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Where to buy Tiger Balm in Spain?

CaminoJoy123

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2017
#1
Hey I've been using some good cream for muscle aches, but the people who loaned me the product have gone and taken it with them.

The cream was something like Tiger Balm, with a hot and cold sensation. It was a yellow or golden in color, and in consistency it was waxy, like a creamy paste.

Where in Spain is that sold?
 
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Francés five times, Madrid two days, Ingles once.
#5
Many pharmacies - even in the villages along the CF have it - take a photo of yours and show it. You may get a slightly different product, but basically the same - this is the same in the "Chino" stores.
 

CaminoJoy123

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Camino(s) past & future
2017
#6
Many pharmacies - even in the villages along the CF have it - take a photo of yours and show it. You may get a slightly different product, but basically the same - this is the same in the "Chino" stores.
Hola!

La farmacia lo tiene. They keep it in the back. You have to ask for it. Otherwise you get wimpy cream.

Yes I have been carrying around a foto of the product. The Chinese style shopkeepers know nothing about it.

Thanks!
 
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Nearly every year since 2006, often walking more than one route. 2018 will be Camino #14.
#8
Hola!

La farmacia lo tiene. They keep it in the back. You have to ask for it. Otherwise you get wimpy cream.

Yes I have been carrying around a foto of the product. The Chinese style shopkeepers know nothing about it.

Thanks!
I buy it every year in the china stores.
So I know it's there.
I've been buying it there for 10 years +
Many times what we ask for isn't what they hear.
But I'm glad you found it.
 
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Anemone del Camino

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#9
I buy it every year in the china stores.
So I know it's there.
I've been buying it there for 10 years +
Many times what we ask for isn't what they hear.
But I'm glad you found it.
Annie, your list of Caminos does not include the rugged northern region of Spain I'm afraid. Things are really much different up there with Basques having a much different lifestyle.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Nearly every year since 2006, often walking more than one route. 2018 will be Camino #14.
#10
Annie, your list of Caminos does not include the rugged northern region of Spain I'm afraid. Things are really much different up there with Basques having a much different lifestyle.
She asks "Where in Spain is that sold?" I've walked the Norte - if I went further North, I'd be in the sea? (I can only list so many Caminos without looking silly)

Here is what I buy all over Spain:
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These are tiny containers, maybe 1 inch in diameter.
I found this image online, as my Camino gear is packed up.
 

MikeyC

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#11
We have bought Tiger Balm in Decathlon stores in Spain.
Check their website where it is called Balsamo de TIGRE.
They have it in red and white versions.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Nearly every year since 2006, often walking more than one route. 2018 will be Camino #14.
#12
The ones I buy are not actually called "Tiger Balm" or "Balsamo de Tigre."
They are called Essential Balm or Aromatic Balm or Gold Star Balm.
But they all work the same way and are pretty much the same recipe (to me anyway).
I use it on a hankie to mask perfume scent, not so much for my muscles. It keeps me from getting a migraine in fragranced places.
 

JillGat

la tierra encantada
Camino(s) past & future
C. Frances
SJPP - Finisterre - Muxia, May 2016
C. Frances, Sept 2017
Via de La Plata (spring, 2019)
#14
For muscle aches or inflammation: Voltador Forte
 

CaminoJoy123

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Camino(s) past & future
2017
#15
We have bought Tiger Balm in Decathlon stores in Spain.
Check their website where it is called Balsamo de TIGRE.
They have it in red and white versions.
Thanks. The decathlon stores are good to know about. Already passed the ones in San Sebastián, Irun.

Creo que decathlon cerca esta en Bilbao.
 

CaminoJoy123

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Camino(s) past & future
2017
#17
She asks "Where in Spain is that sold?" I've walked the Norte - if I went further North, I'd be in the sea? (I can only list so many Caminos without looking silly)

Here is what I buy all over Spain:
View attachment 35843

These are tiny containers, maybe 1 inch in diameter.
I found this image online, as my Camino gear is packed up.
I'm glad you were able to locate this product in the import shops you visited. The import shops I visited did not have anything like it.

I got some at the farmacia, where it was kept in back.

Yes the small size is key.
 

JillGat

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C. Frances
SJPP - Finisterre - Muxia, May 2016
C. Frances, Sept 2017
Via de La Plata (spring, 2019)
#18
Looks good! Thanks!

Have you tried this and Tiger Balm? Can you feel a difference?

http://www.voltadol.com.es/producto...MI3I3x_Mbx1QIVajPTCh3TFw4qEAAYASAAEgIIpPD_BwE
I haven't done a comparison experiment, but Tiger Balm only contains camphor and menthol, I believe. Voltadol contains actual nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medication (NSAID) (this topical form can only be obtained with a prescription in the US). I'm not saying Tiger Balm isn't effective for *you*, though, as only you know your own experience.
 
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CaminoDebrita

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#19
She asks "Where in Spain is that sold?" I've walked the Norte - if I went further North, I'd be in the sea? (I can only list so many Caminos without looking silly)

Here is what I buy all over Spain:
View attachment 35843

These are tiny containers, maybe 1 inch in diameter.
I found this image online, as my Camino gear is packed up.
Hey @Anniesantiago -- I just realized you've been on the forum since 2008. Long time! btw, I was smiling to think that I bought Tiger Balm in Cambodia for years and years...it's such a staple there. I also use it to mask unpleasant odors (and muscle aches and pains, not to mention dizziness) . Nice to see you online.

Deb (just a few miles away from you)
 

JillGat

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C. Frances
SJPP - Finisterre - Muxia, May 2016
C. Frances, Sept 2017
Via de La Plata (spring, 2019)
#20
Hey @Anniesantiago -- I just realized you've been on the forum since 2008. Long time! btw, I was smiling to think that I bought Tiger Balm in Cambodia for years and years...it's such a staple there. I also use it to mask unpleasant odors (and muscle aches and pains, not to mention dizziness) . Nice to see you online.

Deb (just a few miles away from you)
If you ever happen to be in Singapore, be sure to check out the Tiger Balm Gardens (Haw Par Villa), built by the Aw family who developed Tiger Balm. It depicts ancient Chinese folklore and mythology and is surreal. Sadly, some of the more bizarre, obscene and violent statues and dioramas have been removed, apparently. I believe the "Ten Courts of Hell" is still depicted, though.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Nearly every year since 2006, often walking more than one route. 2018 will be Camino #14.
#21
Hey @Anniesantiago -- I just realized you've been on the forum since 2008. Long time! btw, I was smiling to think that I bought Tiger Balm in Cambodia for years and years...it's such a staple there. I also use it to mask unpleasant odors (and muscle aches and pains, not to mention dizziness) . Nice to see you online.

Deb (just a few miles away from you)
We really should meet up for coffee sometime.
Do you ever find yourself in Portland?
 

CaminoDebrita

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#23
We really should meet up for coffee sometime.
Do you ever find yourself in Portland?
Yes, I do indeed. Busy week coming up, then I'll send a PM.

Have a joyful walk, @CaminoJoy123 --hope things are going okay. I'd love to know how your weather is if you get a chance to make a note about it.
 

CaminoJoy123

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
2017
#25
I haven't done a comparison experiment, but Tiger Balm only contains camphor and menthol, I believe. Voltadol contains actual nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medication (NSAID) (this topical form can only be obtained with a prescription in the US). I'm not saying Tiger Balm isn't effective for *you*, though, as only you know your own experience.
Ok great info. Ibuprofen plus camphor/menthol in the voltadol. It looks like a good product.
 

CaminoJoy123

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
2017
#26
If you ever happen to be in Singapore, be sure to check out the Tiger Balm Gardens (Haw Par Villa), built by the Aw family who developed Tiger Balm. It depicts ancient Chinese folklore and mythology and is surreal. Sadly, some of the more bizarre, obscene and violent statues and dioramas have been removed, apparently. I believe the "Ten Courts of Hell" is still depicted, though.
Which really makes you wonder why the import stores I visited recognized neither the name nor the photo of the product!
 

CaminoJoy123

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Camino(s) past & future
2017
#27
Any time you want a herbal-type medicament, check out the "parafarmacia" in any decent-sized town. They have Tiger Balm, Swedish Bitters, CoQ10, as well as organic grains and goodies for Celiacs and people who don't consume animal products.
This is a great tip. Parafarmacia. Didn't know it existed. Thanks.
 

CaminoJoy123

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
2017
#28
Yes, I do indeed. Busy week coming up, then I'll send a PM.

Have a joyful walk, @CaminoJoy123 --hope things are going okay. I'd love to know how your weather is if you get a chance to make a note about it.
Ok, the weather report. I am from Florida. Keep that in mind.

Weather on camino Norte this week often has been cool, almost chilly, often a light breeze, overcast. Most days barely hit 82-84 degrees. Sometimes it was quite hot of course. Mostly very good for hiking.

I'm wearing autumn clothes. Wool shirts. Heavier shorts. Fleece in the towns after hiking.

Albergues seem cold to me. People leave windows open here with no screen. Light breeze prevails.

Although we are often overlooking the sea, and people are swimming and surfing, they must be mostly British or Scandinavian. It seems mostly too cold to swim.

Other times we are in the forest and mountain, mostly shady but sometimes open fields and paths.

As for the path, it is not muddy right now. This is very fortunate.

As you know, many pieces of each day really are a hike. There is ascent and descent on dirt and on marvelous old stone. Sometimes actual steps.

Also you realize it's better to actually follow the starting and stopping of the stage descriptions becaus the albergues are set up that way and are not commonly found in between.

Kids in Europe go back to school Monday I think. Some albergues will be closed then. All the Spanish university stendents will end their Caminos Sunday. So a very different atmosphere then.
 

CaminoDebrita

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#29
Ok, the weather report. I am from Florida. Keep that in mind.

Weather on camino Norte this week often has been cool, almost chilly, often a light breeze, overcast. Most days barely hit 82-84 degrees. Sometimes it was quite hot of course. Mostly very good for hiking.

I'm wearing autumn clothes. Wool shirts. Heavier shorts. Fleece in the towns after hiking.

Albergues seem cold to me. People leave windows open here with no screen. Light breeze prevails.

Although we are often overlooking the sea, and people are swimming and surfing, they must be mostly British or Scandinavian. It seems mostly too cold to swim.

Other times we are in the forest and mountain, mostly shady but sometimes open fields and paths.

As for the path, it is not muddy right now. This is very fortunate.

As you know, many pieces of each day really are a hike. There is ascent and descent on dirt and on marvelous old stone. Sometimes actual steps.

Also you realize it's better to actually follow the starting and stopping of the stage descriptions becaus the albergues are set up that way and are not commonly found in between.

Kids in Europe go back to school Monday I think. Some albergues will be closed then. All the Spanish university stendents will end their Caminos Sunday. So a very different atmosphere then.
Very interesting information. I very much like the 82 degrees or so. That's good hiking weather for me.

I love the idea of ascents and descents each day, and am curious to know more about the "marvelous old stone". I hope you take a lot of photos for us, so you can upload some later at your leisure.

Stopping and starting at the "stage description" points can be a little unnerving to those of us who like to carve our own destinations out, but if it's where facilities are, that's what you must do. How many days total will you be walking, and do you plan to get to Santiago de Compostela? Such a beautiful end to a long walk, and very moving.

It just occurred to me that if you have to, if you can get to water's edge (at some points, probably? I have not walked Camino Norte), get some good sand between those palms and do a proper scrub up.

Keep us informed---and buen camino, pilgrim!

Deb
 

CaminoJoy123

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Camino(s) past & future
2017
#30
Very interesting information. I very much like the 82 degrees or so. That's good hiking weather for me.

I love the idea of ascents and descents each day, and am curious to know more about the "marvelous old stone". I hope you take a lot of photos for us, so you can upload some later at your leisure.

Stopping and starting at the "stage description" points can be a little unnerving to those of us who like to carve our own destinations out, but if it's where facilities are, that's what you must do. How many days total will you be walking, and do you plan to get to Santiago de Compostela? Such a beautiful end to a long walk, and very moving.

It just occurred to me that if you have to, if you can get to water's edge (at some points, probably? I have not walked Camino Norte), get some good sand between those palms and do a proper scrub up.

Keep us informed---and buen camino, pilgrim!

Deb
Ok you don't really have to observe the etapes from Gronze but it's easier. The albergue infrastructure is not in place for massive pilgrims to do whatever mileage they want, so you are more limited.

I haven't been taking a lot of fotos of the footing, sorry.

Pavement in cities, paved paths along the rural areas sometimes. Other times the path footing is not perfect. Could be dirt or stones. Sometimes the stones are old and large and worn. Sometimes small to mid-size and sliding. Sometimes just a worn path thru a forest. Sometime dirt/mud. It's beautiful scenery if you can manage to look up from the footing.

Yes there is constant ascent and descent. The coastal towns are flat. You are basically in Basque Country. There are mountains here. So it's a few hundred meters up and down each day.

You are on a pilgrimage thru these old towns to go to their churches. That's why the path was here.

I'm told this was the original route, by the way. Over time, it proved too difficult for foreigners and modern people. It's very mountainous. So they created Frances. At least that's what the Spanish families have told me.

Speaking of Spanish, there are seriously no americans here. It's truly a Spanish cultural phenomenon. You are not going to find a bunch of anglophones to chat with. But if you do, they're from Norway or Canada or something.

If you get turned away from an albergue that's completo, I don't know what peregrinos do. Perhaps the tourist office advises.

And if you miss the dinner times, I don't know what people do. A few restaurants might serve all day, but that's pretty rare.

You're with Spanish people. Sometimes they eat out. Sometimes they go to the supermarket and sort of Make do.

It's hard to predict what the crowd of pilgrims will do. I'm at an albergue right Now that has a really posh bathroom and kitchen. It's not full. Where did everyone go? To the donativa?

Some people walked to the next town perhaps. Some stopped walking and went home to Madrid or Barcelona. And yet as I write this more pilgrims show up.
 

CaminoDebrita

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#31
Thanks so much for the interesting commentary.

Regarding lack of anglophones, no problem. My Spanish language skills are sufficient, and aside from that, I am a person who can go either way: company or not.

I remember a few times on the CF late in the season (late Oct / Nov) when I went without food at night because I was hungry at the wrong times! And once, when in Pamplona, I was so ill with an URI that a pilgrim friend from this forum came by to visit, and gifted me with chocolate--a panacea for sure. I was delighted. I do love good food, however, and was especially happy with the lovely fresh tomatoes with white cheese served in October. Delicious.

Another side note: sometimes a really posh bathroom and etc. are just what the doctor ordered. I have found that after some time out on the trails, it's just so great to get an excellent rest in. One thing I've found is that occasionally lighting in some of the inexpensive pensions is not great; I'm considering traveling with a small solar light up top. @JillGat --what do you think of that idea?

Thanks for letting me hijack your thread a bit, dear @CaminoJoy123 . I love reading posts as folks are "on camino," and I am greatly enjoying your journey as it occurs!

Best,
Deb
 

CaminoJoy123

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Camino(s) past & future
2017
#32
Thanks so much for the interesting commentary.

Regarding lack of anglophones, no problem. My Spanish language skills are sufficient, and aside from that, I am a person who can go either way: company or not.

I remember a few times on the CF late in the season (late Oct / Nov) when I went without food at night because I was hungry at the wrong times! And once, when in Pamplona, I was so ill with an URI that a pilgrim friend from this forum came by to visit, and gifted me with chocolate--a panacea for sure. I was delighted. I do love good food, however, and was especially happy with the lovely fresh tomatoes with white cheese served in October. Delicious.

Another side note: sometimes a really posh bathroom and etc. are just what the doctor ordered. I have found that after some time out on the trails, it's just so great to get an excellent rest in. One thing I've found is that occasionally lighting in some of the inexpensive pensions is not great; I'm considering traveling with a small solar light up top. @JillGat --what do you think of that idea?

Thanks for letting me hijack your thread a bit, dear @CaminoJoy123 . I love reading posts as folks are "on camino," and I am greatly enjoying your journey as it occurs!

Best,
Deb
If you were asking about getting a headlamp, I think it's essential.

Glad you enjoy speaking Spanish.

Today an Australian is here, so a German and Lithuanian and Spaniard are all in the kitchen speaking English together, cooking a meal, snacking on watermelon.

On this camino people are not too interested in psychological or spiritual reasons for camino. No one asks that on Norte except maybe An anglophone.

This camino is somewhat youth oriented or health oriented. And the 20-somethings here are mature at a young age. Of course there are people of all ages. I've run into several middle aged women like myself. And a Spanish couple who are grandparents.

Very few people have enough time and stamina to go to Santiago. They are here in the moment. They will go as far as they can. Then go home. They will return when they have more time. It's not about the destination on this camino. It's about the moment and the people. It's about the mountain. It's about the next step.

It's practical. There's no phony spirituality. No false depth. There is no great big story or inner journey that people are rushing to discover or discuss. It's not like a movie. On the other hand, if you want to talk about this, you could.

And you have tremendous opportunity for personal reflection. You will be alone a lot, especially if you speed up or slow down. People will understand.

And it's beautiful. Gorgeous. Coastline, mountains, forest. Many small villages. A few larger cities.

The sea is infinite. We are not. The mountains, the forests, and all of nature will endure. And we will not. These muscle aches will end, hunger will end, and so will our lives. Camino will not. Camino will endure.

I'd rather know how people are dealing right now, what people are thinking of all this right now. where people are from, how many days have they been hiking so far, how are they feeling, what are they eating, when do they go back home.

The most impressive thing has been the Spanish people. The Spanish families and the good friends who do camino together are so inspiring and so normal. Some Spanish children were with their parents this week. Very respectful kids.

The tradition of camino and family and friends is here on the Norte. And it always will be.
 

CaminoDebrita

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#33
All very interesting, especially hearing your insights and "feelings" as it were.

Muscle aches on Camino...now that's a subject I know quite well. I found that the more water I drank, the less I ached. I hope you have the balm that you needed, but also, I'm hoping you are drinking plenty of fluids.

I am interested in exploring Camino Norte and also Via de la Plata, although this time around, I have two weeks to walk--and it will either be from Pamplona or it will be Camino Porto. I have a fickle eye when it comes to travel, and I may get diverted to VDLP as well. I have not hit the gavel on the pedestal and declared "sold" on anything quite yet, and that--for me--is incredibly satisfactory.

Buen camino, pilgrim.
 
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#34
Hey I've been using some good cream for muscle aches, but the people who loaned me the product have gone and taken it with them.

The cream was something like Tiger Balm, with a hot and cold sensation. It was a yellow or golden in color, and in consistency it was waxy, like a creamy paste.

Where in Spain is that sold?
On my first Camino I used Tiger Balm on my sore hip. The smell of the TB penetrated the small hotel room I stayed in. The next day the entire hotel smelt like a Chinese massage facility. I'm use to the aroma as I use TB regularly. However out of respect for these establishments I have switched to a cold cream which gradually heats up on the muscle after a few minutes.
 

notion900

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#35
The most impressive thing has been the Spanish people. The Spanish families and the good friends who do camino together are so inspiring and so normal. Some Spanish children were with their parents this week. Very respectful kids.
People think I go to Spain for the landscape and the gastronomy. Not really. I go for this.
 

Sunisa

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Camino(s) past & future
in 2019 - 2021
#37
Hi, i would go the way to just it online. There are some advantages to buy online instead of buying in the pharmacy. First, do get your balm from Thailand / Singapore as it does contain 25% Camphor and is much stronger as the European version and version from India or China. Pay attention to this. Second, the price is much cheaper. You get 30g for very cheap compared to the Pharmacy pricing with only 12% Camphor.
I get mine in two shops:
www.amazon.es or at www.tigerbalm-baumetigre.com
Just browse around to get the best deal
 

Charles Zammit

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#38
As exotic and Asian as ' Tiger Balm ' sounds the majority of the varieties available throughout Asia and the rest of the world are made in Australia .
A small company under the umbrella name of Drug Houses Australia is based in Queensland and operates under licence from a parent corporation; Haw Par Brothers International based in Singapore .
Contents as listed are ;
Camphor oil 25 %
Menthol 10%
Cassia oil 5 %
Cajuput [?] oil 7 %
The 1930's style brown glass jar and retro style label , along with the pressed metal lid complete with tiger motif and Chinese calligraphy would have you believe that it came from a back street herbalist's shop in the depths of Shanghai .
All this said it is the best cure for a headache I have ever found .
 

Sunisa

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#39
Yes this is correct. I guess in todays time everything is being automated to produce as cheap as possible. However Haw Par does produce a huge portion of the balm in Thailand (Olic) as labor is much cheaper there as in Australia or Singapore.
I am not sure if the origin is from Shanghai as i heard that the family of Haw Par was actually located in Burma where the balm was developed back in time
 

Sunisa

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#40
I did some research and there is an interview at the China Post from the owner family:

The Tiger Balm story begins several generations ago in rural Fujian province, in southern China. That’s where, in the late 1860s, Aw Chu Kin, the son of a herbalist, set off to join his uncle in the Burmese city of Rangoon.

[It] reminds me of my nan. No matter what the ailment – sore throat, cold, nosebleeds, mosquito bites – she would just put Tiger Balm on you.

Vicky Wong

It was a long journey that took him through Singapore and Penang, in Malaya, where he earned more in a day selling herbal remedies to dock workers than he did in a month back home.

By 1870, Aw had made it to Rangoon. He set up an apothecary named Eng Aun Tong (the Hall of Eternal Peace) and had three sons: Aw Boon Leong (“Gentle Dragon”), Aw Boon Haw (“Gentle Tiger”) and Aw Boon Par (“Gentle Leopard”).

Boon Leong died young, and father Aw died in 1908, leaving the family business to Boon Par and Boon Haw. Together, they delved into their father’s recipes and adapted them to produce an analgesic balm to treat any manner of ills. When it launched in 1924, Boon Haw named it after himself: Tiger Balm.
 
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#41
Marvelous , thank you Sunisa , a great story :)
 
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#43
Hey I've been using some good cream for muscle aches, but the people who loaned me the product have gone and taken it with them.

The cream was something like Tiger Balm, with a hot and cold sensation. It was a yellow or golden in color, and in consistency it was waxy, like a creamy paste.

Where in Spain is that sold?
You could use the official salve (that's just what they say) of the camino. It is called voltaren. It is diclofenac which is a cox 2 inhibitor non-steroidal anti inflamatory. It is amazing and is sold over the counter at any pharmacy in spain.
 

Sunisa

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in 2019 - 2021
#44
Hi there are several kind of products like this on the market. Voltaren (or Voltadol in Spanish( is one of them then you have counterpain cream, Nurofen Gel (Ibuprofen). I would suggest to get a small tube of either brand from back home, so you have it right away from the beginning and do not have to look around in the pharmacies. As it is small you can carry it right from the start.
 

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