Backpack in airline holds

[RevBarbaraG]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

 

[alaskadiver]

We took ours as carryon. That's the one thing we didn't want to have delayed in transit especially with 2 connections. We checked a small canvas bag with our poles, knife, and clothes for the week we were spending in Spain after our hike. When we arrived we forwarded that bag with the extra clothes to Ivar in Santiago.

 

[grayland]

The simple solution is to carry on your pack.
The airlines do lose and/or delay luggage every day.
I personally know of many pilgrims who have arrived in Europe without their pack.

Consider the amount of time you have anguished over getting everything right and the money spent.
Consider how you will find replacements in a strange city/country.
Consider the schedule and reservations you have made for the first days.

Many people will post that they successfully checked their packs and nothing happened.
Of course....it does not happen until it does.

The only way to be sure is to carry it on.

But....do what ever feels right to you.

I do check everything on the way home when I do not really care if it arrives with me.
I use my rain cover with all of the straps tucked in and tied. I use very small bungee cords hooked on the side near the body to hold the rain cover on.

 

[naplesdon]

It has never happened to me after combining backpacking and air travel since the early 70's, but I will admit I have seen it happen to travelers who allowed some of those "strappy bits" to be targeted by the baggage handling machinery by letting them dangle a very inviting 12 to 24 inches.
One solution that I started using about 5 years ago was to wrap my pack in my waterproof rain cover very tightly. There are many airport terminals that offer a clear plastic wrapping service near the check in counters.

 

[Sailor]

I carry my backpack [easy to place in the overhead compartment], the last thing I need is for the airline to lose, break, or misplace my backpack before my camino. Good luck, y que la luz de Dios alumbre su camino.

 

[Viva Terlingua]

Went to Galapagos a few years ago with friends and baggage handlers pilfered the caribiners attached to our packs.

 

[Deleted member 67185]

After flying to a backpacking destination and arriving with my backpack and equipment gone and never recovered, I had to scramble to buy all new gear. NEVER AGAIN Since that time, my backpack always gets taken on-board as carry on luggage.

 

[grayland]

After flying to a backpacking destination and arriving with my backpack and equipment gone and never recovered, I had to scramble to buy all new gear. NEVER AGAIN Since that time, my backpack always gets taken on-board as carry on luggage.

Listen to Dave....he has been there.
It happens...ask yourself how you would handle it? Would it fit into your schedule?
We get many people concerned about how long it will take to get thru customs in order to make connections....how long to make those connections if your much fussed over pack does not arrive.

 

[LesR]

I too was concerned about the dangly bits mixing it with baggage handling machinery and coming off second best (Qantas advised that they would NOT cover such damage) .

I bought a duffle bag big enough to contain the backpack and sent that as checked luggage without problem. I sent the duffle bag and some spare clothe from SJPP to Santiago through Express Bourricot.

Have seen some posts from people who packed their backpack in a IKEA carry bag (the large blue one with yellow handles and a zip) as checked baggage... Some people carried this bag with them on their Camino in their backpack (maybe 150 gms?) and used it as bed bug barrier when in an albergue.

 

[La Brique Jaune]

Hi RevBarbaraG

For the preparation of my Camino last year I asked to me the same question. In my opinion, I think i will not take the risk to check my backpack without protection. Some people on this forum talk about plastic wrap, in airports there is a service for wrapping your backpack. Don't know if in your airport this service exist. Some people place their backpack in a cheap duffle bag, like ikea bag i read this somewhere on this forum. For my Camino i choose to carry-on my backpack and check a small bag with the items I think I could not place in my carry-on (knife,duct-tape,tie-raps, trekking pole). I said to me if the air plane company lost my entire luggage i must re-buy all my stuff or having a delay for my Camino and i you have planes connections is more easy with only a carry-on. And if by misfortune they lost my small carry-on is easier to buy somes items than an entire backpack. So it's my opinion.

But if you decide to check your bag the thing i will suggest to you is to keep wear you shoes/boots in the plane. Stuff can be buy but the shoes you train yourself with is more difficult.

Hope I'm you understand my English.

 

[Arn]

If your backpack is too large to fit as carry on...you are likely carrying too much.
I prefer a military-style three-day pack. Unless I fill it with lead...it will weigh under 20 lbs.

 

[La Brique Jaune]

Hi
To make sure i could bring my bag in the plane i made a template in cardboard with the dimensions of the airplane company and i place my stuff inside my bag to be sure to not exceed the length and the width.

 

[Saint Mike II]

As one who travels from the other side of the world my caminos are often extended stays so I virtually always have to check my backpack. The one thing I do not check (ever) is my walking boots. I received this recommendation 10 or more years ago when setting out to climb Mt Kilimanjaro. Virtually everything else can be replaced, but not your well broken-in, comfortable boots. If you have to check the pack then either the wrapping or a pack cover is recommended. Cheers

 

[Mark Barnes]

I bought a car seat bag for taking on airlines and put my 70L pack in it when I flew in and out of Madrid. I bought mine on amazon for about $15.00. I did check my bag.

 

[Deleted member 56069]

My wife and I had zippered bags that our back packs were placed in before being checked. No issues in four Camino's. We use poles and most airlines will not let you carry them on, so those are checked and in our zippered bag as well.
Our 50L & 60 L bags are to big to check and I like my pack, so not about to replace it with a tiny one that can be checked.

 

[grayland]

For those who check their packs.....

What are your plans if the pack does not arrive with you? Will it delay the start of your camino?
I would be interested to know if you actually have contingency plans or are you are just crossing your fingers?

 

[Athena Atterdag]

I normally fly with a backpack and sometimes have it checked in, straps and all. It got lost just once (in several dozens flights), and was found and delivered to me within a couple of days.

When I do have to check my backpack or suitcase in (and I prefer not to - mostly because, when you only have cabin baggage, you can leave the airport much quicker, and the ticket may be cheaper), I make sure I carry all my documents and essentials in my pockets or in my cabin bag. Never heard of a suitcase being lost forever, so counting on the airline to find and deliver it

 

[RJM]

Too large and heavy to carry-on the flight probably means your pack is too big and you are carrying too much stuff.
If you must check-in your backpack, put it in a cardboard box, and dispose of the box when you arrive. Going home what to do? More than likely you will be less concerned about the backpack so just tie up all the straps real tight, cross your fingers and head home.

 

[Rick M]

Wow! Some serious trauma showing here!

I was a professional traveler for more than a decade. I have had checked bags delayed a few times, but never lost for more than a few hours or a day in the thousands of flights. Some have pointed out that delayed is a problem, and it is a nuisance, but hardly fatal.

My Gregory Z40 would need assistance from a press to qualify as carry on. I check mine. They put it in a bag at the airport check in on account of the strappy things. We are not talking first class here, this is on Air France, KLM, Air Canada, and BA over the years. Now its true that I am getting on a straight shot intercontinental flight most of the time, and it would be hard to lose a bag in one flight. It usually happens with a tight connection at a busy hub. Still, with reasonable connection times, your chances of losing a bag are remote.

 

[Rick M]

For those who check their packs.....

What are your plans if the pack does not arrive with you? Will it delay the start of your camino?
I would be interested to know if you actually have contingency plans or are you are just crossing your fingers?

Yes, it would delay the start of my Camino if it was really lost. I would not like to re-equip myself from the decathalon in Paris, mainly because of shoes, but I could. I am crossing my fingers about that. In case of a one day baggage delay, nothing happens. I check into the hotel with my carry on plastic bag that has meds, money, toothbrush, and phone accoutrements. I have at least two days to get over my jet lag at my gateway city anyway. Successful travel planning involves a certain amount of elasticity in the schedule to allow for Murphy to have his way with you.

With respect Grayland, the risk of a cancelled or seriously delayed flight is way bigger than losing your checked baggage. Weather and mechanicals are Murphy's favorite go-to's for travelers. Remember that Volcano in Iceland a ways back? My strategy is for addressing that much more substantial risk.

 

[Latecomer]

...Have seen some posts from people who packed their backpack in a IKEA carry bag (the large blue one with yellow handles and a zip) as checked baggage... Some people carried this bag with them on their Camino in their backpack (maybe 150 gms?) and used it as bed bug barrier when in an albergue.

I got some off Amazon (an extra dollar or so a bag but I was afraid if we went into the IKEA store we would end up with 144 votive candles, 2 dozen wine glasses, and 5 kg of Swedish Meatballs). It would fit my Osprey Kestrel 38, but actually I will probably use one to hold poles (in a mailing tube for protection), Swiss Army Knives, and bulky stuff, for my walking partner and I.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MJC4U08/?tag=casaivar02-20 (Various order quantities available)

 

[trecile]

I carry my backpack on the plane, and check a suitcase with my poles and my pre/post Camino clothing. At the Madrid airport after my first Camino the Lufthansa agent thought that my backpack looked too big, and offered to check it for free. I took her up on it, and she and I secured the straps as well as possible, and it arrived home undamaged. Last year I carried one of the Ikea bags, in my checked bag, just in case.
I met a guy on my first Camino who walked the Primitivo, and had limited time. When his backpack was "delayed" by the airline he just bought a very small backpack, and the barest of essentials - extra shirt, socks and underwear, toothbrush, etc.

 

[Kitsambler]

For those who check their packs.....

I check my pack. Every time. So far, Lufthansa, Air France, Delta, and United have all delivered just fine; usually there is a transfer in Europe involved as well. One problem for the "never check it" crowd is that the weight limit of 8 kg (or less, depending on the airline) applies, and one is vulnerable to having the carry-ons weighed by scale (I had this happen in Vienna in December 2017).

To prepare the pack for travel, I snug down all straps and waistbelt, apply the raincover, and double-strap it on. Disassembled poles go in the pack. I take a collapsible daypack onboard with travel essentials, water, snacks, etc.the

And my plan is that at worst the pack will be delayed a day or two. In 40 years of travel, I've never had any luggage worse than a 24-hour delay. So I plan my itinerary to spend the first night fairly close to the arrival airport.

 

[trecile]

I check my pack. Every time. So far, Lufthansa, Air France, Delta, and United have all delivered just fine; usually there is a transfer in Europe involved as well. One problem for the "never check it" crowd is that the weight limit of 8 kg (or less, depending on the airline) applies, and one is vulnerable to having the carry-ons weighed by scale (I had this happen in Vienna in December 2017).

To prepare the pack for travel, I snug down all straps and waistbelt, apply the raincover, and double-strap it on. Disassembled poles go in the pack. I take a collapsible daypack onboard with travel essentials, water, snacks, etc.the

And my plan is that at worst the pack will be delayed a day or two. In 40 years of travel, I've never had any luggage worse than a 24-hour delay. So I plan my itinerary to spend the first night fairly close to the arrival airport.

Fortunately, US based carriers don't have weight restrictions for carry on luggage.

 

[WGroleau]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

If you can't carry it on, I recommend wrapping. You can pay for one of those plastic wraps, or you can put it in a large trash bag yourself. Some of the for-pay wrappers even claim to have a warranty against damage. If you do try to carry it on, be aware that the airline has the option to demand at the gate that it go into the hold. So if it contains important medicines or any expensive electronics, have a way to easily pull those out to carry.

At least one airline I've flown on states in writing that broken straps and latches are "normal wear and tear"! And I saw a handler lift a bag over a meter-high railing and drop it on the other side when he was standing next to a hole intended for him to slide it through.

 

[MichelleElynHogan]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

Hi RevBarbara,

Lots of stories, yes?

I will be starting the CF again on May 13 this year. I have all the latest equipment and have enjoyed hiking, fishing and camping all my life. But just recently, I have been looking at going completely another way.

Recently, I discovered a way to builda backpack with a blanket. The next level up is to layer the blanket with a plastic tarp. With a bit of string, a couple of bungee cords and a few feet of webbing, the blanket and tarp can become the backpack, with all belongings safely folded into it before rolling and tying it up. It would not only be a very intelligent way of carrying one's belongings but should also be lighter as the average backpack these days is 2.5 to 3 or more lb. A woll blanket and a space blanket, for instance (tarp with a reflective side), will weigh half the weight of a pack alone.

With something like this, it is easy to carry on alleviating the baggage handling concerns, and make not only for a much more enjoyable trip but a pack worth discussing.

 

[VNwalking]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

A reasonable concern.
I've used a big duffel bag, and it worked perfectly.
The added advantage is that if you are traveling before or after the Camino, you can use the duffel for whatever you won't need while you walk, and send it ahead to Santiago.

 

[Peter CapeTown]

If possible, i will carry-on-luggage my backpack when i do my first El Camino (CF, March/Apr).
If weight is a problem (shouldn't, but one never knows...) i will wear some of my stuff onto the plane.
To keep weight down, most consumables will be at only +-25% full (toothpaste, deodorant, first-aid kit, etc) and will buy replacements within the first week.
Swiss army knife, etc. - will get at the start of El Camino. Will check-in on the flight back home.
IF i have to check-in my backpack - then i would wrap it in plastic at the airport and carry all important items on me when i board, such as passport, money, docs, plastic, shoes, phone, etc. (to answer the initial question).

This question is topical to me, as yesterday I purchased my Camino backpack - waiting for a post-christmas sale did payoff and i got what i waited for. It is an Expedition Series 35L pack, so carry-on-luggage is a serious option to consider! https://www.capeunionmart.co.za/k-way-kilimanjaro-12-daypack

 

[jsalt]

My suitcase was stolen off the conveyor belts at Johannesburg International Airport, along with 2 others, on our way to Mauritius. Fortunately, I was on a beach holiday, so all I needed to buy there was a swimming costume, and an evening outfit. During the week the 3 of us heard that the thieves had dropped my suitcase, but had got away with the other 2. Back in Johannesburg I recovered my suitcase from the airport police, only to find it had been opened and sorted through. I could understand my expensive rainjacket might “disappear”, but I have never understood what the police, in landlocked Johannesburg, 600kms from the sea, could possibly want with my snorkel and mask . Jill

 

[Bradypus]

I just flew from A Coruna to London after walking the VDLP with a larger-than-usual pack for my Camino walking - it is cold and wet in Galicia in January and I was carrying warm but heavy and bulky gear. Too big for carry-on. My large rucksack has a lot of dangling straps and fasteners. At A Coruna airport I was asked to load it on to a conveyor reserved for special handling. Not the first time this has happened. With a return journey to Japan in the near future which will involve a couple of connecting flights and a similar load I have just bought myself one of these very large dry bags. My idea is to put the pack in it and then tie the clip-fastener for extra safety before checking it in. After arrival it will become a waterproof liner for my rucksack. I already stow my gear in a number of smaller similar bags of different colour for protection and ease of location. The minimal extra weight seems worthwhile to me.
https://www.sportsdirect.com/karrimor-dry-bag-784313?colcode=78431370

 

[Dorpie]

Going to Milan a couple years back I got to the baggage carousel to see this coming round. I was not a happy camper.


Now I always use the rain cover to keep everything well contained.

 

[onwayhome]

Going to Milan a couple years back I got to the baggage carousel to see this coming round. I was not a happy camper.
View attachment 39024

Now I always use the rain cover to keep everything well contained.

Aaaaargh. I'd find that a challenging start to a pilgrimage. I once had my checked backpack arrive on the carousel sitting in a tray. I appreciated the care involved and also thought that the baggage handlers may know something about dangly straps and machinery.
On the subject of carry on, note that European budget carriers often have different size and weight rules which can be a pain when using different airlines for a journey.

 

[RevBarbaraG]

My reasons for checking my backpack are as follows:

1) can’t take trekking poles as carry-on
2) budget airlines do not allow any leeway on the size or weight of carry-on.
3) they also charge for hold baggage, and if I’m going to pay extra to check my poles, I may as well check my pack as well.
4) I need a pack long enough to accommodate my poles.


I don’t think my pack is too big: 33l, expandable to 40l if you stuff all the outside pockets. I don’t expect it to be full, and hopefully not too heavy: all my clothes will be ultra light and quick drying and I’m not going mad with the number of items (2 long-sleeved, 2 short sleeve, 2 trousers, 1micro fleece, rain jacket, hat, buff, gloves, 3x underwear and socks), no books except Brierley and a small notebook, dual-purpose soap rather than different detergents for everything - but it is too tall to go as carry on. That decision is made now, the pack is bought (and is very comfortable).

So, thank you to those who have made practical suggestions. I have wondered about the wrapping service at the airport, but the alternatives are worth exploring too. My pack has a built-in rain cover..... but if that got torn in transit, I then wouldn’t have a rain cover.

I will be wearing my boots on the plane and carrying valuables, medication and Travel documents in an extremely light collapsible bag. I have a night booked in Bayonne because my flight arrives in the evening. I am travelling via Paris, but with a 4 hour connection time, so hopefully all will be well re lost pack. I’ve also only known it once in 30 years as a regular traveller.

 

[WGroleau]

If weight is a problem (shouldn't, but one never knows...) i will wear some of my stuff onto the plane.

Yes, pockets are a wonderful invention!

To keep weight down, most consumables will be at only +-25% full (toothpaste, deodorant, first-aid kit, etc) and will buy replacements within the first week.

I don't even bring most of that. Every city that has an airport also has people that use those things and stores that sell them. And if you're north American, they're probably cheaper on the other side.

 

[RJM]

My reasons for checking my backpack are as follows:

1) can’t take trekking poles as carry-on
2) budget airlines do not allow any leeway on the size or weight of carry-on.
3) they also charge for hold baggage, and if I’m going to pay extra to check my poles, I may as well check my pack as well.
4) I need a pack long enough to accommodate my poles.


I don’t think my pack is too big: 33l, expandable to 40l if you stuff all the outside pockets. I don’t expect it to be full, and hopefully not too heavy: all my clothes will be ultra light and quick drying and I’m not going mad with the number of items (2 long-sleeved, 2 short sleeve, 2 trousers, 1micro fleece, rain jacket, hat, buff, gloves, 3x underwear and socks), no books except Brierley and a small notebook, dual-purpose soap rather than different detergents for everything - but it is too tall to go as carry on. That decision is made now, the pack is bought (and is very comfortable).

So, thank you to those who have made practical suggestions. I have wondered about the wrapping service at the airport, but the alternatives are worth exploring too. My pack has a built-in rain cover..... but if that got torn in transit, I then wouldn’t have a rain cover.

I will be wearing my boots on the plane and carrying valuables, medication and Travel documents in an extremely light collapsible bag. I have a night booked in Bayonne because my flight arrives in the evening. I am travelling via Paris, but with a 4 hour connection time, so hopefully all will be well re lost pack. I’ve also only known it once in 30 years as a regular traveller.

You could also buy an inexpensive, small travel duffel, put the things like the trekking poles, toiletries, sandals etc in it. Enough stuff to make your backpack easily a carry-on. Put a lock on the small duffel and have it as a checked bag. When you get to your destination either ditch the duffel or carry it. Either way, if the duffel gets lost, which is unlikely, you still have your backpack and basic, essential equipment.

 

[wisepilgrim]

Remember that Volcano in Iceland a ways back?

Who could forget Eyjafjallajökull!

As for keeping the strappy bits safe, I offer a solution that might work for you. The only downside is a bit of added weight, which may or may not be a problem given your situation. Ten years ago I purchased a duffle bag from REI, specifically this one. That bag easily holds a full size backpack and much more and it is indestructable. It has been abused more times than I can count, including being strapped to the top of the car while racing past Eyjafjallajökull. It folds into itself for easy storage when not in use.

If I recall correctly it was even big enough to hold a set of walking sticks.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

Our packs flew inside $5 laundry bags with duct tape wrapping with some extra tape inside for security to rewrap if inspected. That helped prevent straps getting caught in machinery, temptation of thieves and loss of articles and made it easy to see the packs when offloaded. The laundry bags were left at the pre and post trip hotel with some other things inside but we're light enough to have walked with as shopping bags or such.

 

[Givesome]

We had to check our bags last your due to size. We bought backpack liners big enough for the bags to fit in. You can use any plastic bag but the pack liners are quite strong. On our return flight we had the bags wrapped at Madrid airport.

It still did not prevent the airline from delaying our bags.

I will not check a bag again on route to the Camino.

 

[Deleted member 3000]

IKEA has a bag that fits most packs and protects straps. I custom made a very light weight nylon sack to fit my pack. It has survived dozens of flights. It does have little tears at the points where straps and buckles stick out, right where the baggage handling machines would have ripped something to shreds!!

Airlines are beginning to enforce size limits for carry-on bags in order to collect fees. Poles and knives must go in the hold, so why waste you energy lumping your bag?

 

[t2andreo]

My tried and true method for checking my rucksack is to obtain a brightly colored, nylon laundry bag from my local dollar store. I attach a luggage tag, and secure the bag with multiple, but easy to untie knots.

The laundry bag protects the rucksack. The bright color makes it less likely to be “accidentally “ claimed, and easy to spit in the carousel.

After arrival, I repack my rucksack, using the laundry bag as a rucksack liner. It helps keep everything dry.

Hope this helps.

 

[Peter CapeTown]

Going to Milan a couple years back I got to the baggage carousel to see this coming round. I was not a happy camper.
View attachment 39024

Now I always use the rain cover to keep everything well contained.

Some Duct Tape and new boxer shorts - and you are Good-to-Go! ;-)

 

[Man in Black]

You could also buy an inexpensive, small travel duffel, put the things like the trekking poles, toiletries, sandals etc in it. Enough stuff to make your backpack easily a carry-on. Put a lock on the small duffel and have it as a checked bag. When you get to your destination either ditch the duffel or carry it. Either way, if the duffel gets lost, which is unlikely, you still have your backpack and basic, essential equipment.

This was the solution my wife and I chose as well. But for our poles we would have had no baggage to check. Threw my pocket knife in there as well but all my well researched and indispensable gear was always within reach when we flew.

 

[Patch]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

Hi, yes it is a problem and they do get damaged frequently. Thier are two possible solutions. One is to tighten all straps and tape down any trailing ones. The other is to use a secondary bag - i tend to use a survival sack (orange heavy duty plastic bag) and tape it shut.

 

[naplesdon]

Went to Galapagos a few years ago with friends and baggage handlers pilfered the caribiners attached to our packs.

I had caribiners attached to my carry-on day pack and the security staff removed them saying they were a safety hazard becuase I might use them as brass knuckles, you can't make this stuff up

 

[pelerine]

I made a simple sack from spinnacker fabric - very strong and very light and thin so it does not add to the weight on my back and hardly takes up any space inside the pack. AND the poles can go in it as well.

And now I think I will take up your idea, t2andreo, with your laundry bag and use my bag as a pack liner. Brillant! Thank you!

 

[Dorpie]

Some Duct Tape and new boxer shorts - and you are Good-to-Go! ;-)

Haha. The airline were insistent that I should send my bag to be repaired until I sent them the picture at which point they agreed that probably wasn't going to work out so well.

 

[mvanert]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

Carry it on the plane with you and store it overheads that’s what I do.

 

[DLJ]

While my hiking poles have never been a problem, either inside the pack or tied on the outside, my problem has been my Swiss Army knife. For a while they allowed small knives, now they don't. I agree with Patch, I put the pack in a trash compactor bag and tie it to make a handle on it. It has worked well.

 

[txpeah]

I have been traveling with a backpack for over a decade and when I need to check the bag (most often on the return flight) I have used gear ties to secure some of the straps. I carry these ties anyway, so they are handy for checking my bag.
There are lots of options but here is one example.

 

[Rikke Visby Wickberg]

A flight protector: Most outdoor / backpack companys make something lile this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B072F8LPGY/?tag=casaivar-21

 

[marilyn van graan]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

The best solution to this is - have your bag wrapped at airport - I have done this for every camino and if you have to change flights then you don't have the hassle of going through security control etc - it is worth the money !!!!

 

[dfox]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

Some airlines, e.g., Air Canada, provide large transparent plastic bags for "enveloping" backpack with hiking poles.

 

[LGY]

I got some off Amazon (an extra dollar or so a bag but I was afraid if we went into the IKEA store we would end up with 144 votive candles, 2 dozen wine glasses, and 5 kg of Swedish Meatballs).
Your shopping trips to Ikea sound remarkably like mine!

I got some off Amazon (an extra dollar or so a bag but I was afraid if we went into the IKEA store we would end up with 144 votive candles, 2 dozen wine glasses, and 5 kg of Swedish Meatballs).

Your shopping trips to Ikea sound remarkably like mine!

 

[bikerkvw]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

I have checked my backpack. I wrap it up in a plastic garbage bag and tie it with a thin nylon line. The scrappy bits are protected and the rope acts as a handle. When I get my destination, I claim my bag, untie the line which also works as my laundry line at albergue, take off the garbage bag and throw it away. When I return from the camino I can always get another garbage bag. I carry a very light daypack or use a shopping or plastic grocery bag for my carry on. I did this when I walked my last Camino and the Via Francigina. It worked great. My pack arrived safe and sound. I try to use a clear plastic bag when I can but any will work.

 

[HedaP]

Going to Milan a couple years back I got to the baggage carousel to see this coming round. I was not a happy camper.
View attachment 39024

Now I always use the rain cover to keep everything well contained.

Oh no! That’s one of my nightmares having once seen it happen to someone else. I never want to see my undies travelling unattended around the luggage conveyor belt.

 

[HedaP]

Some years ago travelled to Tibet via Kathmandu. Met an American on a tour who had travelled via Canada and India and for whatever reason his bag didn’t make it. So that bag followed him to India, then Nepal and then to various locations in Tibet and was finally reunited with him when he got back to the States. He managed travelling through Tibet in shoulder season (think deep snow) with whatever he could buy along the way but he did it tough. Like many others I buy a small case from a charity shop and check my poles and anything else that needs to go in the hold. My pack goes with me on the plane. I dispose of the old case at pickup.

 

[Barry777]

Hi RevBarbara,

Lots of stories, yes?

I will be starting the CF again on May 13 this year. I have all the latest equipment and have enjoyed hiking, fishing and camping all my life. But just recently, I have been looking at going completely another way.

Recently, I discovered a way to builda backpack with a blanket. The next level up is to layer the blanket with a plastic tarp. With a bit of string, a couple of bungee cords and a few feet of webbing, the blanket and tarp can become the backpack, with all belongings safely folded into it before rolling and tying it up. It would not only be a very intelligent way of carrying one's belongings but should also be lighter as the average backpack these days is 2.5 to 3 or more lb. A woll blanket and a space blanket, for instance (tarp with a reflective side), will weigh half the weight of a pack alone.

With something like this, it is easy to carry on alleviating the baggage handling concerns, and make not only for a much more enjoyable trip but a pack worth discussing.

Can you post a link on how to construct it???

 

[WGroleau]

Our packs flew inside $5 laundry bags with duct tape wrapping with some extra tape inside for security to rewrap if inspected.

Don't count on that re-wrapping.

The last time I checked in my laptop, the seventy-liter bag was carefully packed to put the laptop in the center, with the same amount of soft things on all sides. When I opened it at the other end, the first thing I saw was the laptop, right on the very top of everything, and a note from the TSA that they had opened the bag. I'll never check the laptop again. I've gotten several such notes since then, and every time something is broken. I pack neatly and carefully; they make it look like everything was put in by dump truck. So now, I try to guess what will make them want to open it and carry on that thing instead.

 

[SabsP]

I had caribiners attached to my carry-on day pack and the security staff removed them saying they were a safety hazard becuase I might use them as brass knuckles, you can't make this stuff up

Did they throw them away or could you put them inside your pack?

 

[Saint Mike II]

For those who check their packs.....

What are your plans if the pack does not arrive with you? Will it delay the start of your camino?
I would be interested to know if you actually have contingency plans or are you are just crossing your fingers?

Well I usually arrive at least a day ahead of the walk commencing, if I fly into Madrid or Paris then its usually two days ahead. With most competent airlines they can usually find your bag and get it to you in a day or so. If not then both of these cities have the places I can purchase a replacement set. (Another reason for travelling on a full-service airline and having sufficient travel insurance!!!!)

 

[WGroleau]

With most competent airlines they can usually find your bag and get it to you in a day or so.

We used to have a lot of jokes and horror stories about lost and misrouted baggage. But today, most airports have computers telling the handlers were to put it after they scan a bar code.

 

[naplesdon]

Did they throw them away or could you put them inside your pack?

No, they were attached to my carry on at the boarding gate, so whatever their concern was made it impossible to carrying them on board. I did not see them throw them away.

 

[t2andreo]

I had caribiners attached to my carry-on day pack and the security staff removed them saying they were a safety hazard becuase I might use them as brass knuckles, you can't make this stuff up

One carabiner is a nuisance. two or three on one fist ARE a field-expedient set of "brass knuckles..." It can be done...

 

[trecile]

Don't count on that re-wrapping.

The last time I checked in my laptop, the seventy-liter bag was carefully packed to put the laptop in the center, with the same amount of soft things on all sides. When I opened it at the other end, the first thing I saw was the laptop, right on the very top of everything, and a note from the TSA that they had opened the bag. I'll never check the laptop again. I've gotten several such notes since then, and every time something is broken. I pack neatly and carefully; they make it look like everything was put in by dump truck. So now, I try to guess what will make them want to open it and carry on that thing instead.

You should never check a laptop or anything valuable!

 

[MichelleElynHogan]

Can you post a link on how to construct it???

Hi Batty,

I will try to post a video or two in the next couple of months. But here ar the basics.

There are two methods that I know. the first is to have a tarp and blanket, about the same size, laid out flat, tarp on the bottom. Lengthwise, fold into thirds. The option here is to fold outside edges (again lengthwise into the middle. From here, begin placing belongings inside the folds, starting in the middle and working outward to both ends. Keep it as flat as possible.

Once packed, fold far end in about 1 1/2 tro 2 feet toward centre. Then, start rolling other end toward the middle and roll to the other end. There is an option where you can run a rope or a couple of runs of paracord into the roll near the beginning and then later ctrate a sling to carry it, but that can also be done once rolled and I recommend 2 or 3 bungere cords to hold the roll together. Then use paracord or some other rope to create a sling, or 2 slings so it can be carried like any other backpack.

Not enough room to descrtihe other method here so I will cover it on the video.

 

[WGroleau]

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Can you post a link on how to construct it???

This is not what she was talking about, but it is entertaining, nevertheless:
http://briangreen.net/2011/08/making-improvised-backpack.html

 

[Deleted member 30687]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

A simple solution.
My first Camino in 2010 American Airlines put my pack in a clear bag at the check-in desk. They don’t do that anymore. I went to the store and bought a box of clear trash bags. I carry 2 of them to the airport and use one on my way to Madrid and use the second one on the way home. Cheap and easy solution. Iberia puts your pack in a plastic box most of the time but I still use the trash bag in addition because of the straps.

 

[Tomas Joven]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

Backpack should be a carry-on item. I take a small suitcase (cheap one) and put items in it I may not need right away or are quickly replaceable. I also put my walking poles (collapsed) into it (I know, but you can't carry them on). The small suitcase I put through baggage. It allows me to "shrink" my backpack so it fits nicely in any overhead compartment.

 

[Karl Oz]

For what is is worth, I tie-off all loose straps so that nothing is left dangling. A bit of a Gordion knot to unravel at the arrivals hall, but nothing too bad. Perhaps it inhibits opportunistic theft by luggage handlers too.

My pack is very light and I expect I could carry it as cabin luggage, and would love to, but there is one problem: I carry sunscreen in a bottle that exceeds the 100ml size limit. And a half-full bottle of baby shampoo for detergent. You are generally not allowed to carry-on anything with bottles of liquid over the 100ml limit.

Something to consider, anyway.

 

[Karl Oz]

Yes that is possible. However, after several scares with skin cancer I'm quite particular and possessive about my sun-screen!

 

[La Brique Jaune]

Sorry i just erase my reply

 

[Karl Oz]

No need to have done so. It wasn't offensive. I agree with your point about carry-on and freedom, by the way.

 

[stinmd]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

On my last camino, I had to check my backpack with my trekking poles inside. I put it in a Frakta bag - purchased from Ikea for just $4 - and everything worked just fine. The Frakta weighs under 200 g, a small price to pay for peace of mind, no?

http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/90149148/

 

[arch]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

I use a lightweight dry sack large enough to contain my pack with poles broken down to fit inside the pack. Upon arrival I break down the pack and put the dry bag inside as a liner. I find it much better than a pack cover at keeping the contents
dry. https://www.rei.com/product/752522/...1i6AsLzb6OZboP9s1-3D3c5dscfxcjsMaAm3YEALw_wcB

 

[Desertwalk]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

 

[Youren2010]

My plan is
1. Carry on and use a rain cover, I have always done. Recently bought a new piece of gear, so
2. Sea to Summit ultra sil duffel bag, 40L, 80g2am to put the bagpack in. After Camino, use it to put shopping to take home, still can be allowed as carry on, size wise. Very light and sturdy, already used on a trip.

My Black Diamond Zpoles and trekking umbrella were allowed as carry on, fly internationally.

 

[Desertwalk]

Losing my checked baggage after 40 plus years of traveled has only happened twice .
By purchasing additional insurance for my bag(s) at the counter , I have found the airline will tag and handle it more responsibly when additional insured. The cost is minimal compared to having to replace lost baggage .

 

[HikeTall]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

Yes, this can be a problem. All those dangly bits on backpacks can and often do get snagged on conveyor belts. This is one of the main reasons besides convenience that i only travel with carry on sized backpacks now (30-40L). If you absolutely must check your backpack however, a simple light weight packable duffel to protect it is all thats needed. Osprey & many others sell them. Bien Camino!

 

[elleley]

For those who check their packs.....

What are your plans if the pack does not arrive with you? Will it delay the start of your camino?
I would be interested to know if you actually have contingency plans or are you are just crossing your fingers?

Hola!
I have checked my pack twice now and not had problems traveling from the US. I put it in an Osprey Airporter along with my poles, swiss army knife, etc. After I watch it disappear on the belt at check in, I just let go let go let go and trust all will be well, that ALL IS WELL! ( A BIG lesson learned on my pilgrimages....) I also wear my trail shoes on the plane and slip into my Croc slides that I wear evenings and into the shower while I am walking. Do you have a contingency plan for LIFE?????
Ultreia!
elle

 

[StevethePlanner]

Wow – what a long thread – but not long enough! I used the “plastic trash bag” technique on two Caminos and it work well for my 48 L pack. Wrap it before going and take an extra plastic bag (which weighs nothing) and a small 25 ft roll of duct tape for the return trip. If the bag is total lost, my travel insurance will pay for replacements (although a big hassle). A previous comment about not packing hiking boots is a valid point, but I didn’t do that. With traveling on a long plane ride from the U.S. and removing shoes for security, I want to wear my “easy” shoes.

 

[Scott Fraser]

If you decide to check your bag you might consider this product.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EN2BBUI/?tag=casaivar02-20

We used it last year to wrap our packs and then included the roll in a small suitcase which we forwarded to Santiago once we arrived in Spain. That way we could wrap the packs for the return trip. We left the unused part of the roll behind, although if we had thought to drop it off with Ivar others might have been able to use it on their return journeys.

 

[Pam Scott]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

Put the rain cover on back to front and get a couple of straps to secure it. My sack went through with no issued

 

[WGroleau]

If the bag is total lost, my travel insurance will pay for replacements (although a big hassle).

That's what I thought, until I had to make a claim and read it more carefully. Stolen iPad: they pay for replacement up to three hundred dollars and one of the things I have to provide is a copy of the police report. Wasn't a problem to get it, although it was full of errors. They showed me a printout, on which I corrected numerous errors. But after the policeman appeared to input my corrections, the thing he printed out and handed me was the original (and I didn't notice till I was in another city). Another year, I don't even know whether there was such a limit on coverage but the repairs my bicycle needed were definitely more than three hundred. The underwriters demanded a letter from the airline, which I did not have.

 

[Terri fraser]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

We bought laundry bags to put our backpacks in. They are very light and not that much money. I think we bought them at Walmart.

 

[Anthony18]

After flying to a backpacking destination and arriving with my backpack and equipment gone and never recovered, I had to scramble to buy all new gear. NEVER AGAIN Since that time, my backpack always gets taken on-board as carry on luggage.

After flying to a backpacking destination and arriving with my backpack and equipment gone and never recovered, I had to scramble to buy all new gear. NEVER AGAIN Since that time, my backpack always gets taken on-board as carry on luggage.

Dave, I'm curious to know what brand/size backpack do you use that is allowed as a carry on?

 

[Richmond Gardner]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

Put it in a lightweight laundry sack, which you can use to sequester the laundry from clean items in your backpack later!

 

[MichelleElynHogan]

My reasons for checking my backpack are as follows:

1) can’t take trekking poles as carry-on
2) budget airlines do not allow any leeway on the size or weight of carry-on.
3) they also charge for hold baggage, and if I’m going to pay extra to check my poles, I may as well check my pack as well.
4) I need a pack long enough to accommodate my poles.


I don’t think my pack is too big: 33l, expandable to 40l if you stuff all the outside pockets. I don’t expect it to be full, and hopefully not too heavy: all my clothes will be ultra light and quick drying and I’m not going mad with the number of items (2 long-sleeved, 2 short sleeve, 2 trousers, 1micro fleece, rain jacket, hat, buff, gloves, 3x underwear and socks), no books except Brierley and a small notebook, dual-purpose soap rather than different detergents for everything - but it is too tall to go as carry on. That decision is made now, the pack is bought (and is very comfortable).

So, thank you to those who have made practical suggestions. I have wondered about the wrapping service at the airport, but the alternatives are worth exploring too. My pack has a built-in rain cover..... but if that got torn in transit, I then wouldn’t have a rain cover.

I will be wearing my boots on the plane and carrying valuables, medication and Travel documents in an extremely light collapsible bag. I have a night booked in Bayonne because my flight arrives in the evening. I am travelling via Paris, but with a 4 hour connection time, so hopefully all will be well re lost pack. I’ve also only known it once in 30 years as a regular traveller.

Poles on Planes (there has to be a movie in there somewhere), because there is so much drama on this topic with purporters on both sides. Here is my take;

I use poles when hiking / walking. They help to balance me and are there if needed to maintain balance, especially when walking with a pack. When on a trip, I will walk right up to TSA using my poles, which have a rubber tread tip on them. I am asked if I need them to walk, I answer, "yes." I am then allowed to use them to get to the plane, onto and off of the plane. They are collapsible so I break them down before stowing them in the overhead compartment.

In addition, my pack and all my belongings remain with me, also in overhead storage.

This has been done in Toronto, Montreal, Dublin, London, St. John's and Santiago airports. The airlines invoved were WOW Air, RyanAir and Westjet.

I offer this information of my own personal experience. I do not challenge the experiences of others that may go against these reports and am not looking to challenge the validity of those experiences.

To best be prepared for what you can expect, it is wise to consult the TSA Service in your country, or, better, the same group that operates in the departure airport.

 

[Deleted member 67185]

Dave, I'm curious to know what brand/size backpack do you use that is allowed as a carry on?

I've used both the Gorilla Gear Mariposa and the ULA Circuit. Packed, both can be made to fit the required carry-on dimensions for domestic and international flights, and I have never had anyone even give a second glance when I've flown. They both fit easily into the overhead compartments without any struggle at all.

 

[Jeff Crawley]

I too was concerned about the dangly bits mixing it with baggage handling machinery and coming off second best (Qantas advised that they would NOT cover such damage) .

I bought a duffle bag big enough to contain the backpack and sent that as checked luggage without problem. I sent the duffle bag and some spare clothe from SJPP to Santiago through Express Bourricot.

Have seen some posts from people who packed their backpack in a IKEA carry bag (the large blue one with yellow handles and a zip) as checked baggage... Some people carried this bag with them on their Camino in their backpack (maybe 150 gms?) and used it as bed bug barrier when in an albergue.

Or, for the pilgrim who wants to go more upmarket:

IKEA bag or not?

 

[Jeff Crawley]

Hi Batty,

I will try to post a video or two in the next couple of months. But here ar the basics.

There are two methods that I know. the first is to have a tarp and blanket, about the same size, laid out flat, tarp on the bottom. Lengthwise, fold into thirds. The option here is to fold outside edges (again lengthwise into the middle. From here, begin placing belongings inside the folds, starting in the middle and working outward to both ends. Keep it as flat as possible.

Once packed, fold far end in about 1 1/2 tro 2 feet toward centre. Then, start rolling other end toward the middle and roll to the other end. There is an option where you can run a rope or a couple of runs of paracord into the roll near the beginning and then later ctrate a sling to carry it, but that can also be done once rolled and I recommend 2 or 3 bungere cords to hold the roll together. Then use paracord or some other rope to create a sling, or 2 slings so it can be carried like any other backpack.

Not enough room to descrtihe other method here so I will cover it on the video.

Sounds like a hobo or blanket roll a la Crocodile Dundee (see here) - the trouble with these is you have to unroll everything to get to the piece you actually want

 

[Kevin Malinak]

It is my understanding that for Carry-On, the dimensions need to be (DeltaAir) 22" x 14" x 9" (56 x 36 x 23 cm)
For Iberia Air the dimensions are: 56 cm x 45 cm x 25 cm (22" x 17.7" x 9.8")
The length is the problem for my current pack. The internal frame is a little too long.
The other two dimensions are flexible, and could be pressed into the test box.
I will have to check my pack, and I plan to wrap it in disposable plastic bag with packaging tape to support the plastic bag. (I will carry-on important things)
I plan to put a small cut in the plastic bag so I can reach/grab the "handle(s) on my pack.
Eventually, I will replace my current pack with one that has a shorter frame, but will still have to check: Poles, Knives, Liquids, etc, etc...
This will be my first Camino, leaving St Jean PdP on 18 or 19 Mar. I am going to try hiking without poles for a few days to see if I can avoid "Bag-Checking" on future trips. I would love to end up purely Carry-On for future Camino(s).

 

[Kathryn1966]

Osprey make a bag that you put your backpack in and poles and you can lock it and once you arrive you can put your extra clothes in and forward it to Santiago as it is also a spare bag

 

[trecile]

That's what I thought, until I had to make a claim and read it more carefully. Stolen iPad: they pay for replacement up to three hundred dollars and one of the things I have to provide is a copy of the police report. Wasn't a problem to get it, although it was full of errors. They showed me a printout, on which I corrected numerous errors. But after the policeman appeared to input my corrections, the thing he printed out and handed me was the original (and I didn't notice till I was in another city). Another year, I don't even know whether there was such a limit on coverage but the repairs my bicycle needed were definitely more than three hundred. The underwriters demanded a letter from the airline, which I did not have.

I'm sorry that you lost your iPad, but valuables should never be placed in the hold. Neither should prescription medications.

 

[Jeff Crawley]

"It's not lost . . . it's here somewhere sir"

 

[Walton]

A flight protector: Most outdoor / backpack companys make something lile this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B072F8LPGY/?tag=casaivar-21

We used something similar to that Rikke, on our Portugese Lisbon to Santiago de la Compostela Camino last year. It was a Sea to Summit Sea Converter Duffle Bag - Medium (50-70L)

The duffle bags served us very well in the air from Australia to Portugal via Spain and Dubai.

Ours weighs around 350 grams - a bit on the heavy side admittedly but they are lockable.

Apart from protecting our backpacks from airlines and airports, the protectr was useful in other ways.

My wife developed a foot issue towards the end of our Camino and we decided to transport our packs each day for the final 100Kms or so. The protectors were very useful in covering our packs and possibly preventing bedbug infection which might have occurred if our packs were in company with infected packs during transportation.

Additionally, while the duffle bags were waiting for us at Albergues, Pensions etc after transportation, the small lock that we used would have deterred any oportunistic pilferers.

I'd like to reduce the weight though!

We will use them again .... unless we can find something that is lighter which offers the same strength, portability and security.

 

[stevov]

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

I had stuff that was only permissible as hold luggage so I got a very lightweight sports type bag and put it in that (see pic) which worked fine...i did see people however being allowed to put backpacks as is ie with straps etc directly on the check in belt.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

"It's not lost . . . it's here somewhere sir"

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Hey, that's my fushia bag there, next to the pole.

Story: Last flight we were on was 47 hours either in a plane or in an airport. We get home at midnight and a friend is there to pick us up. Within minutes we get a bag. An hour later, even with the help of the baggage claim people checking other buildings we give up for the night. In the morning I get a call from the airline. I hear an irritated tone in the voice asking me "Why didn't you pick up your bag?"

 

[Susan M Fron]

You could also buy an inexpensive, small travel duffel, put the things like the trekking poles, toiletries, sandals etc in it. Enough stuff to make your backpack easily a carry-on. Put a lock on the small duffel and have it as a checked bag. When you get to your destination either ditch the duffel or carry it. Either way, if the duffel gets lost, which is unlikely, you still have your backpack and basic, essential equipment.[/QUOT

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

Maybe I’m worrying about nothing..... but I think of all the loops and strappy bits on the outside of my backpack, and envisage them getting caught in the baggage handling machinery.

I never thought about the straps being a problem, I was concerned with the $90 additional charge to check my
Bag. I am going to carryon my bag and buy poles in sjpdp.
Is this a problem, and if so, what is the solution?

 

[Deleted member 56069]

I had caribiners attached to my carry-on day pack and the security staff removed them saying they were a safety hazard becuase I might use them as brass knuckles, you can't make this stuff up

Well, at least if you are ever in a sketchy area on a Camino, you can protect yourself with your 'Caribiner Knuckles' or maybe your assailment will fall down laughing when he sees them and it will give you time to get away...lol.

 

[Deleted member 56069]

For those who check their packs.....

What are your plans if the pack does not arrive with you? Will it delay the start of your camino?
I would be interested to know if you actually have contingency plans or are you are just crossing your fingers?

I always wear my boots, if my pack ever gets lost, that is why I carry a credit card. Never had any luggage of any sort Camino or otherwise lost in 50 years of travel, so not something I spend a second worrying about ever.