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At some point this will all die out - and people will find other places or activities to do. Lets be honest - how many met people that actually had spiritual or religious reasons(for lack of a better word) to walk "a" camino.
Let me try to put this in context; - Through the last few years there has been many people that have noticed the ever increasing number of "pilgrims". And let me give an example on another place. The last time I was in Jerusalem - a few years ago, I met some orthodox jews that were so tired of tourists -and as they said "Jerusalem is not a tourist place - it´s a religious place. And they continued - "people have lost sight of what is important - they come so they can say they have been there".
Rather harsh - but I got the point. And I have afterwards tried to remember that when I am out travelling.
Another point - On my last camino "and last" - I ran into a french guy that had a sign on his chest and on the backpack that both said Silent Camino - and another pilgrim told me that this guy never talks or walks with other pilgrims. Like going on silent retreat.
I know a lot of people will take offense to this post - but the camino is not an amusement park or an alternative to having a relationship. For many people the common experience is the most important thing. If it wasn´t - there would be just as many people walking the Oslo-Trondheim hike or the
St.Olav`s path from Selanger to Trondheim, or one of the many other hiking paths.
 
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At some point this will all die out - and people will find other places or activities to do. Lets be honest - how many met people that actually had spiritual or religious reasons(for lack of a better word) to walk "a" camino.
Let me try to put this in context; - Through the last few years there has been many people that have noticed the ever increasing number of "pilgrims". And let me give an example on another place. The last time I was in Jerusalem - a few years ago, I met some orthodox jews that were so tired of tourists -and as they said "Jerusalem is not a tourist place - it´s a religious place. And they continued - "people have lost sight of what is important - they come so they can say they have been there".
Rather harsh - but I got the point. And I have afterwards tried to remember that when I am out travelling.
Another point - On my last camino "and last" - I ran into a french guy that had a sign on his chest and on the backpack that both said Silent Camino - and another pilgrim told me that this guy never talks or walks with other pilgrims. Like going on silent retreat.
I know a lot of people will take offense to this post - but the camino is not an amusement park or an alternative to having a relationship. For many people the common experience is the most important thing. If it wasn´t - there would be just as many people walking the Oslo-Trondheim hike or the
St.Olav`s path from Selanger to Trondheim, or one of the many other hiking paths.
Hi jesper K
Welcome to the forum.
You might be interested in a thread by @Rebekah Scott titled
The future of Camino Hospitality
and posted on 29 March 2017.
Which by the way I read just as I was starting my camino and have to admit it threw me a bit because her truths resonated. Fortunately for me it turned out this second camino was different but no less special than the first.
Apologies for not providing a direct link to the thread. Beyond my abilities I'm afraid. Hoping someone else might be able to do that. Otherwise just do a search and you'll find it.
Buen camino
 
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No, it won't die, and it won't return to what you would like it to be. However, it looks like July will be barely busier than last year after a string of monthly increases this year. The number of pilgrims may have crested but at a very high crest! I still do not see the commercialism unless you mean the increase in commercial tours. The increase in facilities is hardly commercialism; the occasional poster along the trail advertising an up-coming albergue may be commercialism, but it is far short of what you will find in Anaheim around Disneyland. It is surprisingly difficult to find a t-shirt shop until you get to Santiago. Even in big cities like Leon, there is very little to be found that is Camino commercialism.

the incident with the albergue in Granon
The church provides the albergue. I think it was the case that a volunteer hospitalero got into a snit and walked away. It reopened as soon as another hospitalero was found. I have never heard that the church's official position was to complain about freeloaders. I think they leave that to cranky pilgrims and hospitaleros. If it was a real concern to them, they would start charging the modest amount that most places charge. They are aware of the paucity of donations and elect to remain donativo. Getting one's shorts in a bunch about the behavior of others is a sure way to diminish one's camino!:)

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When I stayed (late Sept 2014) at la Casa de las Sonrises i had nothing but the best hospitality and experience. Ernesto did our (a few of us that arrived right before the wash load) laundry free if did't mind it going in with the linens and it arrived dry and folded later in the evening. The meals fantastic, my bunk comfy. The shower had hot water (not much water pressure but hot). Every time I went past the donativo box I put in more euros. I loved Granon and the locals and would love to spend more time there.
 
Whatever we think about the huge numbers on the Camino Francés, it's pretty clear they respond to forces well beyond our control and our judgment. I just read a very interesting article about disposable income and projecting forward to the next couple of generations of retirees. Looks pretty certain that we are at the apex of retirement nirvana with many retired people living long and well with lots of time to make bucket lists. Current working people are unlikely to have the luxury of early retirement or the luxury of high pensions. I see that in my kids' generation quite clearly. The author predicts huge shock waves to the travel industry writ large, and if she is right, the Camino will lose out as well. 13% of the compostelas went to retirees last year, and I'll bet that it's much higher as a percentage of those doing longer caminos.
 
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I'm writing the following without any positive or negative connotation, it's just an observation:
the Camino is a cheap holiday;
hiking is popular and the Caminos are included in many "top 10 of the world" lists or magazines such as National Geographic;
many want to visit Spain and Portugal;
cheap airfares make it possible to reach several towns in Spain and Portugal;
the mild winters make it an attractive year round destination, hiking is possible outside the summer season;
The trails are easy anough for newbies and untrained people;
Several books (Hape Kerkeling,..) have praised the Camino experience.

Nobody can calculate if there will be a turning point in general numbers. But from my (very limited) point of view, some of the busier caminos are already lacking to offer what people came from in the beginning.

Personally, I stopped seeing it as a spiritual experience and now see it merely as a hike. Too many people.
 
It will, but only when prices go up, and if more albergues turn down people who have their packs carried or use transport.
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
For many people the common experience is the most important thing. If it wasn´t - there would be just as many people walking the Oslo-Trondheim hike or the
St.Olav`s path from Selanger to Trondheim, or one of the many other hiking paths.
I wonder if you have walked any of the St Olav Ways? Certainly this comment would lead me to believe you haven't, but if you have it's just a little sad that you think of them as just a hiking path.
 
I'm writing the following without any positive or negative connotation, it's just an observation:
the Camino is a cheap holiday;
hiking is popular and the Caminos are included in many "top 10 of the world" lists or magazines such as National Geographic;
many want to visit Spain and Portugal;
cheap airfares make it possible to reach several towns in Spain and Portugal;
the mild winters make it an attractive year round destination, hiking is possible outside the summer season;
The trails are easy anough for newbies and untrained people;
Several books (Hape Kerkeling,..) have praised the Camino experience.

Nobody can calculate if there will be a turning point in general numbers. But from my (very limited) point of view, some of the busier caminos are already lacking to offer what people came from in the beginning.

Personally, I stopped seeing it as a spiritual experience and now see it merely as a hike. Too many people.
You make some very good observations. For me as a non-Catholic Christian, I do not see my Caminos as spiritual quests, but I so love and respect the religious quality of the paths with all the churches, from the smallest humble structures to the magnificent cathedrals. I look forward to seeing each and every one of them along the way. Do I think the Frances route is overly busy? Of course, but I choose to accept it as it is without grumbling...after all, I'm one of the 200,000+ (pilgrims/non-pilgrims) each year adding to its numbers and I do not feel guilty. The Camino gives back to me in great memories, special friendships and keeps my winter doldrums at bay in planning another. I take many other interesting and beautiful trips, but walking the Caminos are in a special category all their own.

(To the OP)...I don't see how the overuse of the path is so different than any other well known tourist destinations around the world, quite a few which I have visited. Overly busy, yes, but in spite of the crowds, I still feel fortunate to have seen these marvelous places and would not want to be excluded. Jesus' arms are open to all..."While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us".
 
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Yes I have walked from Oslo to Trondheim - the other hike is still on the bucket list. A wonderful trip. Sleeping outside most nights - cooking food on a fireplace. And not to forget - much harder than camino frances.
No one forgets that carrying a tent, all your food, cooking it, and sleeping outdoors is much harder than the Frances!
 
I walked the Camino Frances May 2016. It was a very busy May and almost all of the alberges were full every night, yet the roads were not packed with walkers. I was able to walk alone whenever I wanted and during those times I daydreamed, said prayers for loved ones, meditated, and took note of, and appreciated my surroundings. When I walked with people, I found most of them were there for spiritual, if not religious purposes. Even those who weren't were walking for a some reason, even though some couldn't quite put their finger on what it was. Some were walking simply because they enjoy trekking and the Camino is a Unesco World Heritage site. Aside from seeing shells or postcards in shops, I didn't notice a lot of commercialism until I got to Santiago. That being said, an even higher level of consumers and commercialism can be found at other religious sites (Rome, the Vatican, Florence) and they are able to retain their spiritual core. At first, I was a bit upset about the souvenir shops, but came to realize that some who do the CF, or any other Camino, may only have the opportunity to do this once in their lifetime. If they want to buy something that brings back Camino memories, who am I to judge? Salespeople overselling to people who are planning for a Camino is another matter, although I'm not sure that is strictly a Camino issue as that type will oversell regardless of what people are shopping for. I would like to see more appreciation for the hospitaleros. I think at the end of the day, some people are just tired and go into auto-pilot pilgrim mode. Not really rude, but a bit oblivious or indifferent to others. In the end, even if the number of pilgrims drops for some reason, the Camino excitement will continue for those who are drawn to the community and the connection - religious, spiritual or cultural.
 
At some point this will all die out - and people will find other places or activities to do. Lets be honest - how many met people that actually had spiritual or religious reasons(for lack of a better word) to walk "a" camino.
Let me try to put this in context; - Through the last few years there has been many people that have noticed the ever increasing number of "pilgrims". And let me give an example on another place. The last time I was in Jerusalem - a few years ago, I met some orthodox jews that were so tired of tourists -and as they said "Jerusalem is not a tourist place - it´s a religious place. And they continued - "people have lost sight of what is important - they come so they can say they have been there".
Rather harsh - but I got the point. And I have afterwards tried to remember that when I am out travelling.
Another point - On my last camino "and last" - I ran into a french guy that had a sign on his chest and on the backpack that both said Silent Camino - and another pilgrim told me that this guy never talks or walks with other pilgrims. Like going on silent retreat.
I know a lot of people will take offense to this post - but the camino is not an amusement park or an alternative to having a relationship. For many people the common experience is the most important thing. If it wasn´t - there would be just as many people walking the Oslo-Trondheim hike or the
St.Olav`s path from Selanger to Trondheim, or one of the many other hiking paths.

I walked the Camino by myself in May this year (2017) and I did not find it commercial at all. I found solace along the Way. Until I reached Santiago. There really were a lot of people there and I understand the commercialism there. I chose to avoid all of that and after receiving my Compostela and attending Mass at the Cathedral I found an albergue and retreated to the comforts that I had grown accustomed to along the Way. I continued on to coast and enjoyed every beautiful moment.
 
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I walked the Camino by myself in May this year (2017) and I did not find it commercial at all. I found solace along the Way. Until I reached Santiago. There really were a lot of people there and I understand the commercialism there. I chose to avoid all of that and after receiving my Compostela and attending Mass at the Cathedral I found an albergue and retreated to the comforts that I had grown accustomed to along the Way. I continued on to coast and enjoyed every beautiful moment.

I to walked my first Camino in May of this year and experienced the same as you. "The Way of St James" has been a pilgrimage route since the 10th century and for pilgrims it will always be there.
 
The Camino is very important to devout Catholics like me in that we believe the Catholic church is the church that Jesus started. We venerate St. James (Santiago in Spanish) because he was one of the three apostles present at the transfiguration of Jesus as described in the bible and one of the first apostles to be martyred. The fact that the remains in the Cathedral at Santiago may not actually be those of St. James is not the point, it is the intention for Catholics that counts. For me the El Camino Frances will be primarily a religious experience.

Please no religious debates on this forum, I will not respond to them, I am merely explaining why the El Camino is so important to devout Catholics. I respect all walkers in their journey on the El Camino and in fact my hiking buddy for the El Camino is an atheist, at least he will be at the beginning of his journey.
 
I think whatever our motivation,be that spiritual or otherwise, returns home feeling just that bit more enriched and invigorated than when they left. Something has changed but some just can't quiet put our finger on what. The Camino blesses each and every one of us in a different way. Some in this consumer driven materialistic world who maybe are not blessed with a strong faith or none come to a strange realisation that maybe there is more to life than just gratification.God works in hidden and diverse manners in men everywhere. He speaks to our very soul but most of the time we are too busy to listen. Going on the Camino I believe opens people up to God through fellowship. You never know the effect you may have on somebody never knock those who you may think go on the Camino for spurious reasons Jesus came to heal the sick not the healthy. You may just be the person he uses as his instrument today!
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I walked the CF this year starting 2 April and walking well into May. Especially in the early stages, I might see maybe three or four other pilgrims all day and sometimes none. Many times I was the only pilgrim staying in albergues or pensions because I stayed in small towns and didn't follow the Brierley stages. I was actually a bit disappointed that it was so quiet (apart from during semana santa) because the first time I walked was in Sept/Oct two years ago when there were far more pilgrims. I did get used to the loneliness and quietness and ended up enjoying it. I think it comes down to managing expectations as much as anything else.
In any case, everyone's camino is different, as evidenced by the varying opinions expressed on the forum. And for any first timers who may be reading this thread, don't worry. It's still a wonderful experience. You only have to look at the faces arriving at the cathedral or waiting in line at the pilgrim office to get confirmation that walking the camino is still an amazing achievement.
 
I think whatever our motivation,be that spiritual or otherwise, returns home feeling just that bit more enriched and invigorated than when they left. Something has changed but some just can't quiet put our finger on what. The Camino blesses each and every one of us in a different way. Some in this consumer driven materialistic world who maybe are not blessed with a strong faith or none come to a strange realisation that maybe there is more to life than just gratification.God works in hidden and diverse manners in men everywhere. He speaks to our very soul but most of the time we are too busy to listen. Going on the Camino I believe opens people up to God through fellowship. You never know the effect you may have on somebody never knock those who you may think go on the Camino for spurious reasons Jesus came to heal the sick not the healthy. You may just be the person he uses as his instrument today!
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Thank you for that Fr. you said that better than I could ever even imagine. I truly hope I meet some Irish people on the El Camino as I feel a special kinship to them as my paternal grand parents were from The Republic of Ireland. The priest in my home parish, St. Francis of Assisi in Sacramento CA, is from Dublin Ireland. His name is Fr. Desmond O'Reilly; we call him Fr. Des. He is content to take on all the responsibilities of the two priests of the Franciscan order he replaced one year ago all by himself and doesn't ask for any additional help. I respect him tremendously for that. For some reason he loves the weather here also, even when it gets over 100 F which has been happening a lot lately.

As for my atheist hiking companion, he may change his attitude on the camino I don't know, but I know I can't change him with a heavy hammer but only by example and perhaps some divine providence from the mojo of the camino. In either case I will continue to respect him as a human being.

As for me when I am hiking here in Northern California, often by myself, in an area of incredible beauty like Lake Tahoe, I say to myself this cannot all be by chance, it's just not possible.
 
Yes I have walked from Oslo to Trondheim - the other hike is still on the bucket list. A wonderful trip. Sleeping outside most nights - cooking food on a fireplace. And not to forget - much harder than camino frances.
I found my time walking the Gudbrandsdalen route much more conducive to quiet reflection than the CF. I didn't think I was too distracted from that by the different physical challenges that are presented. I plan to walk the St Olavsleden next year as a pilgrimage, so I guess that this is a useful reminder that I will meet others like you who are treating it merely as a long walk - I will heed your warning to expect that.
 
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At some point this will all die out - and people will find other places or activities to do. Lets be honest - how many met people that actually had spiritual or religious reasons(for lack of a better word) to walk "a" camino.
Let me try to put this in context; - Through the last few years there has been many people that have noticed the ever increasing number of "pilgrims". And let me give an example on another place. The last time I was in Jerusalem - a few years ago, I met some orthodox jews that were so tired of tourists -and as they said "Jerusalem is not a tourist place - it´s a religious place. And they continued - "people have lost sight of what is important - they come so they can say they have been there".
Rather harsh - but I got the point. And I have afterwards tried to remember that when I am out travelling.
Another point - On my last camino "and last" - I ran into a french guy that had a sign on his chest and on the backpack that both said Silent Camino - and another pilgrim told me that this guy never talks or walks with other pilgrims. Like going on silent retreat.
I know a lot of people will take offense to this post - but the camino is not an amusement park or an alternative to having a relationship. For many people the common experience is the most important thing. If it wasn´t - there would be just as many people walking the Oslo-Trondheim hike or the
St.Olav`s path from Selanger to Trondheim, or one of the many other hiking paths.
I think its just right amount of time hardship rewards and getting off the grid that it will be always a go to.
 
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At some point this will all die out - and people will find other places or activities to do.
I don't think so. If it gets too commercial, or too busy, fewer people will go. This will make it less busy, and the greediest merchants will go elsewhere. But it won't die out--it will reach a balance point. It may be that it levels out at a point that is still too busy for you (or me) but it won't die.
 
I don't think so. If it gets too commercial, or too busy, fewer people will go. This will make it less busy, and the greediest merchants will go elsewhere. But it won't die out--it will reach a balance point. It may be that it levels out at a point that is still too busy for you (or me) but it won't die.

True. We forget pilgrims walked long before we hit upon this Earth and prayerfully they'll be a walking long after we are dust.
 
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I've found estimates of the numbers of pilgrims arriving in Santiago during the Camino's medieval heyday in the 12th and 13th century of between 200,000 and half a million. And they would all have walked/rode to get there. It seems that we are only just reaching the numbers who travelled then.

The Camino endures.
 
I've found estimates of the numbers of pilgrims arriving in Santiago during the Camino's medieval heyday in the 12th and 13th century of between 200,000 and half a million. And they would all have walked/rode to get there. It seems that we are only just reaching the numbers who travelled then.

I do not doubt your numbers @Kanga but I am not convinced that the experiences of medieval and modern pilgrims are readily comparable. In the 12th and 13th centuries it is unlikely that the great majority of pilgrims made their journey along one very specific waymarked path as they do today. I think they would have been scattered more widely over the countryside on a broader network of paths. I've often thought that pilgrims are like manure: a fine thing which enriches the land when spread thinly but something of a eyesore and a trial for the senses when piled up in one great heap.
 
I do not doubt your numbers @Kanga but I am not convinced that the experiences of medieval and modern pilgrims are readily comparable. In the 12th and 13th centuries it is unlikely that the great majority of pilgrims made their journey along one very specific waymarked path as they do today. I think they would have been scattered more widely over the countryside on a broader network of paths. I've often thought that pilgrims are like manure: a fine thing which enriches the land when spread thinly but something of a eyesore and a trial for the senses when piled up in one great heap.

There were defined routes in the 12th century - "The Codex Calixtinus is a XII-century manuscript jewel, considered the first and most famous guide to the Camino of Santiago."
 
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At some point this will all die out - and people will find other places or activities to do. Lets be honest - how many met people that actually had spiritual or religious reasons(for lack of a better word) to walk "a" camino.
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That may possibly be true at some point in the future but certainly not in my lifetime or, more precisely, "... in the lifetime of my legs." I plan on walking at least one pilgrimage every year, although they won't all end in Santiago. My walks are "pilgrimages" though and they all have some spiritual and religious reason behind them as well as physical and social aspects. While individual people may grow tired of walking caminos and many are happy doing only one before finding something else to do, there will always be a large number of new pilgrims coming of age ready to walk these fantastic paths and experience the wonderful caminos.
 
My thing is this - why do we have to analyse everything - the camino is whatever you want it to be - those that we meet along the way who are disrespectful to others and the surroundings are put there - as one pilgrim said to me on my very first camino in 2012 - to show us how not to behave - so maybe our good example can rub off on them - the camino will never die but some will find other things to do and enjoy in their life. For me I want to go and walk, enjoy the creation around me, meet wonderful people who want to walk a mile or two with me and leave some of life's blessings with those I encounter. Does it matter that there are too many on the path that day or too few or whatever - just be grateful that you have been so blessed to be able to walk the paths.
 
My thing is this - why do we have to analyse everything - the camino is whatever you want it to be - those that we meet along the way who are disrespectful to others and the surroundings are put there - as one pilgrim said to me on my very first camino in 2012 - to show us how not to behave - so maybe our good example can rub off on them - the camino will never die but some will find other things to do and enjoy in their life. For me I want to go and walk, enjoy the creation around me, meet wonderful people who want to walk a mile or two with me and leave some of life's blessings with those I encounter. Does it matter that there are too many on the path that day or too few or whatever - just be grateful that you have been so blessed to be able to walk the paths.

Yes. Thanks for this.
 
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Let's just concentrate on the present-day camino(s) and their future and let the past be the past :cool:.

You are probably referring to the last chapter of the Codex Calixtinus, today widely known and touted as a medieval pilgrim's guide. Did you know that it was totally unknown until sometime in the late 1800s and became known to a wider public only from 1938 or so? Medieval pilgrims did not know about it. Notabene: I am referring to the last chapter of the CC, not to its other chapters, some of which were widely known and frequently copied during the Middle Ages.

Yes, there were roads in the Middle Ages in and between Spain, Italy and France. Even in Roman times. But pilgrims didn't follow yellow arrows and trotted one behind the other on a fixed trail as they do today. There are many traces of this past to the right and left - near and far - of the Camino Frances but very few seem to know let alone notice. What we know as Caminos today does not represent the ancient pilgrimage paths to Santiago de Compostela - it was a much larger net of roads and paths.


Well to answer the original question we need to consider the birth and life of the Way of St James to fully understand how it has endured for so many years and will IMHO continue to endure.

Yes I was referring to the 5th book in which I believe, and please correct me if I am wrong, there were 4 main routes all of which arrived at Puenta la Reina and then followed in the general direction of where the way is today to Santiago. Whether medieval pilgrims knew of the Codex Calixtinus is not important. The routes were known and used before it was written and the Codex Calixtinus recorded those routes
 
Thank you for that Fr. you said that better than I could ever even imagine. I truly hope I meet some Irish people on the El Camino as I feel a special kinship to them as my paternal grand parents were from The Republic of Ireland. The priest in my home parish, St. Francis of Assisi in Sacramento CA, is from Dublin Ireland. His name is Fr. Desmond O'Reilly; we call him Fr. Des. He is content to take on all the responsibilities of the two priests of the Franciscan order he replaced one year ago all by himself and doesn't ask for any additional help. I respect him tremendously for that. For some reason he loves the weather here also, even when it gets over 100 F which has been happening a lot lately.

As for my atheist hiking companion, he may change his attitude on the camino I don't know, but I know I can't change him with a heavy hammer but only by example and perhaps some divine providence from the mojo of the camino. In either case I will continue to respect him as a human being.

As for me when I am hiking here in Northern California, often by myself, in an area of incredible beauty like Lake Tahoe, I say to myself this cannot all be by chance, it's just not possible.
Thank you about your kind comments about Irish people it has been proved that (West of Ireland predominantly) we are more closely related genetically to Galician/Basque people than any other grouping.Its no wonder that per head of population we are so attracted to walking the Camino on that evidence :). When you have lived in Ireland (Gods own country) you have to contend with rain at times no wonder Fr Des likes the heat. Bet he takes to it like a cat to a radiator. I am not a priest by the way but I like to think I have a strong belief in God.
I never try to shove my beliefs on anybody else either,I fully accept people where they are in their lives I just do my thing when on Camino. Don't look for a road to Damascus type moment for your friend, perhaps it is just a good hike and holiday for him. That said I think something slowly sinks into our psyche and it is only when we get home that our Camino experience takes on a richness and meaning.
 
I've found estimates of the numbers of pilgrims arriving in Santiago during the Camino's medieval heyday in the 12th and 13th century of between 200,000 and half a million. And they would all have walked/rode to get there. It seems that we are only just reaching the numbers who travelled then.

The Camino endures.
In medieval times long distant pilgrimages were a very expensive undertaking especially from a land locked country like Ireland. We are lucky enough to have at least 2 recorded pilgrimages by Waterford's first citizen the Mayor of Waterford James Rice in the 1400's. It was a 2250 km journey by boat no mean feat back then especially on the Atlantic. The return journey by boat would have been the equivalent of 3 months wages so you would have to be a person of monetary substance to do it. He would have taken the English way starting in Corunna we expect walking on foot from there.Most pilgrims spent the night in a vigil within the cathedral in front of the high altar. The next day pilgrims attended mass and during the ceremony they presented their offerings. Pilgrims would also have made confession and obtained certificates of pilgrimage in the Capilla del Rey de Francia. There are no records detailing James experiences but he must have visited the relics of the saint and perhaps even purchased some souvenirs. From the 12th century scallop shells were sold to pilgrims in the cathedral square and a small number have been found in Irish medieval burials..We still have his silver Camino cloak pin which is on display in city hall. When he died he was installed in a very sobering tomb which can still be seen today An elaborately carved cadaver lies on top the tomb. It is wrapped in a shroud knotted at the head and feet which has fallen open.
Frogs and toads are emerging from the body which is surrounded by a Latin inscription that translates as

Here lies ‘James Rice,one time citizen of this city,founder of this chapel,and Catherine Broun, his wife.

Whoever you may be, passerby, Stop, weep as you read. I am what you are going to be, and I was what you are.

I beg of you, pray for me ! It is our lot to pass through the jaws of death.

Lord Christ, we beg of thee, we implore thee, be merciful to us!

Thou who has come to redeem the lost condemn not the redeemed.

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Just thought I would share this piece of local but also Camino history with you as it puts things in perspective as what people had to do to get there.
 
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I know that in 1996 the remains of an Augustinian monastery graveyard were uncovered in Mullingar (Co Westmeath) while a site was being excavated for a new development. The scallop shell was discovered with some of the burials - dating from 1227 to 1540. It's difficult to imagine the journey that the friars would have undertaken from the very middle of Ireland, to the coast, across the seas, to Galicia and onto Santiago.......and back!! Humbling to think that we walk in shoes of all those who have gone before us, and pave the way for all those who follow in our footsteps.

Is our excitement, sense of achievement, relief any more or less than the feelings that must have washed over pilgrims all through the ages? The logistics may be easier, but it is likely more difficult for many to carve out the time. The Camino challenges all who are called, it costs (not just in monetary terms), it takes a toll......but it gives, and gives, and gives.

The Camino has endured, and will endure, but will change to reflect changes in the world around us.
 
I apologise if I speak out of turn .... I am not longer catholic nor religious ... however I offer this opinion ... if one believes in a God .... a religion ... then how can it be WE who decide what one learns or experiences as a pilgrimage ....
we ALL can start a journey with our own ideas , beliefs etc BUT if one believes in God ... isn't it God who sees into each individual and sees what they need , why they are there , what they need to learn ....

The sanctimonious may believe that the Camino is reserved for them ... who can say what God has in store for any one of us
 
At some point this will all die out - and people will find other places or activities to do.

Well, people have been walking to Santiago for over a thousand years, and to Jerusalem for at least 2,500, so I'm not sure about the accuracy of your assessment.

As for the religious tourism element, that too has existed since Mediaeval times.

One simply has to accept that other pilgrims may have motivations on the Way that one does not agree with. This simply does not make their reasons inferior to one's own.
 
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In the 12th and 13th centuries it is unlikely that the great majority of pilgrims made their journey along one very specific waymarked path as they do today.

Apart from the fact that the broader network of pathways both existed and exists, it is well known that Mediaeval pilgrims did indeed follow specific routes and that they were clearly waymarked -- just not with yellow arrows, but with little piles of stones called montjoyes.

The difference between the highway and a footpath, you have to remember, is a modern invention of the 20th Century. Mediaeval pilgrims didn't need special aids or Brierlys or little yellow arrows to find the right hiking surfaces, all they had to do was follow the normal roads and information from the locals.
 
Well, there's camino as in road and there's camino as in contemporary pilgrimage.

There's been roads between say Leon, Astorga and Santiago for a long time (to Santiago not so long because it's a much younger establishment than Leon and Astorga) and I don't think the OP refers to them and they are not in danger of disappearing although of course they've changed their appearance and even their exact course over time and continue to do so.

As to the other camino: I'm not so sure that it has lived or will live forever. There's a line of thought that the current camino pilgrimage is a "reanimation" of the medieval pilgrimages which are gone forever. In a sense even, that the current camino pilgrimage is the result of having been given a new "animus", a new "soul". I think it is worth considering. I understand the OP as an invitation to do so, not as a rant about current conditions. What has made it such a success, has given it such a mass appeal and is there a danger of losing it.


Just splitting hairs here –in the context of this discussion “Camino” means “Way” as in El Camino de Santiago – The Way of St James. I understand the difference between those that choose to follow the path for pilgrimage or for other reasons – I met one man who told me he was doing it for “the joy of life”. For me it was a pilgrimage for religious reasons but at the same time it was also a beautiful walk. I cannot ever imagine a time when either the pilgrimage or the joy of walking will cease to be.
 
Some estimates of the Saint's popularity claim that as many as one million pilgrims a year visited the tomb, although numbers in the thousands seem more likely.

The million number is completely dwarfed by present figures, including all pilgrims not just foot, bicycle, etc ones, but also all of those making the pilgrimage by motor transport.

The "thousands" number is unrealistically low, and is clearly a product of some revisionist desires. Even in the 18th and early 19th Centuries there were thousands.
Unlike today, medieval pilgrims did not all pile up on the Camino Frances in their majority.

In fact, the Francès -- including in its Primitivo and Norte and other variants -- has consistently been the greatly most travelled route to Santiago.

I'm not at all sure what the purpose of that sort of revisionism might be, since we can see with our own eyes what half a million people on the Camino and millions making the religious and/or foot/bike/etc and motor/tourist/etc pilgrimage to Compostela actually looks like. There are significantly more pilgrims to Santiago now than there have ever been at any previous point in History.
 
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It's hostel system has made its way onto the Appalachian trail as well as the pacific trail. The non camping part and the hostels themselves were an experience all to themselves
 
My thing is this - why do we have to analyse everything - the camino is whatever you want it to be

With nothing but respect, which is to say of course that there's certainly validity in your point, I disagree.

The Camino isn't simply what you want it to be, but it is also what others have made of it, and what everyone shares of it, and even what others may desire it to become for you.

A core paradox of the Camino is that we are simultaneously alone and all together. The spiritual experience of the Camino can certainly be radically solitary - but the communal, and the "Camino family", and the religious experiences proper (because religion is always a group event or activity) don't fade away even in the event of that kind of sheer radicality (and I speak from hard experience).
 
You are probably referring to the last chapter of the Codex Calixtinus, today widely known and touted as a medieval pilgrim's guide. Did you know that it was totally unknown until sometime in the late 1800s and became known to a wider public only from 1938 or so? Medieval pilgrims did not know about it.

Again sorry, dearest Kathar1na, to disagree again with you -- whilst the Codex in question was rather obscure, you're not acknowledging the multitude of manuscript descriptions of various pilgrim routes that are well-known to exist. I have three or four of them reprinted in books just on my own personal bookshelves.

You know, there used to be a kind of epistolary Mediaeval & Renaissance Camino community, much in function like this very forum, and people would send copies of itineraries to friends wanting to go on pilgrimage, and you could go to the local Pilgrims Confraternity to seek for information and assistance and advice on how to get your Credencial, in essence -- if not in speed nor ease of communication -- quite like what we ourselves do in here today.

The Camino has changed since then in aspects that really are fairly superficial -- except of course for the surface improvements to the route itself.
 
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In medieval times long distant pilgrimages were a very expensive undertaking

Well yes and no, just as things are today. ;)

But it was very common for pilgrims to leave home with nothing much more than the clothes on their backs, some provisions for a few days, some small amount or nil of coinage, in penitential desire to depend upon the Grace of God for the success of their undertaking.

There have always been wealthier and poorer pilgrims, as well as those who for religious motivations seek to destitute themselves (or who were required as an Act of Penitence to do so) along the Way.

And whilst some, quite understandably, might view the Camino as a luxury or as a holiday, never have either of these been its more fundamental nature.
 
In 1994, I read a book about the Camino by a friend of a friend and thought, "I'm going to do that some day."

I come from a line of very religious people, although I and my immediate family had abandoned all those beliefs by then. I had recently been a religion reporter at a newspaper, though, took the job seriously (no church suppers, more theology, doctrine and coverage of inter-faith stops and starts), and gained a lot from learning about various faiths. I was reporting in a predominantly Roman Catholic part of the country, with a very liberal bishop and an increasingly conservative hierarchy (recognizing that those labels can be superficial), and it was an interesting job.

Though I had gone through the "catechism" process that Methodists had established at my boyhood church, learning about Catholicism was the "Big Leagues". :) But it was the "small-c" Catholicism that was lived by so many parishioners in that area (even the lapsed ones) that had the most profound effect on me. There was something innately "good" about it, without seeking attention or approval. Sticks with me.

In 2010, I suffered a serious illness that left me paralyzed for months, on a ventilator and feeding tube for two months, at one point unable to even blink to communicate simple 'yes' or 'no' answers. I think the common imagined response to that is to want to 'hurry up and get on with what you've been missing'. My reaction was the opposite: I wanted everything slowed down. More profound than 'stop and smell the roses'. More like some kind of desire to be the rose, if that makes any sense.

In 2011, still recovering, I hobbled through Paris and Rome. Paris first - the Louvre, d'Orsay, the Left Bank! Great trip. Rome was to be just more of a fun thing to do with an old college chum. What's the fascination with all these old churches, anyway?

As anyone that's been there knows, the 'old churches' are... beyond powerful. Caravaggio, Bernini, Michelangelo; the relics and the indulgences; the frescoes that explain it all, reading and writing skills not required; the stone country churches and the local saints. Incredible. (Shout out to Saint Fina of San Gimignano!)

But by far the biggest impact of that Italy trip was a couple of days spent in a small walled city outside Siena, visiting with a couple my friend knew from the husband's work in the States. He spoke English well, his wife was an American expat, but the people I met through them did not speak English. I do not speak Italian.

On our first night in town, we went to one of those church suppers I disdained as a journalist with seemingly the entire community. Our English-speaking friend told of how an officious-seeming woman we were watching speak to the new, young priest had succeeded in convincing him to remove an old stone-walled basin (possibly large baptismal font) from the tiny courtyard in order to make room for another picnic table. Soon after, alarmed locals presented 15th-century drawings of the church - and the font - to the city fathers, who ordered its restoration, and the priest restored it. "Did they use the same stones?" I asked. "Some," my friend smiled.

After those couple of days, I split from my friend and ventured through other parts of Italy, interacting with no one who spoke English. Everyone I came across was eager to help me find my way and meet my needs. It may have been seeing a disabled man struggling with too much luggage, but I think it was more.

I don't know what all that means, but it is kind of my own mysterious religious parable. I knew that I wanted to get to small towns in other places and meet people from other lands. It counteracts some of the trends we see in the West today, where the fierce tribalism of the early Christian Old Testament is overtaking the more inclusive, tolerant and interconnected New Testament ideas.

Three years ago, my company gave up on my recovery (my doctors had given up some months before, but my company had gone the extra mile) and fired me. I was not able to return to full-time and my job really required it, and I was not as effective even during the reduced hours I was working.

I can walk with orthotics, but nerve damage everywhere has left me somewhat hobbled and weak. I have fatigue from the illness and some cognitive issues (from the drug treatment or the insufficient oxygen provided by the ventilator -- doctors say either could be the culprit). I stay active, but my legs get numb and I can freeze up physically after stopping to rest. I'm basically at the neuropathy level I see at my octogenarian parents' retirement community. To write this post, I had to look up what I would consider some pretty simple words, and you surely would not want me doing your taxes for you in the mid-afternoon, or, if I'm honest with myself, at all (this might be a US-only metaphor - our income tax laws and forms are ridiculously complicated).

I am not sure whether I will be able to complete this Camino. I feel bad about referring to "gear shopping" in another thread, and I do believe that is not in concert with the traditions, but I have to lug a CPAP and some back-up CPAP and orthotics parts, and I really do need to find lighter stuff and shoes that can withstand 800km and the relentless stress of the connection to the orthotic devices.

In a lot of ways, I am the "crowd" that has descended upon The Way rather than a "True Pilgrim", but I am looking forward to remaining slowed down and finding out what I find out. I expect that I will be immersed in the small-c Catholicism that underlies the faith. And True Pilgrims. And tourists.

Can't wait!
 
I bet you anything every last one of us were medieval pilgrims back at it now. Not that I'm saying I wholeheartedly believe in reincarnation. However, we complained then, we're complaining now, and if Jesus tarries 2000 years hence we will hue and cry: "where are the true pilgrims, experience, albergues, etc". Buen camino to we repeat offenders, past hundreds of years ago, present again and again, and future hundreds of years on.
See you on the way in 3,588.
 
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In 1994, I read a book about the Camino by a friend of a friend and thought, "I'm going to do that some day."

I come from a line of very religious people, although I and my immediate family had abandoned all those beliefs by then. I had recently been a religion reporter at a newspaper, though, took the job seriously (no church suppers, more theology, doctrine and coverage of inter-faith stops and starts), and gained a lot from learning about various faiths. I was reporting in a predominantly Roman Catholic part of the country, with a very liberal bishop and an increasingly conservative hierarchy (recognizing that those labels can be superficial), and it was an interesting job.

Though I had gone through the "catechism" process that Methodists had established at my boyhood church, learning about Catholicism was the "Big Leagues". :) But it was the "small-c" Catholicism that was lived by so many parishioners in that area (even the lapsed ones) that had the most profound effect on me. There was something innately "good" about it, without seeking attention or approval. Sticks with me.

In 2010, I suffered a serious illness that left me paralyzed for months, on a ventilator and feeding tube for two months, at one point unable to even blink to communicate simple 'yes' or 'no' answers. I think the common imagined response to that is to want to 'hurry up and get on with what you've been missing'. My reaction was the opposite: I wanted everything slowed down. More profound than 'stop and smell the roses'. More like some kind of desire to be the rose, if that makes any sense.

In 2011, still recovering, I hobbled through Paris and Rome. Paris first - the Louvre, d'Orsay, the Left Bank! Great trip. Rome was to be just more of a fun thing to do with an old college chum. What's the fascination with all these old churches, anyway?

As anyone that's been there knows, the 'old churches' are... beyond powerful. Caravaggio, Bernini, Michelangelo; the relics and the indulgences; the frescoes that explain it all, reading and writing skills not required; the stone country churches and the local saints. Incredible. (Shout out to Saint Fina of San Gimignano!)

But by far the biggest impact of that Italy trip was a couple of days spent in a small walled city outside Siena, visiting with a couple my friend knew from the husband's work in the States. He spoke English well, his wife was an American expat, but the people I met through them did not speak English. I do not speak Italian.

On our first night in town, we went to one of those church suppers I disdained as a journalist with seemingly the entire community. Our English-speaking friend told of how an officious-seeming woman we were watching speak to the new, young priest had succeeded in convincing him to remove an old stone-walled basin (possibly large baptismal font) from the tiny courtyard in order to make room for another picnic table. Soon after, alarmed locals presented 15th-century drawings of the church - and the font - to the city fathers, who ordered its restoration, and the priest restored it. "Did they use the same stones?" I asked. "Some," my friend smiled.

After those couple of days, I split from my friend and ventured through other parts of Italy, interacting with no one who spoke English. Everyone I came across was eager to help me find my way and meet my needs. It may have been seeing a disabled man struggling with too much luggage, but I think it was more.

I don't know what all that means, but it is kind of my own mysterious religious parable. I knew that I wanted to get to small towns in other places and meet people from other lands. It counteracts some of the trends we see in the West today, where the fierce tribalism of the early Christian Old Testament is overtaking the more inclusive, tolerant and interconnected New Testament ideas.

Three years ago, my company gave up on my recovery (my doctors had given up some months before, but my company had gone the extra mile) and fired me. I was not able to return to full-time and my job really required it, and I was not as effective even during the reduced hours I was working.

I can walk with orthotics, but nerve damage everywhere has left me somewhat hobbled and weak. I have fatigue from the illness and some cognitive issues (from the drug treatment or the insufficient oxygen provided by the ventilator -- doctors say either could be the culprit). I stay active, but my legs get numb and I can freeze up physically after stopping to rest. I'm basically at the neuropathy level I see at my octogenarian parents' retirement community. To write this post, I had to look up what I would consider some pretty simple words, and you surely would not want me doing your taxes for you in the mid-afternoon, or, if I'm honest with myself, at all (this might be a US-only metaphor - our income tax laws and forms are ridiculously complicated).

I am not sure whether I will be able to complete this Camino. I feel bad about referring to "gear shopping" in another thread, and I do believe that is not in concert with the traditions, but I have to lug a CPAP and some back-up CPAP and orthotics parts, and I really do need to find lighter stuff and shoes that can withstand 800km and the relentless stress of the connection to the orthotic devices.

In a lot of ways, I am the "crowd" that has descended upon The Way rather than a "True Pilgrim", but I am looking forward to remaining slowed down and finding out what I find out. I expect that I will be immersed in the small-c Catholicism that underlies the faith. And True Pilgrims. And tourists.

Can't wait!
Thank you that was very refreshing and honest. Sometimes we truly sweat the small stuff that in comparison to what you are going through is insignificant.Sometimes we need to get over ourselves and as you say not just smell the Rose but be the Rose. We spend a lot of time trying to impress others but truly who are we impressing. Others are only a mirror image of ourselves trying to impress somebody else it's like a vicious circle.The Camino is for everybody and nobody it doesn't pick and choose. The essence of the Camino is fundamentally christian but like Jesus it embraces everyone 'let them come'. Lets not try to own the Camino but share it because that is what it does. Thank you again for sharing this it is raw and it is beautiful all at the same time.
 
In a lot of ways, I am the "crowd" that has descended upon The Way rather than a "True Pilgrim", but I am looking forward to remaining slowed down and finding out what I find out. I expect that I will be immersed in the small-c Catholicism that underlies the faith. And True Pilgrims. And tourists.

Wow, tjb, thank you for sharing with us so openly about the tough journey you've been on - it's been great to hear what you've learned as you've had to re-build your health. The Camino is for you, and for me. In a sense it's wonderful that it's so accessible these days that all of us - at all walks of life, ages, with varying degrees of physical strength and needed equipment - can travel it. Sometimes we're guilty of believing that only people who meet our criteria "deserve" to be on the Camino (I'm guilty of this myself sometimes), and sadly this mindset trickles down to where we now have you, tjb, believing yourself to be part of that undeserving "crowd" instead of embracing the journey ahead with confidence, and with the support that we want and need to be giving you, our fellow sojourner. Your comment made me reflect a bit and honestly, when I walk the Camino, I am at times "True Pilgrim," at times part of the noisy "crowd", and definitely at times "tourist." I hope you never feel like you have to live up to anyone else's standards of what your time on the Camino should look like (except, of course, walking the last 100km for spiritual reasons if you want a Compostela :) ). All that to say...hope you continue to heal and hope the Camino is a very rich time for you. Thanks again for sharing your story.
Buen Camino,
Faith
 
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..., but I have to lug a CPAP and some back-up CPAP and orthotics parts, and I really do need to find lighter stuff and shoes that can withstand 800km and the relentless stress of the connection to the orthotic devices.
I've seen a couple of people pulling trailers. One guy built a trailer exactly the width of a wheelchair to check whether he could bring his friend next year. A couple of others were purchased. Some had belt and/or shoulder harnesses.
 
I've seen a couple of people pulling trailers. One guy built a trailer exactly the width of a wheelchair to check whether he could bring his friend next year.

I love it! Gives me a chance to say that I don't want to overdramatize what I am facing now. I am very fortunate.

A few months after I got out of the hospital in 2010, when I really could go only about 100 feet on crutches with the help of an attendant, I went to see a Willie Nelson concert.

I had imagined that I might get picked out of the crowd and recognized for my effort, an illusion that was shattered immediately upon arriving at the venue and spotting a half dozen people who had a far tougher time getting around than I did, even back then. And they all seemed so happy to be there, not grimacing about, or seeming to contemplate, their mobility issues.

That's not to say that I don't truly appreciate all the kind words, though. Buen Camino!
 
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I tried to talk my blind friend into coming, when it was actually possible. Now she's on dialysis three times a week.
 
Sometimes we're guilty of believing that only people who meet our criteria "deserve" to be on the Camino (I'm guilty of this myself sometimes), and sadly this mindset trickles down to where we now have you, tjb, believing yourself to be part of that undeserving "crowd" instead of embracing the journey ahead with confidence, and with the support that we want and need to be giving you, our fellow sojourner. Your comment made me reflect a bit and honestly, when I walk the Camino, I am at times "True Pilgrim," at times part of the noisy "crowd", and definitely at times "tourist.

I think he is doing both .... perhaps believing he is part of the undeserving crowd while also embracing the journey ahead .

I always wonder who in fact is getting the real lesson ..... those that judge or those that are judged by others ...

It is true that the Camino throng can get loud and people can forget that others may see it as a true pilgrimage to .... whatever .... respectful participation is what is missing at times by a few not all ......
BUT that goes for being a " visitor" anywhere , in any land , if any tradition . I have seen visitors in countries behave so disrespectfully to the people and traditions in some countries on my travels . Why go anywhere if not able to respect the ways of the people or learn .
I have also observed people who believed themselves to be true pilgrims be disrespectful and demanding on the Camino .

I don't really know why I walked the Camino last year .... I just knew something was telling me I had to .

I don't fully understand what I gained and learnt ..... lessons from the Camino still unfold in my life .... I just know it did have a profound effect ....

So was it a " pilgrimage " ?
Who am I to say ?
Perhaps God has the answer to that .
Perhaps the answer lies in the lessons unfolding in my life long since I returned .
Do I want to go again ? YES!
I won't let judgements put me off.

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I tried to talk my blind friend into coming, when it was actually possible. Now she's on dialysis three times a week.
I saw a blind man walking with a friend .... he fully participated with the help of his friend... the one with sight telling the other what he could see...

It made me reflect that we are all blind to something ... watching this interaction opened my eyes to the beauty of the interaction ....
 
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I love it! Gives me a chance to say that I don't want to overdramatize what I am facing now. I am very fortunate.

A few months after I got out of the hospital in 2010, when I really could go only about 100 feet on crutches with the help of an attendant, I went to see a Willie Nelson concert.

I had imagined that I might get picked out of the crowd and recognized for my effort, an illusion that was shattered immediately upon arriving at the venue and spotting a half dozen people who had a far tougher time getting around than I did, even back then. And they all seemed so happy to be there, not grimacing about, or seeming to contemplate, their mobility issues.

That's not to say that I don't truly appreciate all the kind words, though. Buen Camino!

Your writing is very insightful because if your " journey " and isn't it a fascinating observation when we realise there are others who are worse off . I do not mean that in a flippant way .

Thank you for sharing your private story .... it is a kind thing to do ... even though you yourself might not see it that way .
 
It's hostel system has made its way onto the Appalachian trail as well as the pacific trail. The non camping part and the hostels themselves were an experience all to themselves

As someone who has thru hiked the Pacific Crest Trail, I never saw any hostels. In fact, the trail is mostly far removed from virtually any town or city, requiring, in most cases, lengthy hitchhiking trips from trail-heads into towns along the way in order to resupply oneself over the 2650 mile length of the trail.

The Appalachian Trail, however, is quite different from the PCT in that it has a quite frequent interaction with towns.
 
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@tjb1013 a fabulous post, thank you. Please keep us informed on how you are going, by posting again perhaps with a link to this thread, because I am sure that many of us will be cheering you on. And maybe even some of our members will be keeping you company on the path when you walk.
You can use the pack carrying services if you need to. The majority of able-bodied seem to do so these days.
 
As someone who has thru hikes the Pacific Crest Trail, I never saw any hostels. In fact, the trail is mostly far removed from virtually any town or city, requiring, in most cases, lengthy hitchhiking trips from trail-heads into towns along the way in order to resupply oneself over the 2650 mile length of the trail.

The Appalachian Trail, however, is quite different from the PCT in that it has a quite frequent interaction with towns.
Primitive huts and a few b&b...
 
...For some the excitement may die... These people, in my opinion, are the ones that carry excitement on their sleeves and can brush excitement off like lint off a dark colored sweater.
For others walking a Camino creates a passion which burns within them for a lifetime...
 
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Where are the B&Bs? None on the PCT. And the few huts are not hostels☺
I guess I get my videos all mixed up, I watch a lot of documentaries so I concede the US TRAILS. It is actually what was so attractive about the Camino is the hostels. Onward!!
 
I saw a blind man walking with a friend .... he fully participated with the help of his friend... the one with sight telling the other what he could see...
Yes, that's the way it could have been. Too late now. However, I did get her to go to England with her daughter.
 
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As someone who has thru hiked the Pacific Crest Trail, I never saw any hostels. In fact, the trail is mostly far removed from virtually any town or city, requiring, in most cases, lengthy hitchhiking trips from trail-heads into towns along the way in order to resupply oneself over the 2650 mile length of the trail.

My impression was that some secondary, easier, variant routes along the PCT provided some marginally better access to some facilities and a slightly greater number of towns as compared to the route proper. Is that mistaken ?

The Via Alpina (that I'll never hike) starts/ends practically right where I live, and there are shelters (rather than hostels) along the way, as well as variant routes for times when you may need to get down into a valley and a town or village for resupplies or for time & difficulty related reasons. Of course, the Alps are far more populous than the Rockies, and quite a few of these shelters can be a bit hostel-like ...
 
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In 1994, I read a book about the Camino by a friend of a friend and thought, "I'm going to do that some day."

I come from a line of very religious people, although I and my immediate family had abandoned all those beliefs by then. I had recently been a religion reporter at a newspaper, though, took the job seriously (no church suppers, more theology, doctrine and coverage of inter-faith stops and starts), and gained a lot from learning about various faiths. I was reporting in a predominantly Roman Catholic part of the country, with a very liberal bishop and an increasingly conservative hierarchy (recognizing that those labels can be superficial), and it was an interesting job.

Though I had gone through the "catechism" process that Methodists had established at my boyhood church, learning about Catholicism was the "Big Leagues". :) But it was the "small-c" Catholicism that was lived by so many parishioners in that area (even the lapsed ones) that had the most profound effect on me. There was something innately "good" about it, without seeking attention or approval. Sticks with me.

In 2010, I suffered a serious illness that left me paralyzed for months, on a ventilator and feeding tube for two months, at one point unable to even blink to communicate simple 'yes' or 'no' answers. I think the common imagined response to that is to want to 'hurry up and get on with what you've been missing'. My reaction was the opposite: I wanted everything slowed down. More profound than 'stop and smell the roses'. More like some kind of desire to be the rose, if that makes any sense.

In 2011, still recovering, I hobbled through Paris and Rome. Paris first - the Louvre, d'Orsay, the Left Bank! Great trip. Rome was to be just more of a fun thing to do with an old college chum. What's the fascination with all these old churches, anyway?

As anyone that's been there knows, the 'old churches' are... beyond powerful. Caravaggio, Bernini, Michelangelo; the relics and the indulgences; the frescoes that explain it all, reading and writing skills not required; the stone country churches and the local saints. Incredible. (Shout out to Saint Fina of San Gimignano!)

But by far the biggest impact of that Italy trip was a couple of days spent in a small walled city outside Siena, visiting with a couple my friend knew from the husband's work in the States. He spoke English well, his wife was an American expat, but the people I met through them did not speak English. I do not speak Italian.

On our first night in town, we went to one of those church suppers I disdained as a journalist with seemingly the entire community. Our English-speaking friend told of how an officious-seeming woman we were watching speak to the new, young priest had succeeded in convincing him to remove an old stone-walled basin (possibly large baptismal font) from the tiny courtyard in order to make room for another picnic table. Soon after, alarmed locals presented 15th-century drawings of the church - and the font - to the city fathers, who ordered its restoration, and the priest restored it. "Did they use the same stones?" I asked. "Some," my friend smiled.

After those couple of days, I split from my friend and ventured through other parts of Italy, interacting with no one who spoke English. Everyone I came across was eager to help me find my way and meet my needs. It may have been seeing a disabled man struggling with too much luggage, but I think it was more.

I don't know what all that means, but it is kind of my own mysterious religious parable. I knew that I wanted to get to small towns in other places and meet people from other lands. It counteracts some of the trends we see in the West today, where the fierce tribalism of the early Christian Old Testament is overtaking the more inclusive, tolerant and interconnected New Testament ideas.

Three years ago, my company gave up on my recovery (my doctors had given up some months before, but my company had gone the extra mile) and fired me. I was not able to return to full-time and my job really required it, and I was not as effective even during the reduced hours I was working.

I can walk with orthotics, but nerve damage everywhere has left me somewhat hobbled and weak. I have fatigue from the illness and some cognitive issues (from the drug treatment or the insufficient oxygen provided by the ventilator -- doctors say either could be the culprit). I stay active, but my legs get numb and I can freeze up physically after stopping to rest. I'm basically at the neuropathy level I see at my octogenarian parents' retirement community. To write this post, I had to look up what I would consider some pretty simple words, and you surely would not want me doing your taxes for you in the mid-afternoon, or, if I'm honest with myself, at all (this might be a US-only metaphor - our income tax laws and forms are ridiculously complicated).

I am not sure whether I will be able to complete this Camino. I feel bad about referring to "gear shopping" in another thread, and I do believe that is not in concert with the traditions, but I have to lug a CPAP and some back-up CPAP and orthotics parts, and I really do need to find lighter stuff and shoes that can withstand 800km and the relentless stress of the connection to the orthotic devices.

In a lot of ways, I am the "crowd" that has descended upon The Way rather than a "True Pilgrim", but I am looking forward to remaining slowed down and finding out what I find out. I expect that I will be immersed in the small-c Catholicism that underlies the faith. And True Pilgrims. And tourists.

Can't wait!
And I can't wait to meet up with you (hopefully) on the paths that lie ahead -buen camino
 
My impression was that some secondary, easier, variant routes along the PCT provided some marginally better access to some facilities and a slightly greater number of towns as compared to the route proper. Is that mistaken ?

The Via Alpina (that I'll never hike) starts/ends practically right where I live, and there are shelters (rather than hostels) along the way, as well as variant routes for times when you may need to get down into a valley and a town or village for resupplies or for time & difficulty related reasons. Of course, the Alps are far more populous than the Rockies, and quite a few of these shelters can be a bit hostel-like ...

Hi, JabbaPapa... Rather than in the Rocky Mountains, the Pacific Crest Trail is in the high Cascade Mountains of Washington and Oregon and Northern California, and then going into the very high Sierra Nevada Mountain range from Northern California through Southern California. There are many links of trails (sometimes multi-day hikes themselves) and trailheads (usually US Forest Service areas) which allow backpackers access onto the Pacific Crest Trail. If I am understanding your post, there are really no variant trails which parallel the PCT. The PCT does infrequently cross some highways, especially at a few mountain passes along the route. In those situations, the nearest towns are mostly distant from the trail by dozens of miles requiring the backpacker --- if needing to resupply with food, fuel, or other consumables --- to (the usual case) hitch hike to that town, or to bite the bullet and spend the time walking the extra day or day and a half.

There are many other places where roadways are nearby to the PCT with a fairly short hike along accessory trails. Many also allow a short hitch hike or walk into a town adjacent to the road. A lot of PCT hikers will take Zero days in some of those towns. Again, there are many days of backpacking between such places.

For example, at Snoqualmie Pass and Stevens Pass highways in Washington State, there are trailheads off of those highways where backpackers can get onto the PCT. These passes do have seasonal resorts for snow skiing, access to a restaurant and perhaps a few condominium rental rooms (if available) near to the trail. Most backpackers, if not immediately crossing the highways at these passes to continue putting more trail miles behind them for the day, would pitch tents in nearby open fields. These are not meaningful resupply points due to the limited availability of packable groceries; but if the restaurants are open, it is a great place to grab a burger and fries :) Backpackers would need to do the traveling necessary to reach the distant towns with the stores available for that type of resupply.

Even between these two major mountain passes, each in this case with major highways, there is a week to ten days worth of trail hiking between these points. Most of the timethere are more than a hundred and fifty miles between potential resupply access points.

However, as I did while backpacking the PCT, one can mail supply packages to oneself at these types of places, containing the food and fuel and other consumables needed for resupply. It's funny, I just thought about how I considered socks one such consummable; I always put two or three pair of new Smartwool socks into every third or forth supply package (that would be about every 500 miles or so). :) Rather than take 'Zero' or 'Nero' days off the trail, that was how I most frequently planned my resupply.
 
I guess I get my videos all mixed up, I watch a lot of documentaries so I concede the US TRAILS. It is actually what was so attractive about the Camino is the hostels. Onward!!

YES!!!! I cannot agree more; the whole concept of Camino walking is unique in the context of American backpacking wilderness trails.

When I learned about European pilgrimage trails decades ago, I knew that I wanted to do one some day; but I was too taken with high mountain wilderness mountain climbing and backpacking to spend any real time planning a Camino.

Between those decades past and Camino present, my backpacking equipment has gone from weighing 60+ pounds for a 14 day backpacking trip, to 26 pounds. That's for all the food and supplies needed to allow full sustainability, including significant emergency medical stabilization for when medical help can be days away (I do have my Wilderness First Aid certification :) ). The base weight of my pack for that type of trip, without the consumables, is just under 16 pounds. If I am doing a three day backpacking trip, that total pack weight is still about 18 pounds.

Now that I am driven to do my pilgrimage for religious and spiritual reasons, I find that eliminating all the non-consummables from my pack which will not be needed, since this is not a wilderness backpacking trip, has resulted in a pack weight of under 9 pounds. This is one of the unintentional and positive side effects of planning the Camino which is exciting for me. Of course, when adding snacks, an "emergency" meal ration :), and water my base pack weight will tip the scale toward 12.5 pounds (5.7 kg), but that is still far less than my total backpacking pack weigh for even a three day wilderness outing.

This forum, and the insights and information freely given by all of you, is what is responsible for helping me to know how to make my pack weight burdern much, much lighter....... Thank you all. :) For my aging shoulders and back and knees and feet, the light pack weight is terrific, and will be of help in allowing me to enjoy my pilgrimage.
 
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Hi, JabbaPapa... Rather than in the Rocky Mountains, the Pacific Crest Trail is in the high Cascade Mountains of Washington and Oregon and Northern California, and then going into the very high Sierra Nevada Mountain range from Northern California through Southern California. There are many links of trails (sometimes multi-day hikes themselves) and trailheads (usually US Forest Service areas) which allow backpackers access onto the Pacific Crest Trail. If I am understanding your post, there are really no variant trails which parallel the PCT. The PCT does infrequently cross some highways, especially at a few mountain passes along the route. In those situations, the nearest towns are mostly distant from the trail by dozens of miles requiring the backpacker --- if needing to resupply with food, fuel, or other consumables --- to (the usual case) hitch hike to that town, or to bite the bullet and spend the time walking the extra day or day and a half.

There are many other places where roadways are nearby to the PCT with a fairly short hike along accessory trails. Many also allow a short hitch hike or walk into a town adjacent to the road. A lot of PCT hikers will take Zero days in some of those towns. Again, there are many days of backpacking between such places.

For example, at Snoqualmie Pass and Stevens Pass highways in Washington State, there are trailheads off of those highways where backpackers can get onto the PCT. These passes do have seasonal resorts for snow skiing, access to a restaurant and perhaps a few condominium rental rooms (if available) near to the trail. Most backpackers, if not immediately crossing the highways at these passes to continue putting more trail miles behind them for the day, would pitch tents in nearby open fields.

Thank you for these interesting clarifications -- perhaps there's a degree of mutual misunderstanding between our approaches to hiking, as I think we're each "purists" (in a sense) but of different breeds.

You explain getting to a town for resupplies as "leaving the trail", which I can understand from your point of view, whereas I'd personally view a detour for that purpose as being itself as part of the hike and therefore as part of the trail. My perceptions are also BTW coloured by the very long daily average distances I used to cover back in the 1990s to 2000s, so that I would not think of a detour of some "dozens of miles" as being particularly onerous (not even now that illness and age have slowed me down quite significantly), especially not if some major or minor access paths (not excluding tarmac ones) existed -- as I'm sure they must do here and there, even if not classified as "variants" by the PCT thru-hikers themselves -- allowing some more parallel itinerary or straightforward detour in places rather than a there and back again between a particular point on the PCT and a particular town.

My own perceptions are also coloured by the fact that on my second Camino, from Paris in 1994, there was no well-defined trail to follow at all for the vast majority of the French part, and not a single Camino waymarker until I reached SJPP, although I did follow some sections along some more minor hiking trails insofar as they carried on in the right direction more or less -- so that I'm very comfortable with the idea of not necessarily sticking to a trail as it has been defined, but rather to the general idea of it ; keeping to the trail when desirable, but inventing my own ad hoc detours when I might have reason to do so. Perhaps that is what I mean by "variants" compared to how you might understand the term.

Your point about nearest towns being distant from the highway crossings at mountain passes is interesting, from a European perspective -- such places in Western Europe had high strategic value in Antiquity, the Middle Ages, and the early Modern period, and so they were frequently fortified and then often permanently settled (not just the major passes either, but also some more minor ones). But of course there is no reason why they should have been so in the United States, with its far younger History. The resupply issues that you talk about for the PCT are far less present AFAIK on both the Pyrenees crest trail and the Via Alpina.
 
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I think the Camino will only grow more popular. I think we are only scratching the surface of the potential numbers.

One reason is that hiking is becoming quite mainstream now, particularly multi-day backpacking.
The futurists predict that we'll have more and more leisure time as AI takes over a lot of work. Therefore long hikes and longer vacations will become the norm.

Spain's popularity as a tourist destination is only going in one direction too.
 
The futurists predict that we'll have more and more leisure time as AI takes over a lot of work. Therefore long hikes and longer vacations will become the norm.
In my neck of the woods what is being predicted is that future generations retirees will not be as well off as the current one as pension plans are becoming less generous, cost of living has increased, well paying lifelong jobs are a thing of the past. So the huge portion of Camino goers that is made up by the 60+ may actually decrease quite a bit.
 
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In my neck of the woods what is being predicted is that future generations retirees will not be as well off as the current one as pension plans are becoming less generous, cost of living has increased, well paying lifelong jobs are a thing of the past. So the huge portion of Camino goers that is made up by the 60+ may actually decrease quite a bit.

Perhaps, but a Camino is a relatively cheap pursuit. Much cheaper than going on a cruise or a golfing holiday. Well it's cheap for me anyway but I don't pay for baggage service and tend to avoid pilgrim menus.

If anything the number of older walkers might increase due to better health and longevity.
 
In my neck of the woods what is being predicted is that future generations retirees will not be as well off as the current one as pension plans are becoming less generous, cost of living has increased, well paying lifelong jobs are a thing of the past. So the huge portion of Camino goers that is made up by the 60+ may actually decrease quite a bit.

But the most important currency on the Camino is time, and this is what continues to let the 60+ do their Caminos, even in stages over several years if needed, rather than financial wealth.
 
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But the most important currency on the Camino is time, and this is what continues to let the 60+ do their Caminos, even in stages over several years if needed, rather than financial wealth.
Easy to say for those who live in Europe and can fly in for 30€, not so much coming from over the pond or down under.
 
Thank you for these interesting clarifications -- perhaps there's a degree of mutual misunderstanding between our approaches to hiking, as I think we're each "purists" (in a sense) but of different breeds.

You explain getting to a town for resupplies as "leaving the trail", which I can understand from your point of view, whereas I'd personally view a detour for that purpose as being itself as part of the hike and therefore as part of the trail. My perceptions are also BTW coloured by the very long daily average distances I used to cover back in the 1990s to 2000s, so that I would not think of a detour of some "dozens of miles" as being particularly onerous (not even now that illness and age have slowed me down quite significantly), especially not if some major or minor access paths (not excluding tarmac ones) existed -- as I'm sure they must do here and there, even if not classified as "variants" by the PCT thru-hikers themselves -- allowing some more parallel itinerary or straightforward detour in places rather than a there and back again between a particular point on the PCT and a particular town.

My own perceptions are also coloured by the fact that on my second Camino, from Paris in 1994, there was no well-defined trail to follow at all for the vast majority of the French part, and not a single Camino waymarker until I reached SJPP, although I did follow some sections along some more minor hiking trails insofar as they carried on in the right direction more or less -- so that I'm very comfortable with the idea of not necessarily sticking to a trail as it has been defined, but rather to the general idea of it ; keeping to the trail when desirable, but inventing my own ad hoc detours when I might have reason to do so. Perhaps that is what I mean by "variants" compared to how you might understand the term.

Your point about nearest towns being distant from the highway crossings at mountain passes is interesting, from a European perspective -- such places in Western Europe had high strategic value in Antiquity, the Middle Ages, and the early Modern period, and so they were frequently fortified and then often permanently settled (not just the major passes either, but also some more minor ones). But of course there is no reason why they should have been so in the United States, with its far younger History. The resupply issues that you talk about for the PCT are far less present AFAIK on both the Pyrenees crest trail and the Via Alpina.

The large majority of the PCT is located at elevations above 4000 feet, with many sections at an even higher elevation between 7,000 and 13,000 feet of elevation. My pace typically would cover between 22 to 28 miles per day. On some days, the cumulative elevation gains while walking would be over 6000 feet. There were days when the cumulative elevation gain was over 8,000 feet. The PCT is far removed from civilization, located within vast wilderness areas covering mountainous terrain; there are no alternative paths that follow the PCT. Any trails which intersect with the PCT are simply feeder trails. These trails, which are far between, usually travel from a forest service campground parking area directly to the PCT. The only purpose for these trails are to allow backpackers to get from their cars to the PCT. These parking areas, again very few and far between, can be many miles to a regular road with vehicle traffic.

When I thru-hiked the PCT, as with all thru-hikers doing the complete 2650 mile trail, one was always concerned that the winter snows would arrive prior to reaching either the Canadian border (if a northbound backpacker) or the Mexican border (if southbound), effectively blocking the ability to complete one's thru-hike. That is one reason why you don't want to spend a lot of time off the trail.... the goal is to complete the thru-hike, not to visit towns. Each visit to a town means that you have lost 30 to 50 trail miles of progress getting down the trail. That's one or two days missed that you hope won't be the difference between reaching your goal or not. This is a huge distinction between Camino walking -- where visiting towns and cities are part of the experience -- and backpacking the PCT, which most people do to completely get away from civilization. The necessity to leave the trail for resupply every 7 to 14 days is a necessary but unwelcome interference with the desire to be away from that same civilization and to completely support oneself in the wild. Camino, aside from the pilgrimage aspects, is all about embracing civilization and its infrastructure of support.

That's why leaving the trail to resupply is not a matter of being physically 'onerous', it is not. It is a matter of not wanting to interact with civilization and to be able to complete a goal.

The Pacific Crest Trail and the Continental Divide Trail tend to draw those who are highly self-sufficient and want to break away for civilization. The Appalachian Trail attracts more of the social type crowds than the other two National Scenic Trails. Last year, when I thru-hiked the Colorado Trail, which is of similar length as Camino Francis when starting at SJPdP, it felt more like the Appalachian Trail than it did the Pacific Crest Trail. Most of that trail exists above 10,000 feet in the high Rockies, but was 'easier' than the PCT, although I had to spend the first couple of days at a slow walking pace in order to acclimate to the altitude.

You mentioned ad hoc detours, which made me smile. In the American backpacking community we call that 'bush whacking'. :) You go out into the mountains with a compass and a good contour map and spend a few days going from point A to point B.

You know, if you ever get to my neck of the woods perhaps you can get in touch and we'll do a short backpacking trip in the Cascades. It seems we would have a great time. :)
 
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Personally, I stopped seeing it as a spiritual experience and now see it merely as a hike. Too many people.



I don't see a connection between crowds and spirituality. In the year 1200 there were about 500,000 on the way, 80% from outside of Spain. The population of Spain was 9 million. That is a crowd, and motivation was entirely spiritual.
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
That is a crowd, and motivation was entirely spiritual.
I spent a total of five months over three seasons volunteering in an albergue. I talked to plenty of people who were not walking with "spiritual motivation." But others said they started on holiday, but it somehow became spiritual.
 
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I spent a total of five months over three seasons volunteering in an albergue. I talked to plenty of people who were not walking with "spiritiual motivation."
In the year 1200, it was not a tourist trip. If you were in an albergue for five months then, I'm very impressed!

Now the trail is different. People may start as a tourist, but many finish as a pilgrim.
 
As somebody else has already said above, the point made by the OP seems to be based on one person's assessment of what a tourist is versus a pilgrim; what is a spiritual and/or religious journey versus a trip to "an amusement park or an alternative to having a relationship".

Who am I to judge the validity, value, and/or nature of the experience of others walking this road? Should I believe that it is my right to (want to) impose limits on who / how / why others walk this road, in order to try to preserve my own ability to repeat what is likely to be an essentially unrepeatable experience (every camino is different, for every person walking, every time they walk). What makes me and my views more important?

As @tjb1013 eloquently (and very generously) has illustrated - we can never truely know what lays within the hearts of others, or behind their choices whilst walking this road.

Often it seems that these discussions come down to how comfortable or uncomfortable people feel with, essentially, the inevitability of change on the camino. This change will happen whether we want it to or not, in ways we may or may not expect.

@tjb1013 - I wish you all the best on the camino - as you have have pointed out, it is your camino to do your way - I hope you find what you seek, and that the views of others regarding the way you walk or the nature of your experience don't detract from it.

Buen Camino!
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
Easy to say for those who live in Europe and can fly in for 30€, not so much coming from over the pond or down under.

Even from Australia there are cheaper options than the full standard airfare up front.

When this subject comes up, I sometimes point out that there's a "purist" way to walk the Camino even from the US or Australia etc ...

Walk to the nearest cargo port (which for you might be either on the Great Lakes or at Montréal or Québec), then take (cheap) passage on a cargo ship to Le Havre or Bordeaux or Marseille or somewhere ; walk from there to Santiago. That would just be a modernised version of the traditional routes of pilgrims needing to travel by sea in the Middle Ages.

Time and organisation can overcome most obstacles, though of course having wealth to throw at a problem will make everything easier.
 
the point made by the OP seems to be based on one person's assessment of what a tourist is versus a pilgrim

Honestly ? I think that in very many cases they are one and the same person ; it is certainly untrue that everyone should try and become a "purist" !!
 
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Honestly ? I think that in very many cases they are one and the same person ; it is certainly untrue that everyone should try and become a "purist" !!

I agree entirely with you - a black and white view misses the nuances in human experience... thats my point, along with asking why one person's view should be privileged over that of anybody else's in determining what a "real" experience of the Camino is. One person's purist is another person's tourist!
 
One person's purist is another person's tourist!

Walking the Camino Frances for the second time I met a German Catholic group travelling to Santiago with their parish priest by bus - spending their nights in hotels and celebrating mass together daily. One woman in the group was very insistent that theirs was a proper pilgrimage and that those like myself who walked the way alone and without the daily blessing and guidance of a priest were simply hikers and tourists. It always surprises me how many people truly believe that because their choice is self-obviously "right" any other way must by definition be "wrong" :rolleyes:
 
I think the Camino will only grow more popular. I think we are only scratching the surface of the potential numbers.

One reason is that hiking is becoming quite mainstream now, particularly multi-day backpacking.
The futurists predict that we'll have more and more leisure time as AI takes over a lot of work. Therefore long hikes and longer vacations will become the norm.

Spain's popularity as a tourist destination is only going in one direction too.
AI taking over will certainly mean more leisure time because people wont have jobs to go to or money to pay for Camino's:eek::eek:
 
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Walking the Camino Frances for the second time I met a German Catholic group travelling to Santiago with their parish priest by bus - spending their nights in hotels and celebrating mass together daily. One woman in the group was very insistent that theirs was a proper pilgrimage and that those like myself who walked the way alone and without the daily blessing and guidance of a priest were simply hikers and tourists. It always surprises me how many people truly believe that because their choice is self-obviously "right" any other way must by definition be "wrong" :rolleyes:
More to be pitied Bradypus perhaps you weren't wearing enough sackcloth:p Reminds me of a quote in Proverbs "There is a kind who is pure in his own eyes, Yet is not washed from his filthiness"
 
When this subject comes up, I sometimes point out that there's a "purist" way to walk the Camino even from the US or Australia etc ...

Walk to the nearest cargo port (which for you might be either on the Great Lakes or at Montréal or Québec), then take (cheap) passage on a cargo ship ...
We were discssuing what may cause less traffic on the C. in the future, not what makes a "real" C., and I suggested that as pension funds become a thing of the past, future retirees will not have the € to travel that retireers have today. And getting in a cargo ship is much much expensive than a flight, so that won't help.
 
We were discssuing what may cause less traffic on the C. in the future, not what makes a "real" C., and I suggested that as pension funds become a thing of the past, future retirees will not have the € to travel that retireers have today. And getting in a cargo ship is much much expensive than a flight, so that won't help.

The cost would be significantly higher from Australia, sure, and thanks for correcting me, but only marginally so from somewhere like, say, Houston -- bearing in mind that all meals are included in the fare rather than costing extra, and that it would be a part of your Camino not just the journey towards starting.

Otherwise, as incomes fall so mechanically do prices -- in real terms anyway, though the numbers in currency terms continue to go up.

And your North American perspective is just as partial as my European one, really ; and I'm not saying that as a negative, just acknowledging your point that our perspectives concerning the cost of a Camino are at some significant variance.
 
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I walked the CF this year starting 2 April and walking well into May. Especially in the early stages, I might see maybe three or four other pilgrims all day and sometimes none. Many times I was the only pilgrim staying in albergues or pensions because I stayed in small towns and didn't follow the Brierley stages. I was actually a bit disappointed that it was so quiet (apart from during semana santa) because the first time I walked was in Sept/Oct two years ago when there were far more pilgrims. I did get used to the loneliness and quietness and ended up enjoying it. I think it comes down to managing expectations as much as anything else.
In any case, everyone's camino is different, as evidenced by the varying opinions expressed on the forum. And for any first timers who may be reading this thread, don't worry. It's still a wonderful experience. You only have to look at the faces arriving at the cathedral or waiting in line at the pilgrim office to get confirmation that walking the camino is still an amazing achievement.
I walked early this April through the middle of May and had a wonderful transformative experience if not a religious one. I met people from all over the world who are as varied as anything you can imagine. I think my point is is that we were all there with each other ,having a common experience and lifting each other up in many ways. Whether it's different than it was 20 years ago reminds me of the man who builds a house in the country and then decides he is the last one that should do so. We simply have never had this option and should stop rueing its loss. All we can do is enjoy what is available to us now.
I hope to walk another Camino in the future and have an odyssey with a whole bunch of people I've never met
 
Whether it's different than it was 20 years ago

Only superficially, though it's certainly become more problematic to find one's solitude along the Spanish portion, and a certain degree of urbanisation/touristification has spread along the itinerary of the Francès.

Attitudes of the pilgrims and in the albergues are also different to a degree, and there has definitely been a separation between the haves and the have-nots -- but the fact that all were forced into the same spaces back on the Francès in the 1990s was probably an anomaly of that period, rather than being more "genuine" ; though it certainly had its positives that some veterans regret.

Fundamentally though, the Camino persists, irrespective of whether you're the only pilgrim for miles around with doubtful prospects of finding somewhere to sleep indoors or whether you're one among a throng of thousands in a well-developed infrastructure of dedicated services, or any intermediary between these extremes.
 
Fundamentally though, the Camino persists, irrespective of whether you're the only pilgrim for miles around with doubtful prospects of finding somewhere to sleep indoors or whether you're one among a throng of thousands in a well-developed infrastructure of dedicated services, or any intermediary between these extremes.
Eventually the "outdoor"and the "spiritual" trends will end, and maybe the Cathedral will ... never mind, for the last part.

If the Cathedral was relly intereted, @t2andreo , it would ask, in some sort of survey, why people walked, really, splitting religion from spiritual to start with. How they feel about the last 100km, etc....
 
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Yes, that's the way it could have been. Too late now. However, I did get her to go to England with her daughter.

If your friend really wants to do part of the Camino, have her talk to her dialysis center. Dialysis is available all over the world. The big cities all have dialysis centers. Granted it would take tons and tons of coordination but sections of the Camino are close enough to larger cities that it just might be possible to do a portion. It would also be financially challenging
 
As an amateur walker and atheist the Camino is a perfect journey - weather, signage, availability of cheap food and accommodation, beaches on the north make it all so simple and enjoyable. I'm sure it will be a popular route for non religious pilgrim for many years. Personally I've had only one religious encounter so far and that was nothing more than a pleasant nun taking our money for the night and stamping our credential. She gave us a wonderful glass of lemonade. As I walk along I wonder if it hasn't always had an element of commercial enterprise and if we aren't over romanticising the medieval pilgrimage. There are plenty of old Spanish texts which associate nuns and monks with a rather cynical simony. We know these routes existed before the bones were brought here - the edge of the world was a destination for the pagan and other non Christians. For me, the smells of the forest in Galicia today were simply divine. That is enough for me.
 
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Simony is the sale of indulgences or Sacraments -- monks and nuns have never had the power to engage in it.
Actually it is also the buying or selling of a spiritual office, act, or privilege I think we got away with the Lemonade:)
 
If your friend really wants to do part of the Camino, have her talk to her dialysis center. Dialysis is available all over the world. The big cities all have dialysis centers. Granted it would take tons and tons of coordination but sections of the Camino are close enough to larger cities that it just might be possible to do a portion. It would also be financially challenging
Yeah, I know it's possible, but now she also can't walk.
 
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I walked the Camino Frances May 2016. It was a very busy May and almost all of the alberges were full every night, yet the roads were not packed with walkers. I was able to walk alone whenever I wanted and during those times I daydreamed, said prayers for loved ones, meditated, and took note of, and appreciated my surroundings. When I walked with people, I found most of them were there for spiritual, if not religious purposes. Even those who weren't were walking for a some reason, even though some couldn't quite put their finger on what it was. Some were walking simply because they enjoy trekking and the Camino is a Unesco World Heritage site. Aside from seeing shells or postcards in shops, I didn't notice a lot of commercialism until I got to Santiago. That being said, an even higher level of consumers and commercialism can be found at other religious sites (Rome, the Vatican, Florence) and they are able to retain their spiritual core. At first, I was a bit upset about the souvenir shops, but came to realize that some who do the CF, or any other Camino, may only have the opportunity to do this once in their lifetime. If they want to buy something that brings back Camino memories, who am I to judge? Salespeople overselling to people who are planning for a Camino is another matter, although I'm not sure that is strictly a Camino issue as that type will oversell regardless of what people are shopping for. I would like to see more appreciation for the hospitaleros. I think at the end of the day, some people are just tired and go into auto-pilot pilgrim mode. Not really rude, but a bit oblivious or indifferent to others. In the end, even if the number of pilgrims drops for some reason, the Camino excitement will continue for those who are drawn to the community and the connection - religious, spiritual or cultural.
Well said!
 

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