Mana di Castanja
Castanja di Mana
- Time of past OR future Camino
- Frances 2018
Lebaniego / Picos / 2022
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If I see them, I promise to bin them, so as not to encourage others to do anything so stupid.At Altapuerta i left my old boots. If Anyone sees them. Please make a picture So ik know its stil there..
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I have binned a dozen so far in about that many years! Some shirts, socks, jackets, and packs, too.I promise to bin them,
My nice, North Face brand fleece pullover fell off the back of my pack on one Camino. I did not know it was missing until hours later. It was a sort of olive color. I hope someone is enjoying it, lol. It was too nice to be binned.I have binned a dozen so far in about that many years! Some shirts, socks, jackets, and packs, too.
Some may find it stupid. But i see a lot of garbage round the trail. Im sure someday my shoes are gone. I dont throw or burn them. They just standing there. Sorry if i offended Some people. But they worn off and i carried them for three days. Some pelgrim gave me that advice So i Loose weight. Thats Why i leave it there.
Hi Chris .Some may find it stupid. But i see a lot of garbage round the trail. Im sure someday my shoes are gone. I dont throw or burn them. They just standing there. Sorry if i offended Some people. But they worn off and i carried them for three days. Some pelgrim gave me that advice So i Loose weight. Thats Why i leave it there.
Gently pilgrims please, and thank you to those who have tried to understand or express empathy with the OP. Veterans, Ditch Pigs, and those for whom a balsa descarga is part of their Camino kit are of course entitled to express their righteous rage. But the OP was an innocent abroad, and he misses his good friends that got him that far if no further. Perhaps a lesson to us all to listen less to the opinions of those we pass along the Way and look closer to our hearts and strive to do that which is right rather than fashionable or expedient.
Picking unspeakable shite out of various locations on my own ditch pig ventures may have coloured my vision but it hasn't obscured my first view of that bewildering world 'the Camino'.
Some may find it stupid. But i see a lot of garbage round the trail. Im sure someday my shoes are gone. I dont throw or burn them. They just standing there. Sorry if i offended Some people. But they worn off and i carried them for three days. Some pelgrim gave me that advice So i Loose weight. Thats Why i leave it there.
Out of curiosity, how many discarded boots would you find when cleaning up?@Albertagirl I meant no criticism of you or anyone else, gentle or fierce. And thank you for being a 'ditch pig', grumpy ditch pigs still wear their badge with pride :0)
In addition to the complaints about litter, I'd like to add my disapproval of the many pilgrims who collectively many square meters meters of a farmer's crops to make their caminos a mere fifty paces shorter at a corner in Navarra. And thosee who stole a few dozen distance markers in Galicia.
Not as many boots as soiled clothing, piles of human manure behind rest shelters and spent cans and bottles. It is truly disgusting to dig up the crap behind the shelter at Alto Mostelares just after the climb from Castrojeriz and some of other rest stops in the Meseta.
Only the Juntas have the solution to this problem. They need to position and maintain portable toilets along the way. If they can plant trees (and let most of them die), they can provide minimum toilet facilities. The ten leave-no-trace Members on the Forum will not convince the 132,478 Spanish pilgrims last year to carry their feces to distant disposal facilities!It is truly disgusting to dig up the crap
On all the days I have been on the Camino, and that is over 150, I never had to shat outdoors, only piss, but even if I ever did shat outdoors no way would I ever carry a turd in my pocket (is that a turd in your pocket or are you happy to see me? ) for even 1/2 a kilometre. I have to draw the line there. I would just do what I have always done and that's bury it. Always did that on wilderness backpack trips and in the army whilst in the field.Only the Juntas have the solution to this problem. They need to position and maintain portable toilets along the way. If they can plant trees (and let most of them die), they can provide minimum toilet facilities. The ten leave-no-trace Members on the Forum will not convince the 132,478 Spanish pilgrims last year to carry their feces to distant disposal facilities!
Only the Juntas have the solution to this problem. They need to position and maintain portable toilets along the way. If they can plant trees (and let most of them die), they can provide minimum toilet facilities. The ten leave-no-trace Members on the Forum will not convince the 132,478 Spanish pilgrims last year to carry their feces to distant disposal facilities!
I've never owned dogs in a city environment where they needed to be walked in a public space, and I had to carry around their shat in a small bag, ha ha. Not knocking it, but just never done it. Always had dogs out in the country. No walks needed.Why not carry poop bags, the kind you find in pet stores? When in civilization and I am walking my dogs, I always use them and carry their contents to the next trash can. Strategically places bag dispensers would be cheaper than Porta Potties. Have not yet walked the Camino (I am up for late Sept. thruOct), itjyst makes common sense to clean up after yourself.
On all the days I have been on the Camino, and that is over 150, I never had to shat outdoors, only piss, but even if I ever did shat outdoors no way would I ever carry a turd in my pocket (is that a turd in your pocket or are you happy to see me? ) for even 1/2 a kilometre. I have to draw the line there. I would just do what I have always done and that's bury it. Always did that on wilderness backpack trips and in the army whilst in the field.
I do agree it is rude and inexcusable to simply leave "it" on the ground and honestly I do not understand that behavior. I know somebody reading this had done that on the Camino as well as just plain littering, graffiti defacing, stealing kilometre markers, bag rustling at 5:00 am, gear on the floor strewn about etc. I know they'd never respond to this post, but I'm curious as to why? Why do it?
Unfortunately and for the most part, all of this is preaching to the choir. Dealing with the litter issue, responsible defecation (for lack of a better term) and helping to keep the Camino clean generally is better dealt with before the Pilgrim reaches the Camino (or anywhere else). How do we reach them and educate them about their responsibilities prior to their departure? Forums like this one are great but, how many future Pilgrims access it? For the sponsor and for those of us that care, this seems like a problem that can be solved or, at least mitigated. Thoughts? Ideas?
"this footwear served me well as the fundamental article that allowed me to walk this far. I don't have the heart to throw them in the bin."
I marveled at (and photographed) a pair of boots set on a marker that were completely covered with living moss
Maybe the only solution is to hit the pilgrim where it really hurts - his pocket book. Require a sizable deposit (say $800 - $1000) when entering the trail, and then give back a refund (maybe $20) every time a poop bag is turned in at an albergue. A quick DNA test will confirm that the sample belongs to the owner and not some cow or horse. Monies left over (due to constipation or leaving the trail early because of injuries) go to support the organized Ditch Pig cleanups.
That's a rather unrealistic solution, and I do assume you are being facetious.Maybe the only solution is to hit the pilgrim where it really hurts - his pocket book. Require a sizable deposit (say $800 - $1000) when entering the trail, and then give back a refund (maybe $20) every time a poop bag is turned in at an albergue. A quick DNA test will confirm that the sample belongs to the owner and not some cow or horse. Monies left over (due to constipation, or leaving the trail early because of injuries) go to support the organized Ditch Pig cleanups.
......Maybe the only solution is to hit the pilgrim where it really hurts - his pocket book. Require a sizable deposit (say $800 - $1000) when entering the trail, and then give back a refund (maybe $20) every time a poop bag is turned in at an albergue. A quick DNA test will confirm that the sample belongs to the owner and not some cow or horse. Monies left over (due to constipation, or leaving the trail early because of injuries) go to support the organized Ditch Pig cleanups.
Sometimes I've felt the same way about material objects. But you either have to have the heart to bin them, or you have to have the heart to carry them. Otherwise you might be seen as heartless.
I don't think posters or education will do much. We have the choir already doing the "right thing." There is likely a small portion of the non-choir who will realize the error of their ways and convert to the choir.
I expect the majority of the non-choir will stay non-choir. Nobody I know can see the toilet paper scattered on the trail and think "this is fine, this is OK." They already know, they are already educated that this isn't the right thing to do. Yet they do it.
Maybe the only solution is to hit the pilgrim where it really hurts - his pocket book. Require a sizable deposit (say $800 - $1000) when entering the trail, and then give back a refund (maybe $20) every time a poop bag is turned in at an albergue. A quick DNA test will confirm that the sample belongs to the owner and not some cow or horse. Monies left over (due to constipation, or leaving the trail early because of injuries) go to support the organized Ditch Pig cleanups.
Chris 66- Pleae , nothing to be sorry about. I understand. Those boots were sacred!Sorry
Right! It’s not so hard to find a bin for your garbage.Leaving boots aside the trail or on a stoop is just a ill considered statement that is regretted later. Stack some pebbles if you mustBut Chris, my shoes were also worn on my first camino and I bought a new pair. I BINNED mine. Of course they meant a lot to me but since I wasn't prepared to carry them home, I disposed of them.....
Gateway graffiti! "I was here." AnonStack some pebbles if you must
This forum can't educate them because they don't know it exists. And if even five percent of the pilgrims were to find it and register, Ivar's provider would raise the prices till he had to close down. And if he didn't close down and the site was able to handle the load, it would become as valuable as Facebook, i.e., NOT.This forum tries to help educate them.
Are you serious ???Sometimes I've felt the same way about material objects. But you either have to have the heart to bin them, or you have to have the heart to carry them. Otherwise you might be seen as heartless.
I don't think posters or education will do much. We have the choir already doing the "right thing." There is likely a small portion of the non-choir who will realize the error of their ways and convert to the choir.
I expect the majority of the non-choir will stay non-choir. Nobody I know can see the toilet paper scattered on the trail and think "this is fine, this is OK." They already know, they are already educated that this isn't the right thing to do. Yet they do it.
Maybe the only solution is to hit the pilgrim where it really hurts - his pocket book. Require a sizable deposit (say $800 - $1000) when entering the trail, and then give back a refund (maybe $20) every time a poop bag is turned in at an albergue. A quick DNA test will confirm that the sample belongs to the owner and not some cow or horse. Monies left over (due to constipation, or leaving the trail early because of injuries) go to support the organized Ditch Pig cleanups.
Maybe we need more of these signs, spotted near Samos.
Really, people need to be aware it's not just about them. Leave no trace doesn't mean you have to carry it out, BURY IT. Keep our space clean.On all the days I have been on the Camino, and that is over 150, I never had to shat outdoors, only piss, but even if I ever did shat outdoors no way would I ever carry a turd in my pocket (is that a turd in your pocket or are you happy to see me? ) for even 1/2 a kilometre. I have to draw the line there. I would just do what I have always done and that's bury it. Always did that on wilderness backpack trips and in the army whilst in the field.
I do agree it is rude and inexcusable to simply leave "it" on the ground and honestly I do not understand that behavior. I know somebody reading this had done that on the Camino as well as just plain littering, graffiti defacing, stealing kilometre markers, bag rustling at 5:00 am, gear on the floor strewn about etc. I know they'd never respond to this post, but I'm curious as to why? Why do it?
Why can't people shuffle cards?