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Come on, @amorfati1 and @Ahhhs, you cannot seriously believe that pilgrims squat for any other reason than dire emergency! In fact it is a disgrace that pilgrims are not given a decent alternative to the humilation of «au nature».it's a sad plight when the "obvious" has to be spelled out...
in my observation/experience i concluded that the ones who lacked care, consideration and conscientiousness on the camino were most likely the same who lacked those attributes 'back home'. - and most likely won't be reading forums that encourage said care, consideration and conscientiousness while traveling across far distance.
"Maybe that's what some pilgrims lack: a little bit of care and conscientiousness. But there's no way we can put a toilet every two miles along the route." quoted in the article ...
How about taking a personal garden trough. I'm used to using this for a cat hole and pack out t-paper on back country camping trips. Just purchased a u-dig-it small collapsible digging tool and reading How to Sh-- in the Woods. TMI - I'm pretty regular in the early morning. Have wondered about how going through 6 or 7 time zones effects bio-rhythm and how pilgrims handle this issue- take off in am only after certain bodily functions? eating low fiber? Lomotil?
OK, whariwharangi, you had 1 occurrence, I had maybe 4 or 5, lets take an average of 3 per pilgrim, that's about 660'000 «bangs» a year and over a distance of 800 km, pretty sh..y math.I did. Then I went through my pack and got rid of items that weren't being used. During 50 days on the camino I had to use the non-existent facilites once ... So carrying a spade is not bang for the buck.
How about taking a personal garden trough. I'm used to using this for a cat hole and pack out t-paper on back country camping trips. Just purchased a u-dig-it small collapsible digging tool and reading How to Sh-- in the Woods. TMI - I'm pretty regular in the early morning. Have wondered about how going through 6 or 7 time zones effects bio-rhythm and how pilgrims handle this issue- take off in am only after certain bodily functions? eating low fiber? Lomotil?
I did. Then I went through my pack and got rid of items that weren't being used. During 50 days on the camino I had to use the non-existent facilites once ... So carrying a spade is not bang for the buck.
It's not what I "believe" that i wrote about, but: "..in my observation/experience..." ...on the camino, and as well as while living in a small, gorgeous, very popular village (in CH) that was 'flooded' by visitors/tourists. we, as people who lived there, were appalled at what visitors/tourists left behind during their ongoing episodes of mind- and/or care-lessness.Come on, @amorfati1 and @Ahhhs, you cannot seriously believe that pilgrims squat for any other reason than dire emergency! In fact it is a disgrace that pilgrims are not given a decent alternative to the humilation of «au nature».
I have given my opinion on the subject a while ago:
Spain, the provinces and communes along the «UNESCO's World Heritage Site» should feel responsible to install facilities; these can vary from very simple basic sanitary bag dispensers (1) commonly used for dog-droppings to portable cabins (2) and in some strategic spots with mobile toilets (3). The cost should be charged to the peregrinos by ways of a "Infrastructure-tax" collected when issuing the credencial (another certification sello). With a quarter million peregrinos a year, the individual tax cannot be that much and the logistics will create jobs.
And a word to the ladies: Most of the tissue paper along the camino is dropped by you, it's a fact and not gender discriminative! Please collect and dispose of it responsibly!
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Just wanted to point out some of the Authorities are not only aware of the problem, but actually doing something about it. Last year along the Le Puy route there were brand new composting toliets worked by a foot pump. Very environmental, very clean, and placed far from any regular facilities. I have found nothing as nice or sensible in U.S. parks.It's not what I "believe" that i wrote about, but: "..in my observation/experience..." ...on the camino, and as well as while living in a small, gorgeous, very popular village (in CH) that was 'flooded' by visitors/tourists. we, as people who lived there, were appalled at what visitors/tourists left behind during their ongoing episodes of mind- and/or care-lessness.
"communes along the «UNESCO's World Heritage Site» should feel responsible to install facilities" ... --- we installed and provided facilities alright, but we are unable to install common-sense.
and that's what is required here/there.
I dare say that more than 'communes along the «UNESCO's World Heritage Site» should feel responsible to install facilities' ... I as a visitor/pilgrim/tourist should feel responsible to have 'commons sense and courtesy' installed in my actions and behaviour.
You are absolutely right and we don't have an argument . My point, respectfully-, is that the honor of having a UNESCO's World Heritage Site also bears some burden (of merely organizing and charging the waste producers). And this particular thread is about calls of nature that are beyond control; daily walks of 20-30km over 800km happen to enhance bowel movement. The sheer and ever increasing number of pilgrims merit consideration in regards to this unappetizing matter.It's not what I "believe" that i wrote about, but: "..in my observation/experience..." ...on the camino, and as well as while living in a small, gorgeous, very popular village (in CH) that was 'flooded' by visitors/tourists. we, as people who lived there, were appalled at what visitors/tourists left behind during their ongoing episodes of mind- and/or care-lessness.
"communes along the «UNESCO's World Heritage Site» should feel responsible to install facilities" ... --- we installed and provided facilities alright, but we are unable to install common-sense.
and that's what is required here/there.
I dare say that more than 'communes along the «UNESCO's World Heritage Site» should feel responsible to install facilities' ... I as a visitor/pilgrim/tourist should feel responsible to have 'commons sense and courtesy' installed in my actions and behaviour.
Exactly.If ya gonna drop a log then, try to dig a hole for it and the paper first of all, bury the beast !
If there was only bush all along the way ...... problem is ........ there isn't.For 1000 years the pilgrims, doing there .... in the bush!!
Firstly, no one would pay! Then secondly, the trash accumulation around said pay toilet would be akin to what one sees at an overfilled dumpster because everyone would unfortunately assume "someone" is going to show up to take care of the site. Just look after your own .......!How about portable pay toilets every 5km in rural stretches?
But maybe it was a good "movement." I couldn't resist the play on words, sorry!When walking out of Burgos, I thought that I would find a café along the road. Alas, not so! – Walking down that long avenue along the Universities on one side and a walled park on the other side, I came in dire need (only a # 1). I even thought of invading one of the university buildings. But then lo and behold, along the avenue there was a toilet shed! – Problem: coin operated. So I had to accost a Spanish gentleman asking to change into coins. What a relief!
However, the next morning when I started walking very early from a hostal, I had a sudden severe attack of stomach cramps where I knew I would need to go there and then … - and immediately! (first and only time on my camino). I was fortunate there was a ditch beside the path – and absolutely no one in sight.
Certainly not my best moment …
annelise
Firstly, most would pay - I'm thinking it would be a modest fee. Secondly, the idea is that pay toilets would compensate the maintenance of the facility. It would be much more pleasant than the 'nuisance ground' behind those massive straw blocks along the Way in autumn.Firstly, no one would pay! Then secondly, the trash accumulation around said pay toilet would be akin to what one sees at an overfilled dumpster because everyone would unfortunately assume "someone" is going to show up to take care of the site. Just look after your own .......!
I would pay.Firstly, no one would pay!
Plan your day (as far as possible); carry a small digging tool - (most weigh less than 500 gm); when you need to go - yes get as far of the trail as possible, dig a hole and then cover up. As for what to do with the paper - if the hole is large enough and its safe to do so - burn it.
Must say that took me by surprise. Completely out of the blue .... And so early in the morning!You are all talking crap
Must say that took me by surprise. Completely out of the blue .... And so early in the morning!