Toledo to Madrid

[LesBrass]

I'm in planning mode... dreaming of my next long walk. 2019 is in my sights and I have a few ideas (too many really) but I have so many questions.

Has anyone walked from the Camino Levante on to the Camino Madrid? My thinking is maybe to walk from Valencia to Toledo and then divert to the Madrid? But... does this jump mean I miss some of the best of the Levante? Is this a mad idea?

There are so many experts out there I'm sure someone will know

 

[KinkyOne]

I'm in planning mode... dreaming of my next long walk. 2019 is in my sights and I have a few ideas (too many really) but I have so many questions.

Has anyone walked from the Camino Levante on to the Camino Madrid? My thinking is maybe to walk from Valencia to Toledo and then divert to the Madrid? But... does this jump mean I miss some of the best of the Levante? Is this a mad idea?

There are so many experts out there I'm sure someone will know

Usually it's the other way around people changing from Madrid to Levante/Sureste. I haven't walked Toledo to Avila on Levante yet but I know that's the hillier part of the whole route to Zamora (not counting in Sanabres). That's what you will miss. And of course Avila.

As I know the closest Madrid and Levante get is between Villeguillo (Madrid) and Medina del Campo (Levante) - 30km if you go through Olmedo which is 20km from Villeguillo. I didn't find any AG roads that runs parallel to asphalt road and also because of time constraints it will be taxi for this 30km stretch.

What I would like to do someday is to walk part of the GR14 or Senda del Duero (http://www.lasendadelduero.com/rutas-por-el-duero/sendero-gr-14/) which connects Puente Duero (Madrid) with Tordesillas (Sureste) or even further to the west Castronuno (Levante) and Zamora (VdlP).

 

[peregrina2000]

Yes, if you do that you will miss those few but beautiful mountain days between Toledo and Avila. Since you are a hard core camino addict, @LesBrass, I see no need for you to cut and paste your caminos, just do the entire Levante it is wonderful. The Madrid is a good getaway for when you have a few weeks and can walk Madrid to Sahagún, since I know you have the luxury of popping down from France. I know, I know, you will "have" to repeat the Sanabrés from Zamora, but you could do the alternative from Zamora that goes via Braganza if you have a rule against repeats!

 

[LesBrass]

@KinkyOne thanks for the link! And for the information. @peregrina2000 I was just thinking exactly the same after reading Kinky's post... perhaps it wasn't a good idea was all I managed to think before reading your post... which makes perfect sense.

I'll go look up all of those suggestions now (on my new map) and start a new spreadsheet... I'm not complaining but there is a lot of choice isn't there

 

[LesBrass]

p.s. I do love the mountain days so would hate to miss them

 

[KinkyOne]

In 2016 my friend walked VdlP Portugues backwards on his way from Santiago and he was very pleased to take it. If he found the way to Zamora I guess it's even easier to find it in "the right" direction

 

[LesBrass]

I did love the Sanabres @KinkyOne , I'm guessing that the Portuguese variant is not too dissimilar? Back to that map

 

[KinkyOne]

I did love the Sanabres @KinkyOne , I'm guessing that the Portuguese variant is not too dissimilar? Back to that map

A bit less hilly if I remember correctly.

EDIT: @gracethepilgrim walked it and could give you first hand info.

 

[LesBrass]

ahah... myself and Grace and joked (dreamed) about maybe walking camino together one day... I will have to ask her!

 

[peregrina2000]

ahah... myself and Grace and joked (dreamed) about maybe walking camino together one day... I will have to ask her!

I may be confused but I think that @gracethepilgrim walked the caminho portugués interior and not the Braganza variant from Zamora.

 

[KinkyOne]

I may be confused but I think that @gracethepilgrim walked the caminho portugués interior and not the Braganza variant from Zamora.

According to her avatar she walked from Zamora: https://prnt.sc/ipv38u
I remember her posts about being lost several times.

But she walked CPI also.

 

[LesBrass]

She's certainly a well travelled pilgrim

 

[peregrina2000]

According to her avatar she walked from Zamora: https://prnt.sc/ipv38u
I remember her posts about being lost several times.

But she walked CPI also.

I knew you would know, Kinky.

 

[Kanga]

Last year on the Madrid I met a Canadian pilgrim (lovely guy) who had walked 17 caminos. He said he looked at Mundicamino and walked them in the order they appeared. Simple! I am so envious of those of you living in Europe.

 

[KinkyOne]

I knew you would know, Kinky.

Of course

 

[Camino Chrissy]

Last year on the Madrid I met a Canadian pilgrim (lovely guy) who had walked 17 caminos. He said he looked at Mundicamino and walked them in the order they appeared. Simple! I am so envious of those of you living in Europe.

Me, too, Kanga!

 

[ngm]

I'm in planning mode... dreaming of my next long walk. 2019 is in my sights and I have a few ideas (too many really) but I have so many questions.

Has anyone walked from the Camino Levante on to the Camino Madrid? My thinking is maybe to walk from Valencia to Toledo and then divert to the Madrid? But... does this jump mean I miss some of the best of the Levante? Is this a mad idea?

There are so many experts out there I'm sure someone will know

Hi ... this is not a bad Idea, even though, the way to Avila is ( hilly ) beautiful..and from Avíla even more beautiful. Me and my wife, made the Camino de Levante /Sureste from Avíla ( means we walked to Benavente not Zamora) and than to Astorga and .. on to Ponferrada, an' from Ponferrada on the Camino de Invierno ( 2014)..some amaizing 1250 k"m.

We also plan to start 2020 in Toledo ..and walk from Toledo to Madrid and on to Oviedo and from ther on the Primitivo..When we were in Toledo I noted that thers some path/a Camino system calls Camino de Gudalupe..

http://zinaztli.blogspot.com/2011/04/camino-real-de-guadalupe-madrid.html and

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We have got the adea from to man from Holland, that we met 2014 when we walked on the brigde to the old city of Toledo, (foto).. They ask us if we saw the waymarks to Madrid..and we speak for some minuts.. ...the second foto is from Avíla, wich you going to miss if you take on to Madrid..and the third on...from the way to Benavente....but i guess that this path is beautiful too..

 

[LesBrass]

@ngm thank you for the information... I'd forgotten about that thread. I've since decided to walk from Madrid to Santiago (as you are planning) as I only have 5 weeks holiday in 2019... The Levante is still very much on my wish list... but it's a very long wish list now!

Happy planning

 

[ChrisDor]

I'm in planning mode... dreaming of my next long walk. 2019 is in my sights and I have a few ideas (too many really) but I have so many questions.

Has anyone walked from the Camino Levante on to the Camino Madrid? My thinking is maybe to walk from Valencia to Toledo and then divert to the Madrid? But... does this jump mean I miss some of the best of the Levante? Is this a mad idea?

There are so many experts out there I'm sure someone will know

For Camino's in Spain see: http://u.osmfr.org/m/247056/ openstreet map of caminos in spain and portugal.

 

[LesBrass]

For Camino's in Spain see: http://u.osmfr.org/m/247056/ openstreet map of caminos in spain and portugal.

Oh WOW! @ChrisDor ... what have you done?! There are soooo many paths! thank you!

 

[David Tallan]

For Camino's in Spain see: http://u.osmfr.org/m/247056/ openstreet map of caminos in spain and portugal.

Is there a way to download this for use in an offline app like maps.me or Osmand?

 

[Pilger99]

OSMAnd has most of these Caminos already inside. Just switch to hiking view to see them.
What you don't see can be downloaded from u.osmfr.org and probabably from that dutch site that claims to have one gpx for all caminos in Spain.
I'm not sure if these tracks qualify for puting them in the OSM database, but if you bring your own GPS tracks it is a valid source. Adding some some simple data like albergues via Website is very easy for you and already helpful for others. Putting in an entire camino takes some time and should be done with additional tools.

For checks of OSM data (wether the way is included or not) I prefer to use https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org on a PC with a bigger monitor. If you want, all available routes can be downloaded as gpx.

 

[Madrood]

Not sure if there's any interest left in this thread, but it's kind of surprising that there isn't an extension of the CdM to Toledo; it was the medieval capital so I would have guessed that there would have been a traditional route from there to Santiago that moved away from the Avila route as Madrid became more prominent.

Looking at that map it seems like to go from Toledo to Madrid would mean first travelling west to Novés, then north to Madrid via Fuensalida. Looking at google maps though, there seems to be a plausible route ( a mix of dirt and road) going through Recas and Grinon, about 75km.