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Transport up and down the Pyrenees to SJPDP?

Unie

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, April 2019
#1
Folks, I plan on walking the CF in April 19, I have just turned 60 and have no intentions of breaking any speed or endurance records as I have all the time in the world to take myself on this walk.
I don’t want to walk all the way from SJPDP to Roncesvalles in one go and because I don’t want to be restricted to dates I’m unable to book Orisson...so my question is.......can I head off walking from St Jean and walk perhaps to Orisson or a bit further and get transport back, then transport back from St Jean to the same spot the next day and continue on. Thank you in advance.
 

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Camino Frances May 2015
Camino Frances July 2017
#2
Welcome Unie,

The vast majority of day one is walked along roads so I can't see it being a problem arranging for transport, the only issue would be communicating where you are if you didn't stop at a recognisable landmark like Orrison.

Another idea would be to take the Valcarlos route which may give you more accomodation options.

Buen Camino,

Rob.
 

Unie

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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, April 2019
#3
Welcome Unie,

The vast majority of day one is walked along roads so I can't see it being a problem arranging for transport, the only issue would be communicating where you are if you didn't stop at a recognisable landmark like Orrison.

Another idea would be to take the Valcarlos route which may give you more accomodation options.

Buen Camino,

Rob.
Thanks Rob, I hadn’t even considered the V route, I just had it in my head I was climbing up and over the Pyrenees. You have given me something to think about. Thanks so much. Una.
 

Ianinam

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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2013)
Hospitalera at Roncesvalles 2015/2016/2017/2018
Camino Portugues (Sept. 2018)
#4
The Valcarlos route does not mean you are not climbing! If you take the Valcarlos route you get the heaviest part of the climbing in the end, after Valcarlos. That climbing part is not along the road, it is on a path through the mountains so it will be difficult to be picked up by a taxi. Keep also in mind that you can not have telephone connection everywhere, you are in the mountains.

The Route Napoleon has the heaviest climbing in the beginning, so a night in Orisson is a great opportunity to make the walk the next day much easier.
 
#5
Last April, I was 67. I started my walk on the Napoleon route, without carrying the loaded backpack, at 7:30 in the morning, one step at a time, and reached the albergue around 5:30 in the afternoon meeting the folks who over-passed me along the climb.

PS: It took me 10 hour to reach the destination as I had to stop and puff every 10 steps while walking up Pyrenees. As such, I earned a nickname as "A snail on the trail".
 

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#7
because I don’t want to be restricted to dates I’m unable to book Orisson..
@Unie it is a little early to book with Orisson anyway yet - maybe in a few months you will have a definite start date? You don't need to restrict yourself to dates once you start, but you will probably have to decide at some point which day you will set off from St Jean. Then you could book for that night at Orisson if you want to. Unless you prefer to just see how you go on the day, in which case your idea of arranging transport back from Orisson if you have had enough by then sounds a good plan. I think it would be difficult to do so from a point further on than that, though, so the Valcarlos route could give you the opportunity to break the day into more even parts. You would not easily be able to call for transport between Valcarlos and Roncesvalles though.
 
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Let puy
#8
There is a company a few doors down from where you get your passport, same side of the street, that deliver luggage. If you call in to them the day before you walk they will pick you up at the bar in orrison at 14:30 and bring you back down and then bring you back up next morning at 8:30. Used it myself just a week ago and it worked well . Cost 8 euro each way but was worth it
 

Unie

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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, April 2019
#9
@Unie it is a little early to book with Orisson anyway yet - maybe in a few months you will have a definite start date? You don't need to restrict yourself to dates once you start, but you will probably have to decide at some point which day you will set off from St Jean. Then you could book for that night at Orisson if you want to. Unless you prefer to just see how you go on the day, in which case your idea of arranging transport back from Orisson if you have had enough by then sounds a good plan. I think it would be difficult to do so from a point further on than that, though, so the Valcarlos route could give you the opportunity to break the day into more even parts. You would not easily be able to call for transport between Valcarlos and Roncesvalles though.
Thanks for responding, I thought I had to book Orrison yonks in advance and I don’t want to do it all in one day to Ron. My plan is to take my time and to not overdo it especially not at the beginning. I’m travelling from Australia and may rail / train from Paris and meander my way to SJPDP so I don’t want a firm start date. I think I have some sort of restriction phobia since I turned 60! Thanks again
 

Unie

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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, April 2019
#10
The Valcarlos route does not mean you are not climbing! If you take the Valcarlos route you get the heaviest part of the climbing in the end, after Valcarlos. That climbing part is not along the road, it is on a path through the mountains so it will be difficult to be picked up by a taxi. Keep also in mind that you can not have telephone connection everywhere, you are in the mountains.

The Route Napoleon has the heaviest climbing in the beginning, so a night in Orisson is a great opportunity to make the walk the next day much easier.
Thanks Ianinam, that’s good info, much appreciated
 

Unie

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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, April 2019
#11
Last April, I was 67. I started my walk on the Napoleon route, without carrying the loaded backpack, at 7:30 in the morning, one step at a time, and reached the albergue around 5:30 in the afternoon meeting the folks who over-passed me along the climb.

PS: It took me 10 hour to reach the destination as I had to stop and puff every 10 steps while walking up Pyrenees. As such, I earned a nickname as "A snail on the trail".
Good on you, a snail gets there in the end, well done.
 

Unie

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Camino Frances, April 2019
#13
There is a company a few doors down from where you get your passport, same side of the street, that deliver luggage. If you call in to them the day before you walk they will pick you up at the bar in orrison at 14:30 and bring you back down and then bring you back up next morning at 8:30. Used it myself just a week ago and it worked well . Cost 8 euro each way but was worth it
Paul that is perfect and just what I want. I won’t have to worry about booking Orisson and I’ll use my day pack for the first day.
Much appreciated, thank you for the info.
 

Walking Lover

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CdS from Leon to Santiago, June 16, 2016 to June 30, 2016.
#14
Folks, I plan on walking the CF in April 19, I have just turned 60 and have no intentions of breaking any speed or endurance records as I have all the time in the world to take myself on this walk.
I don’t want to walk all the way from SJPDP to Roncesvalles in one go and because I don’t want to be restricted to dates I’m unable to book Orisson...so my question is.......can I head off walking from St Jean and walk perhaps to Orisson or a bit further and get transport back, then transport back from St Jean to the same spot the next day and continue on. Thank you in advance.
Yes. I met someone in June who had done just that.
 
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CF SJPdP to SdC
(May 2015)
CF Sarria to SdC
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VdlP (2020)
#15
Folks, I plan on walking the CF in April 19, I have just turned 60 and have no intentions of breaking any speed or endurance records as I have all the time in the world to take myself on this walk.
I don’t want to walk all the way from SJPDP to Roncesvalles in one go and because I don’t want to be restricted to dates I’m unable to book Orisson...so my question is.......can I head off walking from St Jean and walk perhaps to Orisson or a bit further and get transport back, then transport back from St Jean to the same spot the next day and continue on. Thank you in advance.
The simple answer is Yes.
This company. https://www.expressbourricot.com/persons-transport/
Scroll down the page on the link, and see Mountain Shuttle.
Either book online or see them when you get there. They now have an office just down from the Pilgrims office (same side of street)
 

davebugg

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Camino Frances...
Sept. 2017: SJPdP to Burgos
Sept./Oct. 2018: SJPdP to Santiago de Compostela
#16
Folks, I plan on walking the CF in April 19, I have just turned 60 and have no intentions of breaking any speed or endurance records as I have all the time in the world to take myself on this walk.
I don’t want to walk all the way from SJPDP to Roncesvalles in one go and because I don’t want to be restricted to dates I’m unable to book Orisson...so my question is.......can I head off walking from St Jean and walk perhaps to Orisson or a bit further and get transport back, then transport back from St Jean to the same spot the next day and continue on. Thank you in advance.
If using transport as a shuttle to take you back and forth to St Jean that first day and the next, a nice stopping point on Route Napoleon would be at the Virgen of Orisson. That gets you about halfway to Roncesvalles, and you will have walked about 12 kilometers. You will have covered the steepest part on that 1st day and then can return to get a good night's rest. The shuttle will return you the next day to the Virgen, and it will be a much easier day into Roncesvalles.

Because you can take a full day to cover that 12 kilometers, there is ample time to take a nice, easy pace, have plenty of rest breaks, enjoy a bocadillo at Orisson, and a good amount of time to enjoy the views and scenery.

 

jrunner02

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Camino(s) past & future
C.Frances, SJPDP to Santiago, May 2018
#17
Orisson overflow, aka Kayola, which is 1 km from Orisson is also an option... or maybe even some of the other albergues along the way before the steepest part of the climb are an option?
 

Lance Chambers

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Camino(s) past & future
Sarria (2015) SJPdP (2016) Burgos (2017) SJPdP (2018)
#18
If you look around the centre of this map of St Jean Pied de Port (see below) you will find, a blue, pin titled 'Beilari' this is a hostel and directly over the road is the Camino office where you can buy your Camino passport. They can offer you a lift to near the top of the Napolean Route and from there it's an easy walk to the top and then the steep descent into Roncesvalles if you want to avoid the walk up?

Or you could ask them if they would come and pick you up in the late afternoon to drive you back down to St Jean after you have walked up and to then drive you back up there the next day to finish your walking into Roncesvalles?

Beilari is a great hostel to stay in for your start on the Frances. They insist you be there for dinner as they have a meet and greet with all their walkers. I kept on meeting people from there on the Camino. It was lovely to meet 'friends' again and again.

Buen Camino Unie.

St Jean Pied de Port.jpg
 
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Unie

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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, April 2019
#20
If you look around the centre of this map of St Jean Pied de Port (see below) you will find, a blue, pin titled 'Beilari' this is a hostel and directly over the road is the Camino office where you can buy your Camino passport. They can offer you a lift to near the top of the Napolean Route and from there it's an easy walk to the top and then the steep descent into Roncesvalles if you want to avoid the walk up?

Or you could ask them if they would come and pick you up in the late afternoon to drive you back down to St Jean after you have walked up and to then drive you back up there the next day to finish your walking into Roncesvalles?

Beilari is a great hostel to stay in for your start on the Frances. They insist you be there for dinner as they have a meet and greet with all their walkers. I kept on meeting people from there on the Camino. It was lovely to meet 'friends' again and again.

Buen Camino Unie.

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If using transport as a shuttle to take you back and forth to St Jean that first day and the next, a nice stopping point on Route Napoleon would be at the Virgen of Orisson. That gets you about halfway to Roncesvalles, and you will have walked about 12 kilometers. You will have covered the steepest part on that 1st day and then can return to get a good night's rest. The shuttle will return you the next day to the Virgen, and it will be a much easier day into Roncesvalles.

Because you can take a full day to cover that 12 kilometers, there is ample time to take a nice, easy pace, have plenty of rest breaks, enjoy a bocadillo at Orisson, and a good amount of time to enjoy the views and scenery.

Thanks davebugg, this info is greatly appreciated.
 

Unie

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, April 2019
#21
If you look around the centre of this map of St Jean Pied de Port (see below) you will find, a blue, pin titled 'Beilari' this is a hostel and directly over the road is the Camino office where you can buy your Camino passport. They can offer you a lift to near the top of the Napolean Route and from there it's an easy walk to the top and then the steep descent into Roncesvalles if you want to avoid the walk up?

Or you could ask them if they would come and pick you up in the late afternoon to drive you back down to St Jean after you have walked up and to then drive you back up there the next day to finish your walking into Roncesvalles?

Beilari is a great hostel to stay in for your start on the Frances. They insist you be there for dinner as they have a meet and greet with all their walkers. I kept on meeting people from there on the Camino. It was lovely to meet 'friends' again and again.

Buen Camino Unie.

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Thanks Lance, I do want to walk it all but want to break it up. I’m now armed with great info from you amazing folk here and I feel very positive. I’d hate for my Camino to finish early because of over doing it in the early stages.
 

Unie

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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, April 2019
#23
You might be able to persuade a taxi driver to either take you down or bring you up the other road beside the one you walked up. Then you could see a bit of the Camino between SJPdP and Valcarlos.
Thanks Rick, I think the Express Bourricot service is just what I want.
 

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