Snoring and Snorers

[Pattii]

Peace. This is a pilgrimage, not a cheap holiday. Albergue living is the opportunity for all of us to get to see ourselves. I saw some people go nuts with snorers, and I saw some snorers get torn to shreds by people. I kind of figure snoring is not a malicious act, and if you need a good night's sleep, you need to pay for a room and give yourself a break. Both snorers and those blessed with quiet or silent sleep patterns.

I've noticed during my years that people think its normal to snore. Its actually not. Lots of people do snore but as a professional vocal coach and one who has gone through speech therapy ...also knowing my Father and brother who both have sleep apnea...I know that snoring actually does damage that can be corrected. At one point my Father was getting only about 40 % of the oxygen he needed and it was a huge issue...sleep deprivation etc. and all that comes with that. And thats not even mentioning the damage it can do to the vocal chords.

My point with this is that its not normal to snore...its a medical issue...and it can easily be prevented...AND it is healthier for someone to NOT snore. So perhaps ...if someone was a snorer they should consider that maybe they could talk to a doctor about it before they go. They will and everyone else around them will sleep better...and they will feeeeel better...

I'm not going to hold it against them if they do...and I'm not asking that snorers excuse themselves from the Albergues. But I am bringing a tent for that reason. I need and cherish my sleep...because of my own medical reasons.

 

[dougfitz]

[[snip] My point with this is that its not normal to snore...its a medical issue...and it can easily be prevented...AND it is healthier for someone to NOT snore. So perhaps ...if someone was a snorer they should consider that maybe they could talk to a doctor about it before they go. They will and everyone else around them will sleep better...and they will feeeeel better... [snip]

Patti, below is a list of the common causes of snoring from the Snore Australia website. I see one or two medical issues here, but most seem to be non-medical, many of which might respond to changes in personal behaviour.

That said, I think people will walk the Camino in the condition they are in now and generally with the habits they have now. They will not be inclined to see a doctor about a condition many might even deny they have, and even if they were, would it be in time to seek effective treatment before leaving for their pilgrimage.

I don't doubt the soundness of your advice, I do wonder about whether it will be followed by more than a few.

Common causes of snoring:

• Allergies
• Eating too much at night
• Nasal congestion
• Deformity of the nose
• Consumption of alcohol close to bed-time, especially if the amount is large
• Being overweight or obese
• Pregnancy
• Swelling of the muscular part of the roof of the mouth
• Swollen adenoids or tonsils, especially in children
• Medications, including sleeping tablets
• Sleep position – sleeping on your back may cause your throat muscles and tongue to relax; the tongue is then more likely to fall back and compress the airway, causing snoring or making snoring louder.

 

[jirit]

What about people that talk in their sleep?

 

[Pattii]

What about people that talk in their sleep?

That I know nothing about unless its night terrors and they usually happen to children...or people on certain meds...

 

[jirit]

I have had the pleasure of being woken up my mid night talkers, some that seem to be carrying on a complete conversion in their sleep.

If I am quick to the punch, I usually " join the conversation" and ask them silly questions like "what about the pink elephant?"

Nothing screws up a sleeping mind more than anything else like questions about pink elephants.

 

[dougfitz]

My concern is not that @Pattii isn't offering good advice, but that in practice it won't make much if any difference. The lowest common denominator for albergue dormitories is that there will be snorers to contend with. If you are not prepared for that, or believe that you will not get enough sleep, then it is up to you to go somewhere else. @Pattii is prepared to camp, and I applaud her for that. There are other options like hostels or hotels.

I shared one of the worst experiences of my 2010 CF here, and stick by the advice I offered then.

 

[Pattii]

OMG that would be very comical to watch!

 

[Pattii]

And yes Doug...that is why I am bringing a tent. I have a medical condition that if I don't sleep it causes huge issues with me...my body WON'T sleep after a certain amount of time not getting sleep...I was up for 72 hours straight once ...its horrible! And although I would be glad for the sake of community and getting to know people to stay in an Albergue for a few nights a week and deal with snoring...I will be staying in my tent much of the time to make sure I don't get sick and that I don't disrupt others while they sleep.

 

[dougfitz]

And yes Fred..I will be staying in my tent much of the time to make sure I don't get sick and that I don't disrupt others while they sleep.

You are much more considerate than I am on this matter.

 

[Pattii]

Sorry for getting your name wrong Doug... I had fred on the brain I think.
If I called you fred any other time I am very sorry...
huge smiles

considerate and opinionated...lol...and evidently absentminded cause I think I just deleted my post...hahahaha

 

[hecate105]

I would add that albergues do differ. Some you sign in first, some the hospitalera/o turns up later to sign you in/stamp your credencial. Some you will be assigned a bed, some you choose yourself. At some you put food in and share a meal, others you grab a pan when a ring on the stove is free and cook up quickly. Some will have a curfew - night and morning, others don't. You just need to be open to the possibilities/rules, and ask (nicely) if you are unsure. If you have a disability - do ask to use the disabled room if there is one. I missed a few because I thought someone 'more' disabled might turn up. Then after a particularly painful day I bit the bullet and had a lovely room which I only had to share with my husband and two late arriving German lads - the albergue was packed to the gunnels, I was so glad I had asked.
On the Portuguese route there was one that you had to go to the local shop to retrieve the hospitalera, she kindly gave my husband and I our own dorm - cos we were married!
The main things have been said: be aware of others needs, share what you have (especially liniments...) be respectful, be grateful, wear earplugs and DO NOT rustle plastic bags before dawn!

 

[Pattii]

K this really bugs me. Why can't we be real here?? (Im sure I'm gonna get taken out the back and shot for this but here goes...)

Tell me...why is it a bad thing to be inconsiderate and rustle bags but just peachy keen to disregard your snoring issues? Why can't the SNORERS be the bigger people and have their snoring checked to see if it can be alleviated or brought down to a minimum before you leave for the Camino?? Why is it the non snorers that have to deal with the snorers...especially when if you snore you could probably take care of it???

Thats just incredulous to me.

Its not just snoring...its many things. I get sick of people telling me that I should just internalize and deal with other peoples crap because "I shouldn't offend them". Yet...they are offending me (I know I am getting some amens from the amen corner) and they never have to be confronted. Well I am going to be brave and confront. We are grown...all adults...lets be forthright! (this applies to the 5 a.m. club too!)

I am NOT SAYING that snoring offends me. What offends me is the lack of consideration for the rest of us that are supposedly expected to be more than considerate to you? (this is in regard to all these issues...the negatives of the Camino)

I understand that there are going to be some snorers (sleep walker/talkers/people who make trips to the potty lots etc etc etc.) who have tried to take care of it have done the best they can. KUDOS on those people and for THOSE people I will gladly wear earplugs or sleep in my tent! But COME ON! If you have a chronic snoring problem... or for that matter any other disturbing medical problem or bad habit....WHY DON'T YOU BE RESPONSIBLE and have it checked before you leave to see if you CAN fix it. Why would you put others through something you don't need to like disrupting their sleep which could cause them to make poor decisions or to physically hurt themselves. Sleep deprivation can be deadly when walking on a highway or through the mountains...and did you know spouses have even been known to lose their hearing from chronic snorers? Thats just NOT ok!! And at least consider your own health...did you know that snoring can cause lack of oxygen to the body that can cause heart failure and stroke..other serious problems and sometimes death for a snorer? (try google walking and find out exactly how snoring affects you and how it can be treated there are many many articles)

Look... It is common sense to have a medical issue treated before you embark on any journey. 80% of snoring is due to the palate in the back of your throat relaxing and vibrating for many and various reasons...but that is what snoring is. It can be taken care of in many cases by a mouth guard given to you by a Dr or a Dentist. Sometimes the problem is more serious and those with Sleep Apnea know exactly how much so... some are on special breathing machines for the problem.(Again Kudos for those who have sought medical treatment) For THOSE people I would gladly endure a night of snoring. And for those people who have tried I would be as patient and loving and accepting as the day is long because they have DONE THEIR BEST!

My point is... why should ALL the people around you have to deal ...wearing earplugs and white noising it...feeling groggy from lack of sleep...grumpy because you are waking up refreshed and the rest of the Albergue didn't get a wink?
ATTENTION SNORERS...and you know who you are...I feel that you should at least make an effort to see if you can fix it. I don't think its ok to dump a problem like that on everyone else if you can all help it. I am not a hater...I don't dislike snorers...in fact my favorite person in the world snores...my dad...but I do think it is the snorers responsibility to do what you can to keep it to a minimum just like not rustling bags.

If you have not even asked to see if it can be treated that is unacceptable in my opinion.

I call B.S. on the people who think that a those lacking self awareness or being unwilling to deal with their own issues should be tolerated because for some reason it has become my problem instead of theirs. That's like me telling you I can just do what I want regardless if my medical issue interferes with your life. How bout this scenario...lol...when I'm on the Camino...I just decide to stop taking my meds thinking that oh everyone can deal with me the way I am when unmedicated...I'll be noisy and up all night restless and walking around lights on...having loud anxiety attacks...partying all night...etc...oh that would infuriate most of you...I may even be shunned and stoned by the masses....yet its a medical problem...why can you be the bigger person and understand that????(Shakes my head...) cause (whine whine whine) I don't want to take responsibility ...its too hard. too time consuming. too embarrassing. no biggy really...you should just accept my poor behaviour cause I can't help it. (clearsmythroatandmublesthatsjustcrap)

I again call B.S.

You can all think I'm mean but I am just telling the truth here.

Listen.
If you are going to be in a community...then consider yourself as responsible as the next guy to make the community work. Take responsibility for the issues (snoring or anything else) that you know are gonna be issues and don't let them be issues if you can at all help it. Snoring can be helped in many cases. It's a lack of consideration and what I call being oblivious to others needs if you don't at least try to get help.

(puts my rain poncho on and gets ready for the pummelling of rotten tomatoes about to be inflicted on me)

 

[Pattii]

Everyone always talks about the "Raccaderos" or snorers. I think the rudest thing is people who stay in an Albergues and expect quiet without taking and wearing ear plugs. When you are sleeping with 20-40 and don't plug your own ears you are just a tad bit self centered. Plug 'em up!

When you are sleeping with 20 or 40 other people and don't consider your sleeping disorders and how they will affect others you are just a tad bit self centred.

 

[Pattii]

Manners - even when no-one else plays by those rules. Help. Appreciate. Be clean and conscientious. Fess up if you are a snorer - forgive others if they snore.

Tourists demand: Pilgrims appreciate.

Can I like this again...?
huge smiles

 

[Deleted member 3000]

You can all think I'm mean

OK.

 

[Pattii]

lol @ falcon...shakes my head

 

[Deleted member 3000]

It was a rather bold post for one who has not walked a camino!

 

[Pattii]

It was a rather bold post for one who has not walked a camino!

Its all about common sense. I don't need to walk the Camino to know these things. I have done other pilgrimages. I have been in situations similar. You think because you have walked it that common problems are suddenly clearer to you than to others. Thats just foolish...and arrogant. Why do you think I am bringing my tent...which you had a lot to say about too...

This is about respect...on the Camino or not. Period.

 

[Deleted member 3000]

With your permission I will take medical advice from my doctor, not you.

 

[Pattii]

Then I suggest if you snore you make an appointment. But you don't need a Dr. to tell you to be responsible or considerate do you?

 

[Wanderer64]

If you have a problem with albergue etiquette, the shared dorm lifestyle or the people who inhabit that world, there's a very simple remedy: private rooms. Lots and lots of options on the CF.

I wish I was one of those people who could lay their head down on the pillow in a shared dorm of snorers and within seconds fall into a deep REM sleep for 8 hours. I'm not, so it was private rooms for me for the last half of my Camino.

Blaming pilgrims at the albergue who suffer one or another sleep disorder seems, itself, a bit of an etiquette breach. If you can't tolerate albergues, then quietly move on, seek out alternatives and be thankful the Camino provides so many wonderful sleeping alternatives.

 

[Ella_leah]

When you are sleeping with 20 or 40 other people and don't consider your sleeping disorders and how they will affect others you are just a tad bit self centred.

I am about to start my first Camino in Oct so haven't yet had the Camino experience, however I have shared bunks with 40 people many times in New Zealand DOC huts. You can pretty much guarantee that with that amount of people you will get a couple of snorers. I know that because of the limited bedding (pillows etc) and unusual sleeping positions at times people that normally don't snore can snore. This has happened to my husband! I believe in the "control the things you can and let the other things take care of themselves" motto and therefore takes a couple of sets of earplugs and a buff that I put over my ears and pull down over my eyes when I go to sleep. I am never worried by snorers, alarms, early morning rustling or torches. I am a firm believer in owning your own problems and allowing others to own theirs. People get annoyed by all kinds of things and whilst I try to be considerate of others, you just can't please everyone. I am curious as to how you can tell the difference between a snorer that has tried to do something medically and it's not working and someone that hasn't bothered to see someone!

My personal take on this kind of communal living is that it helps me be a more tolerant and kind person and its not my place to judge someone else. I just control the things I can and hand the rest over.

Cheers
Ella

 

[Pattii]

I am curious as to how you can tell the difference between a snorer that has tried to do something medically and it's not working and someone that hasn't bothered to see someone!

You can't. All you can do is know yourself. But as you said... change and control what you can. Come prepared but if the problem is you...try to do what you can... My point was that if everyone did this...perhaps it would be kept to somewhere less than a dull roar...which I have experienced. And I try to be proactive. I take a tent ...

 

[lynnejohn]

So what's next in the realm of "albergue responsibility" - don't eat the lentejas or other bean dishes because your gas might disturb others?

 

[dougfitz]

It was a rather bold post for one who has not walked a camino!

I am still concerned that while @Pattii's advice might be sound, venting about it on this forum is not going to make much practical difference when it comes to using albergues. Even if every one of use were to take her advice, we won't stop others who haven't been part of this or similar discussions who do snore from sleeping in dormitories - and even one of those might be enough to disrupt their neighbours.

At that point, it is too late to demand they rush off and see a doctor or sleep specialist. They walk as they are, and fellow pilgrims have to expect that they can do little about their condition.

Bag rustlers and noisy early risers can be expected to modify their behaviour and leave with minimum disruption. That is why I think it is legitimate to take up that issue should it arise (and you feel so inclined).

 

[Pattii]

Agreed.

Math problems

If there are 40 people in a dorm. 10% snore to the point of being disruptive. 25% of the people are very affected by the snoring to the point of distress. Who do you ask to take a private room?

A husband and wife comes into a dorm of 35 people with their 8 month old baby. 5 pilgrims are upset that there is a crying baby in the dorm. Who do you ask to take a private room.

I agree with Spock on this one. "The needs of the many out weight the needs of the few".

If I were the hospitalaro at the albergue I would in all good conscience...as this is about what is fair and not how I feel...have to ask the snorers or the 5 am club to strongly consider taking the private rooms.

 

[Sharni]

Agreed.

Math problems

If there are 40 people in a dorm. 10% snore to the point of being disruptive. 25% of the people are very affected by the snoring to the point of distress. Who do you ask to take a private room?

A husband and wife comes into a dorm of 35 people with their 8 month old baby. 5 pilgrims are upset that there is a crying baby in the dorm. Who do you ask to take a private room.

I agree with Spock on this one. "The needs of the many out weight the needs of the few".

If I were the hospitalaro at the albergue I would in all good conscience...as this is about what is fair and not how I feel...have to ask the snorers or the 5 am club to strongly consider taking the private rooms.

Pattii, With all respect I think your equation is a bit skewed: I have never ever seen anyone (not 1) person affected by the snoring to the point of distress! Yes, we would grumble a bit in the morning but you can move on the next day (even on lack of sleep) have a nap in the sunshine somewhere, get a private room, use your tent, go to bed early, use earplugs etc to catch up, I also never saw a baby in an Albergue but did see some on the Way so I can only presume that they used private accomodation which would make sense for their own comfort. I have spent around 70 nights in Albergues by the way.

I think you need to relax a little and be open to all experiences good and bad and accept people for what they are. I don't believe anyone snores for fun and yes, It can be damaging their health but you have no way of knowing who has sought medical attention and who has not and even if they haven't and they should have - let it go...... they may have other qualities about them that are amazing......they may be the one who offers you pain relief if they see you hobbling.....they may buy you a drink......they may walk with you and listen to your story....anything can happen. My advice is to relax and accept what comes to you on your Camino and enjoy it. If you let these things bother you, you will stress about them and it could affect your enjoyment of your journey. The Camino opened my eyes to what is important in life "don't sweat the small things"

 

[lynnejohn]

I couldn't agree more. Snorers don't snore by intention. Their bodies snore (unbeknownst to them), after all. Same as my night terrors. None of this is on purpose. We wish it were not thus, but there it is. It's just communal living. And at the risk of sounding trite: "It is what it is". Just move on in the spirit of the Camino that compelled you in the first place.

 

[Pattii]

It's not about snoring. I was making a point with the snoring because it keeps coming up. The idea is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That is the basis of this entire thread. Its about making proactive choices that benefit yourself and everyone around you. Do what you can and have a contingency plan. EVERYONE. Not one particular group of people.

I think if the small things are other peoples feelings or their comfort or discomfort I think its should be sweated by everyone...and have a contingency plan...lol

... just my oppinion.

 

[Pattii]

I couldn't agree more. Snorers don't snore by intention. Their bodies snore (unbeknownst to them), after all. Same as my night terrors. None of this is on purpose. We wish it were not thus, but there it is. It's just communal living. And at the risk of sounding trite: "It is what it is". Just move on in the spirit of the Camino that compelled you in the first place.

Lynn there was never any ever blame on the snorer for snoring. Ever. I do not think snorers deserve less or are worse people or even that all of them know they snore. This was more about the larger issue of making sure you do what you can to make your Camino... AS WELL AS OTHERS... a good experience. And if this discussion helps one person get help with snoring (if its possible) ...and because of it helps one other person have a good night sleep in an albergue on the Camino then its worth it.

The Camino is personal but it is about community as its been said again and again. A community works much better if everyone is honestly doing their best. Nothing else can be asked of anyone. But a community should be able to count on your doing your best. Thats all.

 

[lynnejohn]

Patti, All I can say is that after 6 caminos I am pretty much aware of the pilgrim mentality and behavior, as limited as that might be. Snoring, farting, night terrors, drunken entrances, and more. I never slept in an albergue where anyone got very fussed about the involuntary activity of their fellow pilgrims. Whether every one of us did what we could to help diminsh behaviours that others might find offensive? I don't know. But we do live in a civilized society, don't we. Let's go with that and just focus on our own, personal caminos and all the wonderful adventure and discovery they include.

 

[Pattii]

that was well said Lynne...!

I apologize if I upset anyone with my opinion...And I do hope everyone finds what they need on their Camino!

 

[lynnejohn]

Patti, Opinions never upset. They just make me think. And yours do. So thanks for that.
And we WILL all find what we need on our Caminos. Even when we don't think it's what we need. . . .
L

 

[jstorybook]

It is not as if people plan to snore just to be irritating--I bet when those young lasses have a couple kids. gain a bit of weight and hit 60 they will snore too! Yes get ear plugs!

 

[reg2450]

Bien Camino Patti. You will meet many people who agree with you on your pilgrimage. You probably won't meet many who don't (!). I will be staying tuned to your posts on your return.

 

[Roger Hogstrom]

I remember a time back in year 2000 when I walked my first camino. No internet- no WIFI- people talking in the old way, to each other- a snorer was a snorer (no problem)- no bedbugs. After all this is just a walk from point A to B with a backpack not planning for a trip to the moon,

 

[Stephen Nicholls]

Pattii, With all respect I think your equation is a bit skewed: I have never ever seen anyone (not 1) person affected by the snoring to the point of distress! "

Well, Sharni, I quote from my diary [on my web site] Pilgrimage I ....
"Dusk was falling, so we returned to the albergue, and all went to bed. At 10:30 Pablo started to snore. I’d experienced snoring in previous albergues, but this was different. Pablo would be silent for about fifteen seconds. Then a noise would erupt from his mouth, followed by what sounded like a shout. This went on for four hours.
The volume was such that the empty room actually vibrated at every exhalation that Pablo made. Pablo could snore for Spain, and I’m sure he held the gold Olympic medal for snoring. I tossed and turned, and tried to ignore it, but all to no avail. At 2:30 in the morning, I gathered my sleeping bag, and went into the girls’ dormitory.

“It’s only me.” I said in a loud whisper.

“Stay!” said Catarina. I had no intention of doing anything else……

[Catarina told me later that they had been warned about Pablo! “We could hear him snoring through two closed doors and twenty metres of passage. There was a moment when we had a discussion about whether we should come and rescue you!”]

So you see it CAN destroy a night's sleep - I was fortunate - we had two dormitories separated by a twenty metre long passage.
I think if you KNOW you snore, you should ask the hospitalero if there's a separate room you can put your mattress in.

 

[Sharni]

Well, Stephen, I think it's pretty OBVIOUS that snoring can disturb a persons sleep. I never said it couldn't. I said I have never seen anyone at the point of distress from it. Please note the word distress which was used in Pattii's post that I was replying to.

I DID talk about the snoring that we experienced and DID offer my point of view as to possible solutions to any lack of sleep incurred by snoring and many other posters have offered solutions as well including the use of ear plugs.

It is common sense that when you are in a shared environment that you will hear noises loud and soft, annoying or otherwise. And once again it comes down to how do YOU know that the offending snorer has not sought medical advice or asked the Hospitalero for a separate room. What about the people who need to use the bathroom at night? What about the creaky old beds? What about the noise created by people tossing and turning and moving beds when they can't sleep because of all the noise. Sheesh, maybe those who are perfectly quiet should get the separate rooms so they can be blissfully perfect. Or maybe they, like Pattii, can make alternative arrangements as she is sensible enough and has recognised that it may be an issue for her and has had the foresight to do something about it.

 

[stevenjarvis]

Dormitory living will always have its disturbances including snoring. I find it amazing that we seem to so enjoy discussing it. But we do, and I imagine that 'twas ever thus and ever will be.

 

[jstorybook]

I all can say is--there were snores in medieval times and their are snorers now--the simple solution is if you don't like snoring--don't go on pilgrimage--go to the beach stay at a hotel and have a good nights sleep. When one sleeps in a dormitory it is a risk to have snorers--buy ear plugs they are cheap and work well and then not only will you not hear snoring it will filter out the rest of the dormitory noise as well--like bowel sounds, growling stomachs, flatulent echos rebounding from the walls, hiccups, coughs, sneezing etc.

 

[jstorybook]

I suppose a snorer with apnea could carry a cpap machine--but then them might draw criticism for carrying the extra weight or for the noise the machine makes...you can satisfy half of the people half of the time...now how does it go?

 

[HalfDomeOrBust]

I suppose a snorer with apnea could carry a cpap machine--but then them might drw criticism for carrying the extra weight or for the noise the machine makes...you can satisfy half of the people half of the time...now how does it go?

Something Lincoln said?

 

[wawpdx]

I was once angrily, loudly, boldly, aggressively, bluntly criticized for "my husband" keeping a man's sick wife awake with loud snoring the previous night. It was the worst experience I ever had on the Camino and all it did was make him (the man in the blue shirt) look like an angry, belligerent coward. I had only met/started walking with "my husband" two days before so I was not even the person to talk to. I, too, was kept awake. Since I was in that corner of the room, I know that it was two separate loud snorers, both male. And when the complainer picked his time to voice his opinions he choose to do it when neither guy was present. I also know which snorer was far louder of the two and that he was part of the couple that also had the ringing telephone during the night!

I wonder if that guy felt that he had accomplished something by confronting me. His attitude is what I remember far more than anyone's snoring.

My "favorite" snorers were in the three bunk room across from the bathrooms in the no longer existent parroquial albergue in Villamayor de Monjardin. The room was quite small and with two varied snorers, it echoed like bullfrogs across a pond.

 

[Canucks]

I all can say is--there were snores in medieval times and their are snorers now--the simple solution is if you don't like snoring--don't go on pilgrimage--go to the beach stay at a hotel and have a good nights sleep.

Wow, this is an over-reaction.....if you don't like snorers, don't go on a pilgrimage?!?!?! Has it ever occurred to you that there are other options, while still going on a pilgrimage?
I don't feel like listening to others snoring, farting, or waking me up all night, but I am still on a pilgrimage, writing this from Puente del Reina.....and I am not going to the beach.

Lets just say there are many other options than "don't go on a pilgrimage".

 

[jstorybook]

geeze enough already I didn't say that there wasn't talk about over reactions--and good for you you are still on pilgrimage despite the inconvenience of the noise--I beg forgiveness

 

[HalfDomeOrBust]

geeze enough already I didn't say that there wasn't talk about over reactions--and good for you you are still on pilgrimage despite the inconvenience of the noise--I beg forgiveness

An accidental sinner. I say we accept and forgive and move on!!! Buen Camino.

 

[jstorybook]

I agree

 

[Canucks]

geeze enough already I didn't say that there wasn't talk about over reactions--and good for you you are still on pilgrimage despite the inconvenience of the noise--I beg forgiveness

There is no "inconvenience" of noise and it has nothing to do with being "good for me that I'm still on pilgrimage". I just don't think it is appropriate for others to take your advice that, "if you don't like snorers, don't go on a pilgrimage....go to a beach".
That is neither accurate nor "pilgramegy" (now that's a good made-up word!!). There are always options other than "don't go".....many of which have been pointed out. I snore, have excessive flatulence while away, and am a light sleeper........wanna share a bunk? I thought not. I don't care to do so with a clone of me either!!

However, I bestow forgiveness on you now that you have begged for it.

 

[jstorybook]

Oh geeze, all I meant that there are certain things one must accept when doing anything worthwhile--if you walk far you might get blisters, if sleep in a dorm you might hear snores--a person takes a chance of being inconvenienced when choosing certain undertakings and so all I was meaning to say is that if a person is not willing to take the risk then don't do things that are risky--and as someone said earlier in this post there has been way too much time spent on this posting---please tolerate the snorers--now those bed bug carriers that is another matter lol

 

[LesBrass]

would this be a good time to mention that I have been known to occasionally grind my teeth in my sleep... but only when I'm really stressed

 

[dougfitz]

would this be a good time to mention that I have been known to occasionally grind my teeth in my sleep... but only when I'm really stressed

I wear a mouth splint at night to stop the worst effects. You can get your dentist to make and fit one for you.

 

[reg2450]

hahahahaha. I have loved reading this thread because I'm smiling.
Maybe before I went on pilgrimage I could have been cranky at some of the things I've read (and written). This pilgrimage thing is such an inside job. It really, really WORKS!!! Thank you God I am a changed person, and I really do like people a whole lot more than I used to. I even like myself now.

 

[vicrev]

This is why I prefer camping!!!...........& who is this geeze ?................Vicrev

 

[Annie Little]

Dear ohhhh dear .... !!

Patti .... you said amongst other things ..."""Its not just snoring...its many things." May I suggest that :the many things that bother you are for you to deal with....

people snore, smell, fart, complain, eat, swear, love, comply, sing, dance etc etc etc .... we are humans..... in communal life one must adjust their own feelings or remain secluded ... it is a choice as to that which one can cope with. That IS the Camino... the real pilgrimage

Wishing you well on your journey...

 

[Rebecca Llenas]

I've noticed during my years that people think its normal to snore. Its actually not. Lots of people do snore but as a professional vocal coach and one who has gone through speech therapy ...also knowing my Father and brother who both have sleep apnea...I know that snoring actually does damage that can be corrected. At one point my Father was getting only about 40 % of the oxygen he needed and it was a huge issue...sleep deprivation etc. and all that comes with that. And thats not even mentioning the damage it can do to the vocal chords.

My point with this is that its not normal to snore...its a medical issue...and it can easily be prevented...AND it is healthier for someone to NOT snore. So perhaps ...if someone was a snorer they should consider that maybe they could talk to a doctor about it before they go. They will and everyone else around them will sleep better...and they will feeeeel better...

I'm not going to hold it against them if they do...and I'm not asking that snorers excuse themselves from the Albergues. But I am bringing a tent for that reason. I need and cherish my sleep...because of my own medical reasons.

 

[Rebecca Llenas]

I just completed my first Camino and had the time of my life and have not returned to the states yet. I am responding to this thread because I do snore. I have not always had this problem and have tried everything but it is just there in my old age. As a result of reading some threads before the Camino, I was very stressed in the evenings because I knew I might snore. I offered my fellow peregrinos ear plugs just in case and wore those silly nose things that are supposed to help. My husband worried for me because he could see my concern and angst that I might bother others. I almost decided not to go because of the potential negative moments I would have as a result of what I read and how others feel about snorers. I am so glad I didn't listen to my inner voice and took the plunge. I was not alone and at night I would lay in bed and smile listening to the tired breathing, the snores, the restless sleepers, the coughs, the sneezes, and the peregrinos that get up super early and try so hard to be quiet, but are not. I do so love all those people that I had the pleasure of sharing those moments with. I also spent extra money in the beginning sometimes for private rooms because of my fear. I am glad I overcame this trepidation. Unfortunately, negative posts of this kind can only mar the Camino for many of those first time peregrinos who also want to experience the same dream, the same Camino. It is like a brotherhood and we do take care of our own. I bandaged others feet, hugged those that needed it, and hopefully contributed to others. Just remember...when discussing a topic that there are individuals out there that do take these comments to heart who have feelings that can be hurt. They may just end up being your best friend on your journey. Buen Camino!

 

[Annie Little]

Rebecca THANKS !!!!! My thoughts exactly........... someone else in another post somewhere also mentioned how the various posts were "doing his head in " and he stopped returning to the forum in the weeks before he left home.......... I myself was to have gone this year but have delayed till next year for various personal and family reasons ........ but at times reading disgruntled comments also did my head in.....

Your post......on the other hand....... is inspiring/ sweet / honest... I thank-you for it

Cheers
Annie

 

[KentuckyJay]

I've noticed during my years that people think its normal to snore. Its actually not. Lots of people do snore but as a professional vocal coach and one who has gone through speech therapy ...also knowing my Father and brother who both have sleep apnea...I know that snoring actually does damage that can be corrected. At one point my Father was getting only about 40 % of the oxygen he needed and it was a huge issue...sleep deprivation etc. and all that comes with that. And thats not even mentioning the damage it can do to the vocal chords.

My point with this is that its not normal to snore...its a medical issue...and it can easily be prevented...AND it is healthier for someone to NOT snore. So perhaps ...if someone was a snorer they should consider that maybe they could talk to a doctor about it before they go. They will and everyone else around them will sleep better...and they will feeeeel better...

I'm not going to hold it against them if they do...and I'm not asking that snorers excuse themselves from the Albergues. But I am bringing a tent for that reason. I need and cherish my sleep...because of my own medical reasons.

I'm with dougfitz (and most others) on this issue.

 

[Annie Little]

Well Stephen Nicholls ... I am sure you are a perfect English Gentleman ... but really tsk tsk .. any excuse to move into the "girls dorm" ..... hahahaha

Well, Sharni, I quote from my diary [on my web site] Pilgrimage I ....
"Dusk was falling, so we returned to the albergue, and all went to bed. At 10:30 Pablo started to snore. I’d experienced snoring in previous albergues, but this was different. Pablo would be silent for about fifteen seconds. Then a noise would erupt from his mouth, followed by what sounded like a shout. This went on for four hours.
The volume was such that the empty room actually vibrated at every exhalation that Pablo made. Pablo could snore for Spain, and I’m sure he held the gold Olympic medal for snoring. I tossed and turned, and tried to ignore it, but all to no avail. At 2:30 in the morning, I gathered my sleeping bag, and went into the girls’ dormitory.

“It’s only me.” I said in a loud whisper.

“Stay!” said Catarina. I had no intention of doing anything else……

[Catarina told me later that they had been warned about Pablo! “We could hear him snoring through two closed doors and twenty metres of passage. There was a moment when we had a discussion about whether we should come and rescue you!”]

So you see it CAN destroy a night's sleep - I was fortunate - we had two dormitories separated by a twenty metre long passage.

 

[vicrev]

Didn't realise so many people snore,that's an advantage of having a hearing defect,I just turn off my hearing -aid & sleep like a baby........when I think of it ,I could be snoring & not hear people yelling for me to shutup...........shame.....................keep smiling.....Vicrev

 

[Espero]

My concern is not that @Pattii isn't offering good advice, but that in practice it won't make much if any difference. The lowest common denominator for albergue dormitories is that there will be snorers to contend with. If you are not prepared for that, or believe that you will not get enough sleep, then it is up to you to go somewhere else. @Pattii is prepared to camp, and I applaud her for that. There are other options like hostels or hotels.

You are so right. After many years in the military and sharing berthing areas with at least 100 other people, I accept snoring as something that must be tolerated in group accommodations. To complain about snoring in an alberque is like flying coach and complaining the food and service is not the same as first class. For the love of God and peace in the world, wear ear plugs and, if you snore, carry extra ear plugs for others.

 

[Annie Little]

Espero I would be happy to bring ear plugs for you ....because I have been told that I snore........ what size ears do you have ??

 

[Espero]

Espero I would be happy to bring ear plugs for you ....because I have been told that I snore........ what size ears do you have ??

Actually, I snore also and I'm bringing several pair to share. Hey, I might start a campaign with T-shirts, buttons, and posters. "Bring a Pair to Share". I like it!

 

[Pattii]

Dear ohhhh dear .... !!

Patti .... you said amongst other things ..."""Its not just snoring...its many things." May I suggest that :the many things that bother you are for you to deal with....

people snore, smell, fart, complain, eat, swear, love, comply, sing, dance etc etc etc .... we are humans..... in communal life one must adjust their own feelings or remain secluded ... it is a choice as to that which one can cope with. That IS the Camino... the real pilgrimage

Wishing you well on your journey...

I am aware...NO ONE is more aware than I am that there are things I need to deal with... but that never excuses you from doing your best to make an effort for the common good. I am as much part of your journey as you are mine.
If others have issues or habits or situations that are uncomfortable to me then its up to me to deal with it...to be tolerant and kind and to find remedies...be it me removing myself or what ever...I should do my best to make and effort to accept the situation and deal/or with it.

My question is...would you do the same for me?

 

[vicrev]

Now,now.......calm down Ladies........keep smiling...........Vicrev

 

[Pattii]

I feel I need to clarify my position.

When I wrote about snoring the first time it was with reference to the serious medical problems snorers may deal with. There are remedies for SOME snorers.
But all anyone got out of that message was that I hated snorers. This is not true. I am not even intolerant of snorers. My point was that IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING about it that you do. Period. If you have tried and you can't then that is the way it is. Im not going to snore bash you if I happen to be in an Albergue where you are snoring.

Never have I insinuated that there was something sub par about snorers or that non snorers had the "right of way". In fact if you knew me you would know that I am someone who often will chose to remove myself from a situation rather than let it bother me because in the light of eternity one night of snoring... for instance... is not going to keep me from a lifetime friendship or a fundamental life lesson etc.

If someone was coughing endlessly in the Albergue...would you not expect them to try every remedy they could to deal with the cough? Would you not try to help them find a remedy because they might be sick or in pain or discomfort? And if they did their best to remedy it and still coughed would it not behove you to find peace with the situation no matter what? I'm sure it would be frustrating but you can't beat someone up for coughing if they have done everything to remedy it. Neither would I do that to snorers who have done what they can...

However...lets say 50% of snorers (or cougher's or fill in the blank) could find a remedy. Do you not think that would be a quieter Albergue?

No one is more aware than me that I have issues to deal with...NO ONE. There are so many things that happen to me...that I do... because of this disability... that could easily cause much disruption on the Camino. One is my sleeping patterns. Another is the chronic pain that sometimes causes me to be up all night crying. There are many. I believe its my responsibility to make sure I am aware of them and thinking ahead and trying my best to find working solutions so that not only my Camino will be easier/better...but so will everyone else's that I come in contact with. I would never think of inflicting these things on others. I may ask for help from one or two but I would not sit myself down in the middle of an Albergue knowing that this is going to cause everyone to have a crappy sleep or cause a huge disruption and expect them to deal with it. I just wouldn't. That was my primary reason for the decision to bring a tent.

Its the same for anything that causes irritations in a communal situation. If you are doing something that may disrupt the community as a whole and you are not being aware and at least trying to do your part to stop or to fix or to remedy the disruption you are creating then that is a very selfish attitude. If you are doing your part...trying your best...and I can't get over it then I am being selfish. Either way we all have to deal with each others issues in a community.

So the solution comes from the idea of community. How do you see community? I see everyone as equal in a community. As part of that community I believe it is my duty to think about what I am doing and how it will affect my fellow community member. I believe it is everyones responsibility to do their best to make it a good situation through consideration creating peace acceptance and love. This kind of community creates wellness and healing.

Be willing to put in an EFFORT...thats all I was saying is required from anyone ...from EVERYONE. Everyone should be making an effort...the litterers... the ones who get up at 5am... the ones who butt in line...the ones who snore...the ones who....(fill in the blank).

THAT was ultimately my point.

Buen Camino

 

[Annie Little]

Hi Patti

I understand what you are saying and appreciate that. I do agree people all have things to deal with which also may affect others and all should make an effort. I personally have a dread of affecting others in any way...being a nuisance etc..... which is the main reason I will stay in private accommodation.

Annie

I feel I need to clarify my position.

When I wrote about snoring the first time it was with reference to the serious medical problems snorers may deal with. There are remedies for SOME snorers.
But all anyone got out of that message was that I hated snorers. This is not true. I am not even intolerant of snorers. My point was that IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING about it that you do. Period. If you have tried and you can't then that is the way it is. Im not going to snore bash you if I happen to be in an Albergue where you are snoring.

Never have I insinuated that there was something sub par about snorers or that non snorers had the "right of way". In fact if you knew me you would know that I am someone who often will chose to remove myself from a situation rather than let it bother me because in the light of eternity one night of snoring... for instance... is not going to keep me from a lifetime friendship or a fundamental life lesson etc.

If someone was coughing endlessly in the Albergue...would you not expect them to try every remedy they could to deal with the cough? Would you not try to help them find a remedy because they might be sick or in pain or discomfort? And if they did their best to remedy it and still coughed would it not behove you to find peace with the situation no matter what? I'm sure it would be frustrating but you can't beat someone up for coughing if they have done everything to remedy it. Neither would I do that to snorers who have done what they can...

However...lets say 50% of snorers (or cougher's or fill in the blank) could find a remedy. Do you not think that would be a quieter Albergue?

No one is more aware than me that I have issues to deal with...NO ONE. There are so many things that happen to me...that I do... because of this disability... that could easily cause much disruption on the Camino. One is my sleeping patterns. Another is the chronic pain that sometimes causes me to be up all night crying. There are many. I believe its my responsibility to make sure I am aware of them and thinking ahead and trying my best to find working solutions so that not only my Camino will be easier/better...but so will everyone else's that I come in contact with. I would never think of inflicting these things on others. I may ask for help from one or two but I would not sit myself down in the middle of an Albergue knowing that this is going to cause everyone to have a crappy sleep or cause a huge disruption and expect them to deal with it. I just wouldn't. That was my primary reason for the decision to bring a tent.

Its the same for anything that causes irritations in a communal situation. If you are doing something that may disrupt the community as a whole and you are not being aware and at least trying to do your part to stop or to fix or to remedy the disruption you are creating then that is a very selfish attitude. If you are doing your part...trying your best...and I can't get over it then I am being selfish. Either way we all have to deal with each others issues in a community.

So the solution comes from the idea of community. How do you see community? I see everyone as equal in a community. As part of that community I believe it is my duty to think about what I am doing and how it will affect my fellow community member. I believe it is everyones responsibility to do their best to make it a good situation through consideration creating peace acceptance and love. This kind of community creates wellness and healing.

Be willing to put in an EFFORT...thats all I was saying is required from anyone ...from EVERYONE. Everyone should be making an effort...the litterers... the ones who get up at 5am... the ones who butt in line...the ones who snore...the ones who....(fill in the blank).

THAT was ultimately my point.

Buen Camino

 

[Deleted member 3000]

I personally have a dread of affecting others in any way...being a nuisance etc..... which is the main reason I will stay in private accommodation.

How about balance. Do what you can to not irritate, but expect to irritate a little bit any way! Private accommodations cost more, so many pilgrims cannot afford it. Many find that an important part of walking the Camino is the contact with other pilgrims. You can miss some of that when staying in hostales.

 

[sanddreamer]

Patti, below is a list of the common causes of snoring from the Snore Australia website. I see one or two medical issues here, but most seem to be non-medical, many of which might respond to changes in personal behaviour.

That said, I think people will walk the Camino in the condition they are in now and generally with the habits they have now. They will not be inclined to see a doctor about a condition many might even deny they have, and even if they were, would it be in time to seek effective treatment before leaving for their pilgrimage.

I don't doubt the soundness of your advice, I do wonder about whether it will be followed by more than a few.

Common causes of snoring:

• Allergies
• Eating too much at night
• Nasal congestion
• Deformity of the nose
• Consumption of alcohol close to bed-time, especially if the amount is large
• Being overweight or obese
• Pregnancy
• Swelling of the muscular part of the roof of the mouth
• Swollen adenoids or tonsils, especially in children
• Medications, including sleeping tablets
• Sleep position – sleeping on your back may cause your throat muscles and tongue to relax; the tongue is then more likely to fall back and compress the airway, causing snoring or making snoring louder.

As one who had to visit almost every "Farmacia" I saw from SJPP to Santiago due to foot/blister/bunion problems I jokingly suggested to friends that an "Ear/Nose/Throat Clinic" set up next to them would be a money-maker. The snorers were an absolute pain-in-the-backside and made sound sleep nearly non-existent. Neither ear plugs nor Ambien could solve the problem. I suggest during pre-camino training you take some time sleeping near your local Amtrak/RENFE/SNCF station to prepare for the noise awaiting you in the albergues.

 

[tploomis]

I've noticed during my years that people think its normal to snore. Its actually not. Lots of people do snore but as a professional vocal coach and one who has gone through speech therapy ...also knowing my Father and brother who both have sleep apnea...I know that snoring actually does damage that can be corrected. At one point my Father was getting only about 40 % of the oxygen he needed and it was a huge issue...sleep deprivation etc. and all that comes with that. And thats not even mentioning the damage it can do to the vocal chords.

My point with this is that its not normal to snore...its a medical issue...and it can easily be prevented...AND it is healthier for someone to NOT snore. So perhaps ...if someone was a snorer they should consider that maybe they could talk to a doctor about it before they go. They will and everyone else around them will sleep better...and they will feeeeel better...

I'm not going to hold it against them if they do...and I'm not asking that snorers excuse themselves from the Albergues. But I am bringing a tent for that reason. I need and cherish my sleep...because of my own medical reasons.

I remember waking up at Roncevalles Monastery and walking past a hundred sleeping pilgrims, amazed at the perfect silence. My footsteps were probably the loudest sound. Then I realized my earplugs were still in. Thank goodness for that. The eerie silence had been somewhat disconcerting.

 

[Pattii]

How about balance.

This is the best post I have seen here. It is indeed all about balance. Kudos Falcon!

 

[Pattii]

Oh geeze, all I meant that there are certain things one must accept when doing anything worthwhile--if you walk far you might get blisters, if sleep in a dorm you might hear snores--a person takes a chance of being inconvenienced when choosing certain undertakings and so all I was meaning to say is that if a person is not willing to take the risk then don't do things that are risky--and as someone said earlier in this post there has been way too much time spent on this posting---please tolerate the snorers--now those bed bug carriers that is another matter lol

I love the beach...lots of inconveniences there too.

 

[vicrev]

Not Bedbugzzzzz again !!!....................Vicrv

 

[Robo]

Interesting Thread.......... As a 'snorer' there is NO WAY I am going near an Albergue LOL. I might get smothered with a pillow in the night. I'd have to sleep with one eye open! My wife is used to it thankfully. And actually I'm not that bad a snorer. More a heavy breather according to my better half.
Have tried various treatments and a few more to go. I hate the constant feeling of exhaustion that snoring leaves me with the next day.

So. I will not darken the doorways of your Albergues, fear not

Quite frankly the idea of communal living leaves me cold anyway. Rather like my days back in the Scouts or in the Military. Been there, done that, for 20+ years. Got the T Shirt thanks. No, my wife and I will be seeking some privacy and 'us time'.

Just to stir the Pot a bit more.........

Something that I absolutely detest is smokers. Maybe not the smoker per se, but the stench of the cigarettes. Gives me awful headaches, even just the smell from their clothes 'post puffing'. Why do people abuse themselves in this way and make life a misery for those around them? Are smokers allowed into Albergues ?

What about those with really bad BO ? Or those who break wind all night? I shudder to think of the countless perils that might lie in wait ....

BTW. Snorers keep me awake too. I don't think there is any way I could get sleep in a dormitory...

 

[Former member 12499]

Well, I have read all sorts on this site over the last couple of years.

Topics and moans have included boots, shoes, blisters, weather, ponchos, tents, tarps, cyclists, rucksacks, injuries,limps,tears, snow, mud, too much/ too little weight. To cross route Napoleon – Y/N?Bedbugs,lack of sleep/food and snorers.

One thing that I do not think I have read about is folk with a chronic COUGH!

I spent three nights towards the end of my Camino in Santiago at the Seminario Menor La Asuncion. They have some very large dormitories here that can hold several dozen pilgrims on one floor. Because of the large open expanse of the dormitories; sound does travel – and echo. In and amongst the all night snorers are the folk with the chronic cough and I mean cough!

I could sort of get used to the snorers with their all night sawing sound but the intermittent loud spluttering, choking sound nearly drove me frigging nuts that I could have cheerfully put a pillow over their faces.

I hope that you will forgive my uncharitable view as it was my own fault. I was out of earplugs and at the end of my pilgrimage.

The point I am trying to make is that it is all part of YOUR Camino. All these things are sent to try you. It is how you cope as an individual on YOUR Camino. That is why you set out on YOUR Camino in the first place. To test yourself and accept all experiences good or bad. You have already coped with what I have mentioned above – or at least some of them.

Well I must sign off now as I have to dash to the local chemists' for a bottle of cough medicine. I have been blessed with the annual winter cough and it is keeping me awake at night. Must get some sleep tonight.

Best regards and enjoy YOUR Camino.

Charlie.

 

[Annie Little]

"The point I am trying to make is that it is all part of YOUR Camino. All these things are sent to try you. It is how you cope as an individual on YOUR Camino. That is why you set out on YOUR Camino in the first place. To test yourself and accept all experiences good or bad""

Very well said Charles …. I hope I am up to my challenges when I walk next year… it will be like the little things that niggle at me at home.. doubled/ tripled or quadrupled . I am sure it will be interesting

 

[newfydog]

. That is why you set out on YOUR Camino in the first place. To test yourself .

Actually, in MY Caminos, testing myself has absolutely nothing to do with it. They are fascinating, but certainly not testing.

 

[gerardcarey]

C'mon laugh a little.

From theCaminoDocumentary

 

[stevenjarvis]

Very well said Charles …. I hope I am up to my challenges when I walk next year… it will be like the little things that niggle at me at home.. doubled/ tripled or quadrupled . I am sure it will be interesting

FORGET PLUGS DON'T YOUR .....

 

[mike g]

I snore. The God that I know wants me to 'come just you are' and as an after-thought to this silly thread; I wonder if any of the disciples snored? I've found no mention of it.

 

[Robo]

As a snorer (fairly mild) I wish it was so easy to fix as some would make out. Countless doctors and sleep clinics later, it's still there. If I could rid myself of the curse I would as it leaves me drained of energy in the mornings. I will certainly be avoiding communal sleeping on our first Camino! I want to enjoy my Camino not be fending of attackers in the night!

 

[hughb]

I know I snore especially after I drink red wine (so I am told by my wife!). Red on the camino? Never ............ My worst experience last year was a certain German lady. She tutted loudly if anyone snored. When the entire dormitory was awake with her tutting, she then went to sleep. Snore!!!! She snored for Germany. They must hold the world record, she certainly did. I never had to worry after hearing her. God bless her. Will it stop be doing another camino. Sorry, already planning it. Another year, another route. Hope I am not the one keeping you awake with my snoring. Just beware if their is a solo German lady in your dormitory.

 

[Bumblebee]

I dont snore, but i do have sleep apena, I dont think i can bring my machine, its too heavy and it is a bit loud! I wouldnt like to wake others up in the hostels

 

[Metropolly]

I snore. The God that I know wants me to 'come just you are' and as an after-thought to this silly thread; I wonder if any of the disciples snored? I've found no mention of it.

St James was called the 'son of thunder'. Perhaps...?

 

[gidivet]

I dont snore, but i do have sleep apena, I dont think i can bring my machine, its too heavy and it is a bit loud! I wouldnt like to wake others up in the hostels

Hi Bumblebee, I just got a Transcend CPAP with battery for the Camino. It is very lightweight, small and quiet, only 29 dB.

 

[DeadFred]

Hi Bumblebee, I just got a Transcend CPAP with battery for the Camino. It is very lightweight, small and quiet, only 29 dB.

gidvet ,I have had apnea for years , been using a CPAP for years . Having to lug that heavy machine across Spain is not my plan so I took your advice and checked Transcend. I believe this is diffently the way to go . Before I buy it though asked ny Doctor to setup an appointment for me to do another sleep study ( last one was 20+ years ago.) Since then I have lost considerable weight and might be able to get by without one or possibly with just an oral apparatus . We will see.

Besides apnea, my snoring worries me as I have been rated by my friends & family as the loudest snorer that ever walked the earth. Let's hope this fix works . Hoping not just for me but for anyone who sleeps closer than 100 ft from me .

To my fellow Sept/Oct Pilgrims .. beware, I might cometh bearing sounds of thunder

Joe

 

[Silverton]

I have really really enjoyed reading the past and current entries on this thread. Snoring can be such a BIG issue on the Camino, for some people. And humour is a blessing for all of us. There was the man in Leon whose massive chest cavity resonated in basso profundo all night--he had to limp away home the next the morning because of an injured hip, and I felt so sorry for him. I giggled in my top bunk much of the last night on my first camino (at Frómista) because of a champion-snoring German woman (possibly the same frau-pilger you reference, Hughb?). Four of us had been kept awake earlier by the boorish Minnesotan who wanted to buy my watch because he didn't trust the local shop, whose evaluation of the local wine was 'not too bad'--and then drank so much of it that he fell out of his top bunk when he came in (very late) and loudly whispered 'I luuuv you' to the peregrina he had picked up along the way.
No, the snoring was the least of our problems. We didn't want to leave the Camino--but our time had run out. We returned to complete the CF the next spring, and I've been blessed to return most years since.
I have ear plugs of every possible design, but they only blunt external noise slightly and emphasise the inner sloshing of my semi-somnalent cranium--very off-putting, that is! After 20+km and some good wine, I usually fall asleep before 10 pm--and morning dawns and off we go again ....
Now if you want to talk about those early alarms, midnight phone chats, the dreaded headlamps and the plastic bags ....!
Buenos caminos a todos, y a todos buenas noches!

 

[gidivet]

gidvet ,I have had apnea for years , been using a CPAP for years . Having to lug that heavy machine across Spain is not my plan so I took your advice and checked Transcend. I believe this is diffently the way to go . Before I buy it though asked ny Doctor to setup an appointment for me to do another sleep study ( last one was 20+ years ago.) Since then I have lost considerable weight and might be able to get by without one or possibly with just an oral apparatus . We will see.

Besides apnea, my snoring worries me as I have been rated by my friends & family as the loudest snorer that ever walked the earth. Let's hope this fix works . Hoping not just for me but for anyone who sleeps closer than 100 ft from me .

To my fellow Sept/Oct Pilgrims .. beware, I might cometh bearing sounds of thunder

Joe

Hi DeadFred

I've checked the weight of the Transcend Ezex travel system I just bought. It comes with a handy padded carry case, and with the CPAP machine, the P4 single night battery, charger, hose and my own Resmed Swift LT nasal pillows, all packed up the total weight is 1305 gram or 2Ib 14 oz.
Of course you can ditch the case and shave off a bit more weight, but I'm inclined to use it as a handy "sock drawer" - using the smaller clothing items to cushion the fairly fragile system.

There is now an APAP machine in the range, which costs a lot more, but may suit some people better.

So I have to lug an extra 1.3 kg on my back. I can live with that knowing other pilgrims won't hear my snoring. The total pack weight still stands at around 7 kg, so not bad going.

 

[mitch237uk]

It seems as a light snorer (cough) I shall have to wear the customary medieval bell, my camino end August to end September 2014 as I walk to the next Albergue. Then people can move away from my allocated bed space in the snorers room or have a whip round (collection) and send me off to a private hotel, thank you I do apologize in advance. John

 

[quietwun]

Alas, quietwun might not be quiet at night. But neither am I a fussy sleeper. Snore away-I will probably be dead to the world from 9 to 7. I do think that many more snore than know it. Allergies, position, lots of factors.

Semi seriously, if folks have never stayed in a really bad youth hostel, they could incorporate that into training. They could get used to noisy partiers outside, rickety bunks of questionable cleanliness, lack of hot water, waiting uncomfortably for a washroom, early rustling packers, ill equipped kitchens and, yes, bed bugs and snorers. Be prepared!

My sticking point will be the "hot night" in the bunk above.

Dialling down expectations and our sense of entitlement and dialling up patience, tolerance, serenity and sense of humour and adventure will get us all far.

 

[Torontogaz]

as for pro and anti snoring camps : earplugs 1 € pack of six goodnight!

 

[gidivet]

as for pro and anti snoring camps : earplugs 1 € pack of six goodnight!

Just picked up some earplugs today. ;-)

 

[emonty]

I will make a deal with my fellow pilgrims. I will willingly add the weight of my cpap to my pack if they will give me access to an outlet when I go to bed.

 

[gidivet]

I will make a deal with my fellow pilgrims. I will willingly add the weight of my cpap to my pack if they will give me access to an outlet when I go to bed.

Hi Emonty. I've got the Transcend with a battery. It does need charging of course, but it it gives a bit of extra peace of mind if there isn't an outlet, or if there is "no room at the inn" and we have to kip in a church hall somewhere.

 

[emonty]

Mine is light, but requires a connection. Didn't even know there were battery operated ones until I started reading this forum. In case I get sent to snorer's exile, I have earplugs.

 

[WycombeMan]

I don't mind a snorer/talker, I remember in a youth hostel in Portsmouth a few years ago for the battle of Trafalgar anniversary, there was a guy who did the noises of a train all night long, chugga chugga chugga choo choo, it had us all in fits of laughter all night and we gave a running commentary, as when he stopped rambling for a few mintues we would mimic a station announcer and advise passengers to be careful departing the train and which platform to change for Bristol temple meads..

 

[angie]

My husband says i should expect to have a few shoes thrown at me during the night because "allegadly" i snore ! As if.......

 

[ManyMiles2Go]

My husband says i should expect to have a few shoes thrown at me during the night because "allegadly" i snore ! As if.......

Yeah, my wife doesn't snore either

 

[azzy]

Patti, below is a list of the common causes of snoring from the Snore Australia website. I see one or two medical issues here, but most seem to be non-medical, many of which might respond to changes in personal behaviour.

That said, I think people will walk the Camino in the condition they are in now and generally with the habits they have now. They will not be inclined to see a doctor about a condition many might even deny they have, and even if they were, would it be in time to seek effective treatment before leaving for their pilgrimage.

I don't doubt the soundness of your advice, I do wonder about whether it will be followed by more than a few.

Common causes of snoring:

• Allergies
• Eating too much at night
• Nasal congestion
• Deformity of the nose
• Consumption of alcohol close to bed-time, especially if the amount is large
• Being overweight or obese
• Pregnancy
• Swelling of the muscular part of the roof of the mouth
• Swollen adenoids or tonsils, especially in children
• Medications, including sleeping tablets
• Sleep position – sleeping on your back may cause your throat muscles and tongue to relax; the tongue is then more likely to fall back and compress the airway, causing snoring or making snoring louder.

 

[azzy]

Thank you Dougfitz. I am a snorer or have been told. I certainly do not want to keep anyone else from sleeping. i will warn those around me and provide them with earplugs if they want. But the negative comments have me apprehensive about going. I dont want to be the person everyone hates in the morning. But I feel in my heart that I need to go on my pilgrimage. I hope others will understand and be forgiving.