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The route through the larger towns

billmclaughlin

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SJPP/Burgos 2012; Le Puy/SJPP 2013; Aumont Aubrac/Aire sur l'Adour 2014; Burgos/Santiago 2016.
I have elsewhere suggested that it's a good idea to get off the official path in Spain. Otherwise one enjoys only a very narrow (pun-intended) experience of contemporary Spain. Examples that come to mind are Pamplona and Logrono. I made this same point to a Frenchman while walking the Le Puy route recently, and his view was that the same advice applies to France.

It's perfectly obvious that the official route skits the edges of Figeac and Cahors. But no one should rush past Figeac without at least a detour to the town center. Cahors, though I like it less, has interesting sections and if you don't pause to explore at least a bit you'll remember little more than a tough descent and a very tough ascent broken only by a few minutes along the river and one fantastic bridge. The cathedral is an interesting hodge-podge of styles (not for purists!). At the right time of day there's a good market. Add some hidden gardens, a wine bar, dining al fresco -- for the non-French a good taste of comparatively urban contemporary life.

But my French friend had a few other places in mind.

Condom. The route skirts the city center and its interesting cathedral, a good produce market, a few good spots for a beer, and a great photo op with D'Artagnan and the 3 Musketeers. (Compare it to Éauze, where the route takes you right into the central square alongside the cathedral, or the way we meander through Nasbinals.)

Decazeville. The official route avoids the center, leaving most hikers with a descent, a few dreary streets, and a long uphill. Instead, when you reach Ave Laromiguiere, go left and across the rotary into the Rue Gambetta to find an attractive commercial main street that gets nicer the further you explore. Nothing historic at all, but lots of stores and services.

Moissac. The entry route is dreary until you reach the commercial center, which is livelier, then there's the Abbey and the route continues behind the tourist office to the less than pleasant walk out on the busy street alongside the railroad tracks to the canal. But if you explore south of the abbey a few blocks, you find far more attractive streets including several excellent bakeries. (Once, 30 years ago, visiting Moissac by train as a tourist, I missed my train back to Toulouse and spent the 3 hours waiting for another train exploring. There are nicer neighborhoods along the water to the east, too.) The exit route in particular left some hikers without provisions for lunch, requiring a detour that went bad when they tried to return to the canal and found a bridge under construction. Some of us enjoyed terrific little pizzas from a Moissac boulangerie instead, the fruit of our wanderings the previous afternoon.

Are we missing something in Nogaro? Is there more to Aire sur l'Adour? I haven't explored every town, but my general advice is to get off the path from time to time and see what's happening.
 
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I'm really interested in these nooks in the towns. There is the instinct to bypass the suburban areas but if there is time you could see the "real" France, how ordinary people eat, shop, and hang out away from where we pilgrims and travellers sleep. (If of course, it doesn't through walkers out of "The Zone".)
 
In general, I found that:
1) The lodgings were seldom on the GR65 route
2) The grocery stores were never on the GR65, and to add insult to injury, they frequently wore camoflage as a Casino (apparently a regional chain).

Aire sur l'Adour has a lovely cathedral, where the local pilgrim association hosts a welcome/drink in the late afternoons. Not far from a 65-way pizza place. Don't tell me you missed the duck pizza! After all, we've had duck every other way under the sun by that point.
 
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Another example just occurred to me: Montcuq. The trail brings you downhill to the edge of the town center, and then suddenly hangs a left and you're quickly back in the woods. The town is worth exploring.
 
To me your post brings up an interesting consideration, Bill. That is, should we leave enough time in our scheduled days of walking to explore a little? For me, one of the downsides of a long day of walking is the tendency to make a beeline for the night's lodging, shower, wash the clothes, maybe have a beer, and then...chill with others at the gite awaiting dinner? All fine, of course, and what we feel like doing after a long day, tired as we are and happy to have arrived. But is there time or energy remaining to walk around a bit. In Conques, of course. But elsewhere?

The French group that I have hiked with has decided to cut the "mileage" down to twenty kilometers a day. Two reasons: first, to make the day a little bit easier for the less physically fit in the group; second, to allow more time at each destination...time that can be used to nose around the town, to explore a bit. I am looking forward to our twenty km days next year. For both reasons. :)
 
Ah yes! I like to slow down and meander a bit and in doing so explore the wonderful land I have the pleasure of walking across AND of course to meet the people of the land, see their villages and be grateful that the Good Lord has given me the ability to walk, talk and look. AND AND the pure pleasure of the pilgrimage itself - from solitude through to community.
 
The focus is on reducing the risk of failure through being well prepared. 2nd ed.
To me your post brings up an interesting consideration, Bill. That is, should we leave enough time in our scheduled days of walking to explore a little? For me, one of the downsides of a long day of walking is the tendency to make a beeline for the night's lodging, shower, wash the clothes, maybe have a beer, and then...chill with others at the gite awaiting dinner? All fine, of course, and what we feel like doing after a long day, tired as we are and happy to have arrived. But is there time or energy remaining to walk around a bit. In Conques, of course. But elsewhere?

The French group that I have hiked with has decided to cut the "mileage" down to twenty kilometers a day. Two reasons: first, to make the day a little bit easier for the less physically fit in the group; second, to allow more time at each destination...time that can be used to nose around the town, to explore a bit. I am looking forward to our twenty km days next year. For both reasons. :)
Bill,
I agree about cutting down the miles. Last year on the Camino 2 French sisters who had walked a lot pointed out the difference between "doing" a Camino and 'experiencing" a Camino. They were quite scathing about people who just raced through the villages and countryside. Having walked a bit I now agree with them and slowed down. The advice I was given is that 20km should be a maximum each day even though difficult to achieve so if one day is 22km next day aim for 18km! This came from a Spanish Canadian who was walked all the routes multiple times. I learnt the hard way to accept this as tendonitis forced me to stop and on resuming to walk more slowly.
Mark
 
I have elsewhere suggested that it's a good idea to get off the official path in Spain. Otherwise one enjoys only a very narrow (pun-intended) experience of contemporary Spain. Examples that come to mind are Pamplona and Logrono. I made this same point to a Frenchman while walking the Le Puy route recently, and his view was that the same advice applies to France.

It's perfectly obvious that the official route skits the edges of Figeac and Cahors. But no one should rush past Figeac without at least a detour to the town center. Cahors, though I like it less, has interesting sections and if you don't pause to explore at least a bit you'll remember little more than a tough descent and a very tough ascent broken only by a few minutes along the river and one fantastic bridge. The cathedral is an interesting hodge-podge of styles (not for purists!). At the right time of day there's a good market. Add some hidden gardens, a wine bar, dining al fresco -- for the non-French a good taste of comparatively urban contemporary life.

But my French friend had a few other places in mind.

Condom. The route skirts the city center and its interesting cathedral, a good produce market, a few good spots for a beer, and a great photo op with D'Artagnan and the 3 Musketeers. (Compare it to Éauze, where the route takes you right into the central square alongside the cathedral, or the way we meander through Nasbinals.)

Decazeville. The official route avoids the center, leaving most hikers with a descent, a few dreary streets, and a long uphill. Instead, when you reach Ave Laromiguiere, go left and across the rotary into the Rue Gambetta to find an attractive commercial main street that gets nicer the further you explore. Nothing historic at all, but lots of stores and services.

Moissac. The entry route is dreary until you reach the commercial center, which is livelier, then there's the Abbey and the route continues behind the tourist office to the less than pleasant walk out on the busy street alongside the railroad tracks to the canal. But if you explore south of the abbey a few blocks, you find far more attractive streets including several excellent bakeries. (Once, 30 years ago, visiting Moissac by train as a tourist, I missed my train back to Toulouse and spent the 3 hours waiting for another train exploring. There are nicer neighborhoods along the water to the east, too.) The exit route in particular left some hikers without provisions for lunch, requiring a detour that went bad when they tried to return to the canal and found a bridge under construction. Some of us enjoyed terrific little pizzas from a Moissac boulangerie instead, the fruit of our wanderings the previous afternoon.

Are we missing something in Nogaro? Is there more to Aire sur l'Adour? I haven't explored every town, but my general advice is to get off the path from time to time and see what's happening.
Figeac was a highlight for me, as was Cahors. Doesn't Figeac have two ancient cathedrals and a well maintained roman era center? And the coolest climb out of town after crossing that amazing bridge?
 
As I continue to think about this, it's not just the larger towns.

Consider Auvillar, population 1034. You come up the hill and see the town's 2 landmarks straight ahead. Everyone circles the covered market, perhaps pausing in its shade, and then proceeds along the chemin passing under the clocktower. So you've seen two memorable sights. At that point you can't miss the grocery store on the corner ahead nor the shady terrace of the hotel on your immediate right that may or may not be open. (It keeps traditional hours rather like those of a restaurant and fails to welcome the hikers who stream past throughout the day.) Now perhaps you've restocked some provisions. Perhaps you make purchases as well at the bakery that you pass a few yards further on as you continue out of town. Didn't you see Auvillar?

You missed the belvedere just off to the left from the covered market in a small park with a few tables. It's a great rest spot and the expansive view is worth the 1-minute detour. It's just set off at an angle so that it's possible that the 2 major landmarks make it unlikely you'll notice it. You missed the church, perhaps not distinctive enough to merit a 2-minute detour on its own, but it has a recently developed plaza in front that functions as small square amphitheater. Interesting if you like that sort of thing. Most of all, passing under the clocktower, if you hang a left and continue about 30 meters you'll find, set back from the street just out of view, a small cafe with outdoor tables, some shaded. It's just the sort of place we hikers stop in, but it's just out of sight. Small stuff perhaps, but that's kinda the point I'm making.

Incidentally, the Miam Miam Dodo app for iPhone is particularly bad for Auvillar: gets the route through town wrong, locates some businesses incorrectly, just omits others, etc.

Bill
 
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We find that between 15 and 20 km leaves us with plenty of energy to explore - and time to sit and enjoy. I loved every town and village on the Le Puy (ignoring Decazeville) Bill, what about St Come d'Olt and Espalion? Lovely places to explore. I didn't see any point in just walking through them. I can't walk past a church without at least a peek inside. When we stay in a town (for us that means most!) we always head for Les Halles first thing, even if it is just to have a coffee and croissant - every town seem to have one and they are often the first place open. A great place to watch the locals go about daily shopping. And if there is an open market setting up we always find a reason to linger - usually cheese but sometimes another local specialty product.
 
My average is 23km and I tend to take minimal breaks, making me one of the first to arrive en gîte. Almost always time to explore, though even as I write that I remind myself that every stage is different.

St Côme d'Olt is at the top of my "must explore" list. First time there I arrived by taxi (long story omitted), grabbed some pastries and headed out. Second time I arrived with a French trio who invited me to join them for lunch. Since it wasn't yet noon, we had two rounds of beers waiting for the kitchen to open, then the three-course prix fixe with wine. And hiked on! Definitely owe the town a full exploration and an overnight stay.

Another reason to return!
 
I walked from Le Puy to St Jean Pied de Port in June and really enjoyed the experience but I must agree with the above comments. I think I need to do at least part of it again more slowly, taking in the sights, the history, the hustle and bustle of every day life, the markets, the musical events... Next time I would like to be better prepared to savour all that this beautiful part of France has to offer.
 
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I am yet to receive my guide book in the mail so I am not familiar with the le Puy route. We like to only walk between 18 and 22 km a day and stay in private accommodation. Is this possible on this route or is the accommodation further apart? We like to set off early and arrive at our nights destination early in the afternoon, this gives us time to explore the villager and like Kanga, we like to poke our nose into every church we come across.
 
We like to only walk between 18 and 22 km a day and stay in private accommodation.
Yes this is possible - indeed it is the most common approach for walkers on the Le Puy. With your guidebook in hand, check the stages from previous walkers (see the Le Puy blogs section), and work out your general plan.
 
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I always take one for the three caminos for which it is available. I rarely stay at my schedule stops, but it lets me know if I am ahead of, or behind, the plan.
 

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