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Would you pay extra for a lower bed?

Would you pay extra for a lower bed?

  • No

    Votes: 54 37.2%
  • Yes

    Votes: 58 40.0%
  • Lower or upper is part of the deal

    Votes: 44 30.3%

  • Total voters
    145

Tincatinker

Moderator
Staff member
Camino(s) past & future
Lots ;0)
At Pieros. At El Serbal y La Luna I was tired, my digestion was suffering from a debatable cena in Molinaseca the night before and the only bunk left was an upper in the top left corner of the bunkroom, under the sloping roof and with that step down a couple of feet from the bunk foot. I looked and thought "problem". I also looked at my genial host and the large walking group who were occupying most of the bunkroom... He asked, "¿Problem?", "No".

Once everyone had gone to bed I spent the night on a comfy cushioned bench in the dining area in easy striking distance of the loo.

Would I have paid extra for a bottom bunk that night? Oh yes! But to whom? El Serbal hadn't earned an extra bung. So my option would have been to wander the bunkroom clutching €10 and a winning smile?

I just hope the private Albergues aren't reading this thread. If they are then the guidebooks will need more pages or smaller print: Upper bunk €x, Lower bunk €y, Hot Shower €y, Cold Shower €x, warm welcome €:), indifferent welcome €:rolleyes:......
 

Delphinoula

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino PdC 2018 Finisterre Muxía 2018
C Franconia 2019
Camino desde Algeciras Sevillia (2019)
Lol pay more. No. I liked a lower bed , because of escaping fast if necessary. I may do somebody a favor by staying in the bottom bunk. I like the top one all my kids competed for the top one, but my knees back head don’t like the top punk anymore. O don’t ever get old.
Now serious if I got something that would help you and your need is greater than mine? No problem. And vis versa.
Maybe like good shoes fears may be a thing that you can do something about.
 

Paladina

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF, primitivo & del norte (2017); VdlP/Sanabres, ingles et al (2018), Mozarabe and more (2019)
I definitely prefer the top bunk at Albergue La Finca


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The indvidual cells, however luxurious, recall the monastic sleeping quarters provided for recovering alcoholics in a former church, where I, in my youth and inexperience, once volunteered to work. The modesty curtains hid from my prying eyes the case of vodka with which one resident had settled down for the night. Pilgrims, take note!
 

trecile

Camino Addict
Camino(s) past & future
SJPDP-Finisterre X 2 - 2016 & 2017, El Norte - Irun to Vilalba 2018
😍 Thanks! It's on my list! Wanted to find a place near Fromista.
They don't have too many beds, so you may want to reserve a couple of days ahead. They also have an excellent restaurant and pilgrim dinner.
 

movinmaggie

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2015) Scotland GGW (2017) Primitivo
Just wondering. I have never seen it, but would it be profitable for albergues to ask 1 or 2 euros more for a lower bed? And would you pay for that? The question came to mind because I always fear to be assigned to an upper bed. Which (of course) happens in about half of the cases ;-)

I have to go to the toilet once or twice a night and I struggle with climbing down. Maybe it is just my clumsiness or it is because I prefer to only wear a nightgown and want to come down without flashing... For the pilgrims feeling I definitely prefer staying in albergues, but I would without any doubt pay 1 or 2 euros more to be sure to get a lower bed.

Or would it spoil the pilgrims experience of all being equal?
I think that even IF the hospitalero would agree to it, which I highly doubt, because then yes, all would not be equal, but should you be so fortunate, would you then give it up to someone who has a specific physical need for a lower bunk?
 

Dinah Shaw

Volcano Climber
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Norte and Frances Sept 6 - Oct 11, 2016
Just wondering. I have never seen it, but would it be profitable for albergues to ask 1 or 2 euros more for a lower bed? And would you pay for that? The question came to mind because I always fear to be assigned to an upper bed. Which (of course) happens in about half of the cases ;-)

I have to go to the toilet once or twice a night and I struggle with climbing down. Maybe it is just my clumsiness or it is because I prefer to only wear a nightgown and want to come down without flashing... For the pilgrims feeling I definitely prefer staying in albergues, but I would without any doubt pay 1 or 2 euros more to be sure to get a lower bed.

Or would it spoil the pilgrims experience of all being equal?
I would never use an upper bed as i have to get up tto many times in the middle of the night when i couldn’t get a lower bed I’d get a private room somewhere. One time the hospitalera took me to her house that had an empty 3 bedroom apt for 15 eros a night. Fully equipped
 

Elmundodemone

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Buen Camino 2017
Am I the only one who acually prefers the top bunk? I like to have a view, to be able to sit up without bumping my head all the time (I am kind of stupid with the remembering thing sometimes) and to not have anyone above me. It's a lot lighter too up there.

I would pay more for the top bunk..clearly, I never had to. Now I understand why I had so many friends on the camino...
I prefer top bunk too. Don't like to have someone above me sleeping, so I am happy there will always a top bunk for me👍
 

T0M

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
France (2019)
This is interesting. We could do a camino version of Dr. Milgram's subway experiment:
68% of NY subway riders gave up their seats to healthy-looking individuals. How generous are pilgrims compared with NY subway riders?
The only way to answer this question is to put a large group of pilgrims on the NY subway and ask them to give up their seats to healthy-looking individuals.
To make it more interesting, fill the train with seated pilgrims (as you suggest) but select them because they had slept the night before in a hostel where someone asked them for their bottom bunk.
 

Raggy

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Mozarabe Almeria (2017)
Cherhill to Canterbury - Pilgrims' Way (2018)
Via Francigena (2019)
You are taking this "unscientific" experiment to a whole new level of unscientificness by judging the motive to give up a seat as "generous".
Perhaps I should use the phrase "willing to sacrifice" rather than "generous" since the experiment measures behavior rather than motivation. It's a long time since I read a detailed description of the subway experiment, but as far as I remember the purpose was not to judge individual riders.
The only way to answer this question is to put a large group of pilgrims on the NY subway and ask them to give up their seats to healthy-looking individuals.
Alternatively, we could invite NY subway riders to spend a night at an Albergue.
;)
 
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Tony Bobcat

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
May 2017
Just wondering. I have never seen it, but would it be profitable for albergues to ask 1 or 2 euros more for a lower bed? And would you pay for that? The question came to mind because I always fear to be assigned to an upper bed. Which (of course) happens in about half of the cases ;-)

I have to go to the toilet once or twice a night and I struggle with climbing down. Maybe it is just my clumsiness or it is because I prefer to only wear a nightgown and want to come down without flashing... For the pilgrims feeling I definitely prefer staying in albergues, but I would without any doubt pay 1 or 2 euros more to be sure to get a lower bed.

Or would it spoil the pilgrims experience of all being equal?
I wouldn’t pay any more,the normal procedure is most lower bunks are left for older pilgrims. Fully agree with that.
 

ClaireJJ

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
French Way (2017); Hope for French Way again (2019)
Thanks for that! It looks lovely. I’ve made a note of it.
Love the looks of this albergue. With stairs to the upper bed, I'm good. I too will make a note of it. Thanks.
 

VNwalking

Wandering in big circles
Camino(s) past & future
Francés ('14/'15)
San Olav/Francés ('16)
Baztanés/Francés ('17)
Ingles ('18)
Vasco/?/Invierno ('19)
I've just come here after navigating an airline website - and want to give a very loud and heartfelt shout-out to Tinca's post:
I just hope the private Albergues aren't reading this thread. If they are then the guidebooks will need more pages or smaller print: Upper bunk €x, Lower bunk €y, Hot Shower €y, Cold Shower €x, warm welcome €:), indifferent welcome €:rolleyes:......
Are you yes voters sure you want to go in this direction?;)
 

C clearly

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2012, 2014, 2015, 2016). Seville-Astorga (Mar 2017). Mozarabe (Apr-May 2018)
Are you yes voters sure you want to go in this direction?;)
If the alternative were to double the standard rate at albergues, I would say maybe yes. Really the situation with airlines is so different that the comparison is only inflammatory! 🥵 Air travel is ridiculously cheap compared to the old days, partly made this way by charging separately for bigger seats, meals, entertainment and extra luggage.
 

VNwalking

Wandering in big circles
Camino(s) past & future
Francés ('14/'15)
San Olav/Francés ('16)
Baztanés/Francés ('17)
Ingles ('18)
Vasco/?/Invierno ('19)
Well, yes, point taken, @C clearly.
And...aren't albergues also incredibly cheap? The thing is they're not generally so good at making money - but might be if someone started this kind of thing. It would be a ridiculously easy means of revenue enhancement.
 

Luka

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Pelgrimspad I, Via Monastica, Via Podiensis, Via de la Plata, Camino Francés, Camino del Norte...
I find that if the person in the upper bunk isn't a sound sleeper they keep me up as well.
That's why I shouldn't be in a top bunk ;-)
I move a lot during my sleep and I have to go to the toilet once or twice a night.
 

SeaHorse

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
(May-June 2015)
If you want the lower bed for whatever reason just ask around in the room. There might be folks like me who would be happy to get the top. I don't look like the typical top bed demographics but I love the fresh(er) air and at 5'10 are tall enough to hit my head when sitting in the lower bed. I don't mind climbing. Ad a bit of claustrophobic feeling in the bottom bed. Enough reasons for me to swap. I wouldn't care if you look young, old, fit or tired. Just ask!

If extra is charged for a lower, that presumes that if a young and healthy person is willing to pay, they get the bottom bunk, thereby still taking it away from those who really benefit from having the bottom bunk.
I see no reason why young and healthy person without any problems which they don't want to advertise to a whole lot of strangers would want to pay more for something they don't need. Or possibly even dislike. So if they are willing to pay for bottom bed I would assume there is a reason for it. The same as with disabled parking where sometimes people feel entitled to harass disabled young looking person just because the disability is not of the kind that is visible to all by-passers.

I only voted "No" as I wouldn't pay for lower bed because there was no option "I want top". The poll is not accurate in this sense.

Disclaimer: I never met in person the 3-tier beds so I'm only speaking about 2-tier ones.
 

SeaHorse

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
(May-June 2015)
aren't albergues also incredibly cheap? The thing is they're not generally so good at making money
Economy of scale. The private albergues are businesses and not the loosing kind. Look how many pilgrims with a fiver they get every day peak season, low season (or they close), how much the running expenses are. Private donativos even more so. The taxman may know how much they earn but can't prove it. If you don't believe me, look at property prices along the Camino compared to a few km off and Spain in general.
Don't get me wrong, not criticizing at all. Growth and development is a good thing. Not all tourists need or want ritzy hotels.
 

VNwalking

Wandering in big circles
Camino(s) past & future
Francés ('14/'15)
San Olav/Francés ('16)
Baztanés/Francés ('17)
Ingles ('18)
Vasco/?/Invierno ('19)
The private albergues are businesses and not the loosing kind. Look how many pilgrims with a fiver they get every day peak season, low season (or they close), how much the running expenses are. Private donativos even more so.
Maybe, but maybe not.
I spoke at length to one person who owns a private albergue - they thought they could make money, using exactly the rationale you've given - but found exactly the opposite. And talk to @Rebekah Scott about her experience of how people are not always so generous when they stay at a donativo....

look at property prices along the Camino compared to a few km away.
It may have nothing to do with potential profit. It could as easily be because the sellers are hoping to make a killing off the naive peregrinos who come from places where property is more expensive - IOW, sucker bait.
 
Camino(s) past & future
I plan to leave South Africa on 15 September and return on 14 October 2018.
Just wondering. I have never seen it, but would it be profitable for albergues to ask 1 or 2 euros more for a lower bed? And would you pay for that? The question came to mind because I always fear to be assigned to an upper bed. Which (of course) happens in about half of the cases ;-)

I have to go to the toilet once or twice a night and I struggle with climbing down. Maybe it is just my clumsiness or it is because I prefer to only wear a nightgown and want to come down without flashing... For the pilgrims feeling I definitely prefer staying in albergues, but I would without any doubt pay 1 or 2 euros more to be sure to get a lower bed.

Or would it spoil the pilgrims experience of all being equal?
I always booked my Albergue in advance and requested a lower bunk and never had a problem, They were always accommodating!
 

davebugg

"When I Have Your Wounded" - Dustoff Motto
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2017)
Camino Frances (2018)
Camino Ingles (2019)
I see no reason why young and healthy person without any problems which they don't want to advertise to a whole lot of strangers would want to pay more for something they don't need. Or possibly even dislike. So if they are willing to pay for bottom bed I would assume there is a reason for it. The same as with disabled parking where sometimes people feel entitled to harass disabled young looking person just because the disability is not of the kind that is visible to all by-passers.
One would think such would be the case, but the application of common courtesy these days is an increasingly missing commodity, which is why I disagree with your premise. All one needs to do is look at public bus or subway transportation during times when every seat is taken, and look at all of the 'young and healthy' people sitting while an elder senior(s) is standing in the aisle.

As far as your example for disabled parking is concerned, I have no idea where in the world you live, but your example doesn't really apply in America. Here, one must either have an officially issued placard on display in the car's window, or a license plate marking, indicating that one is legally entitled to a disabled parking space.

Why the placard or license plate requirement? That system was developed because healthy people WOULD take that disabled specific space. And even now, the police issue a lot of tickets every day where lazy folks are willing to risk getting caught.
 

Antomuchacho

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Planning on startting first time at e d of april start of may
If theres no safety side panels on the top bunk just put the mattress on the floor and sleep if theres room
 

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