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Support for addicts walking the Camino?

Kanga

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Francés x 5, Le Puy x 2, Arles, Tours, Norte, Madrid, Via de la Plata, Portuguese, Primitivo
Yesterday I had a query from a member of the local Camino group. She's been in the AA 12 Step Program for 29 years, and while on Camino last year was upset by the pressure she felt to join in with drinking alcohol. She was not keen to disclose her history every time she sat down with a bunch of strangers. And I agree with her that no-one should feel they have to give any reason why they do not want to drink, in the same way that I hope we don't press anyone to explain other choices.

She felt it would have been helpful to know other fellow walkers in the same predicament, and it only takes two people (apparently) to have an AA meeting. She has recently trained to be a hospitalero and was wondering how she could effectively start something.

I'm thinking that many albergues have a message board at the entrance, and I suppose people could put up something on that, if they were interested, but any ideas are welcome.
 
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somewhere between "not enough" and "way too many"
@Kanga -

I walked my first Camino "substance-free" perhaps just to make a point to myself.

I found there were menu choices to be "sociable" - the zero-alcohol beers are excellent and in the last few years I have noticed zero-alcohol wines. Place your order discreetly and no one is the wiser.

Caught out in a situation, I ordered something 'sin alcohol' that fit the moment and, if queried about the' choice, responded, "Hey, no judgement here, do as you will!! Alcohol just doesn't work for me anymore. Disrupted sleep, snoring, extra tired in the morning...no, I don't want that. Call me a wimp if you want!" and then SMILE. Those that needed to notice, and be encouraged, did.

There was little fuss after the first couple of sit-downs though I did avoid group situations for the most part. In retrospect, my avoidance had more to do with recurrent public analyses of my personality. There were a lot of psychotherapists on the Way that year. 😀

The like-minded (about alcohol) knew who I was and it was no effort to find time chat whenever.

Pretty sure that I would be unlikely to post a message on an albergue board. That's not a criticism of your suggestion but rather an aversion to that level of disclosure.

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Bradypus

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Too many and too often!
Pretty sure that I would be unlikely to post a message on an albergue board. That's not a criticism of your suggestion but rather an aversion to that level of disclosure.
My own personal issues are slightly different but I would not choose to stick them on a public notice board either! Not convinced that an entirely random population would provide the support I might be looking for. And internet forums are not a great substitute for the confessional or the psychiatrist's couch either...Especially not amongst pilgrims who are almost by definition a strange and unstable bunch :)
 

trecile

Camino Addict
Camino(s) past & future
Francés (2016 & 2017), Norte (2018), Francés-Salvador-Norte (2019), Portuguese (2019)
I have seen signs in several villages on the Camino about AA meetings. I think that perhaps one was in Hontanas???
 

jgiesbrecht

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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances Sept-Oct 2020
I don't drink, and am not worried about pressure (though also haven't had the problem of addiction). That being said, I think that if one is too worried about support and use, then maybe it might not be the right time to go walk the camino. This is not a judgement thing at all, more of a concern. If one does not think they may be strong enough when it comes to falling into bad patterns or old unhelpful patterns, maybe some more time is needed to gain that strength and then reconsider the camino in the future.
 

Peter Fransiscus

Be a Rainbow in someone else's cloud.
Camino(s) past & future
All that we are is the result of what we have thought.
Yesterday I had a query from a member of the local Camino group. She's been in the AA 12 Step Program for 29 years, and while on Camino last year was upset by the pressure she felt to join in with drinking alcohol. She was not keen to disclose her history every time she sat down with a bunch of strangers. And I agree with her that no-one should feel they have to give any reason why they do not want to drink, in the same way that I hope we don't press anyone to explain other choices.

She felt it would have been helpful to know other fellow walkers in the same predicament, and it only takes two people (apparently) to have an AA meeting. She has recently trained to be a hospitalero and was wondering how she could effectively start something.

I'm thinking that many albergues have a message board at the entrance, and I suppose people could put up something on that, if they were interested, but any ideas are welcome.
I know someone who walked the Camino when she was dry for 2 years. If anyone asked why she didn't drink alcohol, she was always very open about it. And still is . She thinks you should just discuss it and that helps.
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Tough call to merely disclose it and I can understand why some would not want to.
Though I think 99% of Pilgrims would understand be totally sympathetic.

I suppose other options might be to just say something to just 'kill the topic'.
My Father was an alcoholic so I don't want to touch it.
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I have xyx condition and can't tolerate alcohol any more (I see there are allergies to alcohol)
 

nathanael

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Camino(s) past & future
Frances, Norte, Plata,
I have seen signs in several villages on the Camino about AA meetings. I think that perhaps one was in Hontanas???
I have experienced a lot of drinking on the Camino and why I stay at a pensione or Albergues that close at 10. The only time ever had to threaten a man from Barcelona was due to his excessive drinking and meanness. I told I would call the Guardia Civil. This man drank a full bottle of wine at all meals and carried his own alcohol and would put blankest all around his bunk so no one could see him drinking. His behavior becoming alarming to me so that I made sure he was two-three days in front of me so I never saw him again. An elderly man from Denmark was threatened by him and he used obscene language the man-made sure he stay away from him. I should have called the Guardia Civil he was a threat due to his drinking and a bully who didn't belong on the Camino. His threats continued throughout the day; it was a Camino from hell.
 

Turga

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CF (Aug/Sep 2017)
CF (Aug/Sep 2018)
I never felt any pressure about drinking, but then I’m not an addict so perhaps I’m insensitive to that kind of pressure. Sometimes I choose to have a drink, sometimes I choose not to. I think that inquiring someone why they don’t drink is quite intrusive so perhaps I would feel tempted to reply “That’s none of your business!”
 

Turga

Camino tortuga
Camino(s) past & future
CF (Aug/Sep 2017)
CF (Aug/Sep 2018)
Especially not amongst pilgrims who are almost by definition a strange and unstable bunch :)
Really? You think pilgrims are stranger and more unstable than any other "bunch" of people? Specifically when it comes to questions of addiction or in general? I'm just curious :)
 

lt56ny

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Camino(s) past & future
CF(2012) Le Puy/CF (2015) Portugues (2017) Norte (2018) CF (2019) VDLP?
I do not know how she feels. Only my experience. But I think she is correct about the pressure to drink. I partied a lot in my younger days. I rarely have a glass of wine or a beer. I get tired of people pushing me even a little to drink. I really don’t want to and I also really don’t want to insult the Spanish or anyone but for me generally speaking I think that the vino tinto sucks as I usually taste the vino tinto From a pilgrim menu. Even when I have had “better” vino tinto on the Camino I don’t like them. I also have observed without any proof of course that often people on podcasts who rave the most about wine and “love their beer” as well as those I have met on the Camino should probably be looking for AA meetings themselves. Maybe I am talking out of my wazoo but unfortunately alcoholism is a disease that is everywhere. Even on camino. To tell you the truth on my last Camino I did quietly say no thanks and when pressed even a little I would say I think cold wine sucks and I don’t like sweet liquors either so I will just have water.
 

martin1ws

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Camino(s) past & future
Somport to Finisterre Jul-Aug 2018; Munich to Lindau (Germany) Sep 2020
... I also have observed without any proof of course that often people on podcasts who rave the most about wine and “love their beer” as well as those I have met on the Camino should probably be looking for AA meetings themselves. Maybe I am talking out of my wazoo but unfortunately alcoholism is a disease that is everywhere. Even on camino....
First, I thought, the last two sentences are overdone. But if I think again... I drink almost no alcohol at home in everyday life. And I drank a lot more on the Camino Frances and Camino Fisterra than at home. A lot more is relative... I never felt bad at the next morning... but probably too much that I would not get used to it if I would drink so much alcohol in my everyday life. But of course this happens very fast... if I drink one beer at lunch and share one bottle of wine with another pilgrim in the evening... this is "too much" for everyday life without getting used to alcohol.

If I think of the extrovert / introvert thread... I think I am more introvert... and alcohol can "help" here. And I liked socialising very much on the Camino.

I think that there are many more people who have alcohol problems than one normally sees... e. g. the AA meetings are "anonymous". Or e.g.: "More than 10 percent of U.S. children live with a parent with alcohol problems, according to a 2012 study"

I think I never pushed anybody even little to drink... but probably I should be more aware of this and help everybody verbally, if he or she gets pushed even little to drink by someone else.
 
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Bradypus

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Camino(s) past & future
Too many and too often!
eally? You think pilgrims are stranger and more unstable than any other "bunch" of people? Specifically when it comes to questions of addiction or in general? I'm just curious :)
Not specifically with regard to addiction. Many people might think that walking long distances is a peculiar thing to do though. But mainly I was playing a little with the different shades of meaning of the words. Benedictine monks take a 'vow of stability' which binds them to one place. By contrast we pilgrims are vagus - wandering - and therefore the opposite of stable :) And because we are vagus we are constantly in new places and amongst new people and so we are strangers. Fortunately I have never needed the support of an AA style group but my feeling is that I would probably prefer to look for support in a more permanent structured company than a chance meeting on a Camino might offer.
 

lt56ny

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Camino(s) past & future
CF(2012) Le Puy/CF (2015) Portugues (2017) Norte (2018) CF (2019) VDLP?
First, I thought, the last two sentences are overdone. But if I think again... I drink almost no alcohol at home in everyday life. And I drank a lot more on the Camino Frances and Camino Fisterra than at home. A lot more is relative... I never felt bad at the next morning... but probably too much that I would not get used to it if I would drink so much alcohol in my everyday life. But of course this happens very fast... if I drink one beer at lunch and share one bottle of wine with another pilgrim in the evening... this is "too much" for everyday life without getting used to alcohol.

If I think of the extrovert / introvert thread... I think I am more introvert... and alcohol can "help" here. And I liked socialising very much on the Camino.

I think that there are many more people who have alcohol problems than one normally sees... e. g. the AA meetings are "anonymous". Or e.g.: "More than 10 percent of U.S. children live with a parent with alcohol problems, according to a 2012 study"

I think I never pushed anybody even little to drink... but probably I should be more aware of this and help everybody’s verbally, if he or she gets pushed even little to drink by someone else.
My observation is just that. No basis for overall certainty or fact. feelings and experiences. No more or less.
 

austinpilgrim

Austinpilgrim
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2014), Portuguese (2015), Primitivo (2016), Lucca to Rome (2017), VDLP (2019)
This wasn’t my idea, but after meeting and walking with a fellow pilgrim who had the circle and triangle stitched to his pack on my first Camino I have done the same on subsequent walks. It has resulted in conversations with several pilgrim members of 12-step programs—several of those two person meetings. I have had only two uncomfortable experiences of feeling pressured to drink on a Camino—both on the VDLP last year. I attribute that to my lack of language skills rather than malice. 880413B2-973E-4102-983C-2E381BB31D26.jpeg
 

Kanga

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Francés x 5, Le Puy x 2, Arles, Tours, Norte, Madrid, Via de la Plata, Portuguese, Primitivo
Ah that's great! I did not even know it was the symbol for the 12 step program, but what a good idea.
 

Bob from L.A. !

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Camino Francis 2012, 2014, 2016. Camino Norte 2018. Many more to come in my future God willing !
have seen signs in several villages on the Camino about AA meetings. I think that perhaps one was in Hontanas???
I have also seen numerous AA notifications posted on boards at the entryways of Hostels, albergues etc... Also, one could probably find out the information at the local pilgrims office or oficina de tourisimo.

Great topic for discussion.....
 

domigee

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Camino(s) past & future
2020? Looks like.... nowhere! 😁
Yesterday I had a query from a member of the local Camino group. She's been in the AA 12 Step Program for 29 years, and while on Camino last year was upset by the pressure she felt to join in with drinking alcohol. She was not keen to disclose her history every time she sat down with a bunch of strangers. And I agree with her that no-one should feel they have to give any reason why they do not want to drink, in the same way that I hope we don't press anyone to explain other choices.

She felt it would have been helpful to know other fellow walkers in the same predicament, and it only takes two people (apparently) to have an AA meeting. She has recently trained to be a hospitalero and was wondering how she could effectively start something.

I'm thinking that many albergues have a message board at the entrance, and I suppose people could put up something on that, if they were interested, but any ideas are welcome.
Just say you don’t drink alcohol... I don’t see the problem.
 

koilife

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Camino(s) past & future
CF w/ son #1 (2013); Logrono-Leon/Salvador/Primitivo w/ son #2 (2016); Portugues w/ son #3 (2020)
I walked with someone for about a week who simply stated, "Thank you, but I don't drink." He was firm but polite; nothing more needed to be said, and I don't recall anyone pressing the matter.

Honestly, I wouldn't have known he was in AA until he brought it up in our conversation several days in --- the kind of rapport and deeper sharing that sometimes happens when walking with someone consistently.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Full Camino, St Jean Pied de Port - Santiago de Compostela and on to Finisterre, planning now from Friday 25 August 2017 to Monday 2 October 2017
Yesterday I had a query from a member of the local Camino group. She's been in the AA 12 Step Program for 29 years, and while on Camino last year was upset by the pressure she felt to join in with drinking alcohol. She was not keen to disclose her history every time she sat down with a bunch of strangers. And I agree with her that no-one should feel they have to give any reason why they do not want to drink, in the same way that I hope we don't press anyone to explain other choices.

She felt it would have been helpful to know other fellow walkers in the same predicament, and it only takes two people (apparently) to have an AA meeting. She has recently trained to be a hospitalero and was wondering how she could effectively start something.

I'm thinking that many albergues have a message board at the entrance, and I suppose people could put up something on that, if they were interested, but any ideas are welcome.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Full Camino, St Jean Pied de Port - Santiago de Compostela and on to Finisterre, planning now from Friday 25 August 2017 to Monday 2 October 2017
I am teetotal, I have never drank alcohol in my life. I have been on the Camino 5 times and have never felt pressured to drink alcohol. I never frequent pubs or bars, so I suppose that makes it easier. Be your own person.
 

SYates

Camino Fossil AD 1999, now living in Santiago de C
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One 'excuse' that comes to my mind if you can't / want to drink alcohol but don't want to disclose too many personal details is: "I have to take medication (at the moment) that would make me really sick if combined with alcohol." Nobody will try to argue with that ;-)
BC SY
 

VeganCamino

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Camino(s) past & future
Future Frances from Saint Jean Pied du Port to Burgos, starting in June.
Yesterday I had a query from a member of the local Camino group. She's been in the AA 12 Step Program for 29 years, and while on Camino last year was upset by the pressure she felt to join in with drinking alcohol. She was not keen to disclose her history every time she sat down with a bunch of strangers. And I agree with her that no-one should feel they have to give any reason why they do not want to drink, in the same way that I hope we don't press anyone to explain other choices.

She felt it would have been helpful to know other fellow walkers in the same predicament, and it only takes two people (apparently) to have an AA meeting. She has recently trained to be a hospitalero and was wondering how she could effectively start something.

I'm thinking that many albergues have a message board at the entrance, and I suppose people could put up something on that, if they were interested, but any ideas are welcome.
Thanks for bringing this up. I have been thinking of a similar situation in that many people try to quit smoking when go on this journey. I worked at retreat centers for 14 years and saw many people try to quit as their retreat started. I myself smoked for years and then quit. I have been mulling over the idea of offering a 7 day group "tour" of the last 100K of the Camino with support for those who are quitting or just quit. Curious if others think this would be a viable idea?
 

Karen Cap

Member
Camino(s) past & future
September2016
Yesterday I had a query from a member of the local Camino group. She's been in the AA 12 Step Program for 29 years, and while on Camino last year was upset by the pressure she felt to join in with drinking alcohol. She was not keen to disclose her history every time she sat down with a bunch of strangers. And I agree with her that no-one should feel they have to give any reason why they do not want to drink, in the same way that I hope we don't press anyone to explain other choices.

She felt it would have been helpful to know other fellow walkers in the same predicament, and it only takes two people (apparently) to have an AA meeting. She has recently trained to be a hospitalero and was wondering how she could effectively start something.

I'm thinking that many albergues have a message board at the entrance, and I suppose people could put up something on that, if they were interested, but any ideas are welcome.
My husband is a recovered alcoholic. He hadn’t had a drink in decades. He simply declined wine. I did enjoy the wine. No one ever pressured him to drink.
A simple ‘no thank you’ should be enough. But if someone continues to encourage alcohol, you could say a strong ‘No thank you!’ If they continue , there are many other very compassionate pilgrims that you could eat with.
 

gschmidl

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Camino(s) past & future
Kumano Kodo (11/2018), Camino Sanabres (4/2019)
"Alcohol-free" beer is almost always not actually alcohol free and can trigger relapse.
 

David Tallan

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Camino(s) past & future
Frances (1989 and 2016), Portugues - from Porto (2018)
I am teetotal, I have never drank alcohol in my life. I have been on the Camino 5 times and have never felt pressured to drink alcohol. I never frequent pubs or bars, so I suppose that makes it easier. Be your own person.
Wow. I can't imagine walking a Camino without ever stopping at a bar at some point during my walk. I generally don't buy alcohol when doing so, but where else would one get cafe con leche, a bit of tortilla or a bocadillo, some fresh squeezed orange juice or any of the other necessities to keep one going?
 
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I have never had an alcoholic drink. . . got turned off to even the notion of trying it from watching a family member's behavior. Mine is not the same as the recovering alcoholic's required need for abstinence, but my preference to abstain has a similar challenge.

Anecdotally, even when limited to group seating at a pilgrim dinner with alcohol drinkers and generous offers for me to share wine or beer, just a normal "No, thanks" was sufficient. No one pressed the issue, asked for an explanation, or looked askance at me.
 

Dilbin

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Irun to Santander del Norte
Yesterday I had a query from a member of the local Camino group. She's been in the AA 12 Step Program for 29 years, and while on Camino last year was upset by the pressure she felt to join in with drinking alcohol. She was not keen to disclose her history every time she sat down with a bunch of strangers. And I agree with her that no-one should feel they have to give any reason why they do not want to drink, in the same way that I hope we don't press anyone to explain other choices.

She felt it would have been helpful to know other fellow walkers in the same predicament, and it only takes two people (apparently) to have an AA meeting. She has recently trained to be a hospitalero and was wondering how she could effectively start something.

I'm thinking that many albergues have a message board at the entrance, and I suppose people could put up something on that, if they were interested, but Hi. Just a quick r
Yesterday I had a query from a member of the local Camino group. She's been in the AA 12 Step Program for 29 years, and while on Camino last year was upset by the pressure she felt to join in with drinking alcohol. She was not keen to disclose her history every time she sat down with a bunch of strangers. And I agree with her that no-one should feel they have to give any reason why they do not want to drink, in the same way that I hope we don't press anyone to explain other choices.

She felt it would have been helpful to know other fellow walkers in the same predicament, and it only takes two people (apparently) to have an AA meeting. She has recently trained to be a hospitalero and was wondering how she could effectively start something.

I'm thinking that many albergues have a message board at the entrance, and I suppose people could put up something on that, if they were interested, but any ideas are welcome.
Hi. Generally a subtle message in AA lingo should be enough to generate the support needed and also would be subtle enough to avoid breaking Anonymity etc. Fortunately with modern technology AA meetings can be found if needed while walking the Camino. Personally I walked the Norte last year and could have attended meetings along the way but as I did it over 3 stages it wasn't necessary. Posting the caption "Friends of Bill W" and a time to meet should do the trick.
 
Camino(s) past & future
French Camino(2012,2016)
Porto-Santiago(2013)
LePuy-St Jean (2014)
EPW(2017)
Via Francigena(2018)
I've been sober many years and I attend meetings on a regular basis here in the states.
When I walk the Camino, I stay in touch with fellow members from my home groups via what's app, emails and sometimes Face time.
I stop in at the bars all the time to get coffee, a bite to eat, and to use the rest room. I've eaten many meals along the way with others who drink wine/beer with dinner or lunch. I always say no thank you when I've been asked if I would like any alcohol. I've never felt pressured to drink.
If the situation gets to be too much for me, I graciously bow out and go to my room in a private accommodation.
 

Peligro

I walk between cafe breaks
Camino(s) past & future
St. Jean to SdC the slow way (Aug'15, Aug'17, Jan'18, Aug'18, Jan'19, Jul'19) Primitivo (May'20)
"Alcohol-free" beer is almost always not actually alcohol free and can trigger relapse.
Many bars in Spain offer both Sin (0.5%) and 0.0%. You are right that the difference is important to certain people.

I've had two occasions of being pressured. Once a guy was insisting to me that Leon was not the place to stick to water but I was with an almost two meter Italian guy who told him sternly to drop it and he did.

The other time in O Cebreiro a couple of guys would not take no for an answer and went so far as to say the shot they wanted me to take with them was not very strong. When I stood my ground they literally said my not drinking was a "mariconada". Worst part is they ignored the woman I was with who enjoyed drinking. I even told them she would have a shot but they didn't offer her anything. Fortunately we never ran across those guys again.

On the whole the vast majority of people on the Camino could care less if you drink. A few have asked me privately after getting to know me because they wonder why I don't drink. I think it is wise to be prepared mentally for there to be a carafe of wine being passed around every night. But I don't get excluded from the revelry for passing the wine without taking any.
 

Rebekah Scott

Camino Busybody
Camino(s) past & future
Many, various, and continuing.
I have never been pressured about drinking or not drinking, but then I only recently stopped drinking alcohol myself... even now, I will have a glass of wine here and there.
I would like to add that not everyone who doesn't drink is/was an "addict."
It is nobody's business what anyone drinks or doesn't drink, long as he does it responsibly. If I ever am pressed, I will likely just say "It doesn't agree with me." And that's a fact!
 
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Dilbin

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Camino(s) past & future
Irun to Santander del Norte
I have never been pressured about drinking or not drinking, but then I only recently stopped drinking alcohol myself... even now, I will have a glass of wine here and there.
I would like to add that not everyone who doesn't drink is/was an "addict."
It is nobody's business what anyone drinks or doesn't drink, long as he does it responsibly. If I ever am pressed, I will likely just say "It doesn't agree with me." And that's a fact!
I dont think that is what was suggested in the opening thread. I'm an addict and it doesn't bother me who drinks. Definitely didn't feel any pressure from anybody and most people I met were drinking. The first person who began the thread was just asking advice regarding the subject and enquiring about support.
 

notion900

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I think that if one is too worried about support and use, then maybe it might not be the right time to go walk the camino. This is not a judgement thing at all, more of a concern. If one does not think they may be strong enough when it comes to falling into bad patterns or old unhelpful patterns, maybe some more time is needed to gain that strength and then reconsider the camino in the future.
Totally agree. I've witnessed someone fall off the wagon really badly and have to be taken home. The camino isn't the answer to everything.
 

Dilbin

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Irun to Santander del Norte
In fairness they did say the person was 29 years sober. And sobriety is often about where someone is in life at any given time. Are they emotionally, spiritually well at the time. For myself the Camino is like weeks of meditation while walking , meeting new people and socialising. Drinking is everywhere but hey your in Spain and the food is amazing. Personally the drinking is just not an issue and Im sober over 18yrs but thats just for myself. How it affects others is completely different but surely we have to fit in to the world we live in or whats the point. Already planning to hit the Mozarabe in march although I believe I'll be lucky to meet an other pilgrim on that route
 

Bradypus

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Staff member
Camino(s) past & future
Too many and too often!
Already planning to hit the Mozarabe in march although I believe I'll be lucky to meet
You might be surprised. I shared albergues with other pilgrims on several nights last February on the Mozarabe from Málaga to Merida. Not big numbers though.
 

Dilbin

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Irun to Santander del Norte
You might be surprised. I shared albergues with other pilgrims on several nights last February on the Mozarabe from Málaga to Merida. Not big numbers though.
That's good to hear. Thank you. Heading from Malaga myself.
 

LesBrass

Likes Walking
Camino(s) past & future
yes...
I am no longer able to drink alcohol... no addiction but I simply have a really unpleasant and rapid reaction (which started after pregnancy 22 years ago 😳)

I’ve never once felt pressured to have a drink... nor explain... I just say no thanks I can’t and it’s never questioned.
 

Undermanager

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Madrid (x2)
VDLP
Salvador
Primitivo
Finisterra / Muxia
Lana
No particular problem or reason, but decided to stop drinking all alcohol last year, to see if I could. After the first few nights out of jokes, friends get used to the idea of you not drinking. There's a lot more choice for alcohol free beers now as well. The first thing you notice when stopping is how much **** your mates talk when they've had a few! It's a cross between boring, loud, tedious at times, and sad to listen, too. Then you notice you start sleeping better and deeper. Each day, you wake up totally clear headed, so you find over time you do more of stuff you enjoy. You lose a bit of weight, and allegedly get other benefits. At home, I experiment with all kinds of non alcoholic mixes and tastes that are a lot of fun. After six months, I don't even think about having a drink now. Happy days. You certainly don't need to explain yourself for not drinking. On Caminos, lots of people drink only water or soft drinks when others around them are getting tanked after a day's walk. I've never heard anyone explaining why they aren't having a few, or heard anyone ask. Each to their own.
 
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