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Where is the steep and lengthen rocky (pebbles) descent?

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dfox

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There was a long and steep down hill which path was covered with pebbles, may be around Pamplona, but not sure.

Is this steep rocky (pebbles) descent near Alto del Perdon?

Thanks for any pointers.
 

Lance Chambers

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Sarria (2015), SJPdP (2016), Burgos (2017), SJPdP (2018), Burgo (2019), SJPdP (2023?).
I've seen people have problems with the approach to Zubiri, too.
The last few kms descent into Zubiri can be treacherous as it is covered in loose sharp pieces of black flat stone. I saw about 5 people cut to pieces - legs and arms - trying to get to Zubiri. Either they had no poles or didn't know how to use them well.
 

Rich1

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Camino Frances (May 2015)
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A complicated Camino from Madrid (Aug/Sep 18)
I had a mos impressive tumble on the steep descent down into El Acebo - required some expert patching up at the owner of the first CR/Albergue on the left :oops:
 

Faye Walker

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CF 2014, CF 2018, CP 2019 from Coimbra
There is some pretty wild scree coming down from Atapuerca before Burgos as well. And the route I took last time into Portomarin was steep and rocky, though I don't recall it being so the first time I went. And on my second arrival into Leon, the path had changed a bit and the descent was very steep, full of switchbacks and lots of scree.
 

biped

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Sept (2017)
The descents out of both Alto del Perdon & the Cruz de Ferro nearly did me in. I watched wide-eyed with raised brows as cyclists whooshed past me leaving Alto del Perdon, bouncing out of sight down the trail. Couldn't have done it without poles. Or ibuprofen. Or vino blanco. Or swearing.
 

gittiharre

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CF Austria Czech Le Puy Geneva RLS V. Jacobi V. Regia V. Baltica/Scandinavica Porto Muxia
There was a long and steep down hill which path was covered with pebbles, may be around Pamplona, but not sure.

Is this steep rocky (pebbles) descent near Alto del Perdon?

Thanks for any pointers.
Going down to Zubiri
 

K Turner

One step at a time
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14 August 2019 (SJPdP 16 August)
The descents out of both Alto del Perdon & the Cruz de Ferro nearly did me in. I watched wide-eyed with raised brows as cyclists whooshed past me leaving Alto del Perdon, bouncing out of sight down the trail. Couldn't have done it without poles. Or ibuprofen. Or vino blanco. Or swearing.
The descent after Cruz de Ferro was really tough. The heat wave last month didn't help either. I finished the day with a good amount of Arnica cream, paracetamol...and sangria!
 

ranthr

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From Cruz de Ferro to El Acebo, choose the road just aside when it gets a bit stony on the path, slowly down the hill to El Acébo. There ´s where I learnt on my first camino in 2005 that the first aid things should not be in the bottom of my backpack. An old grandma having a shop there in those days, helped me when I came in ghere bleeding a lot.
 

Yoyo

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2017: CF 800 km
2019: CF 180 km
This is the downhill part after Alto de Perdón:

Alto Perdón.jpeg

And this is on the way from Cruz de Ferro to El Acebo:

El Acebo.jpeg
 

Kimball

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Portugués 2019
There was a long and steep down hill which path was covered with pebbles, may be around Pamplona, but not sure.

Is this steep rocky (pebbles) descent near Alto del Perdon?

Thanks for any pointers.
The last 5 km down into Zubiri are a shit hole. The worse 3km I ever encountered on dry terra.
 

truthseeker

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Camino Francés (2018)
I had not been accustomed to walking with poles, but was glad I bought one in SJPP. All the aforementioned descents were occasions for extreme caution on my part. I took my time and got down without injury, thanking God each time for my safe arrival.
 

Trevor_Cropredy

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frances, Via Podiensis, Primitivo and Muxia
It is vital not to be distracted on any of these rocky descents. AVOID the temptation to admire the scenery or indeed to become too engrossed in conversation with fellow pilgrims. Take it slowly, concentrate on your feet and you should be fine. Finally when I walked the frances in 2013 people were advised to take the slightly longer but less demanding descent to Roncevalles that veers to the right along (mostly) tarmac road; this would be essential in wet weather.
 

audikez

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2019 camino france
There was a long and steep down hill which path was covered with pebbles, may be around Pamplona, but not sure.

Is this steep rocky (pebbles) descent near Alto del Perdon?

Thanks for any pointers.
It is vital not to be distracted on any of these rocky descents. AVOID the temptation to admire the scenery or indeed to become too engrossed in conversation with fellow pilgrims. Take it slowly, concentrate on your feet and you should be fine. Finally when I walked the frances in 2013 people were advised to take the slightly longer but less demanding descent to Roncevalles that veers to the right along (mostly) tarmac road; this would be essential in wet weather.
There was a long and steep down hill which path was covered with pebbles, may be around Pamplona, but not sure.

Is this steep rocky (pebbles) descent near Alto del Perdon?

Thanks for any pointers.
 

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Doughnut NZ

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Frances (2019)
There are several steep and rocky descents. Zubiri, Alto de Perdon and Cruz de Ferro all come to mind., but all doable if you take your time and exercise caution.
Hmm, I almost ran down the slope into Zubiri, in the rain, passing many people along the way. I saw a few who had fallen and attributed their injuries to too much caution and trying to keep their shoes dry. Mine were already wet, so I purposely stepped where the water flowed fastest.

Similarly, I was surprised that people were complaining about the descent from Alto de Perdon. I danced down that section.

By the time I got to Cruz de Ferro and the descent down the other side I was quite ill from my Legionella (without realising) and I stepped carefully and slowly and had heaps of problems until I decided to take the road instead.

I suspect that some of my good balance on the first two descents was due to having dosed up on Vitamin B12 before I left home. As I have aged my body's ability to accumulate B12 from my food has diminished and if I don't take supplements my B12 levels drop below the normal range.

Clever me, wasn't so clever when I got home though as I forgot to restart my supplements and I slipped and fell three times on a local tramp (hike, for non-Kiwis) and tore muscles and a tendon in my shoulder! ☹

Clearly I was safer, walking on the Camino.
 

Amused212

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2019
There was a long and steep down hill which path was covered with pebbles, may be around Pamplona, but not sure.

Is this steep rocky (pebbles) descent near Alto del Perdon?

Thanks for any pointers.
I thought the descent into Zubiri was dangerous. Coming down from Alto de Pedron was wicked but 2nd to Zubiri.
 

mdelag

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There was a long and steep down hill which path was covered with pebbles, may be around Pamplona, but not sure.

Is this steep rocky (pebbles) descent near Alto del Perdon?


Thanks for any pointers.
Hi @dfox !! As they say there are2-3 steepy descents...but for me the most difficult one was from Rabanal del Camino to El Acebo...and from there to Molinaseca. I took my time because i planned it in 2 etapas. So could take my time to take pictures of the beautiful scenery, rest, drink water, and enjoy each step of it.
have a wonderful Camino.
BUEN CAMINO TO ALL !!
 

MichelleElynHogan

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There was a long and steep down hill which path was covered with pebbles, may be around Pamplona, but not sure.

Is this steep rocky (pebbles) descent near Alto del Perdon?

Thanks for any pointers.
I think I know the path you mean.

Beginning descent from the Pyrenees down into Roncesvalles, there are three choices, the road on the extreme left, the main path, directly in front with a sign pointing down to Roncesvalles and then the longer but less difficult path on the far right. Near the top of the descent, there is a section of the path that has thousands of rocks sticking up out of the soil. It is a most difficult section if your legs are still rubbery from walking up the other side of the mountains the previous day. By the time you get to Roncesvalles, the legs will be sore on the fronts and the backs.

This is the way I took in Aug /16 so I have experienced traversing this difficult section. If I do it again, I will take the path to the far right. It starts out paved, I believe.
 

NorthernLight

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Le Puy to Santiago via the Frances 2012-2013. EPW2015
Aragonese & Frances 2016
Burgos to Muxia 2017
I had the impression that the original question was about trying to identify a specific rocky descent as opposed to wanting to know about them all; perhaps to locate where he/she had taken a picture or had a fall.

He speaks in past tense.
 

Jeff Crawley

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Contemplating yet another "final" Camino
but 2019?
But isn't there a road off to the right?
The one the snack van comes up? Yes, you can walk below the ridge line/wind generators and come out onto the Calle Camino de Santiago:

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towards Puenta but I've no personal knowledge of how busy that highway is.
 

habanerocat

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2013 Camino Frances
2014 Camino Frances again
2015 The Rheinsteig
The Roman road after Cirauqui is very difficult in my opinion. No loose stones though. But all downhill. That's looking back on it.

IMG_0979.jpg
 

gerip

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Ingles, Sep - Oct 2019
The one the snack van comes up? Yes, you can walk below the ridge line/wind generators and come out onto the Calle Camino de Santiago:

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towards Puenta but I've no personal knowledge of how busy that highway is.
Didn't know there was a snack van! Was there mid-October last year and only saw three other pilgrims. I understand now that is quite uncommon.
 

Jeff Crawley

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Contemplating yet another "final" Camino
but 2019?
Didn't know there was a snack van! Was there mid-October last year and only saw three other pilgrims. I understand now that is quite uncommon.
Probably seasonal but I haven't been there since Aug '16. Everytime I've been there it's been difficult to get a photo of the sculpture - too many pilgrims!
 

steve 217

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Camino frances planning via del la plata
Agree entirely with slope down to Zubiri there last week had forgotten how dangerous it can be particuarly in the rain .
Path very worn sharp pebbles v slippy
 

joecamino

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2017 CF
Wow, this thread's bringing back memories! I went into my Camino well aware of the major climbs, but pretty clueless about the big descents. Reading this, I can remember every one mentioned. I can't imagine getting through them without hiking poles.
 
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CF 2006,08,09,11,12(2),13(2),14,16(2),18(2) Aragones 11,12,VDLP 11,13,Lourdes 12,Malaga 16,Port 06
The first I remember is the one from the summit down through the beech forest to Roncesvalles.
The alternative road route is just as beautiful and much much easier on the knees!

The second is the descent into Zubiri. In wet weather it can be treacherous. I know of no alternative.

The Roman road after Ciraqui is not easy, but you can turn to the right just before the climb into the village and take the road. MUCH easier and a pleasant walk.

The rocky path down Perdon causes some people alarm. I've never found it difficult. You just need to watch where you put your feet.

The trail down into Acebo is a little scary, as is the trail into Molinaseca. The road is easier.

I'd say at least a walking stick would make any of these safer.
 

wynrich

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CF 2013, CF 2014, CP 2016, CN 1st half 2018, CN 3rd qtr+R. Cantabrico 2019, Via Francigena 2017
Oh yes, all these mentioned bring up memories (mostly good now that they are over!) One of the worst descents my husband and I remember is down from El Brusco, a little past Santona on the Norte. My forum photo to the left was taken on the ascent. That was fun. The descent was quite a challenge for me.
 

MartinPE

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Done : Le Puy to Saint Jean ( June 2017)
Planning: Saint Jean to Santiago (June 2018)
For me it was definitely coming down off Cruz de Terra all the way into Molinesca.
I rode my Moutain bike with panniers on the entire walking route .. this stretch into Molinesca was very technical and strenuous.
Seal on my front fort suspension took a hammering
 

El Cascayal

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Primitivo (2019)
Primitivo por Hospitales descent on marble like jagged rock pieces slick in the rain and fog. And a good day was had by all. Thank God for poles!
 
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Camino Frances April 2020
The first I remember is the one from the summit down through the beech forest to Roncesvalles.
The alternative road route is just as beautiful and much much easier on the knees!

The second is the descent into Zubiri. In wet weather it can be treacherous. I know of no alternative.

The Roman road after Ciraqui is not easy, but you can turn to the right just before the climb into the village and take the road. MUCH easier and a pleasant walk.

The rocky path down Perdon causes some people alarm. I've never found it difficult. You just need to watch where you put your feet.

The trail down into Acebo is a little scary, as is the trail into Molinaseca. The road is easier.

I'd say at least a walking stick would make any of these safer.
Annie - Are the alternatives marked in the guidebooks?
 

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