I can’t keep my feet dry, then I need to try and eliminate or minimize the risk of any of the bad things that could occur to my wet feet when walking.

Some of these lessons I learned while in Vietnam…. Like the fact that our boots had fabric tops and numerous holes in the thin leather bottom portions so that water drained out quickly and never sat in the boots.

What are the most frequent and problematic 'bad' things?
  • Maceration is the medical term for pruning, where the skin’s outer layer absorbs a lot of moisture and gets “soggy” from that moisture. The skin gets sore and extremely soft which makes it more prone to blistering and developing other problems.
  • Cracking of the skin when the macerated feet dry. The natural moisture and oiliness of the skin is gone. The severity depends on how much stress the skin is exposed to after it is dried out.
So, what does work for me, and others, if I am going to be walking or backpacking in wet weather?
  • Apply a good, thick coating of a Goop (ointment or salve) to my feet and between toes before putting on socks and shoes in the morning. If rain occurs later in the day, then remove shoes and socks and do the same. This helps protect from external moisture.
Goop which has a high content of wax – either bee or paraffin – is most ideal, especially if it also has a high lanolin content.
  • Wear non-waterproof shoes which can drain and then dry out quickly. This minimizes the amount of puddling in the shoe that bathes the feet in moisture. Modern trail running shoes, and trail shoes often have nice open mesh fabric which is terrific for draining water.
Non-waterproof shoes will also eliminate moisture from sweaty feet. Remember, it doesn’t matter what the source of the moisture is that feet are exposed to: be it rain or sweat, each can cause the same problems.
  • Wear thin, light-cushioned merino wool socks, which don’t absorb as much water as thicker socks. Merino wool will also keep wet feet warm and comfortable in most seasons and temperature ranges, unless the weather is frigid winter-cold.
  • Take off shoes and socks to let feet air dry during rest stop that will be longer than 20 minutes.During this time, I will wring out any excess moisture from the socks, but I will not put on either of my dry pairs (I take three). I will also wipe off moisture on my feet and then reapply a goodly amount of Goop to my feet to help keep them from becoming macerated.
  • When stopping for the day, apply Goop to the bottoms of feet, both before and after showering.
  • Carry an extra pair of insoles. These insoles do not have to be your preferred “walking” insoles that you may have purchased separately. These can be the lightweight pair which came with your shoes. These will be the barrier between your wet footwear and your dry socks when you are done for the day and if your shoes are a bit damp come morning.
I find that at days end, I can remove the wet insoles and use absorbent paper or toweling to sop up as much moisture as is possible while I am showering and dealing with end of the day chores.

When I get ready to go to dinner or wander around town, I put on a pair of dry Merino wool socks, insert the extra pair of dry insoles into my shoes, and put the shoes back on to walk around in. This accelerates drying out the shoes. Depending on the shoe’s material, within a couple of hours the shoes are mostly dry.
  • At bedtime, I remove the insoles and stuff absorbent material into the shoes to continue the drying out process, if need be, during the night.
  • Apply more salve or ointment and wear dry and warm socks at while sleeping; this gives feet 8-9 hours of recovery.
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davebugg

"When I Have Your Wounded" - Dustoff Motto
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances...
Sept. 2017: SJPdP to Burgos
Sept./Oct. 2018: SJPdP to Santiago de Compostela
Thanks yes I fear the ‘sail’ qualities of a poncho in the wind which was why I thought a jacket might be better!
That is something that can be controlled, and is not necessary. As with everything else, there is a technique that is workable.

Even the most breathable of the waterproof laminates requires airflow to keep condensation inside the raingear to a minimum. I have found that a poncho has the ability to provide the most airflow, and as someone who really sweats hard under a backpacking load, having the poncho over my backpack helps to increase the ability of circulating airflow.

There are even good, inexpensive and lighter weight ponchos which also 'breath'. Bottom line for me is that I can rapidly pull my poncho from my backpack's side pocket, put it on, and then remove it and stow it back in the pocket without needing to remove my pack. I don't even need to stop walking. And for days where the rain starts and stops, starts and stops, etc . . . that is the usability that I prefer.
 

cmk033

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances, Jan 21~Feb 27, 2019
I've walked Frances in February 2019 with many days of rain. I've learned there is no such thing as waterproof jacket/shoes/gear when it is raining all day, Goretex or not. There is no defense againt soaking all day rain.
 

holhum

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Planning for Leon to Santiago June 2019
Thank you for your advice, very helpful for a newbie! 😄
 

holhum

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Planning for Leon to Santiago June 2019
Below is a post I have made on this issue before. Maybe it will be of help :)
------------------------------------------------------------
Water will enter trail runner shoes, hiking shoes, or backpacking boots through any opening during a rainstorm, when walking through wet grass and brush, or drench into them if you walk through puddles or other standing water along the Camino.

There are two potential remedies to this problem, neither of which is always effective.
  • First, you can try keeping rain pants over the tops of shoes, so the water runs down the pants past the opening. But this system can be uncomfortably hot in warm weather during rain-soaked conditions. It offers no protection for puddles or having to cross water runoffs on the pathway.
  • You can try using a footwear with a waterproof gaiter or some other waterproof cobbles -- like thick plastic bags. I have not often seen a gaiter or other waterproof trapping that would both keep the water out and keep the feet dry.
“Waterproof” shoes are a misnomer for several reasons.
  • They can fail because the materials simply don’t work over the near and long term because it is difficult to apply and cover all areas of the footwear sufficiently.
  • The waterproof coating or laminate in the shoes does not last. Some manufacturers of the lightweight trail shoes, which are usually constructed as a hybrid of fabric and leather, have treated them with a coating which can quickly wear off. It also keeps sweat in the shoe and your feet get soaked in sweat. Fairly quickly, coatings break down and will no longer be waterproof.
  • Footwear which relies on a “Gore-Tex” style of waterproof/breathable laminate will break down through both wear and tear and dirt buildup on the material which renders it ineffective.
When I’ve tested so-called waterproof / breathable fabrics in shoes for various manufacturers, their actual performance never matched what was claimed. My reports to their QA departments have always reflected these weaknesses as found during testing. Sometimes a shoe will start the test period working fairly well under a narrow range of wet conditions, but as the testing progresses the failures increase.

Waterproof/breathable membranes, like Gore-Tex, are only marginally breathable — water vapor from perspiration does not pass through the fabric as efficiently as is claimed. It can't. Unlike outerwear, the shoe material radically inhibits the ability of the membrane to allow water vapor to escape, thereby trapping it in the shoe.

So, on warm days the experience of having sweat being trapped in the shoe is common. Combined with the fact that the fabric waterproofing is quickly damaged by dirt, sweat, grime, and abrasion and it’s only a matter of time before exterior moisture begins penetrating the fabric and allowing feet to get wet from outside moisture as well.

This is why most experienced trekkers and backpackers no longer go to great lengths to keep feet dry. They accept that when the weather is wet, feet will also get wet. Even the US military uses footwear for wet conditions which is not waterproof. The strategy is how to minimize any problems when feet are wet.

In working with folks new to backpacking who ask about waterproof footwear recommendations, I have asked why they wanted waterproof shoes. Sometimes, they will look at me as if I had spaghetti sticking out of my nose. Most will answer that they think their feet will stay dry, and that having wet feet is akin to getting into horrible trouble.

This post is meant to help inform, reassure, and give a different line of thought and reasoning to this issue.

I like to have dry feet. I always try to avoid wet feet. I have tried many ways to keep my feet dry:

  • “Waterproof” shoes, which, as I’ve said, don’t work well.
  • “Waterproof” socks, which don’t work for similar reasons: shoes still get wet, and feet soak with sweat. However – In cold weather these soaks can be the basis for using vapor barrier warmth conservation of the feet.
  • Wearing multiple pairs of socks, frequently changing from wet to dry, which eventually all get wet.
  • Carrying multiple pairs of shoes, which eventually all get wet, too.
I have never had total success at keeping my feet dry in very wet conditions, which led me to research what has been done to develop effective strategies. If I can’t keep my feet dry, then I need to try and eliminate or minimize the risk of any of the bad things that could occur to my wet feet when walking.

Some of these lessons I learned while in Vietnam…. Like the fact that our boots had fabric tops and numerous holes in the thin leather bottom portions so that water drained out quickly and never sat in the boots.

What are the most frequent and problematic 'bad' things?
  • Maceration is the medical term for pruning, where the skin’s outer layer absorbs a lot of moisture and gets “soggy” from that moisture. The skin gets sore and extremely soft which makes it more prone to blistering and developing other problems.
  • Cracking of the skin when the macerated feet dry. The natural moisture and oiliness of the skin is gone. The severity depends on how much stress the skin is exposed to after it is dried out.
So, what does work for me, and others, if I am going to be walking or backpacking in wet weather?
  • Apply a good, thick coating of a Goop (ointment or salve) to my feet and between toes before putting on socks and shoes in the morning. If rain occurs later in the day, then remove shoes and socks and do the same. This helps protect from external moisture.
Goop which has a high content of wax – either bee or paraffin – is most ideal, especially if it also has a high lanolin content.
  • Wear non-waterproof shoes which can drain and then dry out quickly. This minimizes the amount of puddling in the shoe that bathes the feet in moisture. Modern trail running shoes, and trail shoes often have nice open mesh fabric which is terrific for draining water.
Non-waterproof shoes will also eliminate moisture from sweaty feet. Remember, it doesn’t matter what the source of the moisture is that feet are exposed to: be it rain or sweat, each can cause the same problems.
  • Wear thin, light-cushioned merino wool socks, which don’t absorb as much water as thicker socks. Merino wool will also keep wet feet warm and comfortable in most seasons and temperature ranges, unless the weather is frigid winter-cold.
  • Take off shoes and socks to let feet air dry during rest stop that will be longer than 20 minutes.During this time, I will wring out any excess moisture from the socks, but I will not put on either of my dry pairs (I take three). I will also wipe off moisture on my feet and then reapply a goodly amount of Goop to my feet to help keep them from becoming macerated.
  • When stopping for the day, apply Goop to the bottoms of feet, both before and after showering.
  • Carry an extra pair of insoles. These insoles do not have to be your preferred “walking” insoles that you may have purchased separately. These can be the lightweight pair which came with your shoes. These will be the barrier between your wet footwear and your dry socks when you are done for the day and if your shoes are a bit damp come morning.
I find that at days end, I can remove the wet insoles and use absorbent paper or toweling to sop up as much moisture as is possible while I am showering and dealing with end of the day chores.

When I get ready to go to dinner or wander around town, I put on a pair of dry Merino wool socks, insert the extra pair of dry insoles into my shoes, and put the shoes back on to walk around in. This accelerates drying out the shoes. Depending on the shoe’s material, within a couple of hours the shoes are mostly dry.
  • At bedtime, I remove the insoles and stuff absorbent material into the shoes to continue the drying out process, if need be, during the night.
  • Apply more salve or ointment and wear dry and warm socks at while sleeping; this gives feet 8-9 hours of recovery.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Thank you for your advice, very helpful for a newbie! 😄
 

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    Votes: 277 29.1%
  • October

    Votes: 114 12.0%
  • November

    Votes: 12 1.3%
  • December

    Votes: 5 0.5%
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