Rubicon

[Former member 49149]

Such sadness has washed over me, and some others who have posted and or contacted me, since seeing Davebugg’s post. The trouble with a virtual conversation is that you cannot truly see the eyes of the other person, and forgive me for using this example, those who cannot see: I say this because I would love to have the person in front of me who threw the glass at Davebugg. I would love to ask him to reconsider his action. I would love to let him see the harm he has done as a result of his lack of tolerance and human respect. This is a call to me, and to each one who reads this: think, think and think again, before opening my/your mouth to wound another person.

 

[Lurch]

Do you really think the glassthrower is going to be ashamed or will feel bad by what he did? Really? The world is full of Adam Henry’s who think it is riotous fun to injure someone who is older, weaker, or et.al. Than themselves. I am not as nice as Dave so things would have turned out differently. Heading to Astorga tomorrow, so who knows what the next weeks hold.

 

[Former member 49149]

Lurch, I cannot possibly know how the person who threw the glass might feel. I do know that I would like to look that person in the eye. I looked up Adam Henry but can't see a connection, by the way. Buen camino, enjoy Astorga.

 

[Pingüigrino]

I think Davebug took a lot of wrong decisions. The first one was not let the police took this bastard to the judge. I think a nigth sleeping in a dungeon in a police station would be exemplary for him. Im sure he would love to trow wine to their mates at the dungeon. Usually that kind of person are only brave with the weaks.
Letting him to walk freely in the Camino could give him temptations of repeat this behavior. I hope he try this again, but this time choosing the wrong target. Would love to hear about him bledding in his broken nose.
Sorry for that bad feelings, but CANT bear with that kind of thugs. I felt sick, I DONT want them in my country. I joined the military for forty years just to figth again abusers. It makes me mad.

 

[C clearly]

I looked up Adam Henry but can't see a connection

I did that too. You needed to look a bit further down the search results to learn that Adam Henry is a reference to a person one might call by another name with the same first letters: A--H---

 

[VNwalking]

Amen.
There is a world of idiots out there. And sometimes the idiots can be us.
The guy who threw the glass at Dave may not care. But I do, and that's all I can do anything about. No matter how anyone treats me.
Thank you @kirkie.

 

[Bala]

This is a call to me, and to each one who reads this: think, think and think again, before opening my/your mouth to wound another person.

Amen.

 

[domigee]

Such sadness has washed over me,.

Same here.
I haven’t even pm-ed people I knew would feel the same because.... I am so....
wordless I suppose....
So unnecessary. So pointless. When there is such sadness in the world anyway at the moment! 800 victims and more to come no doubt....
I’m sad today but I think tomorrow will come the anger!

 

[james mcev]

Unfortunately, we live in a world with lots of egotistical tosspots. These people see nothing beyond themselves. MY MY MY..... me me me.

......... I am somebody because I have/ I have done/ I own........., therefore I am owed/ I can say/I can do.........

Sometimes, well educated, yet uneducated oafs,have viewpoints being informed and influenced by media, movies, others skewed viewpoints, and social media, with a lack of self awareness and being able to think for themselves, a lack of care, sympathy and empathy............ a lack of humanity.

Yet the world is also has lots of good people, enlightened souls, those searching, reaching to become the best people they can. Those who give what they can, to others, and the world, and expect nothing in return. this can be a simple act of kindness, a smile, a listening ear, a million dollars, really its all the same, depending what you can afford.

I am sorry for davebugg and what happened. And I agree with all the points in the previous posts.

But I believe that saying nothing,or inaction,in response to such behavior, condones the perpetrators.

(yet equally just because someone doesn't say something, doesn't mean they dont have anything to say)

I guess we have to trust, that we do what we feel is right, in any given situation, and cut others slack when they do the same. Sometimes we will be right, sometimes not, (depending on your point of view).

In today's global world we all have access to instantaneous news and reactions ,( Trump, Brexit etc spring to mind),. But no one person is responsible, these have been societal shifts and reactions, due to decades of other societal shifts and reactions. We, as the human race, and global society are still evolving ( hence the neanderthal types still being here)

I came to a realisation years ago that my life isn't about me, it is about all the other people my life affects, through my words, my gestures, my actions. This is what I may be judged on, at the end of my days.

So to conclude, from the Cambridge dictionary "Rubicon : to do something that you cannot later change and will strongly influence future events:

Yes, what has happened cannot be changed, and yes, it will influence future events for both davebugg, and his extended family,(possibly including members of this forum)

Maybe this will be a catalyst for some, to understand racism, (which has been happening forever) and how debilitating it is, whether based on colour, creed, social status, ethinic minority, or nationality.

But it is up to each and every one of us how we react. Will we be passive and let it go, as this incident happened to someone else, or will we be proactive , and speak up and act for those experiencing such racism, wherever we witness it?

James

 

[VNwalking]

But it is up to each and every one of us how we react. Will we be passive and let it go, as this incident happened to someone else, or will we be proactive , and speak up and act for those experiencing such racism, wherever we witness it?

Externally and internally: not to act or speak from hatred if we find ourselves about to do that.
It's a virus and we all can catch it.
Or be cured of it.
We choose.

I just listened to this podcast. Each segment blew me away on so many levels.

 

[domigee]

Unfortunately, we live in a world with lots of egotistical tosspots. These people see nothing beyond themselves. MY MY MY..... me me me.

......... I am somebody because I have/ I have done/ I own........., therefore I am owed/ I can say/I can do.........

Sometimes, well educated, yet uneducated oafs,have viewpoints being informed and influenced by media, movies, others skewed viewpoints, and social media, with a lack of self awareness and being able to think for themselves, a lack of care, sympathy and empathy............ a lack of humanity.

Yet the world is also has lots of good people, enlightened souls, those searching, reaching to become the best people they can. Those who give what they can, to others, and the world, and expect nothing in return. this can be a simple act of kindness, a smile, a listening ear, a million dollars, really its all the same, depending what you can afford.

I am sorry for davebugg and what happened. And I agree with all the points in the previous posts.

But I believe that saying nothing,or inaction,in response to such behavior, condones the perpetrators.

(yet equally just because someone doesn't say something, doesn't mean they dont have anything to say)

I guess we have to trust, that we do what we feel is right, in any given situation, and cut others slack when they do the same. Sometimes we will be right, sometimes not, (depending on your point of view).

In today's global world we all have access to instantaneous news and reactions ,( Trump, Brexit etc spring to mind),. But no one person is responsible, these have been societal shifts and reactions, due to decades of other societal shifts and reactions. We, as the human race, and global society are still evolving ( hence the neanderthal types still being here)

I came to a realisation years ago that my life isn't about me, it is about all the other people my life affects, through my words, my gestures, my actions. This is what I may be judged on, at the end of my days.

So to conclude, from the Cambridge dictionary "Rubicon : to do something that you cannot later change and will strongly influence future events:

Yes, what has happened cannot be changed, and yes, it will influence future events for both davebugg, and his extended family,(possibly including members of this forum)

Maybe this will be a catalyst for some, to understand racism, (which has been happening forever) and how debilitating it is, whether based on colour, creed, social status, ethinic minority, or nationality.

But it is up to each and every one of us how we react. Will we be passive and let it go, as this incident happened to someone else, or will we be proactive , and speak up and act for those experiencing such racism, wherever we witness it?

James

I agree with every word you said but... the harm has been done and however proactive I want to be, I cannot undo it?
One man was hurt, deeply and through him, most of us on here.
I am at a loss as to what to do...

 

[Former member 49149]

Externally and internally: not to act or speak from hatred if we find ourselves about to do that.
It's a virus and we all can catch it.
Or be cured of it.
We choose.

I just listened to this podcast. Each segment blew me away on so many levels.

Thanks for the link. I have listened only to the first one, and will listen to the rest now. A salve for hurt, a real call to hope.

 

[Former member 49149]

Thanks for the link. I have listened only to the first one, and will listen to the rest now. A salve for hurt, a real call to hope.

Vnwalking, thank you. I found the button to turn the talks into video rather than just audio. In particular, the fourth one had me holding my breath. I changed his naming of America to ‘the world’ because he is describing the wider reality of the world, not just America.

 

[VNwalking]

In particular, the fourth one had me holding my breath. I changed his naming of America to ‘the world’ because he is describing the wider reality of the world, not just America.

Yes, exactly. This one totally blew me away.
Not only does it explain what hate does for people and where it comes from, but shows that it's not inevidable or irredeemable - nor does it necessarily spread to victims.

 

[grayland]

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