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there are currently no ferries taking foot passengers from dover to calais. pilgrims plan ahead! you will need to go in a car or lorry or maybe a bicycle but you cannot go on foot. Unfortunately, after getting your stamp at dover ypu will need to travel back to st pancras and take the Eurostar from st pancras to lille and then a train lille to calais. this is the best/only option. not a cheap exercise. you can then get stamp at calais church to start stage 3. Ahhhhh!!!!!!
 
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there are currently no ferries taking foot passengers from dover to calais. pilgrims plan ahead! you will need to go in a car or lorry or maybe a bicycle but you cannot go on foot. Unfortunately, after getting your stamp at dover ypu will need to travel back to st pancras and take the Eurostar from st pancras to lille and then a train lille to calais. this is the best/only option. not a cheap exercise. you can then get stamp at calais church to start stage 3. Ahhhhh!!!!!!
What a shame! Catching the ferry was such an enjoyable part of the VF experience. It really feels like a special departure standing on deck, watching a shoreline recede then disappear & a new one materialise...you know you're on your way!

Unless it's particularly important to someone, in the current circumstances I wouldn't bother with the Canterbury (assuming that as a starting point) to Dover leg...just proceed directly to Calais...a lot less hassle & expense. Of course I certainly understand it may leave you feeling 'incomplete'. As for stamps, it's not necessary to have one from Dover (again, except for personal desire). On arrival in Rome, my credencials were barely glanced at before my certificate was issued!
Happy trails...trust the awkward start will just become part of the overall journey rather than a pebble in your shoe.
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What a shame! Catching the ferry was such an enjoyable part of the VF experience. It really feels like a special departure standing on deck, watching a shoreline recede then disappear & a new one materialise...you know you're on your way!

Unless it's particularly important to you, in the current circumstances I wouldn't bother with the Canterbury (assuming that as a starting point) to Dover leg...just proceed directly to Calais...a lot less hassle & expense. Of course I certainly understand it may leave you feeling 'incomplete'. As for stamps, it's not necessary to have one from Dover (again, except for personal desire). On arrival in Rome, my credencials were barely glanced at before my certificate was issued!
Happy trails...trust the awkward start will just become part of the overall journey rather than a pebble in your shoe.
👣 🌏
i walked Canterbury to Dover yesterday. i hope to be in Calais in the morning. it’s a small setback in the scheme of things. one step at a time.
 
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it was important to me to start from Canterbury. My journey would forever be incomplete otherwise.
Yes, totally understand that...going back & doing it later just isn't the same either, especially being from Aus, it's not really a feasible option!
I actually started in London & can't imagine not walking the English leg. Of course reading of your experience, I'm even more thankful for crossing the Channel by ship in 2019...& for being able to finish my long journey before the world changed.
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Yes, totally understand that...going back & doing it later just isn't the same either, especially being from Aus, it's not really a feasible option!
I actually started in London & can't imagine not walking the English leg. Of course reading of your experience, I'm even more thankful for crossing the Channel by ship in 2019...& for being able to finish my long journey before the world changed.
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on the good side i have done the ferry crossing a few times and have had the experience. always sick as a dog. lol.
 
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there are currently no ferries taking foot passengers from dover to calais. pilgrims plan ahead! you will need to go in a car or lorry or maybe a bicycle but you cannot go on foot. Unfortunately, after getting your stamp at dover ypu will need to travel back to st pancras and take the Eurostar from st pancras to lille and then a train lille to calais. this is the best/only option. not a cheap exercise. you can then get stamp at calais church to start stage 3. Ahhhhh!!!!!!
Hello @WayneG

Yes, it is a real nuisance and a huge disappointment after the restoration of ferry for foot passengers only a few weeks ago after more than a year off.

You can see a mention of it in recent CPR newsletter [which I edit]. But the situation of course is subject to change.

No other carriers at Dover take foot passengers. Irish Ferries told me a while back they are not taking foot passengers 'yet'. Whatever that means.

DFDS (and P&O last year) will bring you with a bike and a surprising number of people have used this option starting last summer, disposing of the bike in Calais. We hope people might donate it to a refugee charity. People have found it not too difficult to pick up a cheap bike in Dover - for example through FB. But it is a bit hit and miss I suppose.

You can travel from Newhaven to Dieppe as a foot passenger but it is inconvenient at each end.

You cannot hitch through the tunnel and the bus situation is not easy.

We would all be VERY interested to hear from people who have had success with blablacar.com - it is difficult because you cannot in the nature of it book ahead much.

Even if P&O get going again, which does not seem imminent, there is no guarantee they will provide for foot passengers again, though we can hope. I think the reason that the operators are not keen on foot passengers is that it requires provision of a bus and staff to carry (rather few) foot passengers through the French and English customs and immigration which are all at Dover and then on to the ferry. On a bike you can do it yourself. On the other hand, while P&O stopped taking foot passengers during the pandemic times, they DID restore the service when it became practicable again.

I think the phrase is - we have hope but not optimism.

it’s a small setback in the scheme of things. one step at a time.

I do like your attitude!

Bon chemin and Buon Cammino. Let us know how you get on.

Tim
 
Irish Ferries seems to have a small degree of availability :

Yes that pops up from time to time, but when you go to book - I have just tried a random date for foot/bicycle - there is 'no availability. From 25 April-1 May.
I think sadly that the website is misleading.
I spoke to them on the phone a while back and they say they are not bringing foot passengers but might in future. I have to say they were very friendly on the phone. :)
 
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Looks like DFDS and a bike for me … I plan to purchase a bike and hopefully have it delivered to the hotel I am staying at in Dover …
Good luck @Thomas Yingst Those who have done it in the past year have not had any problems and it has worked well!!

As many have pointed out - pilgrims are resourceful and (can) embrace difficulties! 😇
 
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DFDS (and P&O last year) will bring you with a bike and a surprising number of people have used this option starting last summer, disposing of the bike in Calais. We hope people might donate it to a refugee charity. People have found it not too difficult to pick up a cheap bike in Dover - for example through FB. But it is a bit hit and miss I suppose.
Thanks as always for your great info. While on the one hand it's good to see resourceful pilgrims finding a workaround with a bike as you described, on the other hand, the whole thing is ridiculous and a sad situation for pilgrims. It just doesn't make any sense to not allow a foot passenger but to allow that passenger if they carry a bike that they purchased the day before solely for the purpose of getting on the ferry!

I see and appreciate that you are in contact with the ferry companies in the hope of rectifying this, but is there a way to coordinate a greater effort from pilgrim associations or any other stakeholders to ask the ferry companies to allow pilgrims on foot?
 
Thanks as always for your great info. While on the one hand it's good to see resourceful pilgrims finding a workaround with a bike as you described, on the other hand, the whole thing is ridiculous and a sad situation for pilgrims. It just doesn't make any sense to not allow a foot passenger but to allow that passenger if they carry a bike that they purchased the day before solely for the purpose of getting on the ferry!

I see and appreciate that you are in contact with the ferry companies in the hope of rectifying this, but is there a way to coordinate a greater effort from pilgrim associations or any other stakeholders to ask the ferry companies to allow pilgrims on foot?
The sad irony is that we spent the past 18months, when P&O had suspended foot passengers "due to Covid"(?), lobbying them and speaking to other stakeholders in Dover. And finally in February they restored the service. (I'm not implying we take the credit for that.😉)

The problem now is different. Since 17 March or thereabouts P&O have been suspended over a labour dispute and "safety issues". This is not the place to discuss the somewhat murky background of that.

They announced they would be back for the Easter weekend but that didn't happen. In theory, when they come back they might well start carrying foot passengers again - they have invested in the infrastructure (a bus and a driver and a check-in person). But really that's not certain. Nor is it clear when they will return.

@POferriesupdate on Twitter
 
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It just doesn't make any sense to not allow a foot passenger but to allow that passenger if they carry a bike that they purchased the day before solely for the purpose of getting on the ferry!
I'm not here to defend the ferry operators! 😁 But I can see why they are not over anxious to deal with foot passengers.
From the entrance to the port to the back end of the ship is a good distance - probably more than a kilometre. And you are on a road. So people walking and pushing buggies etc would not be considered safe. And I guess maybe a security issue. And you have to clear English and French customs and immigration. And have your bags scanned. So they have to provide a bus and staff it. On a bike you are literally self-propelled. And can take your chances boarding the boat through the car deck. The bus takes you on that way and drops you. You wouldn't be allowed to walk on and off that way. (Unlike the ferry from Bari to Dürres!😁😁)
None of it is impossible but you can imagine it is unattractive for another company to set it up for rather few passengers.
Is a pity there is not a cross channel bus service where you could board in Dover and alight in Calais. But there isn't.
There's a bus service from London to Paris but it goes from Folkestone and uses the train.

P&O is our still our best short term hope.

Hope you are both well.

Tim
 
The sad irony is that we spent the past 18months, when P&O had suspended foot passengers "due to Covid"(?), lobbying them and speaking to other stakeholders in Dover. And finally in February they restored the service. (I'm not implying we take the credit for that.😉)

The problem now is different. Since 17 March or thereabouts P&O have been suspended over a labour dispute and "safety issues". This is not the place to discuss the somewhat murky background of that.

They announced they would be back for the Easter weekend but that didn't happen. In theory, when they come back they might well start carrying foot passengers again - they have invested in the infrastructure (a bus and a driver and a check-in person). But really that's not certain. Nor is it clear when they will return.

@POferriesupdate on Twitter
Hopefully the slack will be taken up by other ferries rather than P&O and the situation gradually improves.
Having travelled by P&O in the past I will not be doing so in the future.
 
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But I can see why they are not over anxious to deal with foot passengers.

Or some cyclists.

When I crossed (plus velo) in 2019 to start the VF, there were a couple of cyclists in front of me. We travelled to the appropriate office using the marked lane, paid for our ticket, and then were given instructions on which lane to use some 1/4 mile away.

One of the cyclists, for some unknown reason, decided to try a short cut going across lanes where 38 tonners were passing. It set off an alarm so all lanes were stopped while the cyclists was "retrieved" by port staff. Dover is a very big place for an individual to wander about on foot or on a bike.

So if you do try plus velo, stick to the marked lanes and the instructions.
 
About 10 days ago I was e-mailing back and forth with P&O and learned that the situation there is in fact about labor "issues" as well as safety "issues" (As stated above). According to the person I was communicating with there is no movement in talks or resolution on the horizon.
 
About 10 days ago I was e-mailing back and forth with P&O and learned that the situation there is in fact about labor "issues" as well as safety "issues" (As stated above). According to the person I was communicating with there is no movement in talks or resolution on the horizon.
This is an issue that it would be worth keeping abreast of concerning P&O ferries.
On 17th March over 800 employees were made redundant by virtue of a three minute video message. This was every UK employee. They were informed they were to be replaced by non-UK agency staff on far less favourable contracts.

There was no warning..no consultation..no offer of alternative employment. This was irrespective of experience, loyalty or customer service.
The safety issue is as a result of this action as staff would need to be retrained and in many instances this is falling short
The ramifications of this action are spread far and wide and bring into question many moral as well as legislative issues regarding this company.
On a personal level I will not be using this company for travel purposes in future.
 
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The focus is on reducing the risk of failure through being well prepared. 2nd ed.
Just something to add to the topic.
"If" there was a labor/wage agreement tomorrow, there would still be no service for sometime due to the fact that some/many (?) of the ships were found to be in unsafe operating condition and subject to repair to meet governmental standards before resuming operations.
 
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Just something to add to the topic.
"If" there was a labor/wage agreement tomorrow, there would still be no service for sometime due to the fact that some/many (?) of the ships were found to be in unsafe operating condition and subject to repair to meet governmental standards before resuming operations.
I would be very wary of sailings on a regular basis any time soon.
 
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Just an update to this. According to the Via Francigena Facebook page, P & O are now offering tickets for foot passengers. No bike needed.

Just checked the P & O booking page and indeed there are tickets @ £30 on offer.


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Just an update to this. According to the Via Francigena Facebook page, P & O are now offering tickets for foot passengers. No bike needed.

Just checked the P & O booking page and indeed there are tickets @ £30 on offer.


Change to thread title needed?
but they are not running
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
but they are not running

Here's one running right now


You can phone as @WayneG says or you can check Marine Traffic
 
Here's one running right now


You can phone as @WayneG says or you can check Marine Traffic
great news if they’re back on. buen camino
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
Here's one running right now
She is sailing right now but without bicycles and foot passengers. Also without cars and their drivers and passengers.

This had been announced earlier when they started to operate out of Dover again on the 27th of April (Spirit of Britain will be operating in a freight only mode. P&O will not accept livestock, hazardous goods, plug-in or any other specialist cargo) and confirmed a few minutes ago on Twitter for today:

@POferriesupdate​
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#PODover #POCalais: Our passenger service remain suspended today, however we have secured space with DFDS. Please call us on 01304 44 88 88 and we will rebook you. Alternatively, if you do not wish to travel, please email help@poferries.com and we will process a refund for you.​

I am not a Francigena pilgrim and I don't envy you. I am determined not to privilege P&O in the near future and will prefer to go via Dunkirk and Dieppe with DFDS instead. As I've done already numerous times in the past, btw.
 
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The twitter feed is the most up to date information I think.

So today, Monday 2 May, they are still saying:

#PODover #POCalais: Our passenger service remain suspended today, however we have secured space with DFDS. Please call us on 01304 44 88 88 and we will rebook you. Alternatively, if you do not wish to travel, please email help@poferries.com and we will process a refund for you,
 
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Out of curiosity and to check for any updates on the P&O labor issues, I did a Google search which brought up a BBC news article that told of one ferry which is currently operating and accomodating foot passengers out of Dover to Calais. This is good news!
This news article provided a link to book a foot passenger ticket, so I clicked on it and filled out all of the appropriate required boxes until the payment box requesting a credit card.
Having gotten to that point of the booking process I believe the information to be accurate, which is a 180 degree cange from just a few weeks ago when I was Emailing back and forth with their administration offices and was told at that time they were not accepting foot passengers. (Let's cross our fingers and pray the labor dispute gets resolved, they bring back their skilled workers and we can move forward in life).
 
Out of curiosity and to check for any updates on the P&O labor issues, I did a Google search which brought up a BBC news article that told of one ferry which is currently operating and accomodating foot passengers out of Dover to Calais. This is good news!
This news article provided a link to book a foot passenger ticket, so I clicked on it and filled out all of the appropriate required boxes until the payment box requesting a credit card.
Having gotten to that point of the booking process I believe the information to be accurate, which is a 180 degree cange from just a few weeks ago when I was Emailing back and forth with their administration offices and was told at that time they were not accepting foot passengers. (Let's cross our fingers and pray the labor dispute gets resolved, they bring back their skilled workers and we can move forward in life).
I read this article a few days ago but saw it didn't specifically mention foot passengers so didn't post. I saw the term "tourist passengers" but assumed that referred and included car passengers being a ROLO ferry (Roll on/Roll off). I couldn't see that it shouldn't have included foot passengers but held off until it specifically stated so.
It is still a very much reduced service.
 
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