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What's Old is New Again! "Ruta De Los Asturianos O Del Regañón" Trail to Santo Toribio

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Camino(s) past & future
Jul-Sept 2019: Ruta Asturianos Lebaniego / Apr 2018 Asturias / May 2016 CP: Portuguese
After much soul searching as to which Camino to take during our six weeks in Spain, it has become a passionate hope that we will re-trailblaze this seemingly forgotten, route. A few weeks ago, I made my first Wikiloc map for the Norte coastal portion of walking this route, exactly as it is depicted on the back of the Santo Toribio De Liébana Credential del Peregrino. We'll go for a slower paced walk of 10-15km a day. Since I'm really new at this form of map making please feel free to make helpful suggestions because, I still have to make maps for the rest of the trail. ;)

my map.....

back of the credential...

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Dave

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Camino(s) past & future
First: Camino Francés 2002; most recent: Via Podiensis 2015
I love the idea, T! It would be fantastic to be able to make the Lebaniego connect back to the Norte without fully backtracking. It's too bad that this is largely restricted to the highway--I fear that it won't be the most enjoyable of walks for you. This is the challenge often of trying to recover historic routes; over time, those historic routes became modern highways!

I was curious if there was a way to do it without the roads. I don't see many options if you want to closely follow that itinerary. Trails might exist, but they don't show up on any of the map types that I have access to. It is possible, though, to follow an offroad approach through the hills that is almost entirely free of pavement. Here's a snapshot:

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This would be a much more rugged walk. The software says it's about 19km, but it doesn't always calculate distance in hills as accurately as one would like. Most of the tracks seem to be old dirt roads, but there are some footpaths as well, and those can be in highly varied states. Very little opportunities for water/supplies on this approach. The only places that really show up are Santa Eulalia (hotel La Casa del Jardín) and Alevia near the end (Hotel Casona d'Alevia). I don't think this is what you're looking for, but thought I'd share!
 
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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, 2015
When interested in trails I don't bother with Google Maps which doesn't show them. I use the OSMand and Maps.me apps which do. You might be able to find obscure routes using these. They both use the Open Street Map database. OSMand shows more detail though. If you want to view a wikiloc track on top of the basic map OSMand can show GPX formatted tracks and maps.me can show KML and KMZ formats.
 

Dave

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Camino(s) past & future
First: Camino Francés 2002; most recent: Via Podiensis 2015
Yep, I use some of those and then additional "Outdoors" maps that include a lot more dirt roads and footpaths. Satellite, too, sometimes adds a useful layer. OSM is a nice start, but much less helpful for unpaved stuff.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, 2015
OSM is a nice start, but much less helpful for unpaved stuff.
I find it terrific for trails but I have to admit I've only used it at home, not in Europe. It does rely on people submitting the data so it could be sparse in Spain. I've noticed that it is sparser on trail data in the American south than in the New England area.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Jul-Sept 2019: Ruta Asturianos Lebaniego / Apr 2018 Asturias / May 2016 CP: Portuguese
Thank you's, @Dave and @Rick of Rick and Peg!

...This is the challenge often of trying to recover historic routes; over time, those historic routes became modern highways! I was curious if there was a way to do it without the roads. I don't see many options if you want to closely follow that itinerary. Trails might exist, but they don't show up on any of the map types that I have access to...
Dave, from what I see on that Coastal portion (Llanes to Colombres), you certainly appear to be spot on regarding highway! I'm just trying to keep the pueblo's the same as they are on the Credencial map. The rest of the trail/s (Panes to STL) are frequently foot trails...of which I've found many variables in Wikiloc because, I always use Satellite view when creating.

Is "outdoors", this? > https://www.outdoors.com

Rick o'R&P OOOOH...Maps.me looks interesting!

Is OSM, this? > https://www.openstreetmap.org

Finished another map yesterday and hope to complete one more, tomorrow. If interested you can see them through my Wikiloc link above. It's kind of exciting to see what new adventures lie ahead. 😁
 

Dave

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Camino(s) past & future
First: Camino Francés 2002; most recent: Via Podiensis 2015
The "outdoors" map tiles that I use come from Thunder Forest: https://www.thunderforest.com/maps/outdoors/

I have to port them into a GPX track editor. Then, it's possible to shift between those, OSM (yep, that's the one you've got above), and satellite views for cobbling together route ideas.

Dave
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, 2015
Rick o'R&P OOOOH...Maps.me looks interesting!

Is OSM, this? > https://www.openstreetmap.org
I found maps.me easier to use than OSMand but it cannot do as much. With OSMand you can optionally get contour lines and offline wikipedia articles for shown locations for example. It uses more space for the data though as the offline maps are for bigger regions. For example I think maps.me broke up the state of North Carolina into seven sections but with OSMand you just downloaded the entire state.

OSM has that URL but I'm not sure if they are the developers of the OSMand app. The app does use the database that the Open Street Map project creates though.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Jul-Sept 2019: Ruta Asturianos Lebaniego / Apr 2018 Asturias / May 2016 CP: Portuguese
@Dave, Forgot that I have (permanently borrowed from my man 😁 ) your 2015 Northern Caminos book! Using the map on pages 124-125, I was able to see then, change my map for a 'more scenic' walk. Now to go back and change my other WIkiloc maps, using my new skilllset. Thanks!
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islandwalker

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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Del Estrecho, Ruta Fray Leopoldo,
Vía Serrano
from what I see on that Coastal portion (Llanes to Colombres), you certainly appear to be spot on regarding highway! I'm just trying to keep the pueblo's the same as they are on the Credencial map.
What a great project you are tackling! Have you tried using the new "Search by Passing Area" feature available with Wikiloc Premium? It lets you put circles around two or more different areas and then see all the tracks passing through those areas. I just put in Llanes and Columbres and got 122 tracks that have been uploaded to Wikiloc that pass through both towns.
 
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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, 2015
I just put in Llanes and Columbres and got 122 tracks that have been uploaded to Wikiloc that pass through the both towns
I'm new to Wikiloc and a basic member. When I do searches for two towns I get a list of tracks where either one or the other town (or both but not listed as a especially good hit) has its name in the track description. Would you please verify that the premium membership will show the tracks that pass through both towns at the top of the list.
 

islandwalker

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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Del Estrecho, Ruta Fray Leopoldo,
Vía Serrano
Would you please verify that the premium membership will show the tracks that pass through both towns at the top of the list.
Yes indeed, the results page will show all the uploaded tracks Wikiloc contains that pass through both areas you identified. For people wanting to build their own routes, it's a marvelous tool, especially for Spain, since Wikiloc originated there and has great coverage for Spain and Portugal. The first time you try it and see how useful is, you'll have a big smile on your face. You no longer have to know where a track starts or ends in order to make it come up in your search, nor do you have to know the title. You just sign up for Wikiloc premium ($9.99), go to the map search page, click on the words "Search by Passing Area" at the bottom of the map, and zoom in or out on the map to center the circle that appears over the first area that you want to walk from or to. Then click on the orange block that says "Search trails passing here." Next, click on the white block that says "Add passing area" and center your next circle over your target village. (You can add up to four passing areas.) All the trails that pass through both of your circles will then be listed on the side of the screen. You can display them on the map by clicking the "eye" symbol beside them. Full directions here. Have fun!
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islandwalker

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Del Estrecho, Ruta Fray Leopoldo,
Vía Serrano
Just saw that Premium price is for one year! 😲
Yikes is what I thought at first, too! There was a lot of discussion about the price for Premium in their online forum, and in the fourth message down, Kaixi, one of the Wikiloc programmers, explains their reasoning. It's mainly due to the cost of developing and maintaining the advanced features. After using them for a few months, I feel like I'm really getting my money's worth. Before, even with hours of searching, I never knew if I was missing a trail that would take me from Point A to Point B via a detour to some other site I wanted to visit; now I can figure it out in a flash. Or I can change my mind halfway through a route and immediately see all the other options available to me. Luckily, people can try Premium free for 14 days to see if the additional features are worth it to them. For people who are following a set route, the basic version is probably fine; for people who are developing their own routes, the premium version is a versatile tool.
 
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