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Via Francigena KMZ files for Google Earth (Besancon-Rome)

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kiwiDavid

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Just started planning for the Via Francigena for next year (mid June on) - Besancon to Rome.
Have tweaked a few GPX files from the Via Francigena Official site so they can be opened in Google earth (they will leave a red line overlay outlining the Official route on to Google Earth).
First download files - then Open Google Earth - go to My Places - Import KML file - import the KMZ file - will open in Google Earth as red line showing official route.Each section can be switched on and off with the eye in My Places.
Have only uploaded the Swiss leg as there is a 10 file limit on the Forum but if there is a positive response will upload the rest.
An interesting contrast to the official route is shown when you also load the GPX waypoints from the Lightfoot guides.
In some areas large loops are cut out by following the Lightfoot waypoints (not necessary better but definitely shorter and another option available).
Listening to one of the Lightfoot authors recently on a Podcast he estimated that the Lightfoot guide cut 15 days from the Official route.I'm sure both options have their own merits.
If the Everything tag is on in the Map Style option of Google Earth it will also show accommodation,etc and can be switched to Google Maps by tapping on the icon that is on the screen (hotels/restaurants) - if tapped again when the icon expands to a picture Google Maps for the area will appear below - and can then be opened - make sure you don't have Google Maps turned to WIFI only or it won't open.
Buen Camino / Ultreia
kiwiDave
NB:Using on Android mobile phone.
 

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Kat Kostrzewska

Online guide https://caminodesantiagobybike.co.uk
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Camino Frances (2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2018), Via Tolosana (2012) Camino Norte (2014)
Bonjour David! I believe that you have done your research on the route. What is the best month to do Via Francigena? In June there is still snow on Great St Bernard Pass. July, August, September then?
 

Harington

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Vézelay/Francés 2011, Primitivo 2012, VdlP 2013, Via Domitia 2014, Inglés 2015, Francigena 2016
Bonjour David! I believe that you have done your research on the route. What is the best month to do Via Francigena? In June there is still snow on Great St Bernard Pass. July, August, September then?
The Great St Bernard Pass is generally clear (the road up the last bit) from early/mid-June onwards. I crossed 12 June (not this year). The Hospice will tell you if you can get up on the path, or if you have to do the last couple of km on the road.
 

Kat Kostrzewska

Online guide https://caminodesantiagobybike.co.uk
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2018), Via Tolosana (2012) Camino Norte (2014)
Harrington thank you. You have already done Francigena. You did many other routes - impressive list by the way. How would you sum up this particular trail and what would you advise a person who thinks about doing it?
 

kiwiDavid

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Bonjour David! I believe that you have done your research on the route. What is the best month to do Via Francigena? In June there is still snow on Great St Bernard Pass. July, August, September then?
Hi Kat - I would defer to Harrington's answer as I am still in the planning stage and haven't walked the route yet.It was great to see he thought June was doable as I am looking at around mid to late June for the pass.
The problem with that timing is of course that you will hit the heat further along on the way to Rome when it's around July/August - apparently it has been very hot the last few years.
 

kiwiDavid

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Camino Frances 2012 - SJPP-Finisterre
Gran San Barnard - Vercelli KMZ files.
See first post.
Will open in Google Earth - if downloaded to mobile phone best saved to My Places (Google Earth).
 

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kiwiDavid

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San Campagnano - Roma KMZ files.
If you're keen for a detailed look at the route have a look at Efren Gonzalez website (the Drone guy) on his Via Francigena which he commenced in July (? last year or the year before - not sure).
He originally posted 1 minute video blogs but is currently expanding and posting 5-10 minute detailed blogs with costings and routes on Google Earth/Maps.He is up to mid France at this stage I believe.
His account is Numero Uno and does encompass the whole route - the drone shots give a different perspective which you wouldn't normally see and he shows you his real day to day experience including the things that didn't work out so well.
A great resource for all of us Efren - thank you.
 

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timr

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Kat Kostrzewska

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Camino Frances (2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2018), Via Tolosana (2012) Camino Norte (2014)
Fantastic post timr. Thank you SO much. That explains a lot.

I hiked Great St Bernard a few years ago in the summertime. Alps, cows grazing in the valleys, hospice with a chapel, St Bernard of Menthon, no snow....But life is no perfect so I got altitude sickness. For the first time in my life.

So kiwiDavid I don't know about you but I prefer sunbathing on the way to Rome to building a snowman on Great St Bernard Pass.
 

timr

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Fantastic post timr. Thank you SO much. That explains a lot.

I hiked Great St Bernard a few years ago in the summertime. Alps, cows grazing in the valleys, hospice with a chapel, St Bernard of Menthon, no snow....But life is no perfect so I got altitude sickness. For the first time in my life.

So kiwiDavid I don't know about you but I prefer sunbathing on the way to Rome to building a snowman on Great St Bernard Pass.
Haha yes. The first time I attempted to cross, I took a careful record of the place where I turned around and came back, having sunk up to my knees in snow. It was quite surreal to come back six weeks later and find two young people sunbathing at exactly the same spot!
 
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Kat Kostrzewska

Online guide https://caminodesantiagobybike.co.uk
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Camino Frances (2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2018), Via Tolosana (2012) Camino Norte (2014)
timr how much did you spend a day for an accommodation? Is Via Francigena very expensive?
 

timr

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Several and counting...
timr how much did you spend a day for an accommodation? Is Via Francigena very expensive?
Hi Kat, hard to answer, as I didn't keep detailed accounts. I just did it! 🤭
But I was trying to do it on low budget. And on grounds of age I had decided not to camp. I stayed in pilgrim accommodation when it was available, and there is more than initially you would imagine. Lists on here
and a good bit of word of mouth along the way.
I tend never to plan very much, nor book ahead.
In France, I stayed in gites, and small hotels (booking.com) and presbyteries and monasteries, and town halls and private houses with families. I would rate that as more expensive than Camino in Spain but not too much.
Switzerland is frighteningly expensive. I stayed with friends for a couple of days, in youth hostel, and pilgrim accommodation in St Maurice, Martigny, Orsieres and at GSB. I came through Romain-Motier after crossing the border where there is also pilgrim accommodation in the monastery (which is now a parish church) although I didn't stay there myself - I stayed in a rented gite with 13 other pilgrims I had met along the way.
In Italy it is much more like Camino in Spain with a lot of donativeo parish accommodation.
All in all, I would say more expensive than Camino on any route in Spain, but not outrageous. Maybe €30-40/day all over, (food and accommodation). (I may be being a bit optimistic.)
I have a very incomplete blog on walkingtim.com. I would set out again today if I could!
In fact, I continued on VFdel Sud to Brindisi later last year, and then this year from Bari to Thessaloniki and I hope to continue on to Jerusalem when time permits.
 
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Harington

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Vézelay/Francés 2011, Primitivo 2012, VdlP 2013, Via Domitia 2014, Inglés 2015, Francigena 2016
Harrington thank you. You have already done Francigena. You did many other routes - impressive list by the way. How would you sum up this particular trail and what would you advise a person who thinks about doing it?
It's very much a trail of two halves (with a Swiss sandwich in between). I particularly loved the French part, but it can be solitary, and pilgrim infrastructure (though increasing year on year) is still quite sparse. Rural France is depopulated and depressed, and you will find cafés, restaurants, shops, bakeries now closed). But it was a great experience, particularly the World War I sites which were moving in the extreme. Way marking is improving. Switzerland is well way marked but expensive, very expensive. As you progress down through Italy more and more pilgrims will join the trail, and Tuscany is popular, too popular (for my solitary taste). Good pilgrim infrastructure in Italy, and hard to get lost. I suggest you check out the website of the Confraternity of Pilgrims to Rome (www.pilgrimstorome.org.uk), which has accommodation lists, FAQs, etc etc.

Please, everyone, look at my avatar. Harington has one 'r', not two.
 

Kat Kostrzewska

Online guide https://caminodesantiagobybike.co.uk
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Camino Frances (2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2018), Via Tolosana (2012) Camino Norte (2014)
It is not very cheap, but surely manageable. timr St James' pilgrim has shell, so I wonder what sign carries pilgrim who plans to pay a visit to Saint Peter in Rome?
 

Kat Kostrzewska

Online guide https://caminodesantiagobybike.co.uk
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2018), Via Tolosana (2012) Camino Norte (2014)
Of course keys to Heavenly Jerusalem...
 

kiwiDavid

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So @kiwiDavid I don't know about you but I prefer sunbathing on the way to Rome to building a snowman on Great St Bernard Pass.

Absolutely Kat - I have to agree (I'm a summer person) - after reading timr's fantastic post on crossing the Pass it makes me think picking the month/season to walk over is crucial (as he said - "timing is important !").
It was interesting hearing on your own post that you had great weather but experienced some altitude sickness - haven't heard or thought about that aspect and will have to find out a bit more about it.

I saw on your other post your enquiry about costs -
"how much did you spend a day for accommodation? Is Via Francigena very expensive?"
Efren Gonzalez has a website giving a daily breakdown of all his expenses on the Via Francigena from Canterbury - unfortunately his more comprehensive daily blog is only up to Rhiems so far.
 

Kat Kostrzewska

Online guide https://caminodesantiagobybike.co.uk
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2018), Via Tolosana (2012) Camino Norte (2014)
Altitude sickness was all my fault:) I was spending holiday by Geneva Lake and decided to hike Great St Bernard Pass. So I started my day at an elevation of 500m and by 3 o'clock I was at an elevation of 2500m. I felt terrible and I didn't know what was happening. Even delicious liqueur made in monastery didn't make me feel any better;) We took a bus and as soon as we got to Martigny I was ok again. So kiwiDavid maybe check the symptoms just in case, because you never know… I hiked the mountains for years and it had never happened to me before.
 

kiwiDavid

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Camino Frances 2012 - SJPP-Finisterre
Wow - 2000m up - that's like an elevator - I can see the problem.
I did have a look at the symptoms etc and rapid elevation increase can be a problem apparently.
Will have to look into the "delicious liqueur" you mentioned as well - sounds intriguing !
 

Kat Kostrzewska

Online guide https://caminodesantiagobybike.co.uk
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2018), Via Tolosana (2012) Camino Norte (2014)
Delicious liqueur is luscious. I believe that it was made with cold winter in mind however it perfectly worked in the summertime. I wonder if timr had it as well...
 

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