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Have the packing list but, where to put it all?

Discussion in 'Equipment Questions' started by meisterbalogna, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. meisterbalogna

    meisterbalogna New Member

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    Hello all!

    I've got my packing list together but havent seen any posts pertaining to the best way to actually pack your bag. Which things should go at the bottom? Which things did you want to keep handy? I have a Gregory pack with top and side loading, loading into the lid as well as two pockets on the front. There are also two small pockets on the hip belt in front that I planned to keep my phone and camera in. I'd love your feedback!

    Here's my packing list:
    Wearing:
    tank w/ built in bra
    running capri
    hiking socks
    sock liners
    hat
    bandana
    sunglasses

    Clothing:
    stuffsack
    2x Tanks w/ built in bra
    2x mid weight long sleeve smartwool shirts
    1x fleece
    1x nano puff (ultra lightweight) vest
    1x rain jacket
    1x capri running pants
    1x adjustable quickdry pants
    2x hiking socks
    3x coolmax sock liners
    1x flip flops
    1x sarong
    2x underwear

    Sleeping bag
    Sleeping bag liner
    Rain cover

    Wash bag: 
    Sink
    towel
    Toothbrush, 
    Toothpaste, 
    Stick deodorant 
    All in one 
    Leave In conditioner
    Face lotion w/ SPF
    TOILET PAPER
    Sunscreen
    brush
    lipbalm

    First Aid Kit: 
    Diclofenac Gel 
    Compeed 
    Needle & Thread for blisters
    Antiseptic Spray
    Crepe bandage 
    Micropore or elastic adhesive bandage
    plasters
    anti-histamines 
    rehydration drinks
    tweezers and scissors 

    Water bottle 
    earplugs
    safety pins
    head light
    whistle
    dental floss
    duct tape wrapped around a pen
    baggies
    journal
    plastic stopper
    spork
    cup
    shopping bag 
    Camera
    Charger
    Cell phone, charger
    adapter
    Multi tool


    passport neck holder:
    Passport
    Passport card
    Tickets
    phone numbers and addresses
    ATM Card
    Credit Card
    Cash
    copies of all

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  2. falcon269

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  3. meisterbalogna

    meisterbalogna New Member

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    Thanks! Only two months until I leave so of course I'm scrutinizing every single item I'm bringing and how best to cope! Any packing words of wisdom, either item wise or what you found you were pulling out and stuffing back in most often? I start walking May 1 so I'm thinking layers will be the most often used for me.
  4. grayland

    grayland Moderator Staff Member Donating Member

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    Camino Frances (2010);
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    Via de la Plata 2013 (August hot..hot..hot)
    Let me be the first to suggest you have too much extra "stuff".
    What is the total weight of this list including pack?
    When are you going?

    The fleece and nano puff vest have the same function and you should leave the fleece home.
    You should not need 3 tank top shirts (hopefully they are tech quick dry).
    Leave the xtra capri pants at home.
    Why 2 smartwool shirts?

    After a bit of experience of walking the Camino...I am taking (April Le Puy) 2 short sleeve tech T-shirts, 1 long sleeve Tee, nano-puff vest (can be used to sleep in if needed) 1 set of cargo pants (worn). I have a very light pair of workout pants (6 oz) that I wear at night and to walk in if other pants are washed and not dry. I usually only need to zip off and wash the lower legs of the cargo pants.
    I would suggest that you have a lot of other stuff there that may seem "nice to have" but will be much regretted from the first day. You can pick up everything on your list along the way if really needed.
    Others can speak to the rest of your list.
  5. meisterbalogna

    meisterbalogna New Member

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    Thanks for the input on the packing list. I've still got two months to go before leaving and if the only "extras" on my list so far are clothing then I think I'm doing ok! I'll be whittling it all down in the coming months but feel pretty solid in my choices. I may drop one of the smartwool shirts (had two on the list b/c not sure how cold/how often would need them) and one of the tanks (yes everything is quik dry). I'll be leaving the fleece and 2nd pair of capris but would welcome any other suggestions. Thanks again!
  6. falcon269

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    Take a sink plug instead. Some find the flat kind preferable to a stopper because it will cover a variety of sink drains. The plugs have disappeared on a majority of the laundry sinks...
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    The things I try and keep handy are: camera, phone, toilet paper (and rubbish bag!), water and change for bar snacks etc. I try to make sure I can access all these without taking my pack off...obviously if I need to find a bush I do take my pack off :wink: ...but the toilet paper also comes in handy for nose blowing, etc.
    Sandra :arrow:
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    methodist.pilgrim.98 R.I.P 2013

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    I always have soap and toilet paper in an easy place to get to; you don't want to be rummaging through a rucksack with "soiled" hands. Bars often do not have these in their loos - check before going!

    Rucksack weight: the conventional wisdom is 10% of body weight max but no more than 8kg. The less you carry the better.

    The heavier stuff at the bottom, but rain gear should always be very easy to reach as showers seem to come on quickly when you are walking.

    You do not need a sleeping bag liner as well as a sleeping bag. Once you get to mid May you might get away with just a liner and not take a bag at all; you might have to sleep in your clothes when it is very cold, but it saves weight. I have often gone to bed with the clean clothes that I wear while walking the next day.

    Make sure that the batteries in your headlight are new when setting out. You dont want to be carrying spares or have your batteries fail en route.
  9. dougfitz

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    I cannot find a current accurate source for this so-called conventional wisdom of 10%, and I worry that in trying to achieve that people increase their risk. The CSJ site currently advises 10-15% of body weight, and 15% of body weight is achievable with a a food bag and 1li of water, a warm middle layer, and a change of clothes.

    I have found one packing list that goes close to 10% when I use my gear, and that has no spare clothing, only a change of underwear, no warm gloves or beanie, etc, etc. I would think this is only a safe option around summer. For example, I don't think it has the warm clothing layers needed for early spring, when I walked the Camino Frances in 2010.

    The US classic walking guide, The Complete Walker (I have the 4th edition) suggests a target of 20-25% of body weight from the skin out with a maximum of 30%. It acknowledges that the weight of the gear that one wears is as important as what is carried. Depending on which boots I am wearing and when I am carrying trekking poles, that could be close to 3kg.

    Having done some modelling of both based on gear that I own and using the CSJ recommended packing list. The CSJ 15% target would allow me to carry about 2kg of food and water and I could still achieve the target. The Complete Walker 20% FSO target would allow me to carry just over 2.5kg of food and water. So the weight targets are very similar, but the Complete Walker allows one to think about other trade-offs like lighter boots or shoes, etc.

    Neither would allow me to carry the 2-3 li of water that I normally carry when I am trekking, so I know that I am over the target weight whatever I do.

    Regards,
  10. meisterbalogna

    meisterbalogna New Member

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    Doug, can you give me the link to the CSJ site? I don't think I've been on it and it seems like a great resource.

    I weighed my pack out today and it's right at 10% of my body weight so if I go by the 15% I should be fine with food and water and still be less than 8kg.
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    Kitsambler Jakobsweg Junkie

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    To Answer the OP's question, here is where I put things:
    Trouser pocket (front right): iphone. (front left) wallet with one-LED flashlight attached
    Hipbelt pocket (right): energy bar, lip balm, Altoids tin (left) hand sanitizer
    Pack lid: sunglasses, lunch, toilet paper, poncho, gaiters, Kindle, picnic utensils
    Pack under-lid: travel papers, credential
    Water bladder pocket: bladder, security papers
    Pack: (bottom layer) sleeping bag, sleeping sack
    (layer #2) clothing bag
    (layer #3) first aid kit, foot care kit, laundry kit
    (top layer) toilet kit, grocery kit
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    Try http://www.csj.org.uk/planning.htm#take

    I will add that keeping overall weight down is a key objective whatever guide one might use, and to borrow someone else's turn of phrase, to walk far, or fast, walk light. My concern is that needs to be balanced against having the gear one might reasonably expect to need for the climate and terrain to walk in reasonable safety.

    Regards,
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    No. The heavier stuff should be close to your mid-back or higher, so that it does not get leverage to bend you backward. The bottom of the pack should be something light like your sleeping bag.
  14. Sojourner47

    Sojourner47 Guest

    Well, I've said all this before, but will go one more time...
    For the life of me I cannot see what on earth you guys are carrying that make you fill 40/50/60 litre packs with 8,10 or more kilos weight.
    I've just done a full packing -35 litre LoweAlpine Airzone pack, with hooped bivi bag,sleeping bag, inflatable mat,spare clothes plus all the other washing kit, first aid stuff blahblahblah, plus 1 litre water and about 500grms trail snacks, and it comes out at 6.4kgs all up.If I were staying in albergues/hostals, rather than wild camping, total weight would be about half that.
    But then, as I've also said, you're carrying it all, not me, thank goodness.... :D
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    falcon269 No commercial interests Donating Member

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    Here in ounces is my 7.6 kg:

    nylon sleep sack 5.8
    Tyvek sheet 5.85
    sit ground cloth 2.1
    glasses case 1.8
    camera 9.95
    camera charger 3.95
    extra chip
    cell phone & SIM 3.35
    cell phone charger 2.45
    outlet converter 0.35
    WigWam socks 6.5
    sock liner 4
    underpants 5
    T-shirt 12.5
    convertible pants 12.3
    fleece 9
    ls shirt 8
    ss shirt - Lowe 6
    sleep shorts 2.9
    sleep shirt 3.5
    silk underwear 4
    GoLite wind shirt 3
    Brierley book/maps 3.55
    bandana 3.6
    handkerchief 1
    SportSlick 2.5
    towel - bath 8
    towel - hand 2.3
    Crocs 8.9
    soap and dish 4.15
    toothbrush 0.75
    tooth paste 0.75
    dental floss
    razor 1
    ear plugs 1
    sunblock 1.45
    Altus poncho 16
    cup - folding 2.15
    K,F,S - titanium 1.1
    Swiss Army knife 3
    clothes line 1.5
    credencial 0.6
    passport 0.75
    water bottle 3
    flashlight 0.7
    shower dry bag 2.8
    TP 2.3
    camp soap 2.05
    gloves 3.65
    wool hat 2.3
    Aarn pack 54
    airline cover 2.35

    First aid kit
    Compeed 1
    bandaid
    gauze
    nail clipper 1
    bleach 1.25
    alcohol 1.7
    ibuprofen 1
    whistle 2
    nose spray 3

    268.3 oz.

    No food or water yet.
  16. Sojourner47

    Sojourner47 Guest

    For what it's worth, here is the full list:
    (packed in dry bags of various sizes)

    LoweAlpine Airzone 35L pack - 1100grms
    Bag 1: Bivi tent,poles,pegs - 620grms
    Bag 2: Sleeping bag, inflatable pillow - 680grms
    Bag 3: Baselayer top and underpants, Long sleeved T and pants,2 pairs inner socks,1 pair outer
    socks,buff, 2 x handkerchiefs - 740grms
    Bag 4: Roll TP, wet wipes, antibacterial hand gel, plastic bags, plastic gloves - 310 grms
    Bag 5: Elastoplasts, compeed, savlon, antihistamine cream, neurofen, water sterilising tabs,safety pins,needle,dental floss, - all carried in small plastic pot which doubles as drinking cup, with duct tape and elastic bands around outside. Plus scissors, mini torch,prescription sunglasses (also for emergency wear if main specs get damaged),sink disc,earplugs string, scallop shell.-560grms
    Bag 6: 2x muslin squares for towels, soap, toothbrush and paste,facecloth- 140grms
    Lightweight raingear top, trowel, inflatable mat,hat - 710grms
    2 x 500mls water - 1040grms
    Trail snacks: 500grms
    Plus bum bag (not counted in total weight): camera, ipod shuffle,charger,mobile phone,SA knife,documents,guidebook,notebook, pen,pencil.
    Passport,credit cards and bulk of cash in neck pouch under shirt.
    Plus pair of super-dooper luxury screw together homemade bamboo trekking poles,with spare camera batteries in hollow top sections :D
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