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I héar a lot about the eu certificate but how do I get one. I am an EU citizen, fully vaccinated but living just outside the bloc but no_one ever talks about the tens of thousands like me. Many live in Britain and many like me live in the North of Ireland and we seem to be forgotten about
 

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I am an EU citizen, fully vaccinated but living just outside the bloc
The EU certificate is not linked to your nationality.

The certificate is for people who live in an EU country, get vaccinated in an EU country and, ideally, are members of, or covered by, the public health/sickness insurance system of that EU country. It doesn't matter whether the vaccinated persons are EU nationals or foreign nationals as long as they live there. They have a right, by law, to be issued with an EU vaccination certificate.

You can contact the health authorities of the country that issued your EU passport and find out whether they are willing and able to issue an EU vaccination certificate for you. They have no legal obligation to do so.

Good luck to you, @tpmchugh, and please let us know how you fared in your endeavour!!!
 

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I expect that Canada will work something out in due course. Our first doses of vaccine have been rolled out well, the second doses are now getting started, and before long, the records will be sorted out.

I hope you are correct. My first dose is recorded on a rapidly fading fax printout, no bigger than a grocery receipt. My second dose *was* scheduled for end of July, but now I'm supposed to be all done before the end of June. My son has had his second dose (priority for disability health reasons), and he has no record other than his little fax ticket.

We have no e-records in Ontario (tried for 20 years as policy initiative, but failed thus far to herd those cats).

Of course we have photographed out receipts, but I full expect to be told that these flimsy records are insufficient... Hoping merely that my EU passport can get me to Spain in January.

Am presently working out with my work-based health insurance company to find me a suite of clinics where I can have several months of immunological injections given while I am (we hope) living for a time in Galicia. That I can get an obscure hybridized protein injection secured in a distant country more easily than I can get a record of *anything* at home is just a smidge absurd... and wearying.

But... if anyone can fumble the technicalities, it's Health Canada. In my capacity as a medical anthropologist, I do consulting work for both PHAC and Health Canada... and I have *zero* faith in their *capacity* to go Digital for these records.... especially as our PM has said that a digital certificate or QR system is neither a priority, nor a simple matter to coordinate (because each province manages its own data and its own delivery protocols).
 
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The rollout this week for the "typical" majority is good news and a big accomplishment. I think the rest of us need to be a bit patient.
As I got my Covid certificate today, this is moving much faster than i hoped/believed. The opening of Spain, being the epicentre of our interest (us being able to walk the Caminos again), is certainly good news, and it brings hope of a speedy reopening.

I am sure that it will not be long before non-EU countries adapt the European concept, or that EU countries will be more flexible to other means of documentation. In another thread here today, it was reported that an American couple got into Spain only with their CDC card verified yesterday.

Remember, countries, especially in southern Europe, are very depentant on people (tourists/pilgrims) returning soon. They cannot afford to lose another year of that income.

Greece, for example, had 18 billion Euros in tourist income in 2019. In 2020, it was only 4 billion Euros. They will go down fast as a safe society if borders are not opened soon.

Relax; all will be well soon. Great progress has been made so far.
 
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I expect that Canada will work something out in due course. Our first doses of vaccine have been rolled out well, the second doses are now getting started, and before long, the records will be sorted out.

Of course, it would be nice to have a governmental pass of some kind. But, I am not sure if it is not in place by the time someone who has completed the shots wants to goto Spain that they would have a problem as long as the appropriate information is on the card……Name,, DOB, type of vaccine administered for both shots, dates of service. and where it was administered I believe. That is all we have from USA and folks are being admitted. So if Canada does not have a national system, logically, my sense would be you could go withyour vaccination card.
 

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So if Canada does not have a national system,
I am not concerned. It will happen. We are not a totally disfunctional country!

f anyone can fumble the technicalities, it's Health Canada... and I have *zero* faith in their *capacity
We all have complaints about our countries' bureaucracies. I have complete faith that things will get worked out.
 

Faye Walker

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I am not concerned. It will happen. We are not a totally disfunctional country!


We all have complaints about our countries' bureaucracies. I have complete faith that things will get worked out.
See my edit for my reasoning on zero faith.

I'm a died-in-the-wool leftie, so it's not a criticism of the current government, but of the legacy of a combination of federal funding and provincial administration (and regulation in many cases).

It's also that PHAC was created specifically to track and respond to SARS in 2003, but dropped the ball and has failed at so many points to acquire the statistical data in its mandate on other aspects of population health. I have found myself in conversations that have long gaps of stunned silence when the demographer on the other end realizes "We don't have that data..."
 

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Of course, it would be nice to have a governmental pass of some kind. But, I am not sure if it is not in place by the time someone who has completed the shots wants to goto Spain that they would have a problem as long as the appropriate information is on the card……Name,, DOB, type of vaccine administered for both shots, dates of service. and where it was administered I believe. That is all we have from USA and folks are being admitted. So if Canada does not have a national system, logically, my sense would be you could go withyour vaccination card.

Hopefully so. Canada is not yet on the list of countries allowed for departure to arrive in Spain.

On the "plus side", the lag mandates a watch and see approach from our sidelines. Happy, for example, not to have been the ones who jumped on a trip to Portugal from the UK last week. IMHO they have only their own sense of entitlement to blame, and ought to have planned for such eventualities as mandatory quarantine on return from their holidays.... But for the time-being Canucks are protected from mistakes of hubris so...

Certainly if things do not appear to be as safe as they can be in a COV world come November (we will never be without COV-19; it is just a matter of how it and we will adapt) then I will kibosh my plans to travel in January 2022 and just wait it out for summer 2023, when I think I will just be *moving* rather than *testing the waters*.
 

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I hope you are correct. My first dose is recorded on a rapidly fading fax printout, no bigger than a grocery receipt. My second dose *was* scheduled for end of July, but now I'm supposed to be all done before the end of June. My son has had his second dose (priority for disability health reasons), and he has no record other than his little fax ticket.

We have no e-records in Ontario (tried for 20 years as policy initiative, but failed thus far to herd those cats).

Of course we have photographed out receipts, but I full expect to be told that these flimsy records are insufficient... Hoping merely that my EU passport can get me to Spain in January.

Am presently working out with my work-based health insurance company to find me a suite of clinics where I can have several months of immunological injections given while I am (we hope) living for a time in Galicia. That I can get an obscure hybridized protein injection secured in a distant country more easily than I can get a record of *anything* at home is just a smidge absurd... and wearying.

But... if anyone can fumble the technicalities, it's Health Canada. In my capacity as a medical anthropologist, I do consulting work for both PHAC and Health Canada... and I have *zero* faith in their *capacity* to go Digital for these records.... especially as our PM has said that a digital certificate or QR system is neither a priority, nor a simple matter to coordinate (because each province manages its own data and its own delivery protocols).
So sounds like there is plenty of dysfunction internationally! I do hope Canada can get it together, Faye, but even if Canada does not get nationall pass in place, You might go to your local doctor and in your case get a formal letter certifying your vaccines.

In the USA we will eventually rely onthe private sector to get it done. National govt. will not touch it this year or in the near future.
 
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Remember, countries, especially in southern Europe, are very depentant on people (tourists/pilgrims) returning soon. They cannot afford to lose another year of that income.

Greece, for example, had 18 billion Euros in tourist income in 2019. In 2020, it was only 4 billion Euros. They will go down fast as a safe society if borders are not opened soon.

Relax; all will be well soon. Great progress has been made so far.
True... and I also hope that Camino walkers will not exploit financial need of the destination to impose themselves as a convenient if morally opportunistic stance.

I'd like to see more solid data on the vaccines to deal with Delta. The R for Delta is currently 6; the initial COV-19 R was 3. If the vaccines can show strong efficacy against transmission, that will be wonderful -- and by the end of summer we will know how effective they are against symptoms expression of Delta. Right now? Unclear. Hence my unease about a rush to head for high-traffic communal privileges....
8-12 weeks ... a late summer camino.... maybe clearer bureaucracy...
 

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I'd like to see more solid data on the vaccines to deal with Delta.
News today in Norway says the the Indian variant is a peace of cake for Pfizer, at least (Of which I have had 2 shots).
 

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I hope you are correct. My first dose is recorded on a rapidly fading fax printout, no bigger than a grocery receipt. My second dose *was* scheduled for end of July, but now I'm supposed to be all done before the end of June. My son has had his second dose (priority for disability health reasons), and he has no record other than his little fax ticket.

We have no e-records in Ontario (tried for 20 years as policy initiative, but failed thus far to herd those cats).

Of course we have photographed out receipts, but I full expect to be told that these flimsy records are insufficient... Hoping merely that my EU passport can get me to Spain in January.

Am presently working out with my work-based health insurance company to find me a suite of clinics where I can have several months of immunological injections given while I am (we hope) living for a time in Galicia. That I can get an obscure hybridized protein injection secured in a distant country more easily than I can get a record of *anything* at home is just a smidge absurd... and wearying.

But... if anyone can fumble the technicalities, it's Health Canada. In my capacity as a medical anthropologist, I do consulting work for both PHAC and Health Canada... and I have *zero* faith in their *capacity* to go Digital for these records.... especially as our PM has said that a digital certificate or QR system is neither a priority, nor a simple matter to coordinate (because each province manages its own data and its own delivery protocols).
My husband received an email receipt from the Ministry of health in Ontario after he got his second dose.
 
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Faye Walker

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News today in Norway says the the Indian variant is a peace of cake for Pfizer, at least (Of which I have had 2 shots).
We hope so, absolutely. And I hope that the world becomes comfortable with the idea of annual boosters, and with the idea that "positive case" is not equal to "expression of disease".... I think by the end of July we will be closer to those points, conceptually. For now, countries are reasonable to worry that an R-6 spread -- especially when 40% of the home population is refusing vaccination and plenty of "holidaymakers" (see the Portugal story yesterday with people rising home purposely to avoid quarantine) avoiding quarantine -- could be enormously problematic.

The sooner we can all get on board with the EU model for ascertaining the vaccine status of travellers, the better. The sooner we know whether asymptomatic travellers can transmit Delta to the 40% of refuseniks.... the better. But some of this just take the time that biology takes to show itself.
 

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This is a simple request to the forum.
The recent news of the situation with UK holidaymakers in Portugal was NOT their fault. They were doing what the majority of this forum wants...a return to foreign travel and were doing what every member of this forum does....having a bit of family R&R.
They complied with every requirement that was asked by both the UK government and their host country.
They did so in good faith.
I would request, which has been noticable by its;absence, that any criticism is restricted to your own country and not to others....
The change (by the UK government) whilst many families were on a much needed holiday was not their fault and was unseen. It should not be treated with any schadenfreude.

Edit: I should add that they were giving a much needed boost, economically, to a fellow European country.
 
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Faye, I am confident, from what we currently know, that right now, a fully vaccinated traveler with an WHO approved vaccine can go to Europe safely, if they also follow CDC guidelines. The best way to prevent infection is to to use effective precautions like N95 masks (which we can get now), distance, washing hands frequently and proper ventilation. If we do this as vaccinated indviduals we should be safe even from the Delta Virus. Right now its a go for me in September.
 
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Faye Walker

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This is a simple request to the forum.
The recent news of the situation with UK holidaymakers in Portugal was NOT their fault. They were doing what the majority of this forum wants...a return to foreign travel and were doing what every member of this forum does....having a bit of family R&R.
They complied with every requirement that was asked by both the UK government and their host country.
They did so in good faith.
I would request, which has been noticable by its;absence, that any criticism is restricted to your own country and not to others....
The change (by the UK government) whilst many families were on a much needed holiday was not their fault and was unseen. It should not be treated with any schadenfreude.

Edit: I should add that they were giving a much needed boost, economically, to a fellow European country.

Or maybe it would do everyone well to remember that cheap holidays always come at some expense to someone. Cheap flights. Cheap hotels. The UK government did not want to be left holding a very expensive tab for some people's decisions.

We are all clamouring all over the world to race off in all directions, and while tourism industries everywhere rely on that travel, there is something of a cynical exploitation of the need that comes off as "Too bad for them. They need my dollars, what few I will deign to part with for my own enjoyment and convenience." The problem is not specific to the UK. It is human self-centredness on full display from all quarters.

We *KNOW* there is an unpredictable pandemic. We know that there are likely to be about 6-7 waves before such things really calm down. We *MIGHT* have a chance to make it 4-5 waves (some have already had a 4th). We *KNOW* that borders on maps do not reflect concrete boundaries on viruses.

If we cannot take time to self-quarantine on return home, then perhaps we ought to holiday at home. Unless we think ourselves more precious than our neighbours, colleagues, and so on.

Travel is too cheap now, and the world has been spoiled by it. Environments trammelled... the large cities of Europe uninhabitable by the locals priced out before the pandemic by cruise ships and Air-B-N-B.

All I'm getting at is that it's worth taking a pause to examine what we are really due because we have the means to pay the discounted prices.

And matters of bureaucratic decision-making and policy implementations are not "politics" (at least not in the sense that the forum intends).

We ought all to assume that in very uncertain times that bureaucracies may have extreme challenges rolling out agreed-upon certificates for things like vaccine passports. And it makes no sense to depart from home assuming that the travel freedoms and restrictions in place will remain in place. Everything is in flux. Some of us can afford to travel when things are in flux. I am not among those who could afford to make assumptions, or skirt rules... Those who can ought not complain if/when having placed their bets they have to pony up.
 

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Or maybe it would do everyone well to remember that cheap holidays always come at some expense to someone. Cheap flights. Cheap hotels. The UK government did not want to be left holding a very expensive tab for some people's decisions.

We are all clamouring all over the world to race off in all directions, and while tourism industries everywhere rely on that travel, there is something of a cynical exploitation of the need that comes off as "Too bad for them. They need my dollars, what few I will deign to part with for my own enjoyment and convenience." The problem is not specific to the UK. It is human self-centredness on full display from all quarters.

We *KNOW* there is an unpredictable pandemic. We know that there are likely to be about 6-7 waves before such things really calm down. We *MIGHT* have a chance to make it 4-5 waves (some have already had a 4th). We *KNOW* that borders on maps do not reflect concrete boundaries on viruses.

If we cannot take time to self-quarantine on return home, then perhaps we ought to holiday at home. Unless we think ourselves more precious than our neighbours, colleagues, and so on.

Travel is too cheap now, and the world has been spoiled by it. Environments trammelled... the large cities of Europe uninhabitable by the locals priced out before the pandemic by cruise ships and Air-B-N-B.

All I'm getting at is that it's worth taking a pause to examine what we are really due because we have the means to pay the discounted prices.

And matters of bureaucratic decision-making and policy implementations are not "politics" (at least not in the sense that the forum intends).

We ought all to assume that in very uncertain times that bureaucracies may have extreme challenges rolling out agreed-upon certificates for things like vaccine passports. And it makes no sense to depart from home assuming that the travel freedoms and restrictions in place will remain in place. Everything is in flux. Some of us can afford to travel when things are in flux. I am not among those who could afford to make assumptions, or skirt rules... Those who can ought not complain if/when having placed their bets they have to pony up.
I give up Faye.
 

Faye Walker

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Faye, I am confident, from what we currently know, that right now, a fully vaccinated traveler with an WHO approved vaccine can go to Europe safely, if they also follow CDC guidelines. The best way to prevent infection is to to use effective precautions like N95 masks (which we can get now), distance, washing hands frequently and proper ventilation. If we do this as vaccinated indviduals we should be safe even from the Delta Virus. Right now its a go for me in September.
Biologically speaking, I do not disagree. In terms of personal responsibility, I do not disagree.

Will we have that documentation from Canada by September? Back channels in health sector tell me not to bank on it. I think late fall is more likely. May I be wrong!!! yes please!!!

However; where I live ( major centre with a university teaching hospital among its resources), the local heath authority does not even know who has been vaccinated, and this is causing massive problems for the health units trying to get shots into arms, trying to record accurately whether those with partial vaccinations are facing community spread or not...
 

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and how will this affect pilgrims from Canada and the getting a certificate ?
Manitoba announced today a QR code immunization card that initially will be used for travel inside Canada. Holders of the card will not need to isolate. It sounds like the EU and CDC cards. My wife and I hope to be in Spain in September!
 
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I expect that Canada will work something out in due course. Our first doses of vaccine have been rolled out well, the second doses are now getting started, and before long, the records will be sorted out.
In BC, Canada, we get a card where the dates of the 1st and second vaccines, along with the type of vaccine and lot number is written. BC also has a website where you can register your vaccination and it can easily be pulled up on your smartphone.
 

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Just for information: When you post a QR code without blanking out some pixels, everyone with a QR reader can read it. The QR code above, for example, is a link that points to the Login webpage where one enters email and password to view a Monitoba Immunization Card/Fiche d'immunisation.

Such a QR code does not correspond to the technical standards and safety features of the EU Digital Covid certificate. QR code is not QR code, so to speak.
 
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Discussing and criticising the reasons why the Johnson administration put Portugal on their green list and removed it from their green list and put it in their amber list would be a political discussion. Merely stating the fact isn't.Talking about how travellers react to such decisions is not a political discussion either.

Just like discussing and criticising the reasons why the Sanchez administration allows certain categories of leisure travellers into Spain, without coordination with other EU countries, would be a political discussion. Merely stating the fact isn't. Talking about how travellers react to such decisions is not a political discussion either.

Neither of this has much if anything to do with the fact that EU digital Covid certificates are being rolled out and that some EU Europeans are already holding them in their hands or have already stored them on their smartphones. Canadians and Britons will not be issued with EU vaccination certificates.

From Spain's point of view, btw, vaccinated Canadians are no longer barred from entry into Spain. They can travel to Spain without an obligation for negative Covid tests or self-isolation. Under the same conditions as vaccinated Americans.
 

Kathar1na

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Is that your personal QR code? I'm not sure if it's a good idea to post it here.
There is nothing personal in the QR code that @bergmannfamily posted. It is a link to a website where you sees two empty boxes for entering email and password. Nothing to get excited about.

Your warning is appropriate though. One should not post a QR code when one doesn't know which information it contains. It could contain personal information.
 

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I do think there is a fine point to be made also that one’s citizenship is not relevant per se. Point of departure is the relevant piece.
I am an EU citizen, but live in Canada, have been vaccinated in Canada. I am not eligible for the EU green passport (and that’s totally *fine* — not complaining, just stating the fact).
I will travel — when I do — with my EU PP because I don’t want the hassle of visa requirements coming into play in 2022 for North America’s, and because I am seeking to settle in Spain in 2023.
And the fact for the time being — in answer to the Canadians who regularly ask “when we will get an equivalent to the QR code green passport for EU citizens” is this: there’s been periodic mention of it from various bodies in the capital (our DOJ works in conjunction with border security and public health) to indicate that they are “thinking about” this or that… but there are many logistical hurdles because each province administers its own healthcare. That’s just procedural information.
If things settle out nicely, and Spain will take our little faxed pieces of paper, then Canadians will have only to wonder when we will actually be permitted to leave Canada for non-essential travel, and — for those for whom such things matter — when quarantine will not be a requirement on return to Canada.
Knowing what I know about public health policy, and about virology estimations for 4-6 waves, I would not leave without having a plan to quarantine on return until we’ve made it through the fall.
Meanwhile, I remain delighted for those residing in the EU to be able to travel and enjoy European travel without us.
 

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@Faye Walker, all that we EU Europeans know at this point in time is that some people in some EU countries have been issued with their EU vaccination certificates. Wait until 1 July when all the millions who have been vaccinated to date have a right to request their EU vaccination certificate. We know already that some EU countries have insisted on putting a grace period of 6 weeks into the legislation because their systems will not be ready in time. And those with highly decentralised public health systems that are not yet fully digitalised at all levels are also struggling.
 

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@Faye Walker, all that we EU Europeans know at this point in time is that some people in some EU countries have been issued with their EU vaccination certificates. Wait until 1 July when all the millions who have been vaccinated to date have a right to request their EU vaccination certificate. We know already that some EU countries have insisted on putting a grace period of 6 weeks into the legislation because their systems will not be ready in time. And those with highly decentralised public health systems that are not fully digitalised at all levels are also struggling.
Rephrase — delighted that the process has begun, and that some people are receiving certificates (now, I forget is Norway actually an EU country? … I can never remember in Scandinavia because many are not on the euro anyway)… and living where I do for now, I don’t keep track.
 
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Rephrase — delighted that the process has begun, and that some people are receiving certificates (now, I forget is Norway actually an EU country? … I can never remember in Scandinavia because many are not on the euro anyway)… and living where I do for now, I don’t keep track.
It's complicated. In this case, non-EU countries Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland must join the EU vaccination certificate system and develop appropriate IT infrastructure, while EU countries Denmark and Ireland can do so if they want and if they declare that they will. They did, btw.
 

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It's complicated. In this case, non-EU countries Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland must join the EU vaccination certificate system and develop appropriate IT infrastructure, while EU countries Denmark and Ireland can do so if they want and if they declare that they will. They did, btw.
They didnt....Southern Ireland (Eire) might have done. Northern Ireland isn't part of the EU.
 
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The Re-open EU website has now a tab with information about how far an EU country is advanced with their EU Certificates.

Some countries are in the stage "is ready to connect to the EU DCC Gateway", others are in the stage "This country is in the technical testing phase to connect to the EU DCC Gateway" and some are in the most advanced stage "This country is already connected to the gateway and issuing and/or verifying at least one EU Digital Covid Certificate (vaccination, recovery, test)."

Spain is in the most advanced stage.

There is another tab on Re-open EU where some countries have already placed details of the benefits of holding an EU certificate. For example, in Spain you will be able to go through the FAST CONTROL channel at the airport while others must go through the DOCUMENT CONTROL channel.
 
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Bristle Boy

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Discussing and criticising the reasons why the Johnson administration put Portugal on their green list and removed it from their green list and put it in their amber list would be a political discussion. Merely stating the fact isn't.Talking about how travellers react to such decisions is not a political discussion either.

Just like discussing and criticising the reasons why the Sanchez administration allows certain categories of leisure travellers into Spain, without coordination with other EU countries, would be a political discussion. Merely stating the fact isn't. Talking about how travellers react to such decisions is not a political discussion either.

Neither of this has much if anything to do with the fact that EU digital Covid certificates are being rolled out and that some EU Europeans are already holding them in their hands or have already stored them on their smartphones. Canadians and Britons will not be issued with EU vaccination certificates.

From Spain's point of view, btw, vaccinated Canadians are no longer barred from entry into Spain. They can travel to Spain without an obligation for negative Covid tests or self-isolation. Under the same conditions as vaccinated Americans.
If you are replying to my post I think you are muddling up the two.
My first post is a request to keep away from discussing politics (particularly UK politics)...I believe those are the forum rules and should have passed without comment.
My second post was a simple polite request to avoid bringing the UK into every discussion in a negative manner. This thread was about the EU rollout of its digital covid certificate and nothing to do with the UK or the recent change in policy as far as travel to Portugal was concerned.
Many of these people were key workers and interviewed both in Portugal and on their return to the UK.
This is a simple request.
Not only dial down on the anti UK rhetoric but dial out of it altogether.
It is noticable how the UK is constantly referenced in a way that no other countries are..

"They" get it.
 
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Kathar1na

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We had forum members mention the specific and recent situations of German tourists on Mallorca, of French tourists in Madrid, and now of British tourists in Portugal. The latter story as an example for the warning: Prepare to deal with the consequences when you travel abroad right now while the situation is volatile everywhere.

I personally didn't feel a need to mention the story of Portugal tourists in this thread or in another thread. Nor do I personally need to hear the warning to consider all potential consequences of my travel plans, but this very recent story is a pertinent reference and example to share. It is helpful to hear for many around the globe who are less familiar with current situations in the various European countries than I am. They may mistake the "opening" of countries and the lifting of public health related restrictions as an an "all clear" signal and an invitation to travel to Europe imminently.

The rollout of the EU Digital Covid certificate system is happening precisely because the public health situation is volatile everywhere in Europe this summer. The EU law that goes with it has a sunshine clause: it will expire on 30 June 2022.
 
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Bristle Boy

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We had forum members mention the specific and recent situations of German tourists on Mallorca, of French tourists in Madrid, and now of British tourists in Portugal. The latter story as an example for the warning: Prepare to deal with the consequences when you travel abroad right now while the situation is volatile everywhere.

I didn't feel a need to mention the story of Portugal tourists in this thread or in another thread. Nor do I need to hear the warning to consider all potential consequences of my travel plans, but this very recent story is a pertinent reference and example to share. It is helpful to hear for many around the globe who are less familiar with current situations in the various European countries than I am. They may mistake the "opening" of countries and the lifting of public health related restrictions as an an "all clear" signal and an invitation to travel to Europe imminently.

The rollout of the EU Digital Covid certificate system is happening precisely because the public health situation is volatile everywhere in Europe this summer. The EU law that goes with it has a sunshine clause: it will expire on 30 June 2022.
" I didn't need to mention the story of Portuguese tourists in this thread or in another thread"

Not true is it?

You posted quoting two newspaper sources (the Sun and the Times) of 10000 UK tourists being refused entry into Portugal the week before the first flip flop arrived on Portuguese soil.
Neither were these articles accurate; they were prescient and filled with sensational hyperbole.
This was only about four weeks ago.
The FACTS are important.
 
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